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patches689: American army before Iraq was untested. How did that work?

German army today is untested

Dude stop posting this bvllshit on nairaland.

America just came from a very big and very large scale Vietnam war about 15 years before Iraqi war.

Same American fought world war II to Korean war about 10 years later. America is always fighting big wars, they are now back in Iraq against ISIS just after the finished Afghanistan war.

Stop writing rubbish that America has no war experience.

Germany, until the day they face Russia again since the last time 1945, then we will know how good they are.

The German military can defeat a weaker nation based on advanced technology and large number of sophisticated weapons.

South Africa is 100 times weaker than Germany. Don't compare
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MikeZA: The Hawk can do the job of your so called "ISTAR plane".

Hawk jet has NO suveillance radar for ISTAR....fool
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Msauza: I would rather call Burundi, the best African Army other than military of propaganda.

Sure, why won't you salute Burundi ? South African army just recently gave the job it cannot do to Botswana where your Rhinos are now safe
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patches689: Nigeria simply has no achievements to list

America does not list much too, except that they killed Osama Bin Laden.

Most serious minded countries do not go about writing everything their special forces do on the internet.

How many do you read about Israeli special forces exploits on free internet?

Nigerian special forces have been fighting a 4 year long war with Boko Haram and we have posted their photos on Nairaland, so you want Nigerian army to start listing and publishing full details of what our special forces are secretly doing in this on-going war?

Do you know that in war time, ALL special forces missions are top secret operations ?

You must have been canine beaten in your 'manhood' by a dog with rabies....Maaaad dog.....Maaaad man !

The long stories of South African special forces are actions done decades ago by dead or retired soldiers...

#ShowUs What South Africa's Current SpecialForces HaveAchieved InThe Past 20 years
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FighterPilot: YOU ARE A LIE!! NIGERIA DOES NOT HAVE ANY TRACK RECORD OF ANY SPECIAL OPERATION AS FOR SA RECCES THE INFORMATION IS ALL OVER THE NET. HEEHEEHEE!!!

We don't make noises. We are silent k.illers....we enter the lion'd den and k.illed him in his own camp :

"Shekau was killed in Gwoza Hills by a contingent of Special Forces led by Major A.T. Fambiya. Fambiya is reckoned to be one of the best Special Forces officers in the Nigerian military, who grew up in Gwoza and understood the rocky terrain.
Further investigations revealed that it was Major Fambiya that delivered the fatal shot that sent Shakau reeling in Gwoza Hills during a fierce battle but the Boko Haram leader did not die immediately. He was severally moved to Mali and later Cameroon where he gave up the ghost. His aides, who sought to create the impression that he was still alive to sect members, hurriedly buried him.
Pointblanknews.com gathered that the senator was angered by the deployment of Major Timothy Fambiya, an indigene of Gwoza in Gwoza Local Government Council of Borno State to eradicate the sect members and halt their activities in the area. The area falls within Senator Ndume’s Senatorial District and is predominantly Christian."
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Troop101: o yaaaaa we can kick ashhhhhhh. I don't think those NI-apes ever experience that kind of thrilling air power demo. They will shitttttttt their pants.

No, we don't boast about training and demo that even Ghana can do.

We Nigerian air force officers boast about the thousands of b.ombs, b.omblets, and rocket pods we have fired on Boko Haram's head in the last four years, and Boko Haram has high calibre anti-aircraft gun defences, so they fire back.

This is the combat experience of 2014 that South African Gripen, Hawk, and Rooivalk pilots wish they had, but do NOT have

CAPTURED: BOKO HARAM'S DEADLY 7 KM RANGE FOUR-BARREL SHILKA ANTI-AIRCRAFT GUNS FIRE BACK AT NIGERIAN AIR FORCE
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rka1: [size=16pt]
Boko Haram: Over 400 killed in Konduga, Ngamdu as soldiers ambush insurgents[/size]


By Maina Maina on September 17, 2014@dailypostngr

Images (21) No fewer than 400 members of the dreaded Islamic sect, Boko Haram were reportedly killed in their latest clash with soldiers of the Nigerian 7 division.

The insurgents fell to the officers who ambushed them while they tried to attack Konduga local government area of Borno central senatorial district.

Locals also said, that, they attempted to attack Konduga from two directions with over 500 fighters when the military fought and defended the local government, killing over 200 before the insurgents retreated.


DailyPost also gathered that, after the attack was repelled, some of them went through the forest and were heading towards Mafa local government area when soldiers laid ambush on them again, killing over 100 while the rest escaped with bullet wounds.

In another development, over 100 sect members who came up to attack travelers along Maiduguri- Potiskum road met their Waterloo when the detachment along that route engaged them in a fierce battle, killing all of them.

http://dailypost.ng/2014/09/17/boko-haram-400-killed-konduga-ngamdu-soldiers-ambush-insurgents/

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/troops-recover-3-vehicles-1-apc-insurgents-laleye/


http://defenceinfo.mil.ng/troops-crush-terrorists-revenge-mission-at-konduga/

[size=16pt]Best Army In Africa 2014....Nigeria

See what we do with 150 ammo per soldier....

Trained to k.ill, no waste, one shot one bullet one target....Bang !

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DieVluit: So, the Nigerian government has confirmed that it owns the money confiscated in South Africa.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/fg-defends-9-3m-cash-seized-s-africa-releases-data-transaction/

Who was the emotional debater the rejected the story of these people working with Nigerian intelligentsia? So much for trying to buy South African weapons undercover. So much for "having everything SA has".

Deal was contracted to an Israeli arms dealer who has customers that do shady and back door arms deals in South Africa, the small money will not even buy a combat helicopter. Deal must be for non-lethal cheap equipment or just some special rifles.

The buyer/contractor is an Israeli arms dealer. South Africa is shown as corrupt and non-transparent, Israelis deal in arms export out of your corrupt country without telling South African government !
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Patchesagain: [size=15pt]SAAF sets a reminder as to whom is the best in Sub-Saharan Africa
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Following the insertion of Pathfinders dropped from a C208 Caravan at 6,000ft in order to collect intelligence and mark targets, a Hawk fitted with a Vinten reconnaissance pod, escorted by a Gripen, obtained tactical information over the battlefield. The Gripen, having been targeted by a SAM, released flares.

Various simulated exercises, including a South African Army element, comprised scenarios ranging from mortar attacks, air supply drops and troop insertions. A low-level supply drop by a C-130 Hercules was followed by two Gripens and a Hawk performed a 2v1 dogfight.

Oryx medium-transport helicopters demonstrated water bombing with Bambi buckets and continuously dropped off and picked up troops while an Agusta A109 Light Utility Helicopter performed observation and co-ordination of ground force duties.

With a BK-117 performing an ‘emergency landing’ after the pilot was hit by ground fire, a combat Search & Rescue scenario was enacted. The ensuing mock battle included the firing of 81mm motors, with Oryx helicopters inserting and extracting troops whilst two Rooivalk attack helicopters provided covering fire with 20mm cannon and 70mm FFAR rockets.

Close air support was proved by a Hawk firing its 30mm Aden cannon and dropping 120kg bombs, whilst three Gripens dropped 250kg bombs on targets on the range, creating some impressively huge explosions and accompanying vibrations.

-from DefenceWeb

We talk about what we can actually do

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Even zero-experienced Ghana can do what you did, even a dunce can parade and fire his own weapons at home in training.

Go show your war skills to Seleka Rebels now [/size]
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Patchesagain: We have SF who jump out of planes in the middle of the ocean and randevouz with submarines. You are so outclassed its not even a joke.

Why didn't you fly them to jump inside the Angolan ship that was hijacked by pirates in your SADC backyard?

It was Nigerian soldiers that jumped into the ship and capture the pirates.

Sure your South African jumping to sea special forces are all imaginary "marine unicorns"
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Thiza: @AUGUSTUS I DONT NEED YOUR MISPLACED OPINION ONLY FACTS SHALL SETTLE THE DEBATE.....BRING FACTS AND OFFICIAL WEBSITE NOT SOME FLABBARGASTING OPINIONS

Algerian and Egyptian special forces are far better than those of South Africa, yet they have no website for their SF.

Is it website or published stories that judges special forces? Algerian SF just came victorious in a 10 year long war non-stop against deadly Islamic terrorists.....

You can NEVER compare your paper stories with the reality we see, now you show us video of the skills of South African special forces, seeing is believing...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxcmMax2poQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI2XaoJxZVk

These are African special forces, Show us those of South Africa !!!!
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Thiza: @AUGUSTUS A CHALLENGE WAS DECLARED AND SO PROVIDE EVIDENCE WITH CREDIBLE OFFICIAL STATEMENTS AND WEBSITE AS I HAVE DONE...IF NOT FOREVER KEEP YOUR HOT AIR IN SILENCE.....PROVIDE THE PROCESS OF SELECTION, TRAINING ETC AS ALREADY DONE THROUGH OFFICIAL WEBSITE....SAS HAS ITS OWN WEBSITE.....GREEN BERETS HAVE THEIR OWN WEBSITE....FRENCH FOREIGN LEGION HAVE THEIR OWN WEBSITE...DELTA FORCE HAVE THEIR OWN...SEALS HAVE THEIR OWN AND SOUTH AFRICAN RECCES HAVE THEIR OWN.....IT CONTAINS ALL THE INFORMATION I HAVE REQUESTED FORM YOU....SO DO THE RIGHT THING PROVIDE EVIDENCE OR WE ALL SHALL CONSIDER YOU A LIAR, PASSION HATER, A MISPLACED PATRIOT.......PLEASE DO US A FAVOUR PROVIDE EVIDENCE SO AS TO COMPARE WITH SOUTH AFRICAN RECCES....HERE IS THE RECCES WEBSITE WHERE IS YOURS.....PLEASE NO OPINIONS THAT CANNOT BE SUBSTINTINATED EXCEPT BY YOU

https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEEQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.recce.co.za%2F&ei=P4QZVIHjFK_G7Aa0wYDoDQ&usg=AFQjCNFmhsyn3yoY3gorrSveddxEcnwU6Q

You post the ones for Egypt, Algeria, Kenyan, Ugandan special forces.

Not all countries of this world upload their special forces training program on internet, SF publicity policy are different by country !
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Thiza: South AFrican Special Forces have been fighting a war since 1975 not piece meal operations in Sierra Leone against rag tag armies...The South African Special Forces Brigade is the only Special Forces unit of the South African National Defence Force (SANDF).

One of the "Recces"' most effective operations came in 1982: Operation Mebos penetrated deep into Angola and destroyed the SWAPO Headquarters. In Operation Askari, in the winter of 1984, the "Recces" cut off almost all supply lines to and from the SWAPO in Angola. In 1985, a "Recce" team undertook the controversial Operation Cabinda, a failed attempt to sabotage Ango

On 11 June 1985, roughly 80 km from Menongue, the team shot down an Angolan airplane, a light utility aircraft.

@AUGUSTUS DISPLAY NIGERIAN HISTORICAL OPERATIONS

You just wrote the history of old retired and dead men...1975....1985

@THIZA DISPLAY SOUTH AFRICA'S CURRENT SPECIAL FORCES ACHIEVEMENT OF THE MEN IN SERVICE TODAY
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patches689: Nigeria doesn't have:

-JF-17s
Su-30s
Tucano
T-72

So we are completely unconcerned by your "unicorn" military

30 days ago, you said this one too is an imaginary "Unicorn" but today, after photo appeared....Bwahahaha
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FighterPilot: WOW,!! BOTH OF YOUR SPECIAL FORCES ARE YOUNGER THAN MY SON. MY SON SHALL DEFEAT BOTH OF THEM.

I just hope he is not your only son, because.....let me not say it. May your son live long to bury you in old age, amen !
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Thiza: @augustus indicate throught official wesite into which areas the Nigerian Special Forces Brigade is specialising in, selection process, composition, training, weapons and Organogram not photos that are general and why the whole President pronounced on a need for a Special Forces Brigade and COIN concept is not a mono term applicable to every conflict.....I know Special Boat section which was fprmed two years ago and trained by British SAS AND WHY THE PRESIDENT DECIDE TO ANNOUNCE?

How many African countries publish full details of training and specialization of their special forces on internet?

Can you find such information for Egypt, Algeria, Uganda, Kenya?

Nigerian navy SBS special forces is 8 years old and have current combat experience in Niger Delta war and Boko Haram war.

Nigerian army SF are decades old, formerly called commandos.

Only NAF SF is newly created, and yet over 4 years old, formed from older battalion of airborne paratroopers
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FighterPilot: @THIZA-MY BROTHER, NIGERIAN SPECIAL OPERATIONS ARE STILL INFANTS IN THE LEAGUES OF SPECIAL FORCES IN THE WORLD. HENCE, THE MOST INEXPERIENCED IN THE WHOLE OF AFRICA. IT IS NOT A LIE, IT IS AS TRUE AS A FACT!!!!

Nigerian special forces fought under the name of commandos in Liberia and Sierra Leone, but renamed as special forces in the wars of Niger Delta, and today in the North East.

Show me the war South African special forces have fought in the last 20 years.

Your old experienced white men special forces of bush war are mostly retired or run away overseas, the very few that stayed are now aged between 50 years to 60 year old grand fathers with high blood pressure and dangerous heart-beat pulse rate, they will run and collapse under intense battle

Old age has k.illed the experienced South African special forces.

The younger ones have no experience of war and are already getting k.illed by HIV
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MikeZA: After what I've personally witnessed today. I can declare that no African nation is closer to SA in military technology.

South Africa has no military spy satellite and no dedicated ISTAR aircraft, and no amphibious armoured vehicles in year 2014
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FighterPilot: CHIEF, THERE IS NO A SINGLE RHINO FROM SA WHICH EXILED TO BOTSWANA. THE GOVERNMENT OF BOTSWANA WAS DONATED NOT MORE THAN 20 RHINOS BY NORTH WEST PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT WHICH ALSO HAS ITS OWN RHINOS.

#SPEAKFACTS

My pleasure....


"Starting in January 2015, a conservation group will fly as many as 100 rhinos from South Africa to Botswana in an attempt to save the animal from extinction.

The relocation project comes after one of the deadliest years for rhinos on record, with more than 1,000 killed in South Africa alone, according to the South Africa Department of Environmental Affairs."

http://mashable.com/2014/08/13/south-africa-airlift-rhinos/


"(Reuters) - South Africa plans to move up to 500 rhinos from its flagship Kruger National Park to counter a wave of poaching of the animals for their horns, highly prized in newly affluent Asian countries as a sign of wealth.

Officials said on Tuesday the mission could see some of the animals shipped to nearby Botswana and Zambia as South Africa grapples with a poaching epidemic that has seen more than 630 rhinos killed so far this year, 408 of them in Kruger."


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/12/us-safrica-rhinos-idUSKBN0GC1AB20140812

[size=16pt]Proved : South African military defeated, Rhino Poachers win the war ![/size]

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Thiza: The South African Air force (SAAF) impressed foreign military dignitaries at Tuesday’s Air Capability Demonstration (ACD) with an impressive display of firepower and synchronised manoeuvring.

It is also the only time invited dignitaries and guests are able to witness aircraft firing live weapons at close range.

Following the insertion of Pathfinders dropped from a C208 Caravan at 6,000ft in order to collect intelligence and mark targets, a Hawk fitted with a Vinten reconnaissance pod, escorted by a Gripen, obtained tactical information over the battlefield. The Gripen, having been targeted by a SAM, released flares.

Close air support was proved by a Hawk firing its 30mm Aden cannon and dropping 120kg bombs, whilst three Gripens dropped 250kg bombs on targets on the range, creating some impressively huge explosions and accompanying vibration.

In the words of Deputy Chief of the South African Air Force, Maj. Gen. Gerald Malinga, “there is no task the SAAF cannot carry out successfully.”

Every country in the world with an air force can drop bombs successfully in a testing-training location at home.

South African military keeps firing weapons at stones, sand and trees in the bush, when will your Gripen jets and Hawk jets ever fire at a real enemy that can fire back? In a battlefield where your own army is mixed with the enemy fighters inside a city with civilains, that is the true test of military skills and capability-professionalism.

Togo republic too can fire Alpha jets rockets and bombs against trees in the bush with no response from the enemy that does not exist

Patchesagain: And we are winning the war against poachers

No, you lost, Jacob Zuma begged Botswana to allow him transfer your Rhinos to them after SANDF was defeated by ragtag poachers
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DieVluit: the question is simple - on what ground can South Africa's DEVELOPMENT not be compared to China's?

Do you even know what DEVELOPMENT is? Yes? No?

You are the one who does not know what development means.

Let me help you with a simple example.

China builds vehicle and aircraft engines, South Africa imports all such things.

"The composition of our bilateral trade remains a concern. Over 90% of South Africa’s top 10 exports to China are in raw materials while 100% of our top 10 imports from China are manufactured products," the minister said in a written reply to a parliamentary question by African National Congress (ANC) MP Freddie Adams."

http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/trade/2014/03/12/bilateral-trade-with-china-on-the-increase

The difference between candle flame and sunshine
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patches689: So only 813 now?

813 airframes that don't compare to modern counterparts such as the Rafael, Eurofighter, Mirage 2000, Gripen, F-22

Wonderful

New version 1990s 813 F-16s is almost 3 times the 280 Gripens that exist.

The other older 1,200 F-16s have over 700 of them upgraded to modern versions in ALL advanced countries, no advanced country flies around in 3rd generation jets, when even Uganda is flying 4th generation.

You SA guys are classic dummies with your rubbish posts
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Patchesagain: yes, a state of decline from a level that Nigeria could not even comprehend, and a state that Nigeria will never acheive. A decline that is about to be ended by a boost in military spending that Nigeria has never achieved nor will it ever achieve - some $9 Billion is ear-marked

Our military is not broke, its underfunded... how many new projects have been announced this year alone? Does that sound broke to you?

Yes, our PEACETIME military would have trouble with conducting a long term war. But, if our security situation were to deteriorate we could feild an army that is superior to the SADF - which was the best military Africa had ever seen.

the fact remains that our PEACETIME military is superior to your WARTIME military.

the fact remains that our PEACETIME military is better funded than your WARTIME military

the fact remains that our PEACETIME military is better equipped than your WARTIME military

In times of peace we are superior, can you even comprehend what we are capable of in times of war?

and dont argue about definitions with me, clown

rev·o·lu·tion/ˌrɛvəˈluʃən/
–noun
1. an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed.
2. Sociology. a radical and pervasive change in society and the social structure, esp. one made suddenly and often accompanied by violence. Compare social evolution.
3. a sudden, complete or marked change in something: the present revolution in church architecture.
4. a procedure or course, as if in a circuit, back to a starting point.


in·sur·gen·cy/ɪnˈsɜrdʒənsi
–noun, plural, -cies for 4.
1. the state or condition of being insurgent.
2. insurrection against an existing government, usually one's own, by a group not recognized as having the status of a belligerent.
3. rebellion within a group, as by members against leaders

Finally, we dealt with the insurgency, apartheid ended because of POLITICAL not MILITARY factors. ANC military formations bigger than small cells of bombers were a non-entity in South Africa. No enemy force was able to establish a permanent base in South African (and Namibian) territory after 1970. No South African towns were captured - Can Nigeria say the same?

Your argument has been weighed, measured and found wanting

Come back when you know what you are talking about

Your peacetime army is an untested army, and nothing makes an average football team that only trains at home, to be better than the average one that plays in the world cup.

From your own definitions above, a revolutionist is an insurgent who has taken over government, he is still an insurgent, just that he is a successful one that won political control of the territory.

ANC insurgents defeated South African military and established a revolutionary government of successful insurgents.

Successful Insurgency = Revolution.

A revolutionist is an insurgent. Simple
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FighterPilot: ALL THAT YOU HAVE SAID DOES NOT IN ANY TRUE SENSE HAVE ANY WEIGHT. THE FACT, HOWEVER, REMAINS THAT DAMAGE HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. BY BH WHO BADLY DENTLY YOUR IMAGE. OUR CHILDREN WILL ONE DAY READ ABOUT THIS EMBARRASSMENT SINCE IT WILL GO DOWN THE ANNALS OF HISTORY.

Same story and history for South African military that was defeated by ordinary Rhino hunters.

For Nigerian army, when the war is over, history will read that we defeated the most powerful Islamic terrorist force is Africa.

Now there is no problem about a war in Nigeria, the sweet thing for history is that we got Victory at the end.

The end of story for South Africa is the read bad news, your Soweto grandchildren will read that Rhino hunters finally defeated SANDF and your government relocated your precious Rhinos to permanent exile to Botswana
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Thiza: @AUGUSTUS NIGERIA NEVER HAD A SPECIAL FORCES CAPABILITY...NOW AFTER 45 YEARS OF SOUTH AFRICA's EXISTING SPECIAL FORCES BRIGADE...NIGERIA THINK OF ESTABLISHING ONE

Following the incessant terror attacks,the Nigerian government is set to establish a Special Forces Brigade, President Goodluck Jonathan has said.

Speaking at the passing out parade of the Army Officer Cadets of the 61 Regular Course and Short Service Course 42, Mr. Jonathan said the establishment of this brigade would help tackle the challenges of security threats in Nigeria.

Mumu, President Jonathan wants to establish another special forces specially assigned for anti-Boko Haram war and any COIN war.

How can a 150 year old Nigerian army have no special forces? Even the army of Togo republic have special forces.

We have naval special forces SBS equal to the British SBS, we have NAF SF equal to the British SAS, we have NA SF equal to the British Army SF. They are the ones that k.illed the original Shekau inside his own Boko Haram stronghold forest camp around about 2 years ago.

Nigerian special forces fought in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Niger Delta war, and now in Boko Haram war.

We have a bigger number of special forces than South Africa, and we have lots of fresh war experience, plus overseas training with US Navy Seals, Israeli SF, Pakistani SF, Ukranian SF, in addition to our domestic military academy training.

Look, if you want to see Nigerian special forces, click on the weblink below, over 100 photos

https://www.nairaland.com/1386870/african-militaries-security-services-strictly

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FighterPilot: LIES!! YOUR NEWLY ACQUIRED FIGHTERS ARE BELIEVED TO BE THE HAND ME DOWN SECOND HAND TOOLS OF BRAZILIAN SUPER TUCANOS.

Lol, you SA mofos said NAF has no Super Tucano, but now that Su-30 Flanker arrived for NAF, you say it was the Tucano that arrived. LOL, NAF will k.ill South Africans with hypertension now o !

Dude, NAF has ALL FOUR ....Super Tucano, Su-30 Flanker, JF-17 Thunder, Mi-35M Hind E.

Nigeria has made world history with the fastest rise of air power by any air force in the world at any point in time, that is the power of Nigeria, shocking the world with transformation at supersonic speed !

Now we shall soon invade South Africa, sink your navy from the air, sh.oot down your whole airforce, r.ape your army from the skies, enter your country, ship away 10,000 most beautiful South African girls aged 18 years to 22 years in their 'flowering age' with arrow pointed 'double mangoes' and well positioned heavy Southie corn-eating enlarged rear bumpers, all v.irgins, all clean after HIV tests to guarantee they have NEVER been touched by your ugly South African men.

We gonna have plenty of free fun in Lagos and South Africa will no longer be a republic but now an annexed 37th state/province of Nigeria to be ruled by a Nigerian governor.....and your companies and citizens will pay tax and mineral mining royalties to Abuja every month until we milk you dry.

@Fighter Pilot will be shining my boots, @Andrewza will be washing my camo uniform, @Patches will be scrubbing my toilet and flushing my sh1t daily....you all gonna work without pay, after all I will be feeding you and accommodating you free in my servants quarters in Abuja Maitama district .

South Africans have become prisoners of the Su-30 Flanker Nation Nigeria !

https://www.flight1.com/images/bssu30/su30mk0.jpg
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patches689: Long rambling post that proves nothing other than the fact that augubug is a clown

Only extensively upgraded F-16s are any good

And those extensively upgraded units constitute a tiny margin of F-16s in service

F-16 is old and outclassed

Most are not 4th gen

All F-16s are 4th Gen, the last USAF 3rd Gen was F-4 Phantom...

"Fourth-generation jet fighter is a general classification of fighter aircraft in service from approximately 1980 to present day, and represent design concepts of the 1970s. Fourth-generation designs are heavily influenced by lessons learned from the previous generation of combat aircraft. Long-range air-to-air missiles, originally thought to make dogfighting obsolete, proved less influential than expected precipitating a renewed emphasis on maneuverability. Meanwhile, the growing costs of military aircraft in general and the demonstrated success of aircraft such as the F-4 Phantom II gave rise to the popularity of multirole fighters in parallel with the advances marking the so-called fourth generation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-generation_jet_fighter

Looks like birds flew overhead and stole away your already weak brain
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patches689: Feel free to show us these nations

I should be listing F-16 users for you? Just google search the weblink from which I quote below, if you succeed, I will upgrade your brain level from Mumu to Mugu

"Production of the block 50/52 totals 813 airframes up to now. Manufacturing started in 1991 and is still ongoing. Block 50 aircraft were delivered to the USAF, Turkey, Greece and Chile, whilst Block 52 aircraft were delivered to the USAF, South Korea, Singapore, Greece, Poland and Israel. Of the total number of Block 50/52, still 260 are waiting delivery to the customer (July 2003)."
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patches689: 90 men is more than enough to save 200 schoolgirls

Try it against 5,000 armed kidnappers. Mumu
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patches689: South Africa was a revolution

Not an jnsurgency

There is a big difference

No, they both mean the same thing, fool

insurgent

Pronunciation: /ɪnˈsəːdʒ(ə)nt /
NOUN

A person fighting against a government or invading force; a rebel or revolutionary:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/insurgent
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patches689: Stop wasting our time

You have no su30s

We have more than Su-30 Flankers, we even added JF-17 Thunder....South Africa is in trouble o !
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