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jln115:
Actually the JF-17 pilot died due to his chute failing to open, sh1tty build quality led to the death of this pilot.

Citation needed !

PAF air force HQ did not give that detail of why pilot died, so citation needed !

Who was there to ask the dead pilot questions about his parachute? Dead men don't talk.

If a pilot tries to save the aircraft and regain flight control, then waits too late to eject, or he is on a deliberate low altitude flight near ground, his chute will NEVER fully open when he is too close to the landing surface, and the JF-17 crash on a mountain means less distance to open his chute after ejection, he is already landing foot on the mountain !

jln115:
2 out of the 7 crashes were during the testing stage and 5 out the 7 crashes were due to human error, and NO GRIPEN PILOT HAS EVER DIED FLYING A GRIPEN!

Lastly the Gripen made its first flight in 1989 thus the Gripen has been flying 14 more years than the JF-17, so in 14 years time we can have this same debate again!

7 Junk Gripen crashes, seven crashes, two in the last 21 days in an air force with pilots trained at Sweden Lion Effort !

Please get me the phone number of AIICO Insurance company, Gripen built to last 50 years if collapsing like a R.aped woman in 5 years o !

$68 million junk aircraft needs comprehensive insurance cover, call the brokers now !!!!!
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jln115:
Nope the Pilot of the Gripen survived, unfortunately the Pilot of the JF-17 died.

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1 and only one single JF-17 has ever crashed ! $15 million x 1 = $15 million loss only.

7 Gripen junk jets have crashed ! Seven crashes....

$68 million x 7 = about half a billion dollars wasted !

We are comparing aircraft not pilots. Some pilots choose to eject some choose to go down with aircraft. Personal choice.

The Gripen pilot has been flying the jet since when? Sweden Lion Effort exercise long ago?

The one only ever JF-17 crash was 4 years ago, the Gripen just crashed 14 days ago

That's the second Gripen crash in the past 21 days LOL....Junk Gripen now falling apart worldwide....

Gripen aircraft built to last 50 years...LOL

$68 million for Swedish Junk....

please call your nearest Insurance Broker for Junk Jet Gripen spider leg insurance cover o !

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/10/hungary-gripen-idUSL5N0YW2X620150610
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jln115:
Junk Fighter no:17 Blunder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9eWwuJJbis

$15 million JF-17 Block I and $68 million Junk Aircraft Systems Gripen.....both proved equal

$68 million for feeble spider leg tyres....please call AIICO insurance company for the collapsing Gripen o !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7aSsBw69gw
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patches689:
And this... This is what?

An insult?

I dont understand what you think you are acheiving with this post?

$68 million for crumbling fire-wood landing gears, no insult, just sympathy for the buyers of Junk Gripen with spider leg landing gears
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jln115:
You were the first one that compared the landing distance of the Jf-17 without a drag chute to a Gripen with a Drag chute.

Nope, quote where I did that ! You are the one making that big m0r0nic error.

I only compared take off distances.

You did not mention the Gripen landing was with drag chute until I educated you, a barber does not know drag chute, you know hair shampoo
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JF-17 Vs Gripen

Maneuverability demonstration contest :

JF-17 proves air to air combat superiority....

As Junk Gripen fails lock-break reverse tactics of inside loop 'near' Kulbit-Frolov chakra tight diameter loop combat maneuver of the Su-30 Flanker jets !


Gripen only keeps running across the sky east to west in rat-race


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqyJEXp440E

Compare maneuver power JF-17 video 4:05 to 4:30 minute


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqJ5satwBYY


JF-17 kills Gripen in combat performance.

Game Over.

Case Closed
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jln115:
1. The PS-05/a MK4 can detect a 0,1m2 target at 120kms, the KLJ-7 can only detect a 3m2 object at 110km: Winner Gripen, No contest
2. JF-17 doesn't have a air to air refuelling capability: Winner Gripen
3. Gripen is faster as you rightly pointed out: Winner Gripen
4. You have no proof for the Gripens look down Radar: Winner N/A
5. Carrying a Nuclear warhead is basically the same as carrying a normal warhead: Winner: Tie
6. Gripen has a much lower Wing Loading, Lower Stall Speed, Better AoA thus way way more manoeuvrable: Winner Gripen, No contest
7.Gripen has 1 more hard point as you rightly pointed out: Winner Gripen
8.Gripen has better thrust to weight as you pointed out: Winner Gripen.
9.Gripen has a max G of 9, thus has a massive impact on what forces the airframe can withstand: Winner Gripen, No contest.

These are the reasons why the Gripen costs $68 million, which is still a bargain!

[size=20pt] $ 68 million JAS Gripen jet with weak tyres crumble !

Swedish Rip off...Junk Aircraft Systems..Junk Landing Systems


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7aSsBw69gw

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jln115:
Quote JF-17 landing distance with drag chute...thief!

Did I ever compare normal landing with drag chute landing ?

Only you my foolish barber compares two jets landing distance when one jet is using slow down drag chute and the other jet lands normally with no slow down aid.

Your brain is saying a letter alphabet and arithmetical number are the same basis to be compared to see which is better

You were comparing two different parameters and you said one is better than the other....my barber is a fool !

Please cut my HAIR not my EAR with your sharp clipper o !

E-Dullard

MikeCZAR:
I doubt they'll be upgraded to the E/F standard.

Maybe some "South Africa standard".

Yes :

1. A whole squadron of SAAF Gripens in cold stotage

2. A missile each per jet in SAAF

3. A team of 9 unqualified pilots for 26 jets in 15 years of SAAF training

Yes, there will be South African standard repeated ad infinitum
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MikeCZAR:
Show that your hypersonic is in service!

IRIS-T: 25km

A-Darter: 20km


5the Generation missiles can destroy incoming missiles!

Show me where DENEL tested A-Darter missile against a fellow missile

A-Darter was tested against a slow speed subsonic target drone 4 times slower than even NAF PL-9C

Defenceweb and DENEL say A-Darter range is max 19 km, I posted sources many times here.

SAAF missile range gets shorter by the day, from 25 km IRIS-T down to a 19 km overpriced missile
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Henry120:
You are replying a South-African, a pure breed soweto dundie like you would a normal human being

I was about to tell the Pakistanis the same thing, they don't know who South Africans are, LOL 2nd dullest brains on earth are bred in Pretoria

jln115:

7. It doesn't matter if it has a chute or not, it still has a shorter landing distance

Quote Gripen landing distance without drag chute....thief !

jln115:

6. The Gripen has a RCS of 0.1m2 and the Jf-17 has a RCS of 2,5m2

You are personally giving the Gripen the RCS of a stealth jet or a small pigeon bird, fraudster
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mzilakazi:
What about future user such as Brazil. Canada has shown interests and hopefully India will buy it.

Tell us about your Junk Fighter.

Brazil buying only Gripen NG, not the old school radar Gripen of SAAF.

Canada still evaluating F-35 and F-18 Super Hornet.

India is buying Rafale.

Next Gripen customer will likely be Mexcio buying up the 12 SAAF Gripen jets from storage where South Africa has no money to maintain them.

Foolish ANC procurement policy

MikeCZAR:
I can provide pictures of aa Gripen carrying the Meteor missile!

Your pictures don't prove anything!

SAAF will buy BVRAAM soon!

Your Junk fighter will be eaten any day by the Gripen carrying 5th Generation missiles!

Show us Meteor in service with an air force.

SAAF has no cash for BRVAAM.....you went low from 25km IRIS-T to a shorter range missile.....one big step backwards....fools !

You mean your A-Darter 19 km range short legged missile that only works when Gripen has entered enemy jet's NO ESCAPE ZONE ?
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MikeCZAR:
Range is useless when you carry a weaker punch!

That is like using the B-52 bomber to carry one Mk82 bomb!

The JF-17 carries a far more powerful punch than Gripen.

Hypersonic SAM missiles, PL-12 AAM, Nuclear missiles......makes the JF-17 superior punching power, LOL....Pakistan will nuke South Africa o!
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patches689:
So they also bribed Sweden, Hungary, Brazil, Czechs and the Thai's?

And no one has been arrested?

It took 5 years to arrest FIFA officials bribed by South Africa to get world cup hosting.

Some corrupt people never get arrested. SAAB Sweden sells Gripens with bribes or else who will pay $68 million of a Junk Aircraft System ?
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patches689:
700Kg less than the Gripen

500 km shorter range than JF-17 that has hypersonic missiles
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MikeCZAR:
"Seen carrying"

"The Gripen was also seen carrying the Meteor BVRAAM".

Meteor BVRAAM is NOT yet in service anywhere.....fool

JF-17 carried Hypersonic missile confirmed by reputable Janes defence with photos

http://www.janes.com/article/44897/images-show-jf-17-flying-with-cm-400akg-hypersonic-asm

SAAF will not buy any BVR missile till year 2030
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patches689:
Does Nigeria have hypersonic missiles or nuclear weapons?

No!!

O sh1t, i forgot, you dont have the JF-17 either!!

lol - nigerians comparing platforms they dont have to platforms we do have

Does South Africa have BVR missiles and ASM missiles ?

You dream of Meteor AAM that you do NOT have....and no single ASM

Shiitty SAAF....poorly armed jets
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patches689:
1. The Gripen is better - marginal is irrelevant.
2. You are quoting the price for the entry level JF-17 with allmost no capabilities.

Gripen is worth $60 million, proven by the fact that over 260 Gripen C/D have been purchased

It needed bribery and corruption to sell a Gripen for double it's true value....Junk Aircraft Systems Gripen.....sells with bribes
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Henry120:
Brazil would operate the Gripen NG.

The other countries you mentioned barely operate the type, and it's the Czech republic, not that cold war gibberish you are spewing.

Hungary lost 2 Gripens in one month, dummy.

Most of(80%) those Gripens are operated by Sweden and South-Africa fool.


In the same vein, Pakistan 250 units, Sri-lanka/ Burma 18-24 examples.

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MikeCZAR:
There's no hypersonic BVRAAM !


Stop dreaming!

The Gripen carries better AAMs.

Stand off, ASM....I did not say AAM

http://www.janes.com/article/44897/images-show-jf-17-flying-with-cm-400akg-hypersonic-asm

Junk Aircraft Systems Gripen will NEVER carry a hypersonic missile !
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MikeCZAR:
JAS-39 is a Swedish air force designation.


Junk fighter is a Pakistan aircraft!

JF-17 is a Chinese/Pakistani designation.

JAS Gripen actually means Junk Aircraft Systems Gripen sold for more than double the value !!!
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patches689:
Better is better

As in the case of F-7 Vs MiG-21 ?

#TRAP

MikeCZAR:
South African saab built Gripens!

SA Gripens are way better than the junk fighter.

It required bribery and corruption payments for SAAB to sell Gripen jets overseas

Junk Aircraft Systems JAS Gripen.....only junks need bribery to sell them !

Henry120:
Nope, the Gripen C/D is only marginally better than the JF-17 A/B.

Again i ask, is the %10 difference enough to cost $38 million?

Sweden's SAAB bribed South African government with millions of dollars to buy the Gripen for the price of two JF-17s
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MikeCZAR:
India can humiliate Pakistan any day!

Same way India will humiliate Sweden any day.

Same way Pakistan will humiliate South African any day
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MikeCZAR:
The Gripen carries 5th Generation missiles, those are yet to be integrated into the junk fighter. So it doesn't!


So junk fighter is again beaten in close air to air combat.


In all the Gripen carries superior air to air weaponry.

JF-17 carries hypersonic missiles.

Junk Aircraft Systems Gripen is still stuck at mere supersonic armament and will NEVER carry a nuclear missile like the JF-17
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mzilakazi:
Gripen is a winner with BVR.

JF-17 carries hypersonic missiles BVR/Stand Off range....beats the Gripen with faster missiles.

MikeCZAR:
Go tell the Swedes that as the JAS-39 is a Swedish air force designation.

Go tell the Pakistanis as JF is the project designation....Joint Fighter.

I gave you a taste of your own medicine and will feed you more spoons full anytime....

mzilakazi:
India will destroy Pakistan any day.

India is world number 4 ranked military power ahead of Britain and France
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