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Patchesagain:
Nigeria has no AWACS

NAF ATR-42 Surveyor Gabbiano radar in air to air mode tracking 200 airborne flying targets 407 km away = AWACS
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Patchesagain:
South Africa produces 257.9 b/kwh (17th in the world)

Nigeria produces 24 b/kwh (67th in the world)
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=79&t=100

South Africa produces 100X the electricity Nigeria does.

The two new power stations we are building equal your entire national power grid

A lot of South Africa's positive data published worldwide are false figures and fake statistics.

Reality on ground in your country always looks different, your nation tells a lot of lies
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ssaengine:
Quote source which says Lion Effort is MANDATORY and all Gripen pilots must "qualify". Please quote source for us, thank you.

SAAF took part on Lion Effort 2012 because the 4 remaining Gripen C's were in Sweden awaiting delivery to SA. They took that opportunity to send 8 pilots and ground crew to the exercise. They never flew Gripens from SA to Sweden. And the pilots did well. SAAF has quoted its intention to host Lion Effort 2018 in SA.

Yes SAAF will pay bribe again to get rights host another international tournament, Gripen world cup.

You show us why SAAF failed to show up in 2015 Lion Effort.

Europeans have standards, Sweden, Czech, Hungary, will not fly combat drills with unqualified pilots form South African airforce, because your poor pilot skills can cause mid air collision ! Europeans don't want you to murder them at Lion Effort with your unqualified SAAF pilots that fly only about 10% of normal standard hour a year !

Mandela has no air force o !
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jln115:
Uhm..... yes there is proof that in the whole Lion Effort exercise only 1 SAAF Gripen was downed due to the lack of BVR missiles, its been posted here many times...And your so called PAF vs RAF source even stated that it could quite possibly be a lie!!!!

I am not majoring on PAF Vs RAF, it's SAAF Vs NAF.

There is ZO SINGLE official report from Lion Effort about SAAF shooting down anybody.

You are telling tales cooked up by South Africans who love to steal glory all over the world by saying they killed 1,000 Seleka rebels, yet we cannot find one single dead body among the 1,000 dead.....did your troops eat those corpses ?

Plus, how does your BVR missile claim come up? Nobody fired any missile in Lion Effort, you all had same Gripen with same radar and avionics, now you see why I said it's all a lie, you excused SAAF performance of 1 aircraft 'loss' to lack of BVR missile when nobody used any missile
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Henry120:
I still seriously doubt South-Africa produces more power than Nigeria.

Even if it does, not by a wide margin.

Too many data lies and fraud from that country.

Best universities in Africa, yet 2nd bottom level brains in the world.

80% literacy, yet the 45 million blacks have a majority that never went to school and speak Zulu/Xhosa with near ZERO English.

Huge power prodcution, yet imports electricity from Mozambique and does massive load shedding, burns 1 million candeles per night in the cities, and 15 million people who have NEVER seen electricity in their life time up till 2015 today !

They won bid for World Cup 2010 but axctually payed bribe to get it, not merit.

All nice looking data and rankings of South Africa are very doubtful and highly questionable, this country manufactures lies and spreads it worldwide, everyday every hour !
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andrewza:
SAAF are low level fliers. So you will struggle to get under. All aircraft are vulnerable to be attacked from behind.

NAF are great low level fliers, we do lots of air to ground attack in the last 20 years non-stop wars, real wars.

F-7 did much low level flying in Boko Haram war, using its cannon.

Nigeria has AWACS aircraft with 407 km range, if SAAF flies low, means you enter the crocodile's mouth, ATR-42 will send F-7 jets to a position behind the Gripen.....NAF has AWACS advantage over SAAF
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jln115:
How did PAF F16s shoot down RAF EFs did they fire live missiles at each other?

SAAF Gripen at Lion Effort:

Confirmed report for the Pakis.

ZERO proof for SAAF claims that you sh.ot down your own Swedish masters that created your Gripen jet and sold it to you
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patches689:
Population size is a massive advantage for GDP in terms of size

Citation needed for that economics logic

Patchesagain:
1. 20km
2. 100g means that there is no chance of your pilot evading the missile, only 20g turns for your missile means we can escape. It also means we can engage off-bore while you cannot
3. Completely and utterly false, disproven many times

1. Citation needed for A-Darter 20 km range

2. 40g turn for PL-9C plus a 90% kill probability with only one shot, you need a legion of angels to help you escape that NAF PL-9C missile

3. SAAF is only good in @THIZA's photos, ZERO training, ZERO experience, ZERO BVR capability. You failed to qualify for 2015 Lion Effort

Citation needed for A-Darter 20 km range

Henry240:
Pakistani pilots are very well trained, Plus they fly very capable fighters.

Pakistani JF-17s would eat up SAAF Gripen, their F-16 Block 52s are an overkill. They are Eurofighter standard.

In my opinion, considering the threat the Argentinians face, and lack of finances, the J-10B would be perfect for them. It's a 4++ fighter, With a range of 1000km.

I don't believe the Russians can provide Argentina the credit line required to purchase Flankers.

Argentina does not need credit, they are said to have very huge debt, but with $34 billion cash reserves in dollars, they can pull $ 4 billion and arm up for any British threat. Good defense does not come cheap, you pay the price.

$1 billion will give Argentina 15 units of Su-30 MK2 Flankers with 400 km range radar, 70 km range stealth aircraft detector TV camera's and 150 km range BVR air to air missiles.

$1 billion will buy then 10 units of J-20 Stealth fighter.

The aircraft fleet will also have hypersonic speed anti-ship/aircraft carrier killer missiles.

$2 billion will buy 3 units of Type 054B Destroyer warships with 200 km range anti-ship missiles and 4 units of Song class submarines with heavy torpedoes.

Also the naval fund will cover the cost of 2 units of latest Chinese AWACS and MPA/ASW aircraft.

Thus with $4 billion, Argentina will be the most powerful country in the whole continents of North and South America next in power to USA.

Britain will then consider a peaceful/negotiated hand over of Falkland Island if you ask me.

Patchesagain:
A-darter has 20km range

A-darter can pull 100G turns - think of the implications

What evidence do you have to suggest that your claims are true? How did they lose their qualifications since young lion?

A-Darter range is 19 km confirmed by DENEL, so stop lying.

100g turns when the enemy is firing his own missile from over 20 km away in a no escape zone, 100g turn is useless for your dead pilot.

After lion effort, SAAF Gripens no longer fly 150 hours a year, and half your fleet went into frozen cold storage, SAAF declined in capability
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Patchesagain:
A look, another post composed of made up figures and empty logic

Coming from the man who didnt understand that BRICS (the economic model) and BRICS (the political assosiation) are not the same thing

The same man who also forgot that South Africa is G20 and that Nigeria is not

And the same man who ran away when I showed him (with citations) that South Africa is 55X better to live in than Nigeria

Your country is an undeveloped and unstable sh1thole, it rankes as one of the most failed states on the PLANET, it is ruled by an ULTRA-corrupt elite, all your developmental indices lag massively behind ours, your economy is no where near as advanced or as diverse, you dont have our political connections or might, your coastline is a pirate-infested ecological disaster zone, your biggest city a fvcking nightmare, your interior is rife with poorly educated peasants shooting each other over who's cow drank in who's well, whilst your north is the home of an insurgency that will not end.

[size=15pt]You brag about Nigeria being the biggest... and this is true... it is africa's giant... but the giant has down syndrome [/size]

[size=15pt]Reminder: With only 30% of Nigeria's population, we have 70% of her GDP[/size]

Population does not give GDP, Ethiopia has a far bigger population than South Africa, yet they have a much smaller GDP

Stop typing large size fonts when you say stupiiid things .

Patchesagain:
Hyena: 1972
Leopard: 1974

Which came first?

Rhodesian conversions came before both.

jln115:
Yet those unqualified pilots were extremely impressive at Lion Effort!

How, did they fire live missiles there in Lion Effort exercise?

SAAF does not even have training missiles like NAF. Your pilots have NEVER killed a housefly with Gripen
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ssaengine:
A missile rated at 100g manueverability. No one on the continent has anything even close.

Many countries on the continent have BVR missiles with over 100 km range, your short legged 19 km range missile will be a waste of 100g maneuver when SAAF gets killed from 100 km away .

ddami:
there is so much hate on this thread and don't you know am an ambassador, I work for UaN, so I need to do my job...

Actually the hate is not real. Just some men having internet fun showing patriotism and nation vs nation rivalry. LOL.

You think South Africans truly wish Nigeria dead? No. We too don't wish evil to South Africa. Nobody on this forum/thread wants these two brightest shining nations, hopes of Africa, to have their shinning lights quenched .

What you see here is just e-punching among e-friends having e-fun.

If there is hate, moderators would have closed this thread long ago like they did to two other Nigeria Vs South Africa threads last year.

jln115:
Call it what you like but its happening!

Nothing is happening dude, your navy keeps jumping from one option to another like confused buyers.

When you make a final choice, name the ship, name the manufacturer, evaluate the platform, and announce readiness to pay cost price with cash or bank loan approved, come back and talk to us.

andrewza:
Problem is a SAAF gripen does not need to dog fight since here missiles are linked to the helmet mounted sight.


All so as shown by young lion SAAF pilots where very good at low level flying and close in dog fights.

Helmet mounted sight is useless against enemy jet you cannot see flying behind you, below you, above you, or 22 km away.

SAAF with 19 km range missiles has forced your pilots into close in combat WVR no escape zone. A 4,000 km/hr speed PL-9 missile needs just a few seconds to demolish a Gripen.

South African pilots have ZERO combat experience with Gripe jets and none of your pilots is combat qualified with standard flying hours, you lack both trainings s experience, SAAF is dead as an Egyptian mummy inside an ancient pyramid
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jln115:
Can you read? Where does it say the leopard was built BEFORE the Hyena? All that your source states is that South Africa had similar vehicles to the one of Rhodesia...Nowhere does it say the Leopard was built before the South African mraps of that time.

The professional researchers say Rhodesian conversions were built before the Leopard or Hyena. Fool, the Rhodesian conversions are several series of MRAP vehicles converted from normal vehicles, they have no specific names or date, except that historians discovered they predate EVERY other MRAP.

I will believe a world class professional research institute more than some deranged South Africans who think that 1 + 1 = 11

Zimbabwe is father of South Africa

Thiza:
NOTHING NIGERIA CAN OFFER SOUTH AFRICA IN TERMS WEAPONS...THESE ARE MADE BY SOUTH AFRICA NOT UNDER LICENCE FROM A FOREIGN POWER

Yet when your SANDF men see Sudanese boys with AK-47, fear catches every South African soldier.

Your defence industry is yet to manufacture courage, even if produced under licence from Zimbabwe
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Henry240:
The link I posted in response to Agaugust illustrates my point. Pakistani F-16s, not Block-52s shooting down RAF typhoons.

Advanced shouldn't mean complicated, neither do they automatically mean efficient.

Puts a stopper on the leaking mouth of South Africans who ridicule Pakistani air force.

Neutral reports say they are better than Indian pilots, while Indian army is better on land.

Only fools (Like Southies) laugh at those who are superior to them.

A Pakistani F-16 will eat all South African Gripens for dinner, guaranteed.

I think Argentina should just go for Su-30 MK2 Flankers or JF-17 Thunder block 3, and be assured they are ready for anything Britain could deploy if another Falkland war happens.

JF-17 Thunder Block 3 is more in my desire than block 2, maybe that is what NAF and some others are waiting for, the new engine block 3 with 4+ generation avionics.

Meanwhile, the world should give Pakistan credit for having the courage to build 4th gen jet fighter as a 3rd world country.

Henry240:
I got banned for posting this link. I hope I don't get banned again

http://www.asian-defence.net/2011/06/pakistani-f-16s-shoot-down-raf.html?m=1

Mmmmmm !

Too many sources, combat pilots, etc have been confirming this fact that in close range combat WVR, everybody dies at same rate, and MiG-21 Bison of IAF could beat an F-15 of USAF, now F-16 of IAF beats RAF Typhoon.

The SAAF do not have qualified pilots, and Gripen cannot maneuver, the wings will break up and the Gripen will crash as proved by incidents.

I am sure NAF F-7 will beat SAAF Gripen with ease.

Patchesagain:
They are mistaken

The Hyena entered service in 1972
The Leopard in 1974

Nothing you say do or post will change this fact - South Africa built the first MRAP

Nope, you are the one either mistaking or defrauding here.

The Canadian-American military research institute has used it's world class professionals to trace the origin of MRAP and the research result of professionals says Zimbabwe-Rhodesia invented MRAP for the rest of the world to copy.

It's not about date or model, it's about who built the first MRAP, the first series are called Rhodesian conversions, and there were several of them including some built on Volkswagen chassis, the historians say South African Hyena and others are similar to the Zimbabwean invented Rhodesian conversions, it NEVER said the first originals came from South Africa, it says research history by professionals discovered that Rhodesian conversions were the world's first mine resistant vehicles or MRAP origins.

It clearly says that the early South African MRAP was similar to those earlier Rhodesian conversion MRAP, means Zimbabwe started first, a father cannot be similar to his son (Resemble his son), it is the son that can be similar to his father (Resemble him).

South Africa's first MRAP the Hyena, is said to be similar to (Resemble) Rhodesian Conversion MRAPs of Zimbabwe.


"There were several early South African vehicles very similar to the Rhodesian conversions – Hyena , Wolf, and Ribbok (an antelope). Kwêvoël is Afrikaans for a turaco (Corythaixoides). Buffel is Afrikaans for the Cape buffalo (Syncerus Caffer)."

Tracing the Origins of 'Mine-' and 'Blast-Resistant' Vehicles

Stephen Priestley, Researcher, Canadian American Strategic Review (CASR)

http://www.casr.ca/id-blast-resistant-vehicles-2.htm

Zimbabwe is the father of South Africa, your MRAPs resemble their own...eat the humble pie baked in Zimbabwean kitchen
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Henry120:
Eventually pilots might get used to them, but for how long, how about response, reaction and a pilot under duress?

SAAB Gripen NG,

F-35,

SU-35, all cockpits in that sequence, which do you prefer, which is more user friendly?

Interesting talk you and him are having about cockpits.

Saudi Arabian pilots who 4th Gen F-15 and Tornado, are struggling with Euro Typhoon complicated avionics. Thus, the Saudi authorities decided to evaluate JF-17 Thunder which is easier to fly as a 4th Gen avionics platform
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mzilakazi:
South African MRAPS predates those of all other countries. Tell me which MRAP predates HYENA AND HIPPO?

Any Zimbabwean MRAP, whatever name it's called, well known or not, popular or not, famous or not....Rhodesian MRAP predates ALL South African made copy-cat MRAP.

Finito

Patchesagain:
First Rhodesian MRAP: 1974
First South African MRAP: 1972

Which country produced an MRAP first?

ZIMBABWE -Rhodesia.

Unbiased and neutral Canadian/American military research institute has declared that ALL South African early or earliest MRAPs were copied directly from Zimbabwean MRAP inventions.

No argument needed, historical research has proved the origin of first MRAP vehicles on planet earth :

"There were several early South African vehicles very similar to the Rhodesian conversions – Hyena , Wolf, and Ribbok (an antelope). Kwêvoël is Afrikaans for a turaco (Corythaixoides). Buffel is Afrikaans for the Cape buffalo (Syncerus Caffer)."

Tracing the Origins of 'Mine-' and 'Blast-Resistant' Vehicles

Stephen Priestley, Researcher, Canadian American Strategic Review (CASR)

http://www.casr.ca/id-blast-resistant-vehicles-2.htm
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Tracing the Origins of 'Mine-' and 'Blast-Resistant' Vehicles

Stephen Priestley, Researcher, Canadian American Strategic Review (CASR)

http://www.casr.ca/id-blast-resistant-vehicles-2.htm

" Rhodesian Leopard mine-resistant vehicle are made in South Africa . The APVs are part of a complex lineage of blast-resistant vehicles developed on that troubled continent.

That line began in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) with a series of highly bizarre, mine-resist- ant types set on commercial chassis (eg: VW-based Leopard, and Pookie).

Those early vehicles were mostly built as mine-detector vehicles but they showed the way with high ground-clearance and monocoque crew compartments with a V- shaped bottom. The next step was incorporating that structure into other vehicles.

As conversions of existing types, Rhodesian mine-blast-resistant vehicles were quick to construct and made use of readily-available components. This did not go unnoticed in neighbouring South Africa facing its own anti-apartheid 'bush war'.

The threats were the same: landmine blasts from below and AK-47 rifle bullets.

'Body-on-Frame' Construction – the South Africans Follow a Rhodesian Lead

The first South African blast-resistant vehicles were a series of Kwêvoël trucks (Samil-built Deutz 4x4s and 6x6s with armoured cabs) followed by a fully armoured personnel carrier derivative – Hippo. Buffel, a more sophisticated armoured carrier type followed. All consisted of V-bottom armour compartments over truck frames."

There were several early South African vehicles very similar to the Rhodesian conversions – Hyena , Wolf, and Ribbok (an antelope). Kwêvoël is Afrikaans for a turaco (Corythaixoides). Buffel is Afrikaans for the Cape buffalo (Syncerus Caffer)
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Patchesagain:
Which year comes first?

1972 or 1974?

Why were we selling MRAP's to the person who "invented" the MRAP 2 years before they "invented" it?

Of course as a glory thief you will steal, produce, and resell back to the original inventor.

Nobody carees about dates 1972 or 1974, expert Canadian-American military research institute says Zimbabwe invented MRAP and South Africa noticed, imported, copied, manufactured, and re-exported Zimbabwean MRAP.

"There were several early South African vehicles very similar to the Rhodesian conversions – Hyena , Wolf, and Ribbok (an antelope). Kwêvoël is Afrikaans for a turaco (Corythaixoides). Buffel is Afrikaans for the Cape buffalo (Syncerus Caffer)."

Tracing the Origins of 'Mine-' and 'Blast-Resistant' Vehicles

Stephen Priestley, Researcher, Canadian American Strategic Review (CASR)

http://www.casr.ca/id-blast-resistant-vehicles-2.htm

Simple as ABC.

ZIM owns SA !

Patchesagain:
Leopard was built in 1974

Hyena entered service in 1972

Hyena was the first MRAP

My fellow researcher of defence history says you are a fraud ! http://www.casr.ca/id-blast-resistant-vehicles-2.htm

America/Canada confirms ZIMBABWE invented the first series of MRAP, got noticed by South Africa who copied, manufactured, exported.

http://www.casr.ca/id-blast-resistant-vehicles-2.htm

Glory thief thou art, even on Sunday morning you steal
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[size=13pt] Canada & America's Defence Research institute confirms :


MRAP was invented in Zimbabwe Rhodesia !

South Africa was manufacturing Zimbabwean inventions.

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" Rhodesian Leopard mine-resistant vehicle are made in South Africa . The APVs are part of a complex lineage of blast-resistant vehicles developed on that troubled continent.

That line began in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) with a series of highly bizarre, mine-resist- ant types set on commercial chassis (eg: VW-based Leopard, above, and Pookie).

Those early vehicles were mostly built as mine-detector vehicles but they showed the way with high ground-clearance and monocoque crew compartments with a V- shaped bottom. The next step was incorporating that structure into other vehicles.

As conversions of existing types, Rhodesian mine-blast-resistant vehicles were quick to construct and made use of readily-available components. This did not go unnoticed in neighbouring South Africa facing its own anti-apartheid 'bush war'.

The threats were the same: landmine blasts from below and AK-47 rifle bullets.

'Body-on-Frame' Construction – the South Africans Follow a Rhodesian Lead

The first South African blast-resistant vehicles were a series of Kwêvoël trucks (Samil-built Deutz 4x4s and 6x6s with armoured cabs) followed by a fully armoured personnel carrier derivative – Hippo. Buffel, a more sophisticated armoured carrier type followed. All consisted of V-bottom armour compartments over truck frames."

'Body-on-Frame' Construction – the South Africans Follow a Rhodesian Lead.

There were several early South African vehicles very similar to the Rhodesian conversions – Hyena , Wolf, and Ribbok (an antelope). Kwêvoël is Afrikaans for a turaco (Corythaixoides). Buffel is Afrikaans for the Cape buffalo (Syncerus Caffer)

http://www.casr.ca/id-blast-resistant-vehicles-2.htm

Finally, CASE CLOSED.....Zimbabwe invented the first MRAP vehicles, South Africa noticed and copied to manufacture/export

It's not good to steal your neighbour's talent and glory, it's like using w.itchcraft to capture people's star !
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Patchesagain:
THAT IS A SOUTH AFRICAN MRAP YOU JACKASS

MRAP Hyena invented by Zimbabwe-Rhodesia, sent to South African factory for manufacturing and re-export, because Zimbabwe has no such manufacturing facility to build both Hyena MRV and Leopard MRAP by themselves, these designs and prototypes were shipped to South African companies for manufacturing on a large scale.

I have repeatedly posted sources that says Zimbabwe invented MRAP and sent same to South Africa for reverse-engineering.

Your SA is stealing the ZIM's glory because their lack of manufacturing capacity made you take advantage of their inventions.

PhD Fraud Engineering is a South African qualification
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It's not the fault of Nigerians that this thread has over shot 2,000 pages. It's these Olumo Rock headed South Africans causing the elongation.

Simple arguments become so hard for them to understand. I think they all have issues.

@Andrewza is a white man who finds himself glued to South Africa where Zulus marry 4 wives, but his Boer white culture forces him to stick to just one life partner. His lustful greedy eyes see all those big azz navy girls and he gets angry for seeing what he cannot taste. Victim of monogamy, suffering hunger in the land of plenty.

@FighterPilot, claims to have BSc Military Science, but read his comments, seems he studied Agric Science. Don't defeat him in an argument o, he will make you regret it, he goes psycho and starts typing with CAPS + Bold + Size 20 Large Font.

@jln115 is a special case, when you argue with him about Chemistry, he will be answering you from a Geography text book. He needs urgent brain surgery.....or transplant.

@DictatorZAR.....should have been named DictatorZOO.....he bursts into people's argument like a buffalo escaped form a zoo and seeing freedom for the first time. I suspect he uses a borrowed laptop. Guy tends to be frustrated by some financial issues.

@THIZA is the coolest among them, but he thinks photographs can win a war. I suspect he is secretly a porn photographer in disguise.

@Saengine, needs help and deliverance from gay spirit. He is the only man I know that has a spirit husband instead of spirit wife. His deliverance will take 3 churches 3 years to complete.

@Mzilakazi, he is as confused as the spelling of his name/moniker. He argues like a 12 year old. I am sure he believes 1 + 1 = 11.

@Devluit, kid, childish troll. Who knows whether he is female or she is male, or hermaphrodite.

@Snydergyp, herbalist by profession, unrepentant polygamist, lives on government cash support, herbalist income cannot pay his bills, frustration galore, his internet bills keep mounting, runs out of browsing megabytes, disappears, then re-appears to cut off the head and tail of discussions he knew nothing about.

@Msauza is trapped between two worlds, wants a clean Nigerian wife from Enugu as his security from HIV epidemic in his South Africa where STD is more common than mobile phones.

@CraigB, likely kidnapped by some angry Zulu/Xhosa vendetta black men who kept the white boy off his trolling campaign on Nairaland. Likely kidnapped for ransom, we have not seen him this year. May his family raise the money and set him free o ! Problem is, he is not worth the amount of cash those kidnappers are asking for, so his family would rather let his captors keep feeding him.

@MikeZAR, a clone of Papa Ajasco, this guy will sell like hot cake if he takes to comedy. His most serious comments are also his most foolish.

@Patches, this one na thief big time. Scam, liar, 419, talented fraudster. Twister of the truth, manufacturer of lies, PhD in Fraud Engineering. One of the first things he asked me to post on this forum is my American credit card, he wants to clean out my account, if no be say I smart, I would have been bankrupted by now.

With these kind of people arguing on a thread, you still wonder why 2,000 pages, and yet a conclusion has eluded us ?