₦airaland Forum

patches689:
Nope, I just told you about the exitsance of lend-lease

You started trying to say that there were no American tanks in Stalingrad.


You started the new argument.
You did this to yourself.

Nope, I stayed focused on topic....SOLDIERS, men NOT tanks

MikeCZAR:
Because of America supported and saved her.

agaugust:
There was NO single American soldier inside Russia or in the battle if Stalingrad where millions of Russians and Germans fought to death.

Your comments on Nairaland in the past one month looks like you want to mess up every thread you touch.

If you have nothing worthy to contribute, why not take time off?

You derailed off topic into tanks importation, that has NOTHING to do with bravery of local men.

The original topic remains , Nigerian troops, French troops, British troops, and the retreats from battle or surrender.

You went 100% off topic because you are born too retaarded to understand subject matter in a debate.

if you South Africans go for international debate on climate change, you will derail the world audience into HIV epidemic, that's how your mutant brain works in Chicken Republic Of South Africa
.

patches689:
You saying the Italian army focused on Russia?

And you dont realize that Russia was a member of the Allies - so you had 4 world powers against Germany

Fighter Pilot said Russians had support, you said they did not - i told you about lend-lease then YOU started arguing about equipment.

Blah blah blah

T-34 was sh1t

YES PLEASE POST IT AGAIN

You changed the topic of argument when I told you about lend-lease, then you got a beating and now you are complaining. You did this to yourself.

You are the fool that went off topic.

the original argument and subject matter is the bravery of men, Nigerian troops Vs Boko Haram, French and British troops running away from German army.....you can quote me from the original debate, or are you afraid ?

No body was talking about equipment importation, topic was men and bravery at home in battle, you and mike are brain mutants who have no capacity to figure out the meaning of context and subject matter....

A tale of two fools

FighterPilot:
SA becomes America as compared to Nigeria.

America does not swim inside HIV river or power failure of daily darkness by ESKOM, neither does America allow people like Sudanese criminals to slap their president in the mouth and walk away from a national court order.

South Africa is 100% 3rd world like Burundi
.

patches689:
Augustus, I knew all about Italy.

What you didnt know is:

A. What American lend-lease was, or even if it existed
B. Anything about the battle of stalingrad other than who won and who lost.

You knew nothing about Italy in Russian until I told you, all you kept repeating was Germany and Germany alone, in a war that had 2 world powers combined against one Russia.

Lend-Lease was NOT the topic, the topic had NOTHING to do with equipment, it was about courage of human beings as soldiers.

I know export and import of weapons accross nations in world war 2, I was the first to list American warship fleet sent to Britain in exchange for British Sonar and Radar tech.

The lend-lease was not for Stalingrad battle alone, it was done even after the war, and many of the equipment were not deployed in Stalingrad, as Russia had many other fronts and rearward defense points.

The Russian T-34 tank was better than anything they imported.

The source I posted confirmed that it was Russian men and Russian equipment that defeated Germany, should I repeat that quote/citation?

The topic is about human bravery in battle, not importation of equipment. Your Gauteng brain of village m0r0ns cannot debate on a single subject matter, you always lose brain coordination and start talking astray off point like an imbeciile

Gauteng produces dullards
.

patches689:
2 against 1?

You know the Russian army was bigger than the german and italian armies?

Germans captured more russian prisoners (~2-3 million) than there were Germans in the invasion!!

Also, it was no where near the strength of the italian army, i seem to remeber it being a division - not even a corps or army group

100% Russian army with no single American soldier involved, defeated a combined world power military force of Italy and Germany.

War history CANNOT be re-written.

CASE CLOSED, no argument !
.

patches689:
I was not involved in that argument

You said Russians had NO American support

I corrected you

As usual, you chose to argue with mE - saying the russians had no american
support

I corrected and educated you

And now you are trying to change the argument again.

Its all plain to see - do you want me to quote you?

Go ahead and quote me, starting from the argument about courage of soldiers as men.

The bolded parts of your post proves that you jumped into the middle of other people's argument without knowing the root subject.

You were foolish enough to be correcting people in an argument you confessed you were not part of and didn't know the points being ironed.

That makes you a fool, same way you jumped into Sea Spray radar ATR-72 only to get trapped and humiliated at the end
.

patches689:
I cant teleport

So since i am on the other part of the world it is quite difficult for me to "go wild" in the slums

Sure must be tough for you - being educated on military history by a "slum dweller"

You educated nobody, you were using google search to copy and paste from free public internet

.....and you did not know Italy joined Germany to attack Russia until I told you, you never knew Russia alone was fighting 2 world powers
.
.

jln115:
Maybe i should just post a pic of the whole Nigeria, I mean its just one GAINT slum after all.

A pic of the whole of Nigeria? What giant camera snapped a pic of the whole of Nigeria? Retaaard !

patches689:
I have shown you how the Americans help Russia defeat the Germans: LEND-LEASE

MikeCZAR:
Russian forces were the ones ill equipped!

Americans supported and saved Stalin's arse!

[size=13pt]War history says the American lend-lease equipment made no difference in the war.

Russian men and equipment won the battle and defeated Germany.

"That the Soviet victories of late 1941 were won with Soviet blood and largely with Soviet weapons is beyond dispute."

http://www.historynet.com/did-russia-really-go-it-alone-how-lend-lease-helped-the-soviets-defeat-the-germans.htm
.[/size]

jln115:
4 DIFFERENT Cities in your so called Gauteng Village:

You forgot to add photos of Gauteng slums and the plenty animals in human skin that live there, so let me help you :

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/59-arrested-after-violent-protests-south-african-slum-1448032

PHOTO : @Patches goes wild in Gauteng province South Africa

.

MikeCZAR:
Russian forces were the ones ill equipped!

Americans supported and saved Stalin's arse!

Russian army was 100% Russian troops, and 80% Russian equipment.

Germany's military was deployed together with Italy's military against Russia, two against one.

Yet Russia still defeated both nations.

FighterPilot:
Wondering if there is any village in Gauteng, LOL.

The peoples' brains there operate at village level. LOL

patches689:
Nope, you said that the Americans had nothing to do with the Russian victory

Yes, the original topic was about bravery of soldiers and not importation of equipment.

France's soldiers ran away from German army, it is human beings that show cowardice, NOT tanks and armoured vehicles you fool !

100% Russian troops defeated German army, NO SINGLE AMERICAN soldier helped Russia in Stalingrad.

When you argue about the bravery or cowardice shown by men at war, weapons inportation has nothing to do with it.

M0R0N of Gauteng village
.

patches689:
Snow falls in late Novermber.

Battle of Stalingrad

START -----> August
September
October
November *SNOW STARTS AT THE END OF THIS MONTH*
December
January
END -------->Febuary (BATTLE ONLY LASTS 2 DAYS OF THIS MONTH)

So... where are these 5 months of snow that you talk of? What simple war history are you talking about? The war history your grandfather told you?? The one where Nigerians also contributed to the war??

You complete dolt. Unable to do basic math! Let alone have even the most fundimental grasp of military history!!

And again, no one said Americans fought at Stalingrad.

And yes, I knew Italians fought in Russia with the Germans (so did French, Dutch, Spanish, Norwegian, Finnish, Croatian and Russians), they were involved in Stalingrad - where they (as usual) were useless and are mainly responsible for the Russian encirclement of the Germans during Operations Uranus.

Nope, you are the dolt, there is NO FIXED MONTH OF SNOW in the western world of temperate climates.

Snow can fall in summer ! http://englishrussia.com/2014/07/14/mid-summer-snow/

Generally, snow starts in September in cold regions and ends April, generally.

No weather is fixed by months, but history says Stalingrad was mostly a winter war and the cold killed Germans and Italians.

I am sure you have never travelled outside your South African village

patches689:
Why have you abandoned your argument?

Why have you gone from demanding proof of lend-lease to saying that no Americans fought in Stalingrad?

No one ever said Americans fought there.

You actually abandoned the original argument and derailed.

It was about national troops cowardice at home, not importation of weapons from other countries.

The original argument was French troops surrender to Germany.

Your poor education in South Africa always loses focus of a debate and MikeZA went out of context to bring in importation of equipment, what has that got to do with 100% Russian troops fighting bravely at home and beating up Germany ?

Are weapons also things that show cowardice? Do non-living things show cowardice or fear ? Is an imported tank a living thing that has fear ?

Fools....all Southies are fools, you cannot debate on topic, you will always lose the subject matter...33% brain dullards
.

patches689:
1. No one said american soldiers fought for russia

2. And so... you just going to pretend 20% doesnt exist?

3. PFFFTttt.... italians were useless during the war
"WW2: The Failure that was Italy"
http://titanicfan1000.deviantart.com/art/World-War-2-The-Failure-that-was-Italy-280718156

"Overall the performance of the Italian military must be ranked as the greatest martial failure of the War."
http://histclo.com/essay/war/ww2/cou/ita/ww2i-mp.html

4. Russians would have collapesd without lend-lease, American food and trucks kept their armies alive, and tanks made up shortages they suffered while they moved their factories behind the Urals - THIS IS BASIC HIGH SCHOOL HISTORY

I have shown you how the Americans help Russia defeat the Germans: LEND-LEASE

Reading comprehension is a mountain you died on

5 months of 7 was winter in Stalingrad, the cold killed the Italians and Germans. Simple war history.

Oh, until I educated you, you NEVER knew Italy deployed a whole army inside Russia, and Russia alone fought against two world powers Germany and Italy combination......Olodo

Now show me American troops inside Russia helping them the way half a million British troops were helping France inside Paris

I am waiting...

patches689:
"Soviet Union tanks defend stalingrad"
http://www.ducksters.com/history/world_war_ii/battle_of_stalingrad.php

A childrens history website has defeated you!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH

Bwahahahaha.... All we see are 100% Russians fighting in Stalingrad, your source showed no single American soldier helping them

So how did American bravery save Russia? Or the Russian bravery becomes American because they imported 20% of weapons?

Show us how Russians are not responsible for their victory over Germany...show us Amerivans fighting for Russia....imbeciile
.

patches689:
First snow in russia falls in late november
http://russiapedia.rt.com/basic-facts-about-russia/climate/

Dates of battle of stalingrad: 23 August 1942 – 2 February 1943

More time spent out of the snow than in the snow

Americans supplied 22 000 Armored vehicals to the russians during the war - 20% of all Russian armored vehicals in the war were American
http://ww2-weapons.com/lend-lease-tanks-and-aircrafts/

Hahahahahahahahahahahha


Mr Military researcher exposed as a fraud again!!!! This clown didnt know about lend-lease!! It is clear whom the slowpoke is... he who does not know about lend-lease, he who thinks that the Battle of Stalingrad was mostly in the snow... he who is our resident baboon!!

When will you pay me for this history lesson?

Weapons were exported widely among nations in world war II, America sent thousands of weapons including warships to Britain.

Your source proves your distortion :

1. No single American soldier fought for Russia, the army was 100% Russian.

2. Only 20% of weapons were imported from into Russia, so 80% of the weapons in the war were Russian.

3. Germany too got many heavy weapons and troops from Italy http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=697

4. Italian and German troops combined to fight Russia, but the Russians fought ALONE....no single American or British troops in Stalingrad

So show us how America helped Russia to defeat Gemany and Italy combination .

Research is a mountain you find hard to climb...iimbecile
.

patches689:
Look at the dates for stalingrad

Fighting started in the Summer - Germans allways launch their offensives in summer. You think all of world war 2 was fought in the winter

No citation needed, Russian soldiers using American tanks - it ends your argument totally

Mr Military researcher does not know the basics of military history (or the details of the most famous battle in contemporary military-history)

95% of Stalingrad war was a winter war, August to February .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored/rbth/features/9942741/stalingrad-dates-legacy.html

Snow starts in September, ends in April that was what killed most German troops....snow cold.

Show us citation of how many American tanks were shipped to Russia for Stalingrad battle...show us citation to prove your claim.

Show a citation to back up your random google photo, iimbecile
.

patches689:
1. Common knowledge

America too is commonly called coward

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2014/12/12/commentary/world-commentary/why-are-americans-such-cowards/#.VYbiePlVikp

patches689:
I present to you a picture of a Stuart and Lee tank - in stalingrad, with russian soldiers operating them

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Your random photo has no citation, and your Stalingrad has no snow in a winter war !

Bwhahahaaha....imbeciile

FighterPilot:
A $500 gecko

Bwahahahaha!!!

Gecko mortar carrier vehicle of SANDF $500 price, citation needed
.

FighterPilot:
Marte is still safely in the hands of Boko haram.

June 15, 2015 Citation needed
.

patches689:
3. Sambisa forest

Show me source that says Boko Haram still occupies Sambisa forest today....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJswCVAykUU

patches689:
So a 14 hour fight and a cease-fire offer from Seleka is what happens when we run away?

You shoot the cowards of your army? last time I checked you have not shot the 20 000 men who lost over 40 bases and an area the size of belgium to boko haram!!

Look at boko haram parading their spoils from Nigerian army cowards!!

The photo you posted is actually Nigerian army parading out tank recovered from Boko Haram after we k.illed ALL the Bokos we found with that tank, your photo is a suicide post, see the real complete image below with a Nigerian soldier

Now show me where SANDF has gone back to recover your army vehicles from Seleka, the humiliation continues daily
.

patches689:
[size=13pt]1. Frances defeat to Germany has resulted in them being considered cowards to this day
2. Egypt and Isreal has not praised you
3. Boko Haram is still holding ground [/size]

1. Show me where France is considered as cowards to this day, Citation needed.

Britain had almost half a million troops run away with French troops, so Britain too is a military coward today ? Citation needed.

2. Egypt and Israel praised Nigerian army masterly prowess in victory, posted here many times, no need to repeat. Everyone read the citations.

3. Show me grounds Boko Haram holds in Nigeria today, name the town.

We know Rhino poachers rule Kruger park 24/7
.

ssaengine:
...

You are posting medals awarded to SANDF elite troops that ran away from Seleka rebels !

In Nigeria, such troops will face court martial and be sentenced to death !

Sudan is your new master now.....RSA + SANDF = Tag Team Cowards !
.

jl115:
"South Africa has ZERO record of war victory in it's history."
WW1: SWA
WW2: North Africa
Korean War: 2 squadron
Border War

As you can see these are real wars against real enemies NOT rag tag rebel groups.

We are talking modern war, here dude. Not world war II era.

WW1 and WW2 were NOT South African led wars, they were European-American wars, Nigeria too fought against Germany and Japan in those wars, did you see me list it here ?

Korea is an American/UN war, and ended in near victory for North Korea/China leading to stalemate, how is that a South African victory?

Glory thieves art thou, Soweto burglars !

Angolan border war was a near victory for Cuba, leading to a stalemate, Cuba too claims victory.

Show us a South African led war with South Africa having UNDISPUTED VICTORY in your country's military history.
.

overhypedsteve:
bros calm down. America lended and leased to france and britain to prosecute the war. Up until the evening germany invaded russia the russians believed themselves to be allies with germany. Do you need citations, why did joseph stalin abandon a collective european (britain and france) front against germany? Despite his preaching of collective security? Because britain and france thought they could tame the aggressor(germany) by giving her the Sudertenland and by taking a neutral stance when italy(german ally) invaded ethiopia. Russia saw these "cowardly" action of britain and france and she realised that france and britain were not ready to fight germany but instead they wanted to push germany towards her so stalin seeing this sent the then russian FM to sign a non-agresssion pact with germany in 1939. This was stalin's reason for doing that " German's succeeded in their military activities basically hrough weakness of the western countries." - J. Stalin 1939. He personally stated that there was no occassion for conflict between Germany and the USSR.
Russia did not benefit from any lend lease program you are talking about. Russia fought a very bloody and brutal conflict within her territory without the help of her european "friends".

Whats with you guys and distorting historical facts?

That's a favourite South African pastime, corrupting world history and changing facts to lies.

They didn't know Germany got military help from Italy, Austria, and Japan. Does that mean Japanese troops were inside Russia fighting in Stalingrad? American weapons were not used by by Russia to win Stalingrad, the T-34 tank was the hero and it's a Russian tank 100%.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVvoo1qFPDo

patches689:
1. 500 men fles into Cameroon - FACT

2. They surrendered over 45 bases and vast ammounts of equipment, including TANKS

3. The war continues - you only saw *some* success when you called on Chad, Cameroon and South Africa to save you.

Pathetic military: 16 years of decline has lead to men running away from the enemy in womens dresses

[size=13pt]
The Bible says in Ecclesiastes 7:8 "Better is the end of a thing than the beginning thereof."

Nigeria won her war against Boko Haram at the end, the holy book confirms that is the important thing, the end is the better part.

Nobody cares about the middle of the war anymore.

Even God's word justifies Nigerian military as having the better happy ending !

South Africa has ZERO record of war victory in it's history.

CASE CLOSED

[/size]

patches689:
Same person who said they were scared said that ammunition was issued and they were prepared for combat

SANDF knew what the Sudanese were up to - they had a meeting on June 15th

Over 100 Nigerian troops either surrendered or fled - "the base was overrun"

Stop wasting my time with conetent of an article that has been debunked by the SANDF, UN and Sudan - and your fellow nigerians on this forum agree

This is just another "fishing boat" humiliation for you

You mean your new SANDF Seleka type humiliation in Sudan ?

This time, SANDF surrender was planned and agreed even before any battle started.

SANDF gets worse annually, courageis now a scarce commodity in South Africa, even the government fears to execute court order and arrest a Sudanese criminal who walked free to the airport, flew away as if a South African court of law is a comedy theatre

Your president just got his mouth slapped on homeland soil by one Sudan born crook and your 200,000 man military/paramilitary CANNOT defend the honour of your empire in 21st century
.

patches689:
Story has been denied by the UN and SANDF

Thus, its entire content is false.

Regardless, why would they issue ammunition and order men to stand-to if they were planning on surrendering?

Clown

Story NOT disputed, only adjustment is that NO HOSTAGE TAKING of SANDF men, Sudan Government CONFIRMED 500 SUDANESE TROOPS in Toyota Pick Ups did Ramadan patrol around SANDF base, confirmed by the Sudanese government itself, they scared your army till Soweto boys were popping kilograms of shiiit inside their p.ants in broad daylight, just by seeing Sudanese thin bone boys inside Toyota Hilux

Sharing ammunition is aither one of the usual SANDF lies to cover their shame, the truth is that the South African army CONFESSED they will SURRENDER immediately to Toyota boys of Sudan without a fight

You need veteran Sudan battle survivors of the Nigerian 100 troops platoon to train SANDF on how to fight 1,000 Sudanese without surrender



https://unicpretoria.org.za/files/2015/06/04-18-2013unamideast.jpg
.