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accepted that young is the fittest of the 3 FOR NOW however if all 3 are fit later in d season I would give d edge to nani.
Young just doesn't take on the full back enough. whenever he is on d left flank he just cuts d ball back onto his right foot and plays an inswinger that is nodded away by d defence 90 % of the time. maybe that's y moyes tried him on d right flank in preseason.
As for Valencia years ago I was arguing with some peeps on this forum that his utter inability to use his left leg to do more than just stand will limit his play at United. a player can hide his limitations in a backwater like Wigan but in the limelight of places like Manchester United opponents will study u and exploit ur weaknesses

elampiro: Always look at current form and not past glory.

who said I was talking about past glory? is it young or Valencia that have current form? I said a FIT nani. i didn't say nani of 5yrs ago or 3 yrs ago or nani's grandfather. if nani is physically fit today I will take him ahead of young or valencia

elampiro: I am yet to be convinced about this Kagawa. Xailor is so sure this guy will be great, but to me he doesn't even show sign. JS Park was a better player. United needed to keep the brand promotion in Asia. Look at what Hazard is doing in Chelsea.

Anyway, I will get to see him more when league starts. He is skillful, but lacking energy, speed and force.

u have a point. kagawa struggled to cope with d physicality of d English game and that has affected his confidence IMO.
He needs to bulk up and ask chicharito how he adapted to d EPL esp in terms of shielding the ball and holding off opponents

elampiro: Can you really vouch for Nani now? Young might be the preferred..

I can vouch for a FIT nani offering more in terms of attacking threat than either young or valencia

elampiro: I have watched all the preseason matches, sometimes I repeated the matches two more times. For the benefit of this thread let people be objective. Anderson and Cleverly combination is not working without Carrick playing. That is very obvious.

Yokohama 3 United 2

Team: De Gea, Fabio, Jones, Evans, Evra, Anderson, Cleverley, Lingard, Zaha, Januzaj, van Persie.
Subs: Amos, Rafael, Smalling, Buttner, Keane, Giggs, Young, Kagawa, Welbeck.
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That was a strong team. In all the three times these two guys have played our midfield we failed woefully.

there is no reason to rehash the ando-cleverly argument. while most of his believe that the combo is not good enough to be our mainstay there are a few who believe that they are better than gerson-clodoaldo

I am now hearing rumours of Modric and Fellaini. These ogas at d United top are trying to turn us to Arsenal fans a.k.a watch out for part 2!
abeg pls sign someone quick quick without fuss or rumour and without giving hourly updates (yes Gollum I am talking to u)
I have always liked Modric I am just not sure that Ancelotti wlll give him up just like that

from what we are seeing Zaha might be part of the strongest 11. I don't see "one way" Valencia or "cutback and inswinger" Young getting regular playing time ahead of him.if we have those guys as subs we can hope for zaha and a fit Nani to start

most comments here are not about the match in isolation but in the context of the whole preseason.
there hasn't been any convincing 90minutes of play put together and several players are not showing the quality we expect from them. added to this are d comical and so far failed attempts to improve our papier mache midfield.

Bimfo: Chairman, na CHELSEA player be that nau.. Wetin u dey talk??

make una bring 40million plus Oscar or 50 million plus Josh Mcheachran

De Gea

Rafael Vidic Evans Evra

Carrick____Anderson
Zaha_________________Kagawa
_________Januzaj
______RVP

preferred line up against Wigan. Smalling,Jones,Cleverly,Nani,Welbeck and Rooney on the bench

Ogbeche77: Which kind useless combo, those 2 dudes are Wigan standard jare.. It gonna be a long season with this current squad

bros I feel ur pain but e no bad reach dt level na. ando-tomC are better than mcarthy-mcarthur na

elampiro: I think Zaha will bench Valencia. I have to watch Nani again. At every time with ball, Zaha has about three options. He doesn't get locked in.

Carrick is such a good player for us.

I agree with u on this.no reason why zaha cant go into d 1st 11 he is more dynamic and balanced than Valencia.

dat midfield porous like papier mache

another thing,maybe we should ask abt kondogbia ABI dat one sef go reject us?

bone talk and harmony januzaj has SERIOUS talent!

Purist: Cleverly substituted. I guess it's fair to say that Anderson-Cleverley 2 man midfield finally failed today. And woefully too.

u too bad but watch the members of the Ando-TomC party will come up with an inventive new excuse! they proclaim their combo as if there has ever been a 2 man midfield combo that did not chop akpako in football after playing for a considerable length of time

akpako season possibly ahead.
if moyes doesn't get his act together there is a possibility of missing out on champs league football next season I tell u. when the best points of our preseason are the performances of untested and callow boys like adnan and zaha then there is cause for concern. then u factor in our shambolic moves for a midfielder which would have been comical if it wasn't so sad.
since united knew they wanted fab they should have bid much earlier in the window BEFORE thiago left,cos I couldn't see how barca would let both of them go in d same window. 1) barca would hav bin more willing to let him go and 2)if it had failed we would hv had ample time to make bids on other players who were still on d market. these late night rejections no b am at all.

pls anybody with quality links to the match?

dademola was right dis una argument no sweet joo!
u guys should argue on who was the better playmaker between haruna "ge won lege sere" ilerika and Austin "jayjay" okocha.
NOW that's worth pages of this thread and DK's bowl of popcorn

elampiro: Rooney Shirt Printing is most popular in 20 years of Premier League



In a report appearing on the official Barclays Premier League website, it was announced that in the 20 years of Premier League football, the most popular player name printed on football shirts has been that of Wayne Rooney by a large margin. The shirts with Rooney printing started being produced in 2002 when the English forward made his debut with Everton, but their demand soared when he moved to Manchester United in the summer of 2004, and when Ruud van Nistelrooy vacated the number 10 jersey in 2007.

The data regarding shirt sales comes from Sporting iD, which has developed the technology behind the replica shirts of the Premier League since 1993. Rooney’s name came ahead of those of Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard, Chelsea striker Fernando Torres (counting also when he was at Liverpool), ex-Manchester United star Cristiano Ronaldo, and Chelsea midfielder Frank Lampard. The market for the Premier League shirts has been expanding year after year, with the demand for shirt printing following suit. The popularity of Wayne Rooney is showing no signs of diminishing as the player is breaking record after record to write his name in the all-time stars list of Manchester United.
http://www.football-shirts.co.uk/fans/rooney-shirt-printing-is-most-popular-in-20-years-of-premier-league_15388

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Rooney is not just the most popular shirt sale, but the most popular by a large margin since 1993, the highest in Premier League history. I have told myself not to involve in endless arguments. This shows the collation dated back to 1993. Shearer, Henry, Giggs, Cantona, Beckham,Lampard, etc all played in the period used and Rooney came on top.

LOL

he just turned 29 same age RVP was when we bought him.having said that I think the rumour is a figment of a very bored journalist's imagination

coogar: it did not take myhill 720 minutes to get a clean sheet, that's just wrong. if keepers with high minutes are otondos, how did van der sar cop the highest minute of clean sheet keeping in 08/09 with about 1300+ minutes without conceding?

. Naa y r u going to van der saar? Use d formula u used for de gea and cech for all d other keepers ON THIS list.its obvious d better keepers hv lower minutes per clean sheat.minutes per goal conceded(van der saar's stat u just used) is different from minutes per clean sheet.pure logic

coogar: you cannot apply the direct proportion because they had one clean sheet in all the minutes they played. myhill had one clean sheet in only 90 minutes of the 720 minutes played.

don't be confused to think he did not concede at all in the 720 minutes he played. if he did not concede, he should have 8 clean sheets, instead of the one they all have in their columns. the direct proportion will not work here.

it is mathematics like u said but it is also logic.I never said myhill did not concede in 720mins.its obvious u don't understand d stat.d minutes per clean sheet stat shows that it took myhill 720mins to get a clean shet (not dat he didn't concede a goal in 720mins). Forget myhill,calculate d minutes per clean sheet for everybody on d list and u will see dat d top keepers have low figures while d otondos have high figures meaning it takes them(d otondos) longer to get clean sheets

U divided cech nd de gea's total minutes played by their total clean sheets to get their minutes per clean sheet at abt 228 and 229 respectively.and u claimed because de gea at 229 was higher than cech at 228 that mean de gea with d higher number was better.now do the same thing for d rest of d keepers esp the otondo ones like myhill,tremmel. And rob green

u r even more confused! divide myhills minutes played by his number of clean sheets to get his minutes per clean sheet.exactly d way u divided for cech and de gea .wat do u come up with? Now do the same for robert green and al habsi. It should be clear even to u by now.

Lol u r so disingenuous! Ur point was the higher d minutes per clean sheet d better d keeper hence de gea better than cech while my point is the lower d minutes per clean sheet d better d keeper.so from your table calculate the minutes per clean sheet of boaz myhill and robert green and compare it to that of cech and de gea

Fabville: You are the one getting it wrong. There is nothing wrong in what he has computed up there. The longer the minutes per clean sheet the better.

If a goalkeeper jeeps a clean sheet for 120 mins and another keeps for 130 mins. Which is better? It is obviuos that it is the one that keeps it for 130 mins.

u r d one getting it way wrong.pls study d stats table given.it is not minutes of clean sheet but minutes per clean sheet. There is a difference.it is not how many minutes of clean sheet d keeper has that is meant here but How many minutes a keeper has to keep before he gets one clean sheet.that's y u see cech,de gea nd joe hart having some of d lowest in the entire league(it takes dem less minutes to get a clean sheet than d other keepers) .I explained very clearly in an earlier post.the keepers that kept just 1 or 2 clean sheets have way higher numbers than cech,de gea or even hart (check myhill,robles etc.

Looooool u have moved to a new stat now (one that appears to favour ur side of d debate).lmao. Well I wasn't arguing wit u on who is better.just wanted to point out d error in d conclusion u made from d 1st stat. D stat on minutes per clean sheet says cech is better. D stat on clean sheets as percentage of matches says de gea is better.

Cmon u know dt was just an example ,I believe u understand wt I am driving at. Ok let's say d keeper X has 30 clean sheets in 3000mins making the average 100 mins per clean sheet would u rate de gea ahead of dt keeper based on those stats? Analyse ur stats carefully nd understand them.d stats u highlighted show dt in terms of clean sheets cech is better than de gea

coogar: you think you do, but you don't.....



even your petr cech voted de gea as the best goalkeeper he's seen in his lifetime.



4 games...



the math is simple - the only reason cech had more clean sheets than de gea is because cech played more minutes. if you compute the number of clean sheets per minute, de gea wins by a distance.

cech - 3195/14 = 228.2 mins

de gea - 2250/11 = 229.1 mins.

de gea has a full minute over cech. cech concedes goals quicker than de gea. that there is the difference between the 2 goalkeepers.

. Err coogar u actually didn't interprete that stat d right way.wat it explains is how many minutes it takes to get a clean sheet I.e MINUTES PER CLEAN SHEET so d lower d figure the better(meaning cech is better in dis stat).to explain u see rob elliot wit 1 clean sheet in 834mins and myhill wit 1 clean sheet in 720mins meanind their numbers according to ur equation are 834 and 720 respectively! Dt shud make it obvious that d lower d figure d better d stat for d keeper.for example keeper X with 50 clean sheets in 3000mins will end up with a figure of 60

elampiro: Moyes already indicated this. When asked about Thiago before Bayern signed him, Moyes said he has never said Thiago was a target. I guess United knew where they were going from day one. I hope we land Fabregas, then we find who next to 'attack' in the transfer market.

if they were so sure of who their target was they should have gone for fabregas earlier(before thiago left for bayern)
it would be foolish of barca to let BOTH thiago and fabregas go in the same transfer window,i really don't see it happening.

paulinho just moved to spurs and dembele n cabaye are both CM types so i dont think getting both would be a good option.dont think cabaye is of the quakity we want and i dont see spurs selling dembele for less than crazy money.
we need a CM with some dynamism,skill,passing and vision e.g fabregas,MODRIC etc and a DM who is a useful passer of the ball e.g ......?