₦airaland Forum

mzilakazi:
Nigeria has no money oooooh.

South Africa has no money oooooh.....12 Gripen jets in cold storage, no cash for maintenance oooooh

mzilakazi:
BWAHAHAHAHA!!
JUNK FIGHTER WILL BE THE RIGHT CHOICE FOR COUNTRIES AS UNFORTUNATE AS NIGERIA.

FONG KONG!!!

JAS Gripen is Junk Aircraft Systems (JAS) for countries who want one JF-17 for the price of two

Swedish rip off !!!!!

jln115:
http://www.jsfnieuws.nl/wp-content/DutchAirForceAssociation_Gripen_2009.pdf
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?85882-Saab-JAS-39-Gripen-info

Fraudster at it again ! Your are posting forum/blogs ! Shall I get tech specs from Beegeagle blog too ?

Your fake chat says Su-30 RCS is 100 times that of Gripen.....100 times bigger on radar ! Hilarious

0.1 m² RCS is the size of a pigeon bird you fool

How did you enter university in South Africa? Mercenaries wrote your exams for you ?

See, dude, your 0.1 RCS is the size of a tiny bird like a dove NOT a whole Gripen jet ! You born retaard !

RCS (m2)

automobile 100
B-52 100
B-1(A/B) 10
F-15 25
Su-27 15
cabin cruiser 10
Su-MKI 4
Mig-21 3
F-16 5
F-16C 1.2
man/human 1
F-18 1
Rafale 1
B-2 0.75 ?
Tomahawk 0.5
Bird 0.01
F-35 / JSF 0.005

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/stealth-aircraft-rcs.htm

patches689:
Augustus does not understand that to sell for $25million means that it is sold without the majority of its capabilities.

You are the Pakistani project manager for JF-17 for you to know that? Okay, citation needed.

patches689:
We are comparing the JF-17 blk 1 to the Gripen C/D

Try to keep up with the argument

JF-17 Block II full specs are not yet out. Block I is most detailed reference available, and it's as good as your Junk Aircraft Systems Gripen C/D
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patches689:
1. Because india is involved in the PAK FGFA development - not the sh1tty monkey model of a monkey model
2. India developed the Tejas for domestic use, they dont need to sell them to fuel their own production like the Pakistani's

You are the prime minister of India, so that you know all those Indian 'policies' you fabricated above?

patches689:
and the JF-17 will not fly at its max speed for the exact same reason

Gripen flying at 70% power is faster than a JF-17 flying at 70% power

Nope, the logic of jet speed is that no fighter goes full blast supersonic power.

Average speed for operation is about 1,400 km/hr to save fuel and engine life.

H.ell , you think air to air combat is an air race kinda Olympics where the fastest engine wins an engagement?

F-35 Lightening speed is mush slower than JF-17 !!!!!

Both Gripen and JF-17 will do that speed conveniently.

Anyway in modern warfare, jet speed for supersonic fighters is no longer a dog fight factor, the m.issiles s.hot at the j.et is always much faster and will cat up with the target.

Hilarious ! This guy thinks Gripen jet will out-run a missile from JF-17.....LOL....E-mumu

mzilakazi:
Still, any wise nation wouldn't go for a copy called Junk Fighter.

[size=16pt]JAS Gripen

J = Junk

A = Aircraft

S= Systems

JAS Gripen = Junk Aircraft Systems Gripen

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patches689:
Pakistan is offering the JF-17 for a low price ($25 million in the cheapest configuration) and touts the fact that this is a third the price of an F-16. But this is comparing apples and oranges. The low end JF-17 is little more than a day time interceptor
https://africadefensejournal./2011/11/28/chinese-jf-17-is-a-cheap-competition-for-the-f-16/

LOL....even old MiG-21 does night combat. Nobody makes a 4th generation air superiority jet that only fights daytime. LOL...E-fool
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patches689:
JF-17 block one cannot

Same way Gripen A cannot
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Sahabg:
http://www.janes.com/article/49991/block-2-jf-17-makes-first-flight-ahead-of-block-3-improvements

Those posts are made by jealous Indians just ask them where there Tejas is oh thats right nowhere

Everywhere you go, Indians envy the Pakistani JF-17 Thunder, it annoys them.....rivalry.

Nobody is buying their Tejas jet or even trying to buy it, the thing is not even ready
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jln115:
Did you read my post? Its possible to calculate the RCS of any object using a math equation, although it isn't exactly the same as the real RCS of the aircraft due to other factors like radar absorbing material ect it does how ever give an overview of what it possibly is.

And ive also provided a source a few months ago, that the Gripen has a RCS of 1/10th of the F-16C, which is 1,2m2, thus 1,2/10= 0,12m2 RCS for the Gripen.

Show us a source that says Gripen RCS is 0.1 m².....that's the size of a pigeon bird.

#Demolished By A Military Researcher From Naija
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jln115:
The JF-17 will never fly at 16900m, its not efficient to fly at those altitudes...Why? because AIR IS LESS DENSE AT ALTITUDE thus less oxygen for the engine to burn, but you don't know that because according to you air is more dense at higher altitude.

The Gripen too will NEVER fly at 15,240 m, it's NOT efficient to fly at those altitudes.....according to your own logic, E-fool.

Also the Gripen speed advantage is useless because mach 2 speed will burn off the engines at max power, now that's aeronautics science. fact
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patches689:
yes, tested/evaluated/selected/named... just like the T80U,Su30,Scorpion and Super Tucano


Your cash strapped nation aint getting sh1t

Super Tucano was dropped in favour of Su-25, that was just about 6 months ago. Aircraft purchase is not 3 day shopping for rice and chicken in the market. Both JF-17 and Su-25 deals are confirmed to be at near contract signing stage by Janes Defence.

6 months process ia 1,000 times better than a 23 year delayed project Biro that has not even named the OPV

Yes Nigeria is buying shiit.....we just bought new helicopter gunships secretly.....Eurocopters from France, we got money even for aircraft bthat was never announced or budgeted for....sulk with envy dude....
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jln115:
Dude!!!!! No Fighter manufacturer releases the official RCS of there plane! The RCS is calculated using the known data released by the manufacturer!!

And I thought you said you were a military researcher?

So, how did you get 2.5 for the JF-17 since manufacturer did not specify it?

Then 0.1 is the size for a bird like a dove and that is your calculation forn the Gripen RCS.....since SAAB did not give us, then you and your fake sources made up 2.5 for JF-17 and 0.1 for Gripen to make your own jet the size of a bird like a dove or pigeon !

Yes, I am a military researcher, thats why I always burst y.our bubble, now explain to a military researcher from Nigeria how Gripen size RCS is same as that of a tiny pigeon bird.....You will have great career as a full-time salon barber

jln115:
Firstly range doesn't matter when you have air to air refuelling capability!!

JF-17s RCS, its , more like 2.5 m2 although its nothing compared to the Gripens RCS of 0.1 m2

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jln115:
Dude it doesn't matter if the Jf-17 has a higher service ceiling, its never going to reach that altitude due to the fact that the Gripen has a much faster climb rate!!

Did they both take off from inside the same air base, such that the Gripen shoots down the JF-17 during take off above its own air base?

Brain of a salon barber

jln115:
And further the Gripen has a service ceiling of 16000m and the JF-17 has a service ceiling of 16920m, 16000-16920 does not= 2km!!

http://www.robotechresearch.com/rpg/vehicles/ebsis/gripen/gripen.htm

And lastly the Gripen has a max G of 9.... and yes even 0.5 G makes a huge difference considering both aircraft are +- 12 tons when fully loaded, thus 0.5 G = 6 tons of pressure exerted on the airframe!!!

Another weird and mysterious source from you. Why not post data from well known and reputable sources......like Airforce Technology

Gripen max altitude/ ceiling is 15,240 m NOT 16,000 m from your mystery unknown website.

JF-17 flies about 2km above the head of Gripen and will shoot down the overpriced pigeon from above the pilots head

Performance

The Gripen can fly at service ceiling 15,240m. The aircraft weighs around 5,700kg and its maximum take-off weight is 14,000kg.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/gripen/
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jln115:
how is not a good source? you said you wanted a source and i gave you one!

You gave me one man's ASSUMPTION as a source ! Garbage ! I have my own assumptions too in my bedroom.

You are notorious for quoting false data from bad sources on this forum, I am intelligent enough not to be fooled easily
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jln115:
Firstly range doesn't matter when you have air to air refuelling capability!!

Secondly i was over exaggerating a bit about the JF-17s RCS, its , more like 2,5m2 although its nothing compared to the Gripens RCS of 0,1m2

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/fighterplanes/texts/articles/bestfighter.html

If I did that exaggeration that you did , all the fools and m0r0ns born in South Africa will start screaming fake military researcher, right?

You still don't have a good source though, the guy is just trying to compare random aircraft on his website and said for the JF-17 he wants to make ASSUMPTIONS.....it's NOT a fact.

#Argument Demolished
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lionel4power:
For the dull zulu brains.


ABUJA – THE immediate past Minister/
Deputy Chairman National Planning
Commission (NPC) Dr. Abubakar
Olanrewaju Sulaiman, Tuesday faulted
claims by President Muhammadu Buhari
that his administration met an empty
treasury. Suleiman said the former administration as
at May 29 left behind the sum of US$ 30 billion

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/06/ex-minister-faults-buhari-on-empty-treasury-says-jonathan-left-about-us30bn/

That's the koko of the matter
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mzilakazi:
Block 2 cannot do simple aerial refueling.

Citation needed

jln115:
Dude im not your mom! If you think Im talking sh1t why don't you just go look it up for your self!!

Flight altitude is the only aspect which the JF is slightly better, although it wouldn't help much against the Gripen which has a way better climb rate!

JF-17 altitude is almost 2 km above the head of the Gripen, you call that slight difference? Well you said the 0.5 g load difference is a wide margin, when it's Gripen advantage, tiny margins become wide.....how about the JF-17 range superiority of about 500 km, that one too is just slightly better ?

E-dummy


Next, what is your source of the ridiculous RCS data you are posting here ? The Gripen has a RCS of 0.1m2 and the Jf-17 has a RCS of 5m2........What is the source of this strange data ?

You are the only one claiming this data, so show us your source, or are you afraid again ?
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jln115:
1. It doesn't matter if the F 35 uses the same Software, its still better than that of the JF-17
2.The cobra HMD is NOT integrated on the Junk fighter, thus your opinion is irrelevent.
3. Combat radius is irrelevant if you have air-air refueling capability.
4. The Gripen has a way lower wing loading than the JF-17, go look it up
5. The gripen has the lowest maintenance cost of any fighter on the market, even lower than the JF
6. The Gripen has a RCS of 0.1m2 and the Jf-17 has a RCS of 5m2
7. It doesn't matter if it has a chute or not, it still has a shorter landing distance
8. The gripen has a Max g of 9 and not 8.5 , either way it makes a huge difference if you have a plane that weighs 12 tons when fully loaded, thus just 1 g means the gripen airframe can withstand 12 tons force more than the jf.
9. SAAF Gripen have one of thee most advanced HMI systems in the world.

Hey dude, what is your source of the ridiculous RCS data you are posting here ? The Gripen has a RCS of 0.1m2 and the Jf-17 has a RCS of 5m2........What is the source of this strange data ?

You always avoid the points where JF-17 beats Gripen......like flight altitude in a dog fight.

The shorter landing distance of Gripen is fake, it's with aid of drag chute, even F-7 jet has drag cute to slow down landing runs.

HMS only works when jets are withing eyeball distance to each other, how do you use it 20 km away ? Or even BVR range 40 km away?

Air refueling Gripen to match JF-17 superior range? Even your master Sweden has no air refueling tanker, talk less of South Africa
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mzilakazi:
How will they even buy a bare bone called Junk Fighter when they do not even have money to pay public servants?

$2 Billion extra funds was released for new weapons in 2014. Defense budget remains at $6 Billion. Cash reserves stands at $30 Billion.

JF-17 costs only $25 million yet worth the technical value of a $68 million Gripen....Swedish rip off
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patches689:
Gripen can do aerial refuel - jf-17 cant

What evidence about ground search radar?

How does a jet with inferior performance stats and smaller wings outmaneuver a euro-canard?

Both Gripen Block I and JF-17 Block I cannot do air refueling.

Both aircrafts Block II can do air refueling.

Get your head checked for some loose bolts and nuts
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patches689:
How are pakistani JF-17s going to engage south african gripen?

Who mentioned Pakistan? NAF has chosen JF-17, we may meet again in Ivory Coast if your SANDF cowards have any courage to show face again.

saengine:
I dont even know why they are fighting so hard for JF-17 as if they currently have 1 example in their hangars. 1st export order for JF-17 is to an Asian country, with deliveries set to start in 2017. Unless Nigeria is Asian, I dont even know why they talk about it on this thread.

Same way you Southies talk about project Biro when the OPV has NOT even been named

NAF fully tested/evaluated/selected/named JF-17 Thunder and close to signing contract for purchase of 25 to 40 units/examples.

50 years ahead of SAN project Biro of an unidentified untested unknown OPV that sails with Alice in wonderland
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saengine:
Beast...

Monster.....Battle tested 2015

jln115:
Dude it doesn't matter it's a mig 21 finished en klaar!

Except that photos and data proved your claim to be absolutely FALSE

#Defeated
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jln115:
pic1 F-7
Pic2 Mig 21
Pic3 F-7
Pic4 Mig 21

They look almost identical! And I was lenient by taking a PIC of the most modern F-7 cockpit.

LOL...wrong pics.

You posted the older F-7 jets with straight delta wings and no vertical fin stabilizers....you failed to post the modern F-7s of 2010 and 2013 used by NAF and BAF, they have swept delta wings and vertical fin stabilizers that work like canards and their cockpits have 2010-2013 heads up displays, not the old stuff early models you posted above.....See a modern F-7 wing below, E-dunce
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jln115:
It's the same, the j/f-7 was a mig 21 built under licence.

LOL.....that was J-7 NOT F-7, the J-7 is a wholly Chinese analog jet built in 1966, how is it same as F-7 NOT 'J', it's 'F', computerized F-7 built in 2010 with European avionics....? E-dummy
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jln115:
It was build under licence you retaard so yes its the same thing.

Straight delta wing Vs Swept delta wing

Linear canopy Vs Bubble canopy

Non stabilizer Vs Vertical fin stabilizers

Basic analog display Vs Heads Up display

Russian engine Vs Chinese engine

1960s Russian short range radar Vs 2000s Italian medium range radar

1960s analog avionics Vs 2010 computerized avionics

Russian 1960s missile Vs 2000s Chinese missile.

Dude, the word 'SAME' is well understood even by the jobless men in Gauteng slums, they know their lives and that of their white masters are not the 'SAME'......one is better
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