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jln115:
Oerlikon, Skyshield radar , Starstreak, Thutlwa radar system , Umkhonto SAM ect ect ect are all part of GBADS , GBADS isn't a single unit, its a combination of many different Air defence systems. Some of the systems we already have, like the Oerlikon GDF 007, Starstreak, Thutlwa ect ect.

Thats why i said our GBADS isn't finished yet.

You have no land based Umkhonto in service.

Oerlikon is a mere cannon not missile.

Thutlwa is a mere radar not connected to any missile in service today.

Starstreak is a mere MANPAD missile with fvcking 1 km max ceiling.

SANDF air defence is one of the weakest in Africa today.

mzilakazi:
Roland is an old cargo of 1980 and its shelve life has passed long ago. It might not be fully functional as in present. You were supposed to have upgraded long ago.

Post citation for Roland missile shelf life.

Spain, a NATO power is still using Roland SAM today, even France a world power is said to have Roland in service as there is no proof they retired them. NATO member Slovenia just acquired Roland missiles in year 2005 or so. Dare a Nigerian Roland missile and die young.

lionel4power:
BREAKING NEWS OOOOO

FRANCE BEGS NIGERIA TO HELP THEM FIGHT TERRORISM

Following recent terrorists’ attacks in Paris which killed over 130 persons, the French Director of Military Intelligence, General Christopher Gormert,
today paid an official visit to the Nigerian Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA), seeking knowledge on how Nigerian security agencies are currently confronting the Boko Haram terrorist group.

According to Gen. Gormert , “In the area of geo- spatial intelligence, we will seriously rely on you to help us develop that capacity. We are in the process of setting up that department. It’s my first time in Abuja and it’s a good reason to visit you on Boko Haram and see how we can share
intelligence; that is the reason for my visit.” He stated further that, “I believe in building up capacity we must leverage on our capable partners like you to help us from the level which we were, to a higher level . “Like you know this phenomenon of global terrorism is catching all nations napping. It’s
something we did not prepare for including developing countries like Nigeria. We have to evolve new ways of tackling them and stamp
them out of existence”. Meanwhile, Nigeria’s CDI, Air Vice Marshal Monday Riku Morgan had expressed “sympathy with the entire community of France, and particularly the people of Paris, for the mischievous attack carried out by the terrorists on their city.” “ As a nation, we understand the feelings that you are going through right now, because we have
the same nuisance in our hands,” he said. He recalled the visit of President Buhari to France early this year, which he said ‘’ brought about the serious synergy that both security organizations have today, between the French government and Nigeria in terms of intelligence sharing”. “I want to assure you that your visit is highly plausible. I recall that during a visit to Senegal
with the Chief of Defence Staff, we spoke on very serious bilateral issues on the need to encourage our Francophone brother nations to give us the neccesary support to defeat Boko Haram.
“We think that henceforth, such daily intelligence sharing will keep happening and this will effectively change the situation in the north
east,” AVM Morgan said.
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some countries fighting terrorism
USA
Russia
Israel
Iraq
Syria
Ethiopia
Egypt
Lebanon
Afghanistan
Pakistan
Kenya

Yet they begged us to help them... NIGERIA MILITARY HAS NO EQUAL

http://dailypost.ng/2015/11/25/french-government-seeks-nigerias-assistance-in-terrorism-war/?wt=3

[size=15pt] Mighty France begging Nigerian military for help....see the opposite....South African military was begging France for help in Bangui.

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Nigerian military's major exercises or war games are not photographed, video recorded, or published if the operation is totally a Nigerian affair with no foreign joint participant. People think Nigeria does not train on large scale, but they regularly do.

Operation OLOGUN META.....year 2009....Nigerian Ex-President Yar Adua watches with a long range binoculars.

"A Brigade of the Nigerian Army, three mother naval cat class-warships – NNS KYANWA, NNS OBULA and NNS NWAMBA - and six squadrons of Nigerian Air Force aircraft are participating in in the exercise. Chief of Defence Staff, Air Chief Marshal Paul Dike, explained that the conduct of the joint exercise was borne out of “the desire to exercise our troops in a tri-service setting.

The exercise involved beach landing operations, riverine operations and insertion of troops, advance quick attack, deliberate attack phase and internal security operations.

Chief of Defence Staff, Air Chief Marshal Paul Dike, explained that the conduct of the joint exercise was borne out of “the desire to exercise our troops in a tri-service setting in year 2009.

The exercise, he said, “will essentially serve as a platform for us to test our intelligence gathering abilities, check the interoperability of our communication facilities as well as testing our Command and Control capability. At the end of the whole exercise, the lessons learnt will be used in improving our operational procedures in current and future operations,” he said.

The Nigerian military last held an exercise of this magnitude in May 2004, when it organised Operation TAKUTE EKPE in Lagos.

The exercise climaxed display of months of operations, weeks of reconnaissance and days of rehearsals. The officers and men involved in JOPEX 09 were involved in beach landing operations, harbour defence, riverine operations and insertion of troops, advance quick attack, deliberate attack phase and Internal Security Operations (ISOs).

The beach landing part of the exercise had commenced last Monday just as the Chief of Defence Staff, Air Chief Marshal Paul Dike was finishing his welcome address. It involved the simulation of naval and combat aircraft bombardments boomed all around the surrounding beachfront, signalling the start of assault on enemy positions."
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jln115:
Dude how fast do your vehicles travel on water?? 8km if your lucky, the same speed that a person walks! Your pretty much in the same boat as we are!!

Secondly your Sagaie can barely be called a Tank destroyer, hell you would struggle to destroy a T55 with its 90mm gun never mind a T72 or even worse a Olifant MK1B/2.

Forget about water speed or gun turret, Nigeria has amphibious tank destroyer that fires anti tank shells. South Africa has ZERO amphibious armoured vehicles. We are better than you. Try go buy one first before analysing what you don't have

Patchesagain:
If you wish to claim the facts are wrong then post facts of your own.

You said we do not conduct Brigade level combat operations - I gave you a list of around 30 of them.

Wikipedia is NOT an acceptable source here, you have been caught deleting and falsifying Wikipedia information many time.

SANDF has NEVER and will NEVER deploy a full brigade into battle, you do NOT have that capacity yet. NA is your master in big wars.

jln115:
Explain to me Augustine, so Nigeria only fights wars with LAVs? what happens when your opponent has a proper armoured force? and there is a water obstruction? Are you only going to send in your LAVs to take on Tanks??

What are you going to do when roads are flooded? How are you going to get your Tanks, Artillery ect ect from point A to B? Or are your Tanks amphibious to?

Lastly it could takes us mere minutes to build a bridge depending on the size of the obstruction.

How many minutes precisely? 30 minutes is also minutes. The enemy needs only one minute to bombard SANDF with cannon fire while your helpless SANDF is trapped at the waterside, Nigerian army will BURY SANDF inside the river !

Olodo boy, Nigeria has armoured amphibious Sagaie tank destroyers for fighting tanks after amphibious crossing.

SANDF has inferior operational capability, NA is your boss.

Patchesagain:
1. You did not do that to Biafra - and your amphib ops in that war were all complete failures
1a. Such an operation does not fit our doctrine or the political situation at the time.

Also, Nigeria has not amphibious warfare capabilities either - or do you have a secret landing amphibious dock we dont know about

2.Ok
New british IFV/APC
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/scout-specialist-vehicle/

American wheeled IFV - not amphib
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryker

Latest Bradley IFV upgrades removed Amphibious capabilities
http://www.g2mil.com/bradley.htm

What you fail to realize is that amphibious vehicles dont have proper armor, light armor means easy to kill. Since Nigeria has no real warfighting experience you do not yet know this, and since your units are expected to fight without support (because you lack training) your men are expected to cross rivers by themselves.

Water obsticles can be crossed with bridges. Dead soldiers cant be fixed.

You still using another Wikipedia as source again....Desperate in defeat....that source goes into garbage with all you wrote there.

Less armour for amphibious vehicle? BTR-4, BTR-3, Cobra, VBL, Mbombe, Ratel, Badger, all have same level ballistic protection on their hulls you dummy !

British Marines have Viking amphibious armoured vehicles.

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/the-equipment/commando/vehicles


US Army has over 5,000 M113 amphibious armoured vehicles.

US Marines have over 1,000 AAVP-7A1 amphibious armored vehicles.

US Marines have over 400 LAV-25 amphibious IFVs

US Marines has just bought a new generation amphibious armoured vehicle to add thousands more to their amphibious current fleet...

http://news.yahoo.com/u-marines-set-announce-combat-vehicle-contract-223133818--finance.html

I have not humiliiated y.ou enough today Patrick ?


Patches , SANDF does NOT rank among modern armies with balanced war capacity, you have a dry land only army

Nigerian army has terrain operational superiority over SANDF
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Patchesagain:
Read the list

Your Wikipedia source is NOT acceptable here, I wont read garbage.

Patchesagain:
How is what Nigeria does different to "Rugby Footbal match" that we do?

The main point is - how is SANDF "rugby football tactics wrong"

I keep asking but you are never able to respond

I have answered your question again and again.

1. Nigerian training includes both land, air, sea and amphibious ops all combined. We are different from your army that is stuck on dry land.

2. The Rugby stadium tactics of SANDF is NOT fluid, it is static with set piece low mobility, it lacks fluidity needed in modern day warfare.

3. Also the SANDF training lacks the high speed mobility needed to defeat modern day fast paced asymmetric warfare. Your army war games training has ZERO asymmetric component.

I HAVE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION AND PROVED MY FACTS RIGHT WITH THE ABOVE.

5. Training > Experience you keep saying....but Nigeria has both, you have only one, we have the two. NA outclasses SANDF with that.

SANDF is a paper tiger, that is why AU and UN cannot trust you to lead any mission, Tanzanian army is your boss in Congo

Patchesagain:
SANDF has never deployed a Brigade into war in 70 years? Here is a list of about 30
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_operations_of_the_South_African_Border_War

Your list does not tell us how many troops were deployed in each of those operations, it could have been 400 men for some of those deployments, a brigade is about 5,000 men and SANDF has NOT achieved that in 70 years. Nigeria does it constantly for 25 years non-stop, we will whoop your weak chicken army AZZ if we meet in combat with your rookie greenhorn ZERO experience army

You quoted Wikipedia that frauds like you can edit and post false data?

Desperado Patrick now using Wikipedia as source, it all goes into the thrash bin, no Wiki here dude !

Patchesagain:
1. We didnt have a problem in Angola - a land full of rivers and against an enemy with many amphibious vehicles
2. We is the US/UK abandoning Amphibious vehicles?

1. You actually had a problem, your lack of large scale amphibious warfare capability stopped you from landing a huge amphibious force inside Angola to cut off Cuban forces from behind and trap them to get killed in HAMMER & ANVIL battlefield strategy, that was how Nigeria defeated Biafra and broke the stalemate that was happening on land warfare only.

South Africa lacks amphibious warfare capability.

2. Citation to prove US/UK are abandoning amphibious vehicles.....prove it !
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Patchesagain:
You have only had one Brigade exercise in the last decade.

FACT

You also have no force projection - meaning amphibious operations training is pointless.

And fact is, the fighting happens on the land - and we focus on that. So while you are messing around with small numbers of men on boats... we are doing Brigade sized and co-ordinated para-drops and armored assaults, deployment of air-mobile infantry, TALO operations etc.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quKolu3swBE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4EL-Yrw_bs

SANDF = constant brigade sized training with the most advanced training equipment on the continent
Nigeria = one exercise in a decade

Whoooosh !!! Humiliated !!!

Your two videos show NOTHING BRIGADE size, all we see are about 20 men paratroopers

Nigeria had TWO brigade size NA+NN+NAF multiple-brigade size exercises in 11 years, TAKUTE 2004 and OLOGUN 2009, in 2014 we had LAFIYA DOLE final offensive exercise of SIX BRIGADES combined, and straight from that war game they went into REAL LIFE war that South Africa has NEVER fought in that magnitude in the last 70 years !

SADF/SANDF has NEVER deployed up to one full brigade to war in the last 70 years.

Nigeria does not need yearly brigade size war games when we already deploy about 3 to 6 brigades into real war consistently for the past 25 years all over Africa in real life war, not Rugby Football match war games of South African military.

SANDF, SAN, SAAF have NEVER graduated to fighting any real tri-service war in real life, your Rugby players army never goes into any competition against real opponents, they are always stuck with training by themselves alone in an indoor hall, arranging combat forces like oranges on a table for sale by market women !

Nigeria combines training with constant war experience in real life , we are superior to you home baby sitters military.

Tell me, how does your navy SAN, participate in joint army, navy, air force war games if you only train on brown sand dry lands with no amphibious war game, your frigates and submarines drive with Dunlop or Michelin tyres on dry land to join the army on the field?

All your SANDF training is garbage to be dumped into the incinerator. Rugby Football tactics army
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jln115:
2. When we need to cross water, we just build a fvcking bridge, as easy as that.

Bwahaha

Inferior + Obsolete SANDF needs to build DURING BATTLE a bride to cross water in modern day year 2015 !!!

During speed advance, hot pursuit, retreat, or quick intervention/rapid response situations, there will be NO time to start building a bridge during an ongoing battle !

SANDF is a dry land only army.....Nigeria has about 500 amphibious armoured APCs and IFVs....your SANDF is inferior and obsolete.

Patchesagain:
How is modern warfare different to what we did?

SANDF army's 1970s ancient style RUGBY FOOTBALL TEAM STYLE exercises does not include amphibious combat war games, your army can only operate on dry land....fvcking dry land army.....and the dry land must always be brown color to match your non-versatile brownie camo uniforms.

Nigerian army brigade level exercises includes full amphibious warfare, we have a balanced training and balanced all terrain warfare capability and competence....trained to fight anywhere in the world !

Patchesagain:
Do you know what the K2 Black Panther is?

Anyway, you said that you would choose T-72 over K2 yes?

And no, Armata does not outclass any of its contemporaries.

Just because you say so? Na who u be sef?

snydergp1st:
You became a dictatorship in 1960 ruled by self serving generals who looted you out of almost $500bn.

Same way your corrupt ANC politicians are looting your treasury today.

snydergp1st:
Don't take me for a f.ool post the source do think by writing defenceweb will exonerate you from the lies you write here.

Post the source

Your countrymen say I have posted the source many times.

Patchesagain:
Yes, and in the source posted here many times by you.

It says: They were deployed for border protection and not AP

agaugust:
What is the name and data specs of the Mbombe 30 mm cannon and what is it's gunnery track record in battle ?.

Igirigi 23 mm gun is battle tested around the world in many wars for over 40 years and is perfectly reliable, accurate, deadly.... It defeated the national armies of many countries and held super power armies to stalemate in wars from Europe to Asia.

What the fück is the 30 mm gun on Mbombe ? Name it and preach about it's technical specifications so we can see.

No Southie has dared to take the challenge

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Patchesagain:
- 12 month period
- 13 companies deployed as part of Operation Corona
- contraband worth more than R100 million
- 15 tons of dagga, valued at R50 million
- 80 000 undocumented persons.
- 2 000 known criminals
- 300 stolen vehicles
- 18 000 head of livestock

Statistics Nigeria could only dream of

I see, so SANDF was only able to DISARM the UNARMED consumer goods smugglers. Congrats, your army just proved there is a fate worse than mediocrity
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jln115:
So were in the source does it say Nigeria trained the SADF or SANDF for that matter?

Nigerian military trained the ANC fighters who became top ranking Generals in SANDF....including your ex-deputy air force chief.... Nigeria built the foundation and leadership heirachy of South African armed forces of today 2015.

History cannot be changed....it has happened and on record FOREVER AND EVER !!!!!!!!
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Patchesagain:
Yes, and in the source posted here many times by you.

It says: They were deployed for border protection and not AP

Augustus, I emplore you to try to maintain a degree of honesty in your arguments

Me? No, you just proved me right, Snydergyp was the lying and denying South African special forces were deployed for border security duties where they fail daily due to poor bush tactics of your fake bush war masters who cannot succeed in their own homeland.

Patchesagain:
I never said South African Army

I said South Africa.

I have dealt with it, now you need to deal with the fact that your army is trained by South Africans who use the "obsolete 1970's tactics"

STTEP does not teach conventional warfare like your SANDF 1970s outdated Rugby or Soccer field of play tactics. Go to STTEP website, they train COIN and unconventional ops.

Dummy art thou.

This forum is about national armies ranking not private military companies doing business.

Thanks for proving that Eben Barlow training 120 Nigerian soldiers is IRRELEVANT on this forum
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Patchesagain:
Mainly composed of?

Give us a list of the trainer staff/team of STTEP....name them all.

Patchesagain:
Nigeria has spent less time as a democracy than South Africa

You were prisoners of the white man for 300 years they labelled you as dog food in your own fatherland....until my fathers saved your fathers

mzilakazi:
Nelson Mandela fought for democratisation of Nigeria.

http://www.ipsnews.net/1995/11/commonwealth-nigeria-after-heinous-act-mandela-urges-expulsion/

Nigeria became a democracy in 1960 when Mandela was still running and hiding underground after Sharpeville riots and ANC was banned, hunted.

Stop writing craaaaaazy things here, dunce !

mzilakazi:
You surely didnt read the source. It was writen in 1995 and not 1996. Mandela pushed for sanctions against Nigeria on Commonwealth, UN , AU and EU and stopped Nigerias oil trade until Nigerias military regime backed down.

It was the head of commonwealth, a Nigerian Chief Emeka Anyaokwu that led the fight not Mandela, please spare us this backward argument that has been dealt with here again and again, don't you Southies have any feeling about going backwards to arguments like retaaaards ?

mzilakazi:
Nelson Mandela as one man finished and brought down Nigeria's military regime and installed democracy in Nigeria which you are now so much enjoying.


http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1995-11-16/news/9511150464_1_giant-oil-conglomerate-nigerian-oil-nigeria-s-oil

Can you stop dragging us back to over repeated Mandela stories that are just ridiculous fantasies?

snydergp1st:
F.ool answer my question when and where did the SANDF deploy SF on our borders.

Proof to me you're not a liar. I'm getting tired of your foo.lish antics to avoid or divert issues discussed.

Posted here many times again and again, SANDF 21 battalion and Special forces are deployed for anti-Rhino poaching operations and your troops failed that simple test at home....source defenceweb and SANDF website.

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lezz:
Hahaha that's sending a corpse to its final resting place. But @patchesagain is limping badly, barely surviving.

Meanwhile, Major General Daniel Mofokeng head of SANDF foreign relations has heaped praises for the Nigerian military...excerpts below.


South Africa praises Nigerian military for its apartheid-era help

by defenceWeb, February 9, 11:54 pm

"The South African National Defence Force (SANDF) foreign relations head has praised the Nigerian Armed forces for its strong relationship with the South African military.

Major General Daniel Mofokeng, head of SANDF Foreign Relations, said Nigeria was in the forefront in the struggle against apartheid and that the country made huge sacrifices for the liberation of South Africa from minority rule.

Mofokeng said that Nigeria also offered military training and support to assist the African National Congress. According to him, Nigeria's gesture helped shore up relations between Abuja and Pretoria. "

10/10 post, thank you.

Nigerian military trained and built up the current South African military.....Case Closed

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&Itemid=111&catid=56:diplomacy-a-peace&view=article&id=23419:south-africa-praises-nigerian-military-for-its-apartheid-era-help

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mzilakazi:
South Africans trained Nigerian army.

Nigerian army trained South African national security officers on COIN warfare in our officers academy Jaji, Kaduna state, Nigeria.