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MikeCZAR:
The contract is already signed meaning work is in progress. Similar to the Badger IFV.

This projects are fund.

Go figure how many Oerlikon twin barrel guns South Africa has.

You have mostly very very old versions of Oerlikon, only few are a bit modern, you wanna put CRAM on obsolete guns?

Tell us how many of the few good ones will be CRAM configured, we need numbers, though the current cash trouble of SANDF may still afford about 4 units of guns by 2017-2020
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MikeCZAR:
Delta wing shape.

Pappy Jascoco
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MikeCZAR:
That's because the impala was a trainer aircraft similar to the Hawk, but had a secondary light attack role.

The impalas were also used like attack helicopters, and were a nightmare of enemy helicopter pilots.

South Africa had 250 fighter aircraft during the war.

One Gripen will waste the enitre Nigerian air force in one day.

If I didn't raise the Impala jet issue you would have deceived us that SAAF had 250 fantastic jets during Angolan war. Fraudster, you think Nigerians are unlearned people like your fellow Soweto lazy men koeldrank drinkers who don't work and don't go to school while ANC government feeds their parasite mouths daily?

Anyway SAAF Gripens have only 25 missiles, NAF F-7 jets over 100 missiles, then add JF-17 missiles incoming.

We know NAF is getting total air superiority over SAAF after Christmas, enjoy your newly dropped air power rankings
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Horus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b03OGR6Nx4c

[size=15pt]Nigeria Launch Second Naval Ship NNS Unity[/size]

Now that Nigeria has possession of the first offshore patrol vessel from China the second OPV has been launch and named in recognition of her primary task of defending and protecting the unity of the Nigerian nation.

Nigerian navy is about to repeat order for 6 to 8 more of this P18N stealth OPV most to be built in Nigerian shipyard
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jln115:
New turret for the rooikat? Photos are from the armed forces day 2014, this really snuck up on me as i can find no info on it(with the exception of one or tow forums).Cant really see what type of turret it is but it looks very similar to the falcon turret Jordon uses on the mbt, dus 120mm smoothbore autoloader.turret also looks like it might be sporting a leds-150 active defence system. BTW the armed forces day as far as i know isnt a public event and all vehicles are either in service with the SANDF or in the reserve force.

SANDF must really love this one because they didnt even bother to market it at aad2014(i was there, it was aswum)!

SANDF Rooikats have a 76mm gun copy of Italian Oto melara. Rooikat gun is reputed incapable of shooting straight.

Mongoose defense system is NOT operational yet
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MikeCZAR:
Guess Oerlikon guns with CRAM capabilities will never allow any missile, bomb and PGM(s) to hit the ground.

Air defence:

1. Jets.

2. GBADS(radars, other sensors, missiles, guns, C2 and more)

3. Air force radars.

All linked with data links, the best in the world aka Swedish.

Anti-radiation missile will knock out all your radars and blind all your air defenses.

ECM will jam all your sensors.

Smoke rockets will blind all your thermal systems.

Unguided rockets in salvo mode cannot be stopped by CRAM especially from 40 JF-17 Thunders.

SANDF is screwed like roasted pork
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MikeCZAR:
Ever heard about Algeria and South Africa?

Yes, Algeria is more powerful than South Africa
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MikeCZAR:
I'm a realist, SA government to support the recommendations in the 2014 defence review will provide massive funds.

That's a fact.

SANDF is cash broke.

That's a fact
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mzilakazi:
Junk Fighter block 1, 2 and 3 are all inferior to Gripen C/D. period. I told you to look at their combat radius.
Most fierce and powerful fighters which are powered by single engine have a very low combat radius reason being they carry very heavy ordnances .In contrast the Junk Fighter with all its variants carry very light ordnances.

Poooh Pooooooh

Difference between JF-17 and Gripen payload is only 700 kg which is small. Both jets carry almost equal weight of ordnance.

Thunder has advantage of many more weapon options including Stealth and Multi-purpose Cruise Missiles.

Thunder also carries both western and eastern origin weapons, another big plus over the Gripen.

JF-17 combat radius almost doubles the Gripen, any smart pilot will give up 700 kg of 2 extra bombs to fly double range into enemy territory
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patches689:
SAAF will not be using the AHRLAC, it was developed for export.

We have the Hawk LIFT which is our primary CAS platform.

And again, where did you get the number of 24 scorpions from?

Hawk jet is just like Alpha jet, light ground attack NOT a COIN aircraft.

AHRLAC is for COIN or else what will you do with that paper toy? Air superiority - Interceptor role?

24 Scorpion jets NAF wants, it was posted by you and other South Africans here repeatedly many times last month November, you were very happy to post the story from Janes Defence then, but now the story scares you because it means NAF wants 40 JF-17 + 24 Scorpions = 64 jets


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patches689:
Why are you posting like a 12 year old?

What jets?

You dont have any

Since we are talking about planned acquisitions, then I guess I shoot down all of your Junk Fighters with Uhmkonto ground based SAM's

#Checkmate

Best proposed still under development Umkhonto anti-aircraft missile has maximum altitude of only 15 km.

JF-17 Thunder max altitude is about 17 km.

The whole of South Africa has NOTHING to stop JF-17 Thunder jet, it will fly above your missile defences and rain b.ombs on SANDF till infinity.

# # Double Checkmate
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patches689:
So, a photo of the LUH in the air, in the year 2014 is deceitful?

The fleet was only recently grounded pending the re-organization of maintenance paperwork after the man responsible for managing such documentation left the SAAF.

This is a sign that SAAF takes maintenance seriously, unlike the NAF who let their fleet get to the stage that most of their airframes had to be sent overseas to be fixed.

Reposting fraudulent A 109 helicopter photos of grounded helicopters that don't fly again. Barawo Banza !
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patches689:
No Junk Fighters of T-72's yet

Both are in Nigeria, and T-72 is seen by reporters on battlefield demolishing Boko Haram.

You lost again dude

"The military appears to be better equipped and motivated, and appears to have upped its war games, reporter Aliyu Tilde, usually critical of the military’s response to Boko Haram, said in despatches to the newsroom Monday.

The military is now better equipped and more confident. Its newly acquired T72 tank is devastating . Boko Haram bombed it using suicide bombers with a pickup packed with explosives but to no avail. Only scratches. And the beast moved on."


http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/172275-exclusive-inside-nigerian-militarys-renewed-offensive-boko-haram-terrorists-now-run.html

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ActivateKruger:
We would be having a worthwhile debate if you had purchased the Su-30 but its the Junk Fighter not even the Chinese want.

All air force chiefs in this world including SAAF, will choose 40 brand new JF-17s over 6 second-hand Su-30s. Common sense.
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ActivateKruger:
The problem with your theory is that the Gripen is a better plane and second you're yet to receive any Junk Fighters.

Evaluation and/or initial delivery units of JF-17 have been sighted in Nigeria months ago.

It's a done deal. NAF started this journey in 2012, slowly and intelligently. Our time has come to shine 2014 while you cry...Pity SA
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mzilakazi:
Bwahahaha.... Gripen engine is far better and more powerful than RD-93.

Nope, Gripen has a bad Volvo engine with very poor fuel economy that reduced combat radius of Gripen down to about half of JF-17
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mzilakazi:
Just image being envious for a Junk Fighter which only a single Gripen Jet can destroy 50 units of them.

Each single SAAF Gripen has less than one missile each, precisely 0.96 missiles per jet.

So how does less than one missile destroy 50 JF-17's ? Mumu Durango
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mzilakazi:
Junk Fighter =Scorpion jets. Bwahahahaha.... Anyway I knew that the SU-30s are not for the faint hearted.

Those Su-30 jets are second-hand 10 years old rejected by India and much cheaper price than the brand new JF-17. Mumu
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patches689:
This is a forum for military debate

Not a social gathering

Does not mean you should be mean to mess up a fellow nairalander's birthday

patches689:
The artical is pretty clear, the current grounding is due to paperwork being out of order and nothing else.

Nope, all your A 109 Helicopters are out of order and grounded, you Serial Liar !!! Resident Fraudster !!!

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patches689:
Yeah yeah

You keep saying the same thing

And our response is the same

Block 2 is on the same level as 1980's F16 Block40

your own stats prove this

F-16 combat radius is about half that of JF-17

The Thunder is also a better dog-fight maneuverable fighter than the Falcon. The F-16 airframe design is obsolescent.

JF-17 matches the F-16 for avionics.

Henry120:
Like the part where you skipped out the fact the JF-17 thunder is a far better fighter than the Gripen.

The Fighter can carry nukes, pity your 8 Gripen pilots can't claim the same.

Block II which is to be exported is better, far better, the block 3 is a 4+ gen fighter, that's a whole new level.

In addition, JF-17 Thunder can also carry stealth cruise missiles, the Gripen CANNOT do it !

The JF-17 Block II is more advanced than Gripen C.

Saudi Arabia wants to become joint-venture manufacturer for JF-17 Thunder.

https://pakarmedforces.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Jf-17-thunder.jpg

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patches689:
Feel free to list my lies

I am waiting

Even a whole library of papers cannot contain them all
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patches689:
And you will be forced to pay soutg africa for MTN by the UN

Just like they forced you to pay England

Stop posting like a 9 year old

Read my post, I said we will pay peanuts and swindle South Africa by milking you dry as punishment.

We will pay you raw iron value for your refined gold...peanuts for the monkey MTN
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mzilakazi:
SA is still with the Nigeria's seized money

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/172364-exclusive-contrary-reports-south-africa-still-holding-nigerias-seized-15-million-arms-money.html

Because we scared you to refund it or sell the weapons, the choice is yours between the two options we force down your trembling throats, and you are obeying our commands with fear and apology mixed together

"The paper said it saw two letters written by a Minister in the South African Presidency, Jeff Radebe, in which he promised to assist Nigeria ensure that an arms sale worth $9.3m (about R100-million), which had been blocked by South Africa, would proceed.

The Mail & Guardian reported that Radebe wrote to JP “Torie” Pretorius of the Directorate for Priority Crime Investigations (the Hawks), and Dumisani Dladla, the head of the national conventional arms control committee secretariat, seeking to assist the Nigerian government to get the weapons.

Nigeria wanted the arms, including helicopters and ammunition, to fight against the Islamic extremist group Boko Haram.

In October, the Asset Forfeiture Unit seized $5.7m that had been wired to Standard Bank in South Africa. Three weeks before that, $9.3m in cash was confiscated after being brought into the country via Lanseria Airport, north of Johannesburg, in three suitcases, by a delegation said to represent the Nigerian government.

In both instances, the money was apparently confiscated as the transactions it was to be used for were illegal.

In his letters, Radebe, the chairperson of the arms control committee, said it had come to the committee’s attention that the failed attempt on September 5 to pay an arms dealer in South Africa “was, in fact, a legitimate requirement from the government of Nigeria.”

“Although the required administrative processes were not adhered to at the time, the government of South Africa deems it a bona fide error,” Radebe said in his letters to Dladla and Pretorius."

http://www.punchng.com/news/safrica-nigeria-barter-dead-bodies-for-arms-report/

South Africa is either sending the weapons or the money....or else we will auction MTN for peanuts to a Nigerian Globacom

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patches689:
did you just pull the number of scorpions out of your bum?

Butt Hurt one eyed pirate

Your butt is further hurt red hot peppered by the fact that NAF wants 24 Scorpion jets when it's ready for sale and SAAF will be flying ARHLAC toy planes made with card-board paper and plywood for you COIN aircraft while NAF stings you with hitech composite material Scorpions.

Ya really hurt in your butt since 2 days ago when NAF Thunder struck the skies of Africa.

patches689:
First, no one said you would get 40, the number is 25-50, likely only 25 as Nigerian uses 12 plane squadrons

Second, there is no Su-30 or Tucano in Nigeria

Third, did you just pull the number of scorpions out of your bum?

Butt Hurt ANC unemployed parasite

NAF uses 18 squadron sometimes, we got 18 Jaguar jets

Ya just butt hurt because am gonna thunder over your army and wipe out all your G-6 artillery with my devastating Thunder JF-17 jets.

patches689:
And not a single picture

Butt Hurt SA mofo

There is no photo of Nigerian Mi-171 assault helicopter and we have had them for 2 years as confirmed by SIPRI.

You are the master of posting deceitful photos of 30 helicopters flying when 4 have crashed and the remaining 26 grounded.

patches689:
Saudi is not looking to buy them, so that is a flat out lie.

And here is the official list of potential buyers, should we examine them?
http://thediplomat.com/2013/12/pakistan-begins-producing-block-ii-jf-17-aircraft/

- Azerbaijan: Poor
- Bangladesh: Poor
- Congo: Poor
- Egypt: Arms embargoes
- Indonesia (which has already signed an agreement with Pakistan): Poor
- Iran: Arms embargoes
- Nigeria: Poor, Arms embargoes
- the Philippines: Poor
- Sri Lanka: Poor
- Sudan: Poor
- Turkey: doubt it, they just orderd 100 F-35's from the US
- Venezuela: Arms Embargoes
- Zimbabwe: Poor and Arms embargoes

Wow, that is really an impressive list of buyers, all are 3rd world and the ones who have money are interested are only interested due to Arms Embargoes.

Butt Hurt envious ragamufin

Oil and gas rich Saudi Arabia and Iran want to buy JF-17 and Saudi Arabia wants to be joint venture manufacturing partner for JF-17

"In January 2014, the Royal Saudi Air Force was reportedly examining potential technology transfer and co-production opportunities for the JF-17. Saudi Defence Minister Prince Salman bin Sultan toured the JF-17 project during a visit to Pakistan"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder
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patches689:
Likely a maximum of 25

Butt Hurt RSA mugu....maximum is officially 40 JF-17