₦airaland Forum

mzilakazi:
Bwahaha… stop making a mockery of yourself. Nigeria produces a mere 3000 MW of power which cannot even last for 24 hours and generators do not add anything to the grid.

You think 3,000 MW will power the massive oil industry, talk less of manufacturing and residential homes?

The 3,000 MW people quote is federal government generation alone.

Another power production sector is called IPP, independent power producers, there are several private companies NOT federal government, and they produce more power than the government.

Nigerian oil companies have private power generation companies called IPP

State governments also have state owned power generation companies, also under IPP.

http://businessdayonline.com/2014/07/nigerias-ipp-scene-picking-up-on-back-of-power-sector-reforms/

Twenty new IPP companies were licensed in 2011 because of the success of existing ones.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/12/fg-issues-20-licences-to-ipps/

You seem to become more and more ignorant about Nigeria as we educate you, the more we teach, the less you understand, typical Bantu.

Nigeria as a whole is in the region of about 10,000 MW power generation from dozens of federal, states, and private power companies.

That's fresh education for you at no cost, mumu

mzilakazi:
We don't import weapons to a large scale, we develop our own. Nigeria is the master in that category.

Mandela nation spent almost $ 10 Billion weapons importation contract 1997-2007 to import from Europe/America 50 jet fighters, 30 helicopters, 4 warships, 3 submarines, 600 guided missiles and bombs, 400 military vehicle and aircraft engines for South African armed forces.

If the above is not a large scale, I wonder if you know the meaning of scale.....illiterate Bantu man
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mzilakazi:
Shifting the goal post. Engine is one thing, MRAPS is another.

Just showing you how less important a V-hull is, you think shaping a metal makes you a genius?

mzilakazi:
Nope, we invented the v-hull to work against the impact of mines. The world was scared of mines until they saw South Africans using so cslled simple physics to overcome the impact of the blast.

V-hull is NOT the main strength of MRAP, the real protection is the extra amour under the vehicle chassis. Who invented steel armour? You?

mzilakazi:
Bwahahaha… who brought up that simple physics to work against mines? Nobody but South Africans.

Who brought up complex physics to build the engine of your MRAP ? Nobody but Europeans.

Your V-shape hull is useless without vehicle engine imported from Europe
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jln115:
If it was common sense then i guess South Africans have the most common sense of all!! Seeing that we were the first to use V shaped hulls.

You were the first to suffer from mines on a large scale. First victim, does not mean most intelligent, why did South Africa not invent vehicle engine before the rest of the world if you are the smartest brains?

jln115:
If it was common sense then i guess South Africans have the most common sense of all!! Seeing that we were the first to use V shaped hulls.

I said common sense of simple physics, let me finish my post before you reply next time.

Did you invent physics in South Africa?

mzilakazi:
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SA builts automobile engines under licence from European companies. Nigeria import them as a whole.

SA contributed immensely on Gripens. They changed the whole face and look of Centurion tanks and Lynx helicopters and made them legally to be their products. Olifant tank is no longer a centurion tank. It might have started as centurion but it is no longer a centurion and does not use centurion spare parts at all. The olifant tank can now only be maintained by SA and nobody else[/s]

Stop bragging about weapons you imported from Europe, it's not your domestic manufacture.

jln115:
Actually if a MRAP has a V shaped hull then its essentially based on the Caspir.

Nope, it's all based on common sense of simple physics, an exploding mine under a vehicle will be forced to blast into the air and less under the vehicle by the V-hull/chasis shape. that's basic human common sense of physics, or you see copyright for that anywhere?

Can anybody claim copyright for the V shaped hull of speed boats?

#Delusional

patches689:
Its an MPA, according to the manufacturer.

Some kinds damn deadly MPA with ISTAR and AWACS capabilities all combined into one aircraft.....NAF ATR-42.

patches689:
Your ATR has the abilitiy to detect - but what ability does it have to analyze emissions ? What COMINT abilities does it have?

ELINT, not COMINT, that's what it majors on, ELINT. Does ELINT exist in SANDF ? No !

Analyze emissions detected? Easy job for ATR-42....

"ATR-42 ELECTRONIC SUPPORT MEASURES (ESM)
Functions
■ Detection of long range radar targets
during night and in adverse weather
conditions, even in dense signal
environment
■ Recording data and loading libraries
on intercepted radar
Capabilities
■ Radar emissions detection in a dense
electromagnetic environment (2-18
Ghz)

■ Radar emissions analysis,
identification and location

■ Tracking on multiple emissions
simultaneously
■ High degree of flexibility to meet the evolution radar of the environment"

http://www.atraircraft.com/datas/download_center/38/atr_42_surveyor_2004_38.pdf


Patrick Patches, leave this NAF ATR-42 Surveyor random arguments, you have lost the battle completely !

NAF ATR-42 is MPA + ISTAR + ESM + ELINT + AWACS.....multi-purpose aircraft equal to the best in USA and EU !
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patches689:
Augustus

I am still waiting for you to name the NAF ATR-42 radar and it's range....are you afraid again ?
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patches689:
OMG - you really think that pathetic list of low tech license produced cr@p compares to what we make?

bwa-ahahahahahahahahahaha

So... how does that change the fact that we build weapons? Did i say we build engines or did i say we build weapons?

South Africa is an arms giant, we are in the top 20 exporters in the world. And we are not a major importers - you improt everything, we import only a tiny minority of things

We have an utterly superior arms manufacturing industry, it is not only bigger but its is way more advanced, this is beyond debate

Go brag about home made AK47's to Togo

Go brag about your MRAP with European engine to Sudan

I proved that both SA and NIG are major arms importers.

When SA builds tanks, jets, frigates, come back and talk to us here.....your entire military runs on European imported hardware !
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patches689:
Augustus, you can apply loose definitions to anything and make anything anything

Example:
What is an egg? An egg is a hard thing that contains a nutritional liquid substance! Hence a coca-cola is an egg!

No! An egg is a hard circular/dome shaped thing that contains a nutritional liquid substance! Hence a rotten Watermelon is an egg!

An egg is an egg because we have applied a specific name to a specific thing with very specific characteristics, and according to the manufacturer the ATR42 is an MPA platform.

ATR-42 has full ESM capabilities, and ESM is linked to ELINT, they are the same thing....

"There are two basic types of ESM :

ELectronic INTelligence (ELINT)
ELectronic INTelligence primarily dedicated to the interception and analysis of radar emissions from surveillance radars.

COMmunications INTelligence (COMINT)
COMmunications INTelligence, as its name implies, is intended for the interception of communications, whether by voice or datalink."

http://www.radartutorial.eu/16.eccm/ja06.en.html

I forced you to sit down in a Nigerian classroom again today.....ESM = ELINT and NAF ATR-42 has both !
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patches689:
And we build Rooikats, Badger IFV's, G6, Ratles, Ingwe, A-darter, Mokopa, radar, comms, datalinks, all ammunition types, GPMG's, AGL's, autocannons, drones, optics, mortars, MRAP's and attack helicopters

Importation of components does not mean that we do not build a thing, dont be an dolt!

And yes, we import some things - as apposed to Nigeria whom imports 99.9% of things!!

Nigeria too builds LAV, APC, RPG, NVG, LMG, HMG, rifles, mortars, drones, robots, all types of ammunition, rocket pods, etc.

If SANDF does not import aircraft, vehicle, ships, etc.....how will you mount or install your home made hardware on them ?

Plus you don't make any engines for anything, if you lose a vehicle in battle, you need to import new engine from Europe to build replacement.

South Africa is NOT the arms manufacturing giant you think it is. You are a major arms importer like other African nations
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patches689:
Why do I have to prove that?

Do we build Rooikats, Badger IFV's, G6, Ratles, Ingwe, A-darter, Mokopa, radar, comms, datalinks, all ammunition types, GPMG's, AGL's, autocannons, drones, optics, mortars, MRAP's and attack helicopters or not?

Do you build the engines for your vehicles and helicopter? No ! You import from Europe.

Do you build Gripen, Lynx helicopter, Centurion tank, C-130 Hercules, Hawk, Valour frigate, Type 209 submarine ? No !
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patches689:
Its not an ISTAR platform, it has no ELINT capabilities and you most certainly are not getting 9 of them

LOL.....it does intelligence, surveillance, targeting and recconnaisance, proved from all the manufacturers specs sheets.

What do you think multiple data analysis computers, ESM, radars, FLIR, long range Tv do ? Commercial photography and Hollywood movies ?

ELINT is derived from ESM and linked to SATCOM.....fool :

"There is far less distinction between ESM and ELINT."

http://www.artechhouse.com/uploads/public/documents/chapters/Wiley_925_CH04.pdf

https://www.inmarsatgov.com/uploadedFiles/Resources/Downloads/Ka-Ku-Operational-Considerations-Military.pdf

50 million South Africans do not have ELINT, ESM, and long range ISTAR, so you need Nigerian free education
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patches689:
blah blah

I guess we just conjure rooikats up from the dust then

Prove that you make Rooikat engine and gun.....blah blah

patches689:
Yes, it is an exellent MPA platform, never denied that

However, it is not ISTAR, ELINT or AWAC

Fully loaded with ISTAR equipment, tested in land battles......NAF ATR-42 Surveyor that South Africans dream of buying in year 2050

+ Radar range 407 km
+ Radar modes : Sea/Ground/Land search and Air search
+ Radar scan : 360 degrees surveillance
+ Radar TWS : 200 targets
+ Radar capabilities : Anti-ECCM jamming avoidance
+ Primary role: Surface search/ISTAR
+ Secondary role : mini-AWACS
+ Electronic Support Measures advanced and basic ECM
+ ELINT capability
+ Data links
+ Patrol time : 11 hours
+ Day/Night/Bad weather target operations
+ TV camera colour
+ Long range TV camera black and white
+ Target/Image size magnification
+ FLIR
+ Multiple computer consoles for ATOS mission management systems
+ Service history : Anti-Piracy ops Gulf Of Guinea, Boko Haram War Nigeria
+ Number in service : 2 examples
+ Numbers planned for acquisition : 9 examples
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patches689:
In major war, the strength of your armaments industry decides who wins.

South Africa does NOT manufacture major war weapons.

All your armoured vehicle engines, helicopter engines, jet fighters, tanks, warships and submarines, etc are imported from Europe
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patches689:
In major war, the strength of your armaments industry decides who wins.

Citation needed.

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patches689:
ATR42 is an excellent MPA platform, I would be thrilled if SAAF acquired it.

Confessions + Surrender = Total Defeat [/size]

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patches689:
You honestly think that your armaments industry compares to us in any way?

Are you being serious?

Unfortunately this forum is not about arms manufacturing, you can open a new thread for that, so we can show you how Egypt leads Africa in arms domestic manufacturing.

Meanwhile. your half literate coloureds and blacks should thank your European masters for transfer of arms building technology to their fellow white brothers who are the minority that control majority in South Africa.

Say thanks to Mr. Botha and De Klerk, Boer white master built everything for you.....lazy people
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SirLsgZA:
SA is just better......

.....than Burundi
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Thiza:
BEST AGAINST NIGERIA

Your army is the best in the world, yet when they see skinny Sudan boys on Ramadan patrol, SANDF pee pee in their paants
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patches689:
7 crashes out of over 260 planes operating for 25 years

1 JF crash out of less than 50 operational for how long?

Most Gripens don't ever fly, Sweden has about 50 in storage, South Africa has 12 in storage. Others Gripens sit on the ground dormant.

The Gripens that dare to fly are the ones crashing like house fly sprayed with Baygon insecticide

$ 68 million aircraft crashing twice in 21 days this current dates June and May 2015

$ 15 million aircraft crashing once in 13 years and last time was 2011

You know Gripen jets need insurance cover from AIICO....please call the insurance broker now before it is too late
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Thiza:
COMPARE SOUTH AFRICA WITH NIGERIA NOT PAKISTAN OR CHINA

We have been comparing South Africa with Nigeria for the past 2,300 pages of this thread and we see SANDF has ZERO combat experience and ZERO courage to fight a war

Seleka boys drive around your SANDF vehicles from 2013-2015 and Sudanese rifle men in Toyota Hilux make your army plan a surrender without a fight.....all we see is Chicken republic of South Africa where courage is a very scarce commodity
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Thiza:
SHOW ME WHAT NIGERIA PRODUCES AS AN INDIGENOUS HARDWARE

You are showing European Gripen and Boeing aircraft in your comment, are those made in South Africa ?

Comparing hardware, we have answered your question over 100 times on this forum, only a retaaaaard keeps asking same dumbaszz question like a student who cannot read clear answers.

From OBJ-006 rifle to bomb disposal robots, to Gulma drone, to Ichoku glider UAV to NNS Andoni, to armoured speed boats to Ikri LAV, to Igirigi to Proforce Leopard, to spy balloons to new naval midshore patrol vessel bigger than NNS Andoni, to ...... United Nations buying our LAV.

Go to sleep dude.

patches689:
The attachments you have posted are not correct and you know it

Then you tell us what radar is on NAF ATR-42, tell us the name now !

I have proved my claims of 407 km that you asked for , now you prove me wrong with source of NAF ATR-42 radar name, tell the name !

#Defeated On July 1st = Bad Omen For Patches
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jln115:
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah JF-17

One single JF-17 crash ? That's all you have to show ? We have a long crash list of SEVEN Gripen jets Bwahahahhahahhaha


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xraDd8ejjFI
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jln115:
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Heheheheheh....Hawhawhawhawhaw Gripen jet crumbles trying a simple combat maneuver


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkgShfxTzmo

jln115:
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Bwahahahahahahaahha Gripen jet

patches689:
Take that African pride rubbish and tell it to the Chibok girls.

Those capabilities are not those of your ATR42, not only that but your "source" discusses the capabilities of multiple different radar sets. ATR42 is a simple MPA platform, not ISTAR, not ELINT and most certainly not AWAC

And your ATR42 is the same as the Italian version
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/83981/nigeria-orders-two-atr42s-for-maritime-patrol.html

with a search range of 330km
http://www.casr.ca/id-fwsar-italy-2.htm

Whilst its roles are: Maritime Patrol (surveilance) and pollution detection. With ISAR mentioned only vaguely as is the detection of radar emissions (most fighter jets can also do this) - no mention of ISTAR, no mention of ELINT, no mention of AWAC
http://www.atraircraft.com/datas/download_center/38/atr_42_surveyor_2004_38.pdf

This is the last I shall comment on this topic.

Good day

PS: To remain on topic I have attached images of the best frigate in Africa (unless the Egyptians got the land attack missiles with their FREMM)

# Butt Hurt By NAF ATR-42 MPA+ISTAR+AWAC+ Gabbiano T200 having 407 KM RADAR

http://www.selex-es.com/documents/737448/17664494/body_mm07820_Gabbiano_LQ_.pdf

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