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Patchesagain:
When were the Gripen delivered?

In 7 years we have trained 18 Gripen aircrew and 52 Hawks aircrew -

SAAF has more jet-qualified pilots than the Nigerian Aiforce has jets!!

NAF has more jets than SAAF

SAAF has 9 qualified Gripen pilots today. CONFIRMED
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Patchesagain:
According to testimony at the arms deal commission, 18 Gripen aircrew (navigators and pilots) have been trained up to operational status to date.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31821

9 pilots + 9 navigators = 18 Gripen crew.

Thanks
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FighterPilot:
Oh!! I forgot English is not your language. Sorry!!!

Definitely, yes, meaning they all can fly gripens and operate it to any mission

English is the official language of Nigeria
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[size=16pt] SAAF pilots are only qualified for sitting down inside Gripen cockpit NOT flying combat :

Confirmed by SAAF officer below !

FighterPilot:
You see qualifying hours is another thing, but all our combat pilots ( former Cheetahs) have so far graduated to gripens.

They all have the experience of sitting on the Gripens cockpit.

I love the above confession of truth....post of the week
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FighterPilot:
Yes, he recruited some former SADF pilots as his crew to train pilots of less privileged countries such as Angola, Nigeria et al.

Show us one ex-SADF pilot flying Nigerian combat aircraft, show us his I.D and prove he is South African.....we are waiting !
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FighterPilot:
You will never understand because you are not in aviation industry. All our combat pilots used to fly supersonic cheetahs and now the thing is that before they could go on to the gripens they familiarise them with gripen cockpit on the hawks. It looks the same. What you see on the gripen is what you see on the hawks cockpit. That's why hawks is just the training platform for gripen fighter.

If you don't have qualifying hours in the air on a particular aircraft, you are NOT combat qualified.

You are a probably toilet cleaner in aviation industry.

FighterPilot:
Don't forget Master Barlow trained your unskilled pilots.

Eben trains pilots? He was with SAAF as Colonel ?

FighterPilot:
[size=16]Who spoke of a simulator? Surely, that is not me[/size]

A Nigerian and his limited mental capability again. Man were you ever been to America? I guess you should have known the difference between a simulator and to simulate. Those are two different things. I should have used another word instead like the avionics have been "configured" to those of gripens. Simulators do not even fly and the hawks trainer is not a simulator but a jet. It is a training platform for all gripen pilots.

Let me make brain work easy for you.

Hawk has no radar. Gripen fights with radar.

Hawk pilot = Motorcycle driver

Gripen pilot = Car driver.

Hawk jet does NOT do air to air combat, it is a trainer/ light ground attack jet, so how does a Hawk pilot enter a Gripen and fly air to air combat sortie against an F-7 jet pilot that has trained to fire air to air missiles and do jet vs jet combat maneuver plus dogfight ?

A Hawk pilot flying a Gripen to do air combat against air superiority enemy jets is going to die young
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Henry120:
At present the SAAF can only muster six qualified Gripen pilots who only have 150 flying hours available across the whole Gripen squadron this year, according to Maynier. The annual target for fighter flying hours was 250 for the 2011/2012 period, according to the Department of Defence’s most recent Annual Report.

http://defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29831:a-dozen-saaf-gripens-in-long-term-storage35:Aerospace




SAAF only has 6 qualified Gripen Pilots, and only 9 Gripen Pilots of a total Gripen crew of 18.

Upper cut punch

stillchris:
no patches. stop talking like a novice

that's a silly excuse.

you signed the contract in 98. so definitelt had 10 years to train more than 9 pilots before the aircrafts are delivered.

now it's 17 years and you are stuck with just 9

Left jab, round house punch

FighterPilot:
Hawks pilots = Gripen pilots.

Do your subsonic Hawk pilots also fly supersonic Gripen for 150 hours a year plus 150 hours on Hawk = 300 hours per pilot ?

Show us proof !

Patchesagain:
What datalink do you have to use for such things?

Transmitting images =/= datalink

What is the in-built ATR-42 data-link used for ?
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ssaengine:
Aha. We only had 6 according to you in 2012, yet 8 pilots flew in Sweden. Close that dustbin you call a mouth....it stinks.

Any pilot with training on an aircraft can fly it, that does NOT make him combat qualified.

If you need 150 hours for combat qualification, and you have 50 hours only, you will be able to fly the aircraft, but your incompetence will show when real combat comes and the F-7 jet s.hoots down the Gripen jet in 5 minutes of combat
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FighterPilot:
The gripens were first introduced in SA airspace in 2010. This is contrary to what the slowpoke Henry insinuated by suggesting that gripens have 16 years in SA.

Henry is correct, SAAF ordered Gripen in 1999 that is 16 years ago, your pilots are supposed to be selected and begin training program from that 16 years ago, except your country and air force is a bunch of fools who don't have training plans for aircraft that they paid for.

FighterPilot:
SA hawks have avionics that simulate those of gripens. It is a very easy task for pilots to cross floor to other platform like gripens and that's what they do from time to time.

Simulator is NOT real aircraft.

Hawk and Gripen cockpits are very very different.

Speed and mechanical performance also are different.

Gripen pilots trained on Hawk as lead-in trainer, but after leaving the flying school for many years, they have NO qualifying hours to fly Hawk.

The Hawk pilots have NEVER flown a supersonic jet or have tried for a while and stopped, they are NOT qualified to fly Gripen, no hours !

Fool, this man is gonna cause air crashes by interchanging unqualified pilots o !
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FighterPilot:
Gripens and Hawks pilots can fly the same platforms interchangeably

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Citation needed for the above lie
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FighterPilot:
I am personally happy that Sudanese President was not arrested. All South Africans are happy for that move.

Your judiciary issued a court order and one man violated it, your 200,000 Southie security forces could not effect an arrest !

A slap on the face of South African court system, remember the Nigerian weapons money $15 million that your court sized, you cowards also released that money back to Nigeria out of fear. We bought MRAP and SAMIL trucks with the cash you siezed and boasted to spend for christmas, but fear of Nigeria made 50 million South Africans tremble and handover our money

South Africa fears everybody :

1. Fears Nigeria
2. Fears Seleka rebels
3. Fears Rhino Poachers
4. Fears Sudan
5. Fears everbody.....50 million cowards

Sudan too has slapped the mouth of South Africa big time.....

Patchesagain:
uhh... the picture of more than 9 pilots sitting for their pre-flight Briefing?

Briefing room lecture is NOT = flying hours.

Actually proves our point, SAAF Gripen pilots are always on the ground inside classroom NOT flying in the air.

Nice suicide post by Patrick....I love it
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Patchesagain:
Seaspray 7000E, at less than 80kg, is the mid range Seaspray radar system. It is the
direct successor to the many hundreds of previous generation technology Seaspray radar
systems that are in service world-wide, and is appropriate to medium naval helicopters and
Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA) such as the AgustaWestland AW159 and Alenia Aeronautica
ATR 42 and 72, or other platforms. Seaspray 7000E is in service , in production and under
contract on a range of programmes for platforms including AW159 and SH-3D naval
helicopters and Beechcraft 200, King Air 350, CASA CN235, Fokker F27 and Alenia
Aermacchi ATR72 MPA

http://www.selex-es.com/documents/737448/24128094/body_pressback_aesa_family_radar_es.pdf

So, by the wording we see in the artical - a new sea-spray has been released, and it replaces the old seasprays in use with platforms such as the ATR42


So, either:

1. You are only semi-literate
2. You are a lair

Which is it?


Also, the ATOS system has the Seaspray as a fundimental part of it,
http://www.selex-es.com/documents/737448/18917854/body_mm07800_ATOS_LQ_.pdf

Now, 400km radar range citation please

Bwhahahahaha

I cannot stop laughing at South African 33% brain educational system failure.

Oh my sides This is fvcking hilarious !

@Patches failed comprehension in school like every other South African citizen, he scored 33%

See, what your own source says :

1. SeaSpray radar is appropriate to medium aircraft like ATR-42, ATR-72, AW159 or other aircraft, it does NOT say these aircraft use it !

2. It finally gave you a list of aircraft that uses Sea Spray radar and it is in service ATR-72, can't you interpret one simple paragraph ?

So your Soweto education has embarrassed you again here....oh my sides .....ricb cracking laughter

Show us a source that says ATR-42 uses Sea Spray radar ! Show us now !

#Sweating Patches Now Desperate
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ssaengine:
8 SOUTH AFRICAN GRIPEN PILOTS TOOK PART IN EXERCISE LION EFFORT 2012 HELD IN SWEDEN

-We sent ALL our Gripen pilots to Sweden that year? Not one single Gripen pilot on South African soil for a number of weeks?

-OR we only left ONE Gripen pilot at home in 2 Squadron to operate and guard against any domestic/regional unforseen threat?

-How did 8 Gripen pilots go to Sweden in 2012 when f00ls on here were insisting we only had "6 Gripen pilots fact!" at that time?

-Your numbers then were wrong, what makes you think they are right now?

Let these M0RONS keep believing we only have 9 Gripen pilots. Infact let them think we only have 3. The more uninformed they are, the better.

Pilot qualification is done yearly. If 8 pilots are combat qualified in 2012, they can become disqualified in 2013 if they fly less than the required number of hours for 2013.

As at today 2015, NO single SAAF Gripen pilot has enough flying hours to qualify for combat, but we do agree you have 9 pilots even though they are NOT technically combat qualified
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Patchesagain:
SABC and Mnet do what your ATR does

Show me SABC and MNET long range airborne radar, FLIR, and electronic warfare equipment
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FighterPilot:
All of that was in 2010 and as in 2015 it was mandatory for all SANDF equipments to be integrated on the system including the army's ISTAR cytoons. The LINK- ZA continues to evolve beyond expectation.

Tactical data link is not a weapon that will need to be tested in a battle in order to convince prospective buyers. It is just a mere communication network. Your insinuation is tantamount of asking someone if a certain television will work during war or not. Well but that was only an example. Data link does not need to be battle tested because it is just purely a communication network that integrate all the military platforms to work as a unit.

Good, so you now realize data-link is NOT a weapon but a mere communication network. Cool....it's nothing big then.

Hey, before tactical data-link was developed in the year of service, do inbuilt datalinks for each quipment connect and work within their military or not ?

QUOTE : Multi-TDL Network (MTN) refers to the network of similar and dissimilar TDLs integrated through gateways, translators, and correlators to bring the air, land, and sea common tactical picture and/or common operational picture together.

Now the countries of the world who do not use tactical data-links but have data-links on their various individdual equipment, does their army, navy and air force communicate effectively or not ?

#Trap
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FighterPilot:
IT CANNOT INTEGRATE WITH OTHER PLATFORMS.


Your ATR42 is just a wasteful expenditure just take it as such and move on.

How can it not integrate with other platforms? The ATR-42 inbuilt data-link and radio comm sends messages to where? To itself?

You sure you work in the air force or you just clean toilet there?

Patchesagain:
Seaspray is used on both platforms

http://www.selex-es.com/documents/737448/24128094/body_pressback_aesa_family_radar_es.pdf

If you had read the link you would know this

Now, ATR 400km range please

Nope, your source does NOT say ATR-42 uses Sea Spray Radar, quote where it says so you fraud !

#Triple-Trap
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Patchesagain:
Augustus

Learn about the story
Read the story
Comment on the story

Thanks, the story says "South Africa wanted to show big power, your court judge ordered the Sudanese leader's arrest, he snubbed your law in your own face in your own country, he slapped J.acob Zum.a in the mouth and walked to Pretoria airport, boarded aircraft, flew out and 50 million South African people, your judiciary, police, president, parliament, and law enforcement agents could not effect a South African court order of arrest inside South African territory."

Patchesagain:
ATR is not a dedicated ISTAR platform - it's an MPA

What is in ISTAR that ATR-42 cannot do ? Tell us
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Patchesagain:
All your ATRs are doing is streaming a video feed - SABC does that

ATR-42 has it's own data-link inbuilt, that's a military grade tech.

You have only knowledge of MTV and MNET movie transmission on cable TV.....that's all you ever know.

Mumu

Patchesagain:
The SELEX Galileo airborne tactical observation and surveillance (ATOS) mission system is installed with four interchangeable strategic operator stations to simplify the operations. It includes three sensors including an electro-optical turret FLIR system Star Safire HD, AESA SELEX Galileo Sea Spray 7000E search radar and an ESM (Electronic Support Measures) sensor from Elettronica.


[size=13pt]http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/atr-72-mp-maritime-patrol-aircraft/[/size]

Now that we have shown that it uses sea-spray radar

Provide a link for 400km range of ATR42 radar.

Thank you.

LooooooooooL

OMG ! My sides ! My sides are spinning in orbit.....rib cracker laughter !

Patches posted ATR-72 radar and called it ATR-42 Surveyor

This guy knows NOTHING ! He cannot even use google to make searches that 12 year old kids can do.

Now go back again, first pray to God to open your blocked brain, find ATR-42 radar name and post the source to prove your claim that it uses Sea Spray Radar....we are all waiting

#Self-Trap

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Patchesagain:
And so?

We chased him out of our country.

We have shown the world that we do not accept warcriminals in our land.

Bwahahaaaha

Liar Lair Liar Liar !!!!!!!!

You did NOT chase away Bashir, you wanted to capture him and show the world some bravado...

Patchesagain:
We want to arrest Bashir because he is a fvcking war-criminal

South Africa wanted to show big power, your court judge ordered the Sudanese leader's arrest, he snubbed your law in your own face in your own country, he slapped J.acob Zum.a in the mouth and walked to Pretoria airport, boarded aircraft, flew out and 50 million South African people, your judiciary, police, president, parliament, and law enforcement agents could not effect a South African court order of arrest inside South African territory

.....YOUR BONE-LESS COUNTRY WILL NEVER LEAD AFRICA.....COWARDS, everybody slaps South Africa in the mouth
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stillchris:
bloody liar

there are different variants of ATR and what yoh have shown is ATR 72. not 42-500 which is what Nigeria operates.

this is the spec. for our version. you bloody liar

Bros you know South Africa is suffering from ISTAR hunger, thirst, famine, and starvation.

50 million South Africans have NEVER seen a dedicated ISTAR aircraft in their country's history, so they will call ATR-72 an ATR-42.

Let's not blame them, it's due to total ISTAR backwardness in the whole nation of South Africa

Patchesagain:
The frigates will use their Thales Navale MRR 3D E/F-band search radars to assist the South African Air Force build up a comprehensive air picture over each stadium and its environs. The SAAF is tasked with maintaining a 50km “no-fly” zone around each stadium on match days. The ships can transmit their radar-pictures real-time to the Air Force Command Post in Pretoria or to Gripen fighters tasked with intercepting aircraft intruding into these areas using Link ZA *2.
http://www.armsdeal-vpo.co.za/articles15/world_cup.html

The locally developed Impi tactical modem is fast gaining acceptance within the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) as a cost-effective blue-force tracker, already in use by members of the Special Forces and the South African Air Force (SAAF).

Impi has been integrated into the Chaka tactical C2 (Command & Control) support software which, according to Cobus Valentine, the Command & Control specialist at Saab Grintek Defence, is the only tool currently used by the SANDF to provide ‘jointness.’

“A Parachute Action Group was flown from Waterkloof onboard a SAAF C-130. The aircraft was tracked as well as the Special Forces members aboard the aircraft. They then jumped over the submarine and while they jumped, the parachutists were tracked. Only when they went under the water did we lose the track, but as soon as they popped up from the water, the track was transmitting again,” Valentine recalled.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?Itemid=105&catid=50:Land&id=36095:saabs-impi-effectively-tracking-blue-forces-&option=com_content&view=article


One practical application of Link ZA is as catalyst for the SA Air Force’s BAE Systems Mk 120 Hawk LIFT radar-simulation system (RSS), which uses a radio-frequency network established among as many as eight aircraft engaged in an exercise. Each aircraft constantly transmits its position via a Link ZA datalink, and each aircraft's mission computer calculates the positions of the other aircraft relative to itself. That picture is displayed as a real-time radar image on one of each pilot’s three multifunction displays (MFD).
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6184

Do you want more about linkZA in operational use?

It operates ONLY on Valour frigates, Submarines, and Hawk jets. Not all other equipment that exist in SANDF.

Also NOTHING shows that SANDF has it for the army, only some navy vessels and air force aircraft.

The claim made here was that ALL equipment in South African military including artillery and vehicles have Link.ZA data-link, that is FALSE !

Nothing special anyway, NAF was doing real time data-link of Boko Haram combat situational awareness, command and control from Sambisa forest and other battle zones directly in real time video display 700 km away to Abuja military HQ command centre.

Also, your data-link has NEVER been tested in combat or war, the World Cup is a sporting event for football fans
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Patchesagain:
We want to arrest Bashir because he is a fvcking war-criminal

"Sudanese dictator snubs South African court and leaves the country

Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir has left South Africa, a Sudan minister said on Monday, defying a Pretoria court order for him to remain in the country until it ruled on an application for his arrest.

Bashir, who was attending an African Union summit in South Africa, has been indicted by the International Criminal Court (ICC) over war crimes and crimes against humanity."

http://www.businessinsider.com/sudan-president-detained-may-be-charged-with-genocide-2015-6


Nobody in this world respects the spine-less South Africa

We all slap 50 million Southies in the face and walk away !
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JACOB ZUMA RUBS HIS MOUTH AFTER A HOT SLAP FROM SUDANESE PRESIDENT
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