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Fighter Pilot: I hope @Agaugust will read this and stop embarrassing himself about Sea skimming missiles against Umkhonto missile.

FINNISH NAVY SELECTS DENELS UMKHONTO MISSILE



Friday, October 18, 2002

The Finnish Navy has signed a multi-million rand contract with Denels Kentron division this week for the supply of Umkhonto-IR surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) and associated fire control equipment. The missiles are meant to equip six vessels of the Finnish Navy?s Squadron 2000 project.

It is believed that the special features of the Umkhonto-IR missile, including its multiple target and vertical launch capability, combined with a competitive proposal, won the day for Kentron.

Industry support from the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) over the past number of years made it possible for the South African Navy (SAN) to become the launch customer of the Umkhonto-IR missile system for its new Meko A-200 Patrol Corvettes, currently under construction in Germany.

The SA Navy?s selection of the Umkhonto-IR enabled Kentron to expand its marketing of the state-of-the-art missile to other prospective clients like Finland.

The fact that Finland is a member of the European Union makes the selection of Umkhonto-IR all the more significant and creates a solid platform for future marketing and sales elsewhere in the world.

Typically the Umkhonto-IR surface-to-air missile system acts as a ship?s primary defensive weapon against incoming sea-skimming missiles and other air threats such as attack aircraft.

The missile is launched from a set of sealed and pressurised cylindrical launch canisters installed below the deck of the vessel. Launched vertically, with autonomous flight control, the Umkhonto-IR missile system provides for all around protection (360°cover) of the ship. A number of missiles (up to eight or more) can be launched at different targets simultaneously.

The 3-metre long missile, weighing 125 kg at launch, takes less than 16 seconds to engage a target as far as eight kilometres away. It has a set of tail-mounted, aerodynamic control fins, as well as thrust vectoring vanes in the motor nozzle, making it highly agile. With its low smoke propellant, the attacking enemy is less likely to notice the missile during flight.

Equipped with an IR (infra-red) seeker and sophisticated guidance systems, including digital autopilot, the Umkhonto-IR missile homes in on its target after launch. By doing such mid-flight guidance to the target , known in military terminology as lock-on-after-launch, saves on valuable time, thus allowing for superior protection of the vessel.

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Details:

Lenght 3m
Weight 125kg
Range 12km (up to 10 in height..)
Speed 2,5 mach
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread25708/pg1

i repeated this same question more than 7 times today, show me source of where DENEL tested Umkhonto missile against a single sea-skimming anti-ship missile anywhere in this world...or your half-indian brain cannot understand simple english language ? cheesy cheesy


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Fighter Pilot: @Agaugust you live in Nigeria somewhere in the jungle and hopefully you do not know how fast a skua drone is. It is just as fast as a missile my friend and even more faster than your otomat. Here under are the tests which have been done about Umkhonto capabilities.


http://m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/sa-missile-concludes-trials-with-a-bang-2005-11-11


Denel was even once accused of selling a skua technology to Iran.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-9438/

please stop telling irrelevant stories here.

i repeated this same question more than 7 times today, show me source of where DENEL tested Umkhonto missile against a single sea-skimming anti-ship missile anywhere in this world...or your half-indian brain cannot understand simple english language ?

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Mike..ZA:
You play video games too much. The Valour class Frigates are stealthy. Any missile will be shredded into pieces by the Denel dual purpose gun.

their is only one DENEL CIWS gun on a whole valour frigate, and it is located at that one single side....how will it stop an anti-ship missile coming at its back, front, or the other unprotected side of the warship...or 4 NNS Aradu Otomat missiles coming the same time from all 4 directions ?

does your brain work ? or you are a policeman talking on a military thread/forum ?

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andrewza: "We used a little innovation to update our 1960s-vintage SAMs to detect the Nighthawk," Dani said. He declined to discuss specifics, saying the exact nature of the modification to the warhead's guidance system remains a military secret.

It involved "electromagnetic waves," was all that Dani — who now owns a small bakery in this sleepy village just north of Belgrade — would divulge.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-10-26-serb-stealth_x.htm

you real got to stop doubting me

i will always doubt you because you manipulated seleka rebel vs SANDF kill ratio many times from 250 to 350 to 600 to 850 !!!

i will always doubt you because you deliberately deceived the whole of this forum for many days with false claim that south africa has a satellite in orbit despite clear sources posted to prove that your claim if false....only a fool will trust a man like you !!!


I thank God you are now posting sources to confirm my claims on this forum that old and so called 'out-dated' 30 year old anti aircraft missiles can shoot down modern day jet fighters....this confrims that nigerian 1981 Roland anti-aircraft missile will shoot down south african air force 1998 Gripen jet, thank you for this final confession of truth after many months of denial

there is NO scientific proof of anything in that Serb claim, i posted that story and from a more detailed source many months ago, i posted the Bosnia SAM-3 story many times more than you on this forum.

Iraq used an even older 1957 SAM-2 to shoot down supersonic speed 1991 american F-15 jet fighter in gulf war and Iraq did not come out and make false claim of any secret update of any thing on that outdated missile.

Iraq also used an ordinary old anti-aircraft gun to shoot down a modern high speed american F-15 in gulf war too, Iraq did not update any scientific stuff on that gun.


On the first day of operation Desert Storm an F-15E was shot down by anti-aircraft artillery. [4]
On the third day of operation Desert Storm an F-15E was shot down by a Russian made SA-2E missile. Both crew members were lost.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_F-15_losses


Serbia can continue to claim things they cannot prove scientifically and then call it a 'secret'...the Serbs have never been great scientists anytime.

so you want to believe a Serb claim of missile secret capability today ? then you should believe nigerian Epe made missile claims of upgrading to 'larger and more complex and advanced missiles' for testing...or you believe the Serbs because and doubt the nigerians ? nigeria spends more on missile research than Serbia, so how do you choose whose 'secret' to believe ? judge yourself

you are doubting and denying the claims of a nigerian Epe missile project rocket scientist that has a Phd Degree, but....

look at the profile of the man whose claim of 'military science secret' you believe without proof ....

"It involved "electromagnetic waves," was all that Dani — who now owns a small bakery in this sleepy village just north of Belgrade — would divulge."

i am sure your brain level is just like his own, good enough for a small bakery in a sleepy village in soweto, afterall a cook/chef and baker are brothers

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andrewza: the report is from 2007 the umkhonto was test in 2008 vs supersonic targets not to mention the ottomat is not suppersonic, they all so carry 16sams.

Basically the entire artical is outdated please try again

show me source to prove the test of Umkhonto missile against a sea-skimming 2 meter (6 feet above sea water) low level anti-ship missile, show me now...fool

new topic please
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andrewza: and that means what, so the serbes never updated or upgraded there radar and fire control since 1960?

post source to prove the serbs upgraded all their SAM-3 in 1999.

what if i say nigeria too has upgraded its Roland SAM without s source proof

andrewza: How did i defeat my self the radar on a valour can pick up RHIBs thus the umkhonto could easily reach the otomat, the umkhonto does not even have to score a direct hit since it uses a proximity fuse and a large warhead,

the ottomat only drops to 2m for the final approach for most of the flight it is at well above 10m


Now why don't you stop embarrassing yourself or continue either way i dont care

Otomat has radars and sensors, the command and control officer that launched the missile is not a fool, his NNS ARADU has 180km range DA-08 air search and track radar screen, once he sees valour frigate launch Umkhonto missile, he guides the missile to descend to lowest sea skimming 2m level to avoid any enemy defense.....i have sank your expensive valour warship and wasted your government`s money....fact !!

find a new topic to argue with me...you lost this one

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andrewza: F117 has been around since 1981 and i was not talking about the SAM when i mentioned year but the radar and fire control the SA3 is still a threat to this day but a 1960 era radar is not

please borrow or steal another man`s brain if yours is malfunctioning.

1978 american F-16 is NOT the same electronic capability as 2013 F-16, america upgrades its aircraft almost every year.

1981 F-117 is not the same as 1999 F-117 that was shot down....the 1999 jet was upgraded to the best technology in the world at that time, i know about american weapons more than you do, so sharaaap !



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Fighter Pilot: You are crazy, I told you that Umkhonto marry the target by locking into it like a magnet. It is fully capable of stopping any kind of missile, sea skemming or not, umkhonto is designed to follow the target at any direction. Denel does not claim, they test their weapon.

Professor @Agaugust your claims are outdated and Denel's engineers are more clever than you are.

Give yourself time and research about Umkhonto than making unfounded statements as if you were the one who invented it.

the research has already been done by south africans and it was concluded that south african valour frigate defense against anti-ship missiles is very poor....read below...you lost this argument .....


[size=16pt]Valour frigate defence is weak...experts reveal[/size]



"The South African Denel Umkhonto-IR is a short-range (12km) anti-aircraft missile, which is still in its development stage, having been "tested only to a limited extent" , while "several navies and air forces already have supersonic anti-ship missiles. How the Umkhonto will deal with these is not known."

The frigates can have their capacity doubled to 32 Umkhontos, but will probably carry only eight missiles and so "can easily be swamped by saturation attack *7"

Also, after a missile has been fired, empty launch canisters have to be removed from their silos, but: "As far as can be determined, this cannot be done by the Valour-class at sea, so reloading will have to be done alongside in habour port or require a replenishment vessel, as a depot ship, in calm seas".

Heitman admitted the missiles might have difficulty intercepting supersonic assaults.

He added that no navy was able to reload its vertically launched anti-aircraft missiles at sea.

http://www.armsdeal-vpo.co.za/articles10/weak_ships.html


NNS Aradu Otomat missile is fully tested in Europe and America against the best american air defense missile and Otomat won.

NNS Aradu can sink all south african navy warships in one day ....fact !!

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andrewza: by the way the suka speed is over 1000km the otomat is 1000km to 1100km the skua and a min altitude on 10m

thank you for finally defeating yourself at last....Otomat sea hugging anti-ship missile flies to attack enemy ships at 2m above sea level, Umkhonto anti-aircraft missile was tested ONLY against a sea skua drone that does not carry out any evasive maneuvers like the Otomat sensors and the high flying sea skua cannot go below 10m above sea level....Otomat sinks lower to 2m above sea waters too low for any Umkhonto missile to stop ...fact !!

"Flight

The boosters made by ROXEL, are positioned at the flanks, gives enough speed allowing the turbojet to start, while the wings opens, then in 4 seconds the missile reach a 250 m/s speed and 200 m height, stabilizes his flight and descends to 20 m cruising at low altitude. At this time the auto-pilot and the altimeter allow holding the right directions to the target. The Otomat missile flies at around 1,000 km/h controlled with the four cross winglets in the aft, behind the main fixed wings to sustain the weapon.

While the missiles flies it receive the input at mid-course, then, at only 6 km from the target activates the onboard radar to reduce reaction time from the target, with Otomats two dimensional radar system, the weapon simply continues to fly to the ship, with the altitude falling from 20m to 2m"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat


thank you for proving me correct. get ready for my new naval blockade battle next 10 days...i am using NNS Aradu Otomat to sink South african valour frigate...fact !!!

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andrewza: when was that the 1980s

1961 SAM-3 missile shot down 1999 american air force super modern stealth jet fighter in Bosnia war. fool

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Henry120: Yes, the military is inadequate to deal with terrorism holistically. Same with south-africa been unable to effectively deal with poaching. You should learn to your that pint-sized brian of yours.

south africa could NOT STOP rhino poaching and ANC freedom fighter/terrorists FACT !

Boko Haram will die a natural death after some years....history proves that...

ANC south africa

IRA britain/northern ireland

TAMIL TIGERS sri lanka

ETA BASQUE spain

UNITA angola

MEND/ nigeria

i believe in war history....it always re-plays itself in every generation...same pattern...same grand finale


where is niger delta militancy today ? they killed more soldiers than boko haram !
https://www.osundefender.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/nigerdeltamilitants2.jpg

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chris365: even the white pig's apartheid south african regime had to unwillingly hand over the country to what they referred as terrorists after years of unsuccessful war against them, to the extent of invading other countries that harbored them. Now he feels his country is strong enough to fight a group 10 times deadlier than ANC was.

dull kid that just spits without reasoning

FACT !

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MiguelMi6: you are right.Ethiopia belongs up there too.
I guess this place is a divided house between countries hence why you guys are curious of my originality.I'm neither for or against enemy or home.neutral mind here.Am an Oceanographer who takes interest in military matters and studies about them.I do hope to broaden my horizon here.you guys argue like Generals,I'm impressed.

my friend in USA is named Miguel and a Hispanic/Latino.

welcome on board. you can be a neutral judge or neutral opinion giver....nobody is your friend or foe...so you could judge peoples comments fairly and much better.

in case you hang around...next 10 days i am simulating a detailed real live combat of south african naval attack on nigeria with nigeria defending from the air and sea (the land defense was posted on page 236).

also later, i will simulate a nigerian naval attack on south africa...surprises will be seen, and i hope people identify the weaknesses in their military defenses and go talk to their country's ministers for defense about it, instead of pretending that those great weaknesses are not existing. to be fore-warned is to be fore-armed

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@zaandrew just got banned above, he insulted me because i proved south african Umkhonto missiles CANNOT do what DENEL fraudulently claims as the missile was NEVER tested as a defence against sea skimming anti-ship missiles, the truth hurt him so bad...he insulted me big time and he got banned big time

lets see him use his second email account to login as @andrewza...after he finishes cooking breakfast for his navy officers...south african navy cook/chef

when you log-in again, @andrewza, please show us source to prove that Umkhonto missile was tested against any anti-ship missile anywhere in this world ....show us proof

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[size=16pt]tested and proved....

Otomat anti-ship missile penetrated ALL powerful american navy missile defenses....[/size]


"Testing and the future of Otomat :

There is no known combat use of Otomat but there were many tests, like the one in 1987, when a Venezuelan Lupo frigate hit an old US destroyer used as target at 122 km, leaving a 6 m hole in it.[10] Flight took a little over than 400 seconds. In another example at least 8 missiles were bought by US Navy: thanks to a new evasive, final maneuver, the majority of these weapons, called LRAT (Long Range Attack Target) penetrated inside the formidable missile defenses of US ships. All in all, this missile was and is a very powerful weapon."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat

NO umkhonto missile can stop an Otomat missile, tested and proved...fact !!!

nigerian navy NNS Aradu's all powerful tested and proved sea surface -skimming Otomat anti-ship will sink all south african navy warships....FACT !!!

https://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4561/01nu31.jpg

CraigB: You need to lay off Wiki sometimes, Mr fakeman.


"None of the bunker’s survivors heard the shot that killed Hitler. At 15.15 on April 30th, Bormann, Goebbels, Heinz Linge, Hitler’s valet, Otto Gunshce and Artur Axmann, Head of the Hitler Youth, entered Hitler’s sitting room. Gunsche and Linge wrapped the body of Hitler in a blanket and carried it to the Reich Chancellery garden. Eva Braun’s body was also carried up and laid next to Hitler’s. Both bodies were laid near to the bunker’s exit. The bodies were drenched in petrol and set alight. Both Bormann and Goebbels watched this. Goebbels later committed suicide. Bormann disappeared and his body was never found, sparking off rumours that he managed somehow to flee to South America."

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/death_of_adolf_hitler1.htm

dont challenge me on military topics, i drink war history like water. i have defeated all south african soldiers many times on this forum, so who are you ? ...fool !

"Tests on skull fragment cast doubt on Adolf Hitler suicide story
Bone with bullet hole found by Russians in 1946 came from an unknown woman, not the German leader"


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/27/adolf-hitler-suicide-skull-fragment

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zaandrew: Real you got to stop doubting me

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9923:denel-dynamics-punting-umkhonto-to-vietnam&catid=51:Sea&Itemid=106

is now proven as a surface-to-air and surface-to-surface missile in high clutter naval environments including littoral water and land warfare scenarios

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i have read and analysed that your source many times many months ago, thats where i got information that Umkhonto was ONLY tested against a slow speed aircraft sea skua drone UAV...nothing else was tested.

Umkhonto missile has NEVER been tested against any sea level anti-ship missile, America does not buy weapons based on claims by a marketing manager of s company like DENEL posting a weapon claiming it can do what it has never been tested to do.....south africa is a land of fools indeed

i know much more about real life battlefield operation than the DENEL marketing manager trying to sell Umkhonto missile with a false claim that was NOT tested in reality....DENEL is just looking for money desperately....they will get south african navy valour frigate sunk with a false mis-leading claim of 'all-round' protection that was NEVER tested till today...FRAUD

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zaandrew: Sea skimming is not new and all modern navel SAMs can beat it

[img]http://4.bp..com/-zY4FyLjJME8/UIfkTUnt-ZI/AAAAAAAAIGY/z2jQxEApqIE/s1600/arado_ar_tew_16_43_19_zerstorer.gif[/img]

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6540:fact-file-denel-dynamics-umkhonto-short-range-infra-red-guided-point-air-defence-missile-system-&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

The Umkhonto missile system provides point defence against high-speed aircraft and missiles at ranges up to 12km. The system provides all-round protection, including zenith, and has a “very high saturation level” through the use of vertical launching, automatic flight control together with multi-targeting capabilities.

i dont get deceived by DENEL marketing managers' sales strategy to claim what Umkhonto missile has NEVER been tested to do, DENEL tested the missile at home and abroad ONLY against a slow speed sea skua drone UAV and other aircraft UAVs, NEVER tested against a sea skimming missile with sea hugging near water speed of about 1,200km/hr like nigerian Otomat missile.....soweto fools

i follow world standard principles of military combat, i dont follow the words of a DENEL marketing manager who does not know how real war is fought....i dare DENEL to show me where they tested Umkhonto SAM against any other enemy missile to prove Umkhonto as an anti-missile missile.

we in defense industry DO NOT accept weapons to do what they have NOT been tested to do...we dont live by assumptions or guessing...it leads to failure on battlefield and death of many soldiers who were misled to believe they are well protected. fact !!!

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zaandrew: actually the umkhonto can be used in a ground attack roll but that is a waist

what does it sound like if i wake up tomorrow and claim Roland SAM can be used against a Rooikat armoured vehicle ? wont you call me a fool ?

show me a test where Umkhonto missile was used in ground attack...post source for that claim...post it, i am waiting...chef/cook of soweto navy

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zaandrew: je said your most trusted not the most trusted. Aka he is saying a source you trust.

let him post the story from beegeagle.....america has shekau on wanted list, if he alive today, america will be the first to announce it and resume the man-hunt....use your brain at least once in a while...dumbo buffoon

Fighter Pilot: Even your most trusted beegeagle has confirmed that was Shekau's video. The one before it was an imposter and the last month one was a real one.

post that beegeagle source weblink and let us all read it

....and why do you now call beegeagle a trusted source ? the same beegeagle posted nigerian made Epe missile tested range as 70km in 2012 and 120km in 2013 and all you south africans refused to believe him....now you call him trusted for the sake of shekau's video....

judge yourself now

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zaandrew: Sorry but where do you get this bull. The umkhonto was built to stop sea skimmimg ASM, aircraft and any thing that flys. So please don't embatise your self.

show me source to prove the above claim...Umkhonto missile is a surface to air missile, NOT surface to surface that will hunt after an Otomat anti-ship missile that is skimming sea surface almost touching the ocean waters....fool.

show me source that says Umkhonto missile is designed and tested against a sea skimming anti-ship missile like Otomat...show me source !

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Adolf Hitler's body never found...and no grave

Accounts differ as to the cause of death; one that he died by poison only and another that he died by a self-inflicted gunshot, while biting down on a cyanide capsule. Contemporary historians have rejected these accounts as being either Soviet propaganda or an attempted compromise in order to reconcile the different conclusions.

One eye-witness recorded that the body showed signs of having been shot through the mouth, but this has been proven unlikely.

There is also controversy regarding the authenticity of skull and jaw fragments which were recovered. In 2009, DNA tests were performed on a skull Soviet officials had long believed to be Hitler's. The tests revealed that the skull was actually that of a woman less than 40 years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Adolf_Hitler

there is NO photo of German WORLD WAR II leader Adolf Hitler's body....and his grave is NOT known since 1945 till today

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Fighter Pilot: IS A LIE!!! Umkhonto is fully capable of providing an all round defence against any attack. All anti ship missiles are slower than Umkhonto, hence Umkhonto sense them approaching from kilometres away. Umkhonto also has the capability of multiple firing, meaning is able to fire more missiles at one time.

show me any source in this world that says a surface to air missile is used to defend against sea skimming surface to surface missile. show me that source....fool....show me

Fighter Pilot: manager Machiel Oberholzer says the Umkhonto is optimised to shoot down anti-ship missiles

quote the source for the above claim, we are waiting !

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Fighter Pilot: It will be very stupid to use your missiles at that range. Do you even forget that all our MEKOs are armed with umkhonto missiles which are optimised to shoot down any approaching anti ship missile and air fighters. The Umkhonto provides an all round defence, from air to the water surface and has a sensitive head to detect any approaching missiles and air attacks.

Your NNS Arandu will never defeat our four valour class warships and subs which are armed with UGM84 Hapoons anti ship missiles. You will fire all your 40 otomats to no avail for they will be stopped by the most versatile Ukhonto missiles. After you have fired all your missiles it will be the end of your navy my friend.

please dont drag this thread backwards, i proved to @saengine on this forum june/july that south african valour frigate has no defense against multiple attack of nigerian NNS Aradu Otomat anti-ship missile.

please dont let me disgrace you here, Otomat missile is sea hugging and skimming at about 6 feet above the water surface, Umkhonto missile is NOT designed to stop anti-ahip missiles that skim water surface at about supersonic speed, Umkhonto can only stop air borne high or medium altitude missiles with slow speed like cruise missiles, Umkhonto missile is NOT a standard anti-missile missile, dont let me use my civilian uniform to disgrace your military uniform again here today



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zaandrew: This has been dissmised has a lie a long time ago. SA is unable to this a secruit because do you realy think there comrads will not speak out. And there is no punishment for revealing a conspiracy.

thank you very much....so all the claims your south african friends have been posting since some days ago that nigerian army underestimated its casualties in recent battles with boko haram, is also eqaully false, and a lie to be dismissed...nigeria too is unable to keep secret because their comrades will speak out in CONFIRMED and RELIABLE public sources/media...anything less than that is a big lie

nigerian army casualty figures remain fact and tru as published by army headquaters.

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Fighter Pilot: Where is his body?

where is Adolf Hitler's body and grave

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[size=16pt]the man that defeated south african army....great Djotodia[/size]


this is the great man that ploted and executed the downfall of the south african army in CAR bangui...he made the overrated DENEL equipped army to run fast enough to rival Usain Bolt as they escaped from illiterate seleka farmer rebels....

the only thing that makes south african soldiers to be men is their D..I..C..K, they are 100% women in their cowardly hearts...always tormented by the fear of coming death, even before that death appears

south african army has the hearts of women and could not find any military type of courage to return to CAR and defeat Seleka, the man who disgraced south africa is still going to parties and functions in his nice suit and tie

the great Michel Djotodia

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8391/8591711568_2da08a03f5.jpg


http://panafricannews..ca/2013/03/central-african-republic-rebel-chief-to.html



[size=16pt]nigerian army k.ills boko haram's number one leader...Shekau[/size]


Shekau has not been seen on you tube or aljazeera again since many months ago, his usual weekly ritual of video making has stopped...nigerian army infantry men have sent boko haram's number one leader to his early grave....ROAST IN HADES OF FIRE, LATE ABUBAKAR SHEKAU


http://www..com/talk/topic,168301.0.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23761048


the late boko haram leader shekau...now in his final grave...soul roasting in hades

https://thecitizenng.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Boko-Haram-leader-Abubakar--620x330.jpg


[size=16pt] now we know which army has real powerful soldiers that will delete the leader of the enemy forces [/size]


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Fighter Pilot: LIES EXPOSED!!!

NIGERIA LOST 35 SOLDIERS.

35 soldiers killed in August 4 clash with Boko Haram

Posted on Sunday, August 11th, 2013

By Stella Odueme-Omona   (Abuja) and Sunny Nwankwo (Maiduguri )

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Gen Chris Olukolade

How many soldiers actually lost their lives last week when they clashed with the deadly Islamic insurgents Boko Haram in Borno State?

And why would the military authorities play down on the number of deaths of their personnel only for them to detail the military plane last week to pick relations of the actual number of soldiers who died in the clash for their burial?

This is the riddle that family members and friends of the deceased soldiers are trying to unravel.

Sunday Independent investigation has shown that contrary to reports by the military command in Borno State that only two soldiers were killed in last Sunday (August 4, 2013) clash between the Multi-National Joint Task Force (MNJTF) and Boko Haram insurgents, 35 soldiers loss their lives in the encounter.

Spokesperson for the Joint military Task Force (JTF), Lt. Col. Sagir Musa had earlier said the MNJTF successfully repelled Boko Haram terrorists attack when the insurgents launched twin attacks on Mobile Police Base and Bama town.

His words: Terrorists using sophisticated weapons and Improvised Explosive Devices (IED) launched attacks at about 6:45 a.m. on August 4, 2013. The encounter led to the death of one policeman and 17 Boko Haram terrorists; two soldiers were also wounded.

Musa also added that two soldiers were killed in another separate attack on the operatives of the MNJTF.

[size=16pt]50 south african soldiers k.illed by Seleka rebels....Truth Exposed[/size]



"Johannesburg - Would it be possible for the South African Defence Force (SANDF) to conceal the deaths of at least 23 more soldiers in last month’s battle with Seleka rebels in the Central African Republic (CAR) – and perhaps upwards of 37 more?

The government announced that 13 soldiers had died in the battle and 27 were wounded. It named the 13 dead and their bodies were publicly returned to South Africa to be honoured and buried today.

But the Seleka rebels have told local and international media they killed at least 36 soldiers in the fighting around the capital, Bangui, between March 22 and 24. And Radio France Internationale has quoted an anonymous source who claimed to have seen at least 50 body bags being loaded onto a SA Airforce C-130 Hercules cargo aircraft for transport back to South Africa on March 25, a day after the fighting ended."



http://www.iol.co.za/news/africa/seleka-rebels-dispute-death-toll-of-soldiers-1.1496538#.UjuZxcbOlPI




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Fighter Pilot: Oops!! Exocet is on the same league with otomat. It has a range of 70-180Km, infact most of the anti-ship missiles can only reach that far other than American navy's modified anti-ship Harpoon missiles which can reach upto 240km.

Here are the specifications of Exocet missile.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exocet

south african version of Exocet missile is Block 2 with range of only 72km maximum, you should be ashamed that a nigerian civilian is teaching you a south african military officer about south african weapons limitations and weaknesses...fool


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exocet

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