₦airaland Forum

Patchesagain:
No, your assumption is that American muslims would hate america and that the American armed services would not be able to stop them

Both are false

American Muslims carried out 911 attack in New York, or you think Boko Haram did it? Fool at forty.

Patchesagain:
Look at their arsenal

Or do you want me to google that for you?

You have no source to back up your lies.

Prove your claim, burden of proof is on you, same way I proved that Roland shõt down bombs in Falklands war.....now Citation needed for your claim today that France and Spain phased out Roland.....prove it or you are a shame to the whole coloured race of Cape Colony !
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jln115:
1. Ours are mounted on Samils and can go anywhere were the rest of our Vehicles can go.

2. Anything that big you also wont be crossing in your Cobra, with a max speed of 8km on water.

3. Uhm.... They used amphibious assault ships and small amphibious crafts to lunch troops and equipment from the SEE, we also have amphibious assault craft in service with our navy, of course nothing substantial like a Mistral Class, but hey!! neither does Nigeria.

The SANDF armoured bridge launchers are just as big and heavy as those of Nigeria, there is a standard or else a tank cannot drive over the launched bridge, anything less than standard to carry 60 ton tanks will collapse. You should pay me for all these free education.

The allies use amphibious Sherman battle tanks to swim the sea and break through German concrete bunker and pill boxes that were killing allied infantry like mosquitoes.

No army drives everywhere with bridge launchers hoping to meet a river. You buy amphibious armoured vehicle's like Nigeria.

iblawi:
Lesson from South Africa


United Kingdom is not Britain and Britain is not United Kingdom.

What a lesson

Bros I dey praise God say I no go school for South Africa, Aki and Pawpaw for know geography pass me!

Henry240:
You Saffers are borderline retarrds!

-It doesn't matter if a country if fighting at home or abroad when that said country has the single largest force projection in the history of mankind.

- It also doesn't matter if the said country has the largest resources in the history of mankind to deal with the insurgency

- It also doesn't matter if the said country has the single largest intelligence infrastructure in the history of mankind.

- It simply doesn't matter if the said country unilaterally invades other countries and unilaterally suspends the constitution of the country's it invades.


It simply doesn't matter you retarrd.


Making arrests and bombing Syria doesn't end an insurgency, hence the French are in Nigeria begging our Intelligence units to help them build capacity.

Honestly bros, I thank God I am not South African, my head for dull pass Baba Suwe
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andrewza:
Unsusfully? For 20 years they successfully held Northern Ireland and at no point did the IRA ever capture ground. The IRA where forced to fight like they did because every time it became a battle between them and the British Army they lost. This is not the case in Nigeria where BH as stormed military bases captured towns and drove around in stolen APCs. Britain did far bettet than Nigeria ever did.

So how you can compare the 2 i dont know.

IRA is trapped on a tiny land mass surrounded by Atlantic ocean and have no means of importing antiaircraft cannon in hundreds like Boko Haram did through Chad, Niger Republiqué and Cameroon....or else if they had that firepower, they will overrun British army bases.
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jln115:
Jap, im not arguing , but we're not only talking about Guns and Missiles here, we are talking about some of the most advanced air defence radars in the world.

And only GBADS phase 1 has been completed. GBADS phase 2 will be completed in late 2016 or early 2017 when the Umkhonto SAM system has been completed,all our Oerlikon GDF 007 have been delivered and we receive the RSR-320 radar system, GBADS phase 3 will only be completed around 2019 when we acquire a long range SAM(Most likely the Marlin) ect ect

Nigeria would have bought Akash SAM by that time.

Patchesagain:
1. Ireland is a different country - Irish live there, not the English

Fool at forty.

North East Nigeria is a different country called Kanem Bornu empire - Kanuris live there, not the Nigerians.

Fool at forty.

andrewza:
It is British territory as munch as Nigeria, South Africa, India, extra was there territory. Yeah it belonged to them but it was not them. There is a difference. That tiny piece of water separating Ireland from Britain makes a big difference.

Same Britain sailed a massive army, navy, and air force across the massive Atlantic ocean about 15,000 km away from home to defend and win back Falkland Island from Argentine military forces, so why is a small piece of water a 'big' barrier to hinder British military operations in Northern Island? You sure you are in the navy? Or are you employee of a fishing company catching crabs and sardines?

andrewza:
Again its geology. Nothern Ireland is located in Ireland and is part of the UK Great Britain normally called Britain is a Island witch has 3 countries in it England, Scotland and Wales. These 3 countries form the UK along with Northern Ireland form the UK.

British prime minister is the ruler of Northern Ireland, or you elected a separate prime minister for Northern Ireland? Laws passed in the British Parliament are binding on Northern Ireland.

If Northern Ireland is not part of the British empire, then Boko Haram's area of influence is not part of Nigeria because the Boko region was actually a separate Kanem Bornu empire before it was merged with the rest of Nigeria by force under British colonization.

You seem to be drunk with over-brewed local beer from the way you think this morning.

stillchris:
These south Africans are very foolish in thinking.

Insurgency is insurgency regardless of the cause because every militant fights for a different cause.

Islamic insurgency
Insurgency born from secessionist movement
Insurgency born from racial apartheid etc...

Britain fought insurgency in it's borders for 20 years (you fools couldn't dispute that).

Now you fools are shifting to "how does BH relate to a secessionist insurgency having agrees Britain failed to defeat it for 20 good years.

Dumb Zulus I tells ya

Like Patches would tell you that a Marine is not an army man.....maybe he thinks they are special police

andrewza:
It not military is geology.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain

Ireland is not in Britain. Ireland is a separate land mass. This is the full name of the UK

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

Notice Ireland is separate since it is not part of Britain.

You should know people use the names Britain and United Kingdom interchangeably with no intention to mislead, just convenient to use.

Northern Ireland is governed by British prime minister, and he is globally called BRITISH PRIME MINSTER all over the world.

Learn to use common sense when you read people's comments

andrewza:
I see no begging. I see france wishing to share information and best practice. This is hardly the big event you all makeing it. Fact is you been fighting radical islamic groups longer than france so of course they want to see how uou do it. A smart man learns from his mistake's and smater man learns from other's. Same thing happened when Coalition forces started to suffer losses to mines. They noticed how others delt with it and copied it.

Does this means french intelligence agencies need nigeria? No they tracked down the leaders of the attack just fine, will this new found knowledge stop attacks? No since Nigeria is attacked all the time. What france gains is a greater understanding of there enemy. Art of war know your self and the enemy and you win every battle.

You are a mystic mind reader of the French ?

stillchris:
Northern Ireland, a part of the United Kingdom, is emerging from a period of conflict known as "the Troubles" and is attempting to implement an historic peace deal
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/country_profiles/4172307.stm

I guess I'm qualified to call you an id1ot then

Lol, andrewza thinks Northern Ireland is at the tip of the north pole near Iceland

DieVluit:
So if BH has been largely defeated and not destroyed, how does that deal with the simple argument that you are failing? It's very simple. Nigeria fights BH at home. Nigeria fails at its fights. Have you succeeded? No. It's very simple.

By the way, why are you shouting? Frustration much?

SANDF is busy failing at operation Corona in their own fatherland against ordinary cross border smugglers and robbers that are 10,000 times weaker than Boko Haram that has anti-aircraft cannon and rockets.

Go fix your failing homeland army before you condemn others.

DieVluit:
Very smart of you to respond to "no content:".

You asked for the "shifting" of arguments, which clearly is an acceptance that you are begging us to move from the US example to your Britain one.

Only problem is, you are yet to show us how what happened in the Uk justifies Nigeria's failures at home.

Whenever you are ready, with thanks. You mean, the secessionist issue that the UK was dealing with. Pray tell, how is that similar to the BH issue?

If you say Nigerian army fails at home, it means that the Great British army equally failed at home, or you have two different yardsticks for judging an African army and an European army ? Juvenile illiterate !

andrewza:
There was no insurgency in Britain. There was terrorism there yes but the insurrection took place in Ireland. Any body unable to grasp the fact that Britain and Ireland are not the same is not qualfied to call any body a idiotic. Not to mention Ireland had been fighting for independence on and off since 1536 when the English re-conquer Ireland. The UK successfully resolved the issue through diplomacy mutch like South Africa delt with there issues.

Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Irish are NOT a separate nation, they are ruled by the same British prime minister and queen. IRA is as much terrorist as Book Haram....both are insurgents ....what kind of English dictionary do you use at home, the one written by a carpenter?

patches689:
Why am i butthurt that france wants to coordinate witg you?

.....because it was the opposite case for you in Bangui.

patches689:
So nothing but range is relevant?

Fool

It's South Africans who like to boast about range....blah blah G-6 Rhino has longest range blah blah

DieVluit:
I realise your shortcomings. And because of those shortcomings, you need to compare apples with apples. Fighting insurgency at home is nothing like fighting insurgency abroad. The US is fighting insurgency abroad and the fact that they still have not won is no justification for Nigeria's failures at home. The question to be asked is whether Al Qaeda etc would still be active if they were based and operating in the US. You know the answer to that...it's a resounding no.

Your failures at home are unacceptable. BH has not been reduced to anything. Instead, they have grown into the deadliest terror group on the planet. This happened under your military's watch. Ample opportunity to wipe them off, you had. But fail, you did.

50% of Nigeria is Islamic by religion, if Americs has 50% like Nigeria that means about 150 million Islamic believers as citizens living in America, then New York will be worse than Paris in terrorist attacks. How many million Islamists do you have as citizens of South Africa?
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DieVluit:
The U.S military is not fighting insurgents on American soil. It is fighting in foreign lands. Nigeria is fighting at home in a land the size of two U.S states, and it is failing. You cannot compare the two.

American marines and British marines are trained and equipped to fight in foreign countries, US Marines don't fight on American soil, so they are failing where their traditional duty post is....Marines home is in foreign lands. Just educated you free of charge.

DieVluit:
The U.S military is not fighting insurgents on American soil. It is fighting in foreign lands. Nigeria is fighting at home in a land the size of two U.S states, and it is failing. You cannot compare the two.

Great Britain fought a modern day IRA insurgency war for 27 years on British soil you dunce !
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onatisi:
but the question is why is the fight against boko haram so difficult if Nigeria truly possess all these military capabilities

Ask America and Britain why their super power weapons have not defeated Taliban terrorists in Afghanistan after 13 years of war......also ask USA, UK, Canada, France, etc have not defeated ISIS after 8,000 air bombardments by the most powerful air forces in this world.

Meanwhile, Nigerian military has reduced Book Haram to Okada riders and bicycle riders, 90% of them have been killed and all their armoured vehicles destroyed .

andrewza:
MRS deploys for these exsizes. They do river and lake patrols.


Training in indoors? Well yes we have the best simulators in africa we all so have one of the worlds largest training grounds with a shooting range messuerd in killometers. We all so train with countless other countries from the American, dutch, Namibian, English, Botswanan, DRC, Germany, hell there have been Nigerian sailors training here he did our NBCD training. Your argumants have become more and more ridicules you are the sole reason i am not active here. Reading your posts makes me feel stupid.

Nope, you ran away because I made you realize your military, SANDF, SAN, SAAF are mere paper tigers..... Sure I made you look silly many times, you don't dare a Nigerian next time.

patches689:
As i said, France phased it out for the Mistral

Spain phased it outbin favour of the weapons I listed

Citation needed that France and Spain phased out Roland. Liar !!!!
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patches689:
So why do you need amphibious capabilities?

Armoured bridge launchers are super huge and too heavy to drive everywhere in battle, no army does that, so armies own amphibious light armoured vehicles instead.

Will you use bridge launcher to cross lake Chad, lake Victoria ....many lakes and rivers are far wider than your bridge launcher ! Fool !

How do your engineers build a bridge across Atlantic ocean during amphibious landing kilometres away from ocean shore? You fooool !!!

NATO will NEVER phase out amphibious armoured vehicles, that is what they used to defeat Germany at Normandy invasion, no alternative to it.

SANDF will drown in amphibious war theatre, Nigerian army will wipe out SANDF in such warfare
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patches689:
1. Yes, but what is the maximum they can resist? Patria can resist up to 30mm on the frontal arc. They DO NOT have the same STANAG ratings - fact

2. No - Marines are not army, they are Marines (thats why they have a special name)

3. M113 is in reserve used by National Guard or in specialist units (EW/Chem and Bio Warfare) LAV is being phased out - they are abandoning amohibious capabilities in favour of armor

Another pack of lies and falsehood

patches689:
Uhmkonto is moments away from introduction

Oerlikon is CRAM and is the most advanced SSHORAD sustem in ss-Africa

Starstreak has a 5km ceiling and is the most advanced VSHORAD on the continent

All of this is linked together via data-lank and some of the most advanced air search and targetting radars on the continent - it is a SYSTEM

Meanwhile, Nigeria has obsolete Roland, obsolete AAA SHORAD and beyond obsolete VSHORAD which are 50 year old shoulder launchers... no mobile radar....no data link to combine them

You dont have a decernable air defence network - just a collection of obsolete equipment

SANDF IS GENERATIONS AHEAD

Liar, big liar !!!
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Patchesagain:
France use Mistral not Roland

Spain adopted the MIM-23 HAWK and MIM-104 Patriot, no one knows if their Rolands are still in active service

France has thousands of Roland missiles in service you nincompoop, they built Roland and own it.

Spain has Roland in service today, no report of retirement.

Slovenia is a NATO member and just acquired Roland missile around year 2005.

Only fear makes you South Africans wish Roland is retired worldwide, but your daydream is a wast of time, Roland is still active worldwide.

# THRASHED BY ROLAND MASTERS

Patchesagain:
As I have shown Nigeria does not posses the logistics to support a water crossing

Nigeria have Vickers armoured bridge launchers you fool. Also NA army engineers build assault course bridges with ease, see photos on bidexii's thread, we are doing in on battlefields today.

Patchesagain:
South Africa had the option of buying an amphibious vehicle with the Badger - but we chose ARMOR over the ability to swim

You chose extra UNDER BELLY ARMOUR for land mine protection only, the hull of Badger is still penetrable by ordinary Boko Haram 12.7 mm Dshk machine guns.

Your army doctrine simply lacks amphibious capability, your military academy must be retaaared in thinking.

Badger IFV is not in service until year 2022 according to new reports from defenceweb posted by snydergp

Patchesagain:
1. No those vehicals do not have the same STANAG ratings

2. We are talking about ARMY not MARINES - OBVIOUSLY Marines need amphibious vehicles.

3. M113 has been pushed out of frontline service, LAV-25 is being retired.

You have humiliated no one but yourself

1. All those vehicles can only resists 7.62mm bullets. Any difference will be an MRAP with under chassis armour for land mines.

2. Marines are an army that has extra capability for water terrain ops you dunce !

3. US Army has M113 and LAV-25 in current service, or you stole them away and burned them to ashes? NOT retired yet you liar.