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Henry120:


The F-35 Can't Beat The Plane It's Replacing In A Dogfight: Report



We’ve heard of significant shortcomings before with the fighter jet that’s supposed to be America’s future, but this is just as bad as it gets. The F-35 performed so dismally in a dogfight, that the test pilot remarked that the it had pretty much no place fighting other aircraft within visual range.


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And it’s even worse than a mere maneuverability issue. At one point, the pilot’s helmet was so big he couldn’t even turn his head inside the cockpit.


The test pilot flying the F-35 makes it very clear that the new jet, even in its ideal configuration without any external stores, was no match against a Block-40 F-16C in a less-than-ideal configuration with a pair of under-wing fuel tanks:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-f-35-cant-beat-the-plane-its-replacing-in-a-dogfigh-1714712248

Patches689 you were saying?

Cc: Agaugust

Mmmmmm !!!

Jet fighters won't win air battles just because they are expensive and made in USA or EU !

Air force pilots have always warned about visual range combat where everybody dies at the same rate. F-7 will k.ill Gripen and vice versa.

Food for thought.

I will be willing to pay $35 million for a JF-17 Thunder block III and still win my air wars
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litesea:
JF-17 promotional video in hd

http://playit.pk/watch?v=ZthdDd1Qj6A

Nice video there, really great.

The JF-17 will eventually take the major market away from all these over-priced American-European jets.

That looks like JF-17 Thunder block I video. http://playit.pk/watch?v=ZthdDd1Qj6A

Block III will be a block buster by 2017-2018 when it arrives with it's new design, new angine, new avionics and 4+ generation stuff !

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patches689:
I dont think you understood the source he posted

His source made no sense when Egypt is boasting giga-watts of solar power

RudzSA:
U won't win ...S.A is 80 yrs ahead

You failed to win as well. Asphalt tarred roads and cement buildings does not put SA country 80 years ahead of NIG.

We too have all those things in every state/province, so what ?

Even Botswana and Namibia are reputed to be as beautiful as South Africa, or you think only you has tarred roads in Africa? Fool

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The original purpose of this photo thread is to promote African military and security forces and prove to the world that we are not the incapable continent that the rest of the world think we are in military performance.

When the Boko Harm-Chibok girls kidnap happened in 2014, America and Europe insisted that Nigerian military needs their air forces to help Nigeria find the girls, but Nigeria replied that we may be blacks, but here in Africa we have air force technology equal to the best in NATO air forces and makes NAF aircraft equally capable as USAF/RAF in doing world class ISTAR operations to find the Chibok girls anywhere they may be hidden in Nigeria.

The western powers deliberately and fraudulently insisted Nigeria has no such capability and we were accused of nonchalant attitude to the kidnap saga, even small NATO countries that have no armed drones and ISTAR aircraft in the class of Nigeria, were boasting that they can help Nigeria with the equipment they themselves do not even have.

Heavy pressure of global politically motivated #BringBackOurGirls campain forced Nigeria to accept 'foreign help' in the ISTAR operations.

It became a drama to prove who is superior between USAF Predator drones/UAVs, RAF Sentinel R1 aircraft (reputed as the world's best ISTAR platform), and NAF ATR-42 Surveyor.

At different times, each air force carried out the search for as long as they wanted, they all achieved the same result. Nobody's ISTAR technology proved superior to the others. USAF, RAF, NAF all got same results, Chibok girls not found.

This thread showcases African military at their best of capabilities in photos, with some little details of information attached to explain the photos if necessary.

In line with the standard rule/format of this forum/thread, I posted the NAF ATR-42 Surveyor ISTAR aircraft as an African pride, with highlights of it's awesome world class capabilities attached to it, I have no need of posting any proof of the data that is already freely available all over the internet, I have no need to promote Italian manufacturers technical data/specs sheet, we are not here to do marketing for any private company.

The four people here, who stood up against my post on ATR-42 should be ashamed that they reacted in that offensive manner to an African pride of a platform, if I had said the ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft with that long list of capabilities belongs to Japan, those four people will not question it.

Well, I will clear the air for the world to see. Here are manufacturers official technical data sheets for the NAF ATR-42 Surveyor, it's Gabbiano T200 radar has 407 km range or 220 NM and has air to sea, air to land/ground, air to air radar modes, 360 degree radar view, 200 targets multiple simultaneous scan/tracking, it is built for primary MPA/ISTAR and secondary AWACS role. Anyone with further personal problems with NAF ATR-42 surveyor capabilities can go do personal research at home and stop disturbing the peaceful flow on this photo thread.

Thank you all, long live Africa !
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jln115:
It's not hard to advance beyond the level of the igirigi mate!! That level was so fvcking low!!

As low as South African made LAVs

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Proudly made in Nigerian Proforce APC !

Export quality, world class.

http://www.proforcedefence.com/picgallery/index.html

Federal Government of Nigeria should ban import of light armoured vehicles !

We have designed and advanced beyond the Igirigi level I think.

Our army is already meeting with Proforce, maybe FG should sign a joint venture.

It's time for Nigeria to build a real multi-role IFV with different versions for 30mm cannon, missile capability, thermal systems, laser hardware, targeting systems that can be purchased off the shelf from China/Ukraine.

Nigeria can build a $ 500,000 IFV locally and it will match a BTR-80 IFV variant.

https://www.proforcedefence.com/picgallery/images/slide-28.jpg
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MduZA:
its a township located in the western cape,it is surrounded by some informal settlements created by laborers (foreigners included) who want to be close to their work environment

Stop excusing your slums, it is South Africa, stop denying your own blood people and tribesmen on internet forum, love your country as dirty as it is, because it's still your fatherland.....never mind the dirtiness

jln115:
Hey you Poes, I wasn't using this one wind farm as my only yardstick.

Besides you say every thing South Africa had other African countries also have!

Now show me Nigeria's wind farm
Or Nigeria's nuclear reactor!

You said SA is most advanced in Africa, I replied you with Ethiopian stuff, then you now ask for Nigeria. Is Ethiopia not part of Africa? Mumu

When you compare your country with other in Africa, I can reply you with stuff from any country in Africa. This thread is an African comparison.

RudzSA:
1st world ... Dnt beat yoself up about it . We beat even yo Brazil's ,India's ,Mexico infrastructure wise .

You beat nobody, you have your mansions, they have their own. You have your South African slums and villages with no electricity in their history, they too have their own.

You beat nobody, fool

See your millions of people suffering and wallowing in South African squalor
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jln115:
South Africa enters solar power world top 10

http://www.southafrica.info/business/success/energy-080714.htm#.VZPV-t9BtAg

There is solar power all over Africa. One country is already building giga-watts....not even megawatts....giga-watts of solar power !

http://cleantechnica.com/2015/03/19/masdar-acwa-power-team-1-5-gw-solar-power-projects-egypt/

There is NOTHING in South Africa that other countries in Africa do not have. Stop talking like a poorly informed prisoner who does not have access to international news
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jln115:
Just drove past Caledon about 15 min ago, Anyway just more proof that we are the most advanced country in Africa.

You were driving around in your ANC prison yard nation.

If that windfarm is your yardstick for judgement, then Ethiopia is a more advanced country than South Africa, since the largest windfarm in Africa is in Ethiopia. See photo below.

Fools, Southie fools, all your 50 million people live inside a big prison yard where you don't know how far the outside world has advanced, there is NOTHING in South Africa that you will not find in other African countries, fool !

patches689:
We know the T72 uses ERA.

We are talking about modern tanks. Not obsolete tanks.

You were talking about modern tanks, yet you were busy comparing an obsolete T-72 tanks with a modern Challenger tank.

patches689:
You wont see the same catastrophic failure that the T-72 suffered in the video due to superior ammo storage designs in Western MBT's

What sense is in that? Like comparing a MiG-21 jet and a Rafale jet. Fool, every time a tank is to be used to describe bad performance, you mention T-72, you mislead people on internet everywhere.

Well, that is over now, I have stopped you forever and proved you a liar, I have posted photos of western made MBT Centurion tanks beheaded in battle or roasted like suya meat with it's own ammunition exploding inside it.

So, next time you post T-72 flawa, I will reply with photos and videos of British origin Centurion tanks that South Africa uses.

Your SANDF army still has about 200 obsolete Centurion tanks armour as Olifants in service today, you belong to the old tank club
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Top ranking ISTAR aircraft in Africa - Highlights of the NAF ATR-42 Surveyor

+ Radar range 407 km
+ Radar modes : Sea/Ground/Land search and Air search
+ Radar scan : 360 degrees surveillance
+ Radar TWS : 200 targets
+ Radar capabilities : Anti-ECCM jamming avoidance
+ Primary role: Surface search/ISTAR
+ Secondary role : mini-AWACS
+ Electronic Support Measures advanced and basic ECM
+ ELINT capability
+ Data links
+ Patrol time : 11 hours
+ Day/Night/Bad weather target operations
+ TV camera colour
+ Long range TV camera black and white
+ Target/Image size magnification
+ FLIR
+ Multiple computer consoles for ATOS mission management systems
+ Service history : Anti-Piracy ops Gulf Of Guinea, Boko Haram War Nigeria
+ Number in service : 2 examples
+ Numbers planned for acquisition : 9 examples

This aircraft put's Africa's military proudly on the world map of continents that parade top class ISTAR aircraft enabled with ELINT capabilities
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patches689:
Cameroon is rumored to be looking at the MBT 3000

You now peddle rumour ?
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Another Junk Gripen crash due to poor quality parts

Two crashes in the last 21 days

Now looks like it's brake failure !

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/hungarian-gripen-crashes-in-czech-republic-412546/

Gripen jets are crumbling before they even see combat !

My $68 million Junk JAS Gripen !

Call Insurance company for me o !

Buhuhuhuhu, I am crying tears for $68 million loss per jet

But, hey ! 2 X $68m = $136 million loss in 21 days o !

Gripen Junk Jet Photo At 2015 Exercise Lion Effort few weeks ago ! [/size]
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Henry120:
NIGERIAN ARMY AVIATION WING: CHIEF OF ARMY STAFF CHARGES STUDENT PILOTS TO BE READY FOR ACTION.

WorldStage Newsonline
25 June 2015

The Chief of Army Staff (COAS), Lt. General Kenneth Minimah has charged Nigerian Army student pilots to be ready to work and live with troops wherever operational exigency demands without any thought of leaving their chosen line of flying combat helicopters.

According to a statement, the COAS gave the charge while addressing student pilots undergoing helicopter flying training at the International Helicopter Flying School, Enugu.
In his words “You should all be ready to at all times live and work with troops wherever operational exigency demands. You should also banish all thoughts of leaving your chosen line of flying combat helicopters. The Nigerian Army will not train you and afterwards allow you to branch out to other arms or services on flimsy excuses.”

Speaking during his assessment visit to the 10 Nigerian Army student officers at the School, the COAS stated that he was pleased to hear that the students were doing well and encouraged them to put in their utmost best in all written and practical aspects of the course to ensure their graduation. He informed the students that they will form the nucleus of the newly established Nigerian Army Aviation Wing.

The COAS further revealed that the Nigerian Army established its Aviation Wing to complement the Nigerian Air Force based on the experiences gathered fighting terrorists in the North Eastern region where gaps in air support leading to reverses brought to fore the need for combat helicopters to provide intimate support to troops.This means apart from support from the Nigerian Air Force, the Nigerian Army will have its own air support element that will always be with the ground troops and readily provide air support whenever required.

The COAS informed the students that the Army will ensure their accommodation, hangar and all necessary facilities are put in place before their graduation. He also expressed the resolve of the Nigerian Army in ensuring that the Service gets the issue of establishing the Army Aviation Wing right as opposed to several failed attempts in the past.

The COAS was accompanied by the General Officer Commanding 82 Division Major General Shehu Yusuf and the Chief of Staff to the COAS Brigadier General Solomon Udounwa. He was received by the Air Secretary Air Vice Marshal CN Chukwu, the Commander 305 Helicopter Group, Air Commodore I Yahaya and the Rector, International Helicopter Flying School, Group Captain Ayo Jolasinmi.

Nigeria becomes one of the few armies in the world with an aviation wing of army aircraft.

I think we might have bought the Eurocopter gunship for the army, but we only see them with NAF.

Also, NA may have inducted Gazelles and Hueys armed with pintle mount HMG.

The Eurocopters will be a force multiplier with rocket pods.

Some CH-3 armed missile drones should also be given to the army.

Congrats to Nigerian army, one of the most modern in Africa now !

Some Soweto iidiots say we are broke, yet we just opened a full airwing for our army with fleet of new helicopters ! ANC made Zulus foolz
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mzilakazi:
THE JUNK FIGHTER HAS ZERO WAR HISTORY AND IS PRAISED NOWHERE IN THE WORLD OTHER THAN IN PAKISTAN. IT GETS RECOMMENDATIONS NOWHERE.

Junk JAS Gripen has ZERO combat history
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Thiza:
LETS SEE NIGERIAN PRODUCTS

You can open a thread for WHO HAS THE BIGGEST DEFENCE INDUSTRY IN AFRICA.

This thread is about fighting power.

Now, show me South African air force and army in real combat with their current equipment, jets, artillery, ISTAR, IFV, tanks etc

Show me !

jln115:
Ek dinkk regtg Augustine is die dommste persoon wat ek nog oooit n gesprekk me gehaad het, ek bedoell wi gebruikk youtube videos omsy argument mee te vorm?

Jammer ooor di spelling, dis sodat daai dom poes ni google gebruikk om die gesprek te vertaaal ni.

South Africans admit JF-17 defeats Gripen in video maneuver comparison.....resorts to google translator to confess truth in Afrikaans.

#Defeated
#Double Frustrated


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patches689:
Lies lies lies

Less than 150 ordered - and only by Pakistan

250 ordered by Pakistan

http://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/pakistan/300-pakistan-china-co-developed-jf-17-thunder-to-be-sold-in-a-decade-173/

56 JF-17 delivered, and that is 44 more than the 12 Rooivalk only ordered by South Africa.

Nigeria, Sri Lanka, Myanma have all evaluated and selected the JF-17......who is evaluating the Rooivalk today ?
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jln115:
Yes dodo it was a test flight during an air show, why do think they were criticized so much after this crash?

And go watch the video I posted, at 0.22min the Gripen preforms a 9G manoeuver.

Test flight is test flight, air show is air show. Real test flights are done under strict test conditions and NOT in civilian areas with public watching.

Fool art thou !

Gripen video of that crash was an air show.

8.5 G maneuver, Gripen crumbled into pieces in the video......Junk JAS Gripen, Gripen Junk.....SAAB specs are false claims o !


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jln115:
Are you so fvcking stup1d? Just because you can comment on a site doesn't make it a blog or forum, for exp you can comment on Jane's, Defenceweb, News24 ect ect does the fact that you can comment on those news outlets make them blogs all of a sudden?

No wonder you still live with your mom!!

Please don't be angry because Nigerians have wrecked your Gripen jets....junk JAS jets.

Readers forum commentary section of a news paper is a forum, a forum is where people discuss, its not part of journalistic news report.

#Butt Hurt Because Gripen Is Wrecked Junk
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patches689:
260 combat ready gripen in operation say otherwise

How many junk fighters have been sold?

250 JF-17 ordered, many delivered, more rolling out of factory production line as we speak
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jln115:
That was a test flight in 1993, the Gripen was not even in service at that time.

Nope, it was Stockholm air show for public viewing, the Gripen was supposed to prove it's g load 8.5 and it crashed in the attempt.

Since that day till now, NO PILOT EVER attempted to do loop maneuver with Gripen junk till today 2015, all because they know the aircraft will crumble into pieces.....air frame built to last 50 years, yeeeeee !!!!!! My $68 million ends in 5 years o !

Insurance man, baba insurance broker.....where are you o !!!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_E0O9lnrRQ
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jln115:
Are you fvcking retaarded? don't you know the difference between a blog and a news outlet? Not one of my sources was a blog or forum.

Secondly it doesnt matter what you THINK happened, the pilot is dead because he flew a sh1tty plane.

prove it with PAF HQ crash report or public statement, until then, your thought or claim is mere speculation.

Your source Tribune news said PAF air force HQ gave NO DETAILS and nothing about why pilot died.

So you went to the Tribune's readers forum like a blog to copy people's comments and private opinions :

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Acorn Guts
Nov 14, 2011 - 2:22PM
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It seems the pilot did not reach ground safely after a concious ejection. May Allah bless his soul and may he rest in peace.
Another Pakistani news agency has posted photos of the crash site and it certainly looks like a JF-17 and this just increases my sadness. This would be the first JF-17 that has crashed during service, not to mention the bad timing. We are trying to sell a few of these at Dubai airshow.
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Nine-Zero Karachi
Nov 14, 2011 - 3:20PM
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Now the will have to sell the JF-17 as Buy 1 and Get 1 Free !
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Your other source Defence talk also said no air force report, so he was quoting SHO....Pakistani police officer for the village

LOL....that village police man is your jet air crash/accident technical investigator and expert....LOL....No wonder you are my hair barber !
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[size=20pt]Combat maneuver palavar o !

Gripen jet attempts to do JF-17 type of maneuver but crumbles mid-air

This JAS Junk Gripen CANNOT fight o !

g load of 8.5 proved fake

Ah ! Mandela's $68 million junk jet !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_E0O9lnrRQ
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patches689:
Still not sure what you think you are doing

Its obvious WHY you are doing this: no more substantive argument = time to sh1tpost

Little boy augubug - so transparent

Don't blame me, brother Patrick.

Two Gripen junk jet crashes in the past 21 days due to junk aircraft parts is enough news to make me an award winning journalist

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jln115:
He died because of sh1tty build quality:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/291604/paf-aircraft-crashes-in-attock/
https://www.defencetalk.com/paf-jf-17-thunder-plane-crashed-38266/

"Squadron Leader Muhammad Hussain, was killed as his parachute did not open after he bailed out of the aircraft. The pilot’s body was found about two kilometers from the site of the crash."

Your source is forums and blogs of peoples' private opinions.....you love junk sources.

Imagine writing project in university and quoting South African comments from Nairaland forum as sources, who will award me BSc degree ?

How will you write final year project in university by quoting blogs, talk forums, and obscure strange sources as your references in an academic project, you quote sources like a typical street salon barber !

PAF air force HQ NEVER declared reason of why pilot died to the public !

Who was there to ask the dead pilot questions about his parachute? Dead men don't talk.

If a pilot tries to save the aircraft and regain flight control, then waits too late to eject, or he is on a deliberate low altitude flight near ground, his chute will NEVER fully open when he is too close to the landing surface, and the JF-17 crash on a mountain means less distance to open his chute after ejection, he is already landing foot on the mountain !

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