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Patchesagain:
Show us more than 3. F7 in the air

There are multiple reports of the poor maintenance in your airforce leading to jets being grounded - how pilots train in jets that don't fly?

There is no report that says grip only have 9 pilots - you, made p the allegation

When SAAF grounded Augusta's for crashes, was it because of pilots shortage?

NAF NEVER grounded the F-7 after 2 crashes, instead, we called in the PAF for joint maintenance, then technology transfer for mantenance so that NAF engineers took over, then we started joint combat training with Pakistan and that means we began to fly randomly.

There is NO report that ever said NAF has pilot shortages for F-7, so you show me one !

A man who has never been to hospital does not need to be asked when he was discharged form sick bed.

NAF has NEVER had F-7 jet pilots shortages, and the jets were NEVER grounded.

SAAF has many reports in the news for Gripen jets pilots shortage and grounding of aircraft in frozen long term storage
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Patchesagain:
Name the radar in the ATR42

Then post it's range

Only if you will humbly admit that you and MikeZAR told lies about the radar being Sea Spray, then we will have forgive you for your fraud
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patches689:
Still have to borrow money to pay peoples wages

America borrows money to pay government expenses, yet they have the biggest military budget in the world
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patches689:
Citation for 400km radar range please

You agree you were telling lies about the Sea Spray radar name, you agree ?
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patches689:
Since nigerians started saying that we only have 9 pilots because you never see pictures of more than 9 gripen in the air

Your statements have come back to haunt you!!

Nope, the origin of our claim that SAAF has only 9 pilots is not based on photos of flying aircraft, it is based on a published news report. It was when you were denying the news report that we spoke of how many Gripens fly together.

Show us a news report that says NAF has shortage of F-7 jet pilots....show us such a source in this world...or else sharaaaaap
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patches689:
SANDF never have been nor never will be deployed in AP duties unless it is cross border or on military land

There are Rhino poachers on military land having fun on SANDF property disgracing South African army

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34762:the-sandf-and-rhino-poaching&catid=87:border-security&Itemid=188

.....and also SANDF is fighting Rhino war inside Kruger park and getting defeated daily .....

"The South African Minister of Defence, Ms Lindiwe Sisulu, has congratulated the SANDF members for arresting poachers. It has been 15 days since they deployed into the Kruger National Park and we can see the results already. We will continue to work with the law enforcement agencies to secure our borders and to deal with rhino poaching", said Minister Sisulu."

http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/kruger-poaching011.html#cr

Col. Eben Barlow has not saved South Africa at home, as the current SANDF has ZERO bush war skills
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Henry120:
I hope the talks are fruitful. Anymore info?

Scanty info, but the bit says NAF is making some technical/mechanical demands/clarifications on the PAF before paying/signing purchase order, but the Pakis are sweating to meet the demands of NAF.

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[size=14pt]NAF & PAF discuss JF-17 Thunder deal at Paris air show few days ago.
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lionel4power:
South Africans spewing lies since the beginning of this thread.
Sandf fighting rhino poachers since.

www.dod.mil.za/operations/poaching/rhino.htm

www.dod.mil.za/operations/poaching/rhino.htm

SANDF and SAAF are officially deployed to anti-Rhino poaching operations, they just failed at home.

They boast about Colonel Eben, yet the same SANDF cannot track Rhino thieves in it's own homeland bush

Shame.

ssaengine:
Forgot the SAAF had these.....Litening III targeting pod.


[b]"The targeting pod contains a high-resolution, forward-looking infrared sensor (FLIR) that displays an infrared image of the target to the aircrew; it has a wide field of view search capability and a narrow field of view acquisition/targeting capability of battlefield-sized targets. The pod also contains a charged coupled device (CCD-TV) camera used to obtain target imagery in the visible portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. An on-gimbal inertial navigation sensor has established line-of-sight and automatic boresighting capability.The pod is equipped with a laser designator for precise delivery of laser-guided munitions, a laser rangefinder provides information for various avionics systems, for example, navigation updates, weapon deliveries and target updates.

The targeting pod includes an automatic target tracker to provide fully automatic stabilized target tracking at altitudes, airspeeds and slant ranges consistent with tactical weapon delivery maneuvers. These features simplify the functions of target detection and recognition, and permit attack of targets with precision-guided weapons on a single pass."[/b]


http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/weapons/71/litening-iii-targeting-pod#


[size=13pt]Spotting targets and giving attack co-ords from 40 000 feet. Higher than other um...."surveilance aircraft" can dream to fly[/size] .

Show us a source to prove that your pod works at 40,000 feet and can identify targets CLEARLY to avoid friendly fire on your own army.

What is the range of your pod's short range tiny camera ?

Does your camera have image magnification lens ?

Then you need men on ground to walk into enemy base and place laser designators on the enemy equipment for your pod to work, your soldiers will enter inside Nigerian army base abi ?

Else you need to fly only withing range of the pod laser/FLIR to find target and risk enemy air defences fire.

Your targeting pod has no missile to guide from a Gripen, all you have is a slow snail speed guided bomb that will be shot down by Roland SAM

FighterPilot:
Rhino poachers wouldn't even dare to interfere with military. They will never even think of it.

They, Poachers shot down SAAF Augusta helicopter that was chasing them inside Kruger park
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Patchesagain:
I dont care about sea-spray

You do care about Sea Spray, you spent hours googling it's user list and you posted several sources here for it, yes you do care.

Post proof that ATR-42 uses Sea Spray radar or else tell us you have been telling lies so we can forgive you your crime
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Patchesagain:
Strawman argument detected.

SANDF is not deployed on AP duties, never has been, never will be. It only provides support when poaching is from across the border

SANDF helicopter was downed inside Kruger park while chasing Rhino poachers, an SANDF soldier committed suicide inside Kruger park while chasing Rhino poachers, 21 Battalion SANDF has been dribbled round the clock by Rhino poachers till frustrated, yet you say your army has tactical data-link for target ops, so why has the target been dribbling a whole battalion and special forces plus air force helicopters ?

You have a data-link Link.ZA that only works around the stadiums where FIFA World Cup was played
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Patchesagain:
also no pictures of more than 3 in the air at any one time

Since when did the number of flying jets together become the means of knowing which air force has shortage of pilots?

Show us photo of 11 Algerian Su-30 Flanker jets in the air at the same time to prove they don't have shortage of pilots
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stillchris:
dullard.

i can bet my last cent that you don't even know what it is. just the word "Tactical" amuses you south africans.

If a data link standard in order to provide communication via
radio waves or cable used the military to transmit, relay and receive tactical data is not TDL,

then tell me what Nigerian Navy uses to transmit data from the ATR to navan vessels.

Or from naval control stations to naval vessels.

Or from combat areas in maiduguri to DHQ in Abuja

Or from our surveillance platforms to commanders on ground.

I can go on and on on instances it has been used.

You south Africans are just shouting TDL as if it's a technology beyond any nation's reach.

The real fraud is SANDF. No evidence of operational usage of data link. Just on paper

I hope this free education has helped you dumb he-goat.

Double punch....teeth remover
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FighterPilot:
@Stillchris it is only SA in Africa that has a dedicated tactical data link.

Your tactical data-link has not connected your security forces together and help them defeat local Rhino poachers.

Botswana that is helping you save your Rhinos has no tactical data-link .

So how effective is your data-link in operation, not on paper, what have you achieved with it dealing with a moving target in Kruger park ?


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stillchris:
and our airforce sent target cordinates from ATR 42 to artillery units on ground during surveillance on boki haram positions through whatsapp?

keep decieving yourself

They think the ATR-42 in-built data-link is for interior decoration
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FighterPilot:
Nigeria has only three F7 pilots and I don't know why we should be stretching this argument for too long.

There is NO history, source or record of F-7 jet pilots shortage in Nigeria, so citation needed for the 3 F-7 pilots fairy tale
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FighterPilot:
You have only three F-7 fighter pilots

Citation needed now !
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Patchesagain:
post your 400km radar range and settle the debat


or, you could name the radar in your ATR

Okay, you agree that ATR-42 radar is not Sea Spray ?

You surrender? Say yes boss, South Africa surrenders to Nigeria, then we can go forward from there...
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FighterPilot:
Logically 72 is greater than 42.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATR_72

Stop posting wikipedia, you said it's not a reliable source
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FighterPilot:
Logically 72 is greater than 42.

You work is the air force or boys scout ?

T-72 tank is greater than T-14 tank ?

F-16 jet is greater than F-15 jet ?

Malay FOOL in Soweto

Patchesagain:
So you have no citation to prove your claims about gripen ground search radar?

When are you going to post the 400km range?

Read the citations I posted -

Also, the ATOS system has the Seaspray as a fundimental part of it,

http://www.selex-es.com/documents/737448/18917854/body_mm07800_ATOS_LQ_.pdf

Now, citations please!

Your own source denies your claim, it says Sea Spray radar is for ATR-72 only !

We need to agree on radar type or else how do we argue about radar range when we both dis-agree on what radar is on the ATR-42 ?

Post for us a source to prove your claim that ATR-42 uses Sea Spray radar you FRAUDSTER !

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FighterPilot:
ATR72 has much better performance than ATR42.

Citation needed
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Patchesagain:
So you have no citation to prove your claims about gripen ground search radar?

When are you going to post the 400km range?

Read the citations I posted - seapsray is a fundimental part of the ATOS system

Now, citations please!

Gripen radar ground mode is 70 km according to @Milikikazi, he is correct, the estimate is 75 km, so for me to say a South African is correct, means a lot. I never even bothered to ask him for citation, I know he is correct. Google the JF-17 Thunder Vs Gripen chart and see the answer

Sea Spray radar is used ONLY by ATR-72 according to your own source, so post source for ATR-42 Radar now ! Prove your claim !
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Patchesagain:
22 000 hours of fuel is a shortage?

Yes, SAAF was only able to fly VIP transport and then fuel finished.

Patchesagain:
How about you post your atr42 400km radar?

Gripen ground search radar range?

Huh?

You can never demand a citation from anyone

FYI: Citation has been posted. Deal with it

@Milikazi has bailed you out by posting Gripen ground search radar as 70 km, I did not even ask him for citation because he was correct.

You posted a wrong citation, ATR-72 is NOT = ATR-42.

Post for us a source to prove your claim that ATR-42 uses Sea Spray radar you FRAUDSTER !
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Patchesagain:
I dont have to show you sh1t

Pilots

In flying suits

Getting briefed

We all know what that means.

They are being briefed about severe fuel shortages in SAAF
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Patchesagain:
How dare you ever ask anyone for any citation!!

How dare you post citation of ATR-72 SeaSpray radar and fraudulently claim that it is ATR-42 radar ?
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FighterPilot:
why so many gripen navigators?

Why not?

Patchesagain:
Pilots get breifed for missions they dont fly?

Show us the paper content of the briefing room lecture to prove it's mission flight.

Pilots get briefed in briefing room for internal disciple, advice, new rules/regs, policy matters, etc.

You know nothing about the life of pilots, I work with them
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FighterPilot:
Did I ever said anything about the official language of Nigeria? You see why I always say you have a poor comprehension skills. All that I said is that English is not your language, meaning it is not your mother's tongue. That is why you find it hard to understand it. When someone says this in English, you always have a totally different understanding.

You said my language, and yes English is my language, my lingua franca. You did not say mother tongue then, so stop changing stuff.

Is English your own mother tongue, is Malay Pig an European by race ?