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ProgrammingRe: Dell Laptop For Sale by airsaylongcon: 3:11pm On Dec 29, 2018
sirfarouk:
You think this is military regime? No pics and you want to sell with "No Negotiations." All the best.
Even in military regime and with pinshure people go still price. Baba never ready to sell
CelebritiesRe: Bukola Saraki At Davido's Concert (Photos) by airsaylongcon: 3:07pm On Dec 29, 2018
ruggedtimi:
still dey wonder why nigeria music stage shows dey get round table.
Big boys no dey dance. Pay 10m siddon
ComputersRe: Post Your Computer (PC) Troubles Here. by airsaylongcon: 2:08pm On Dec 29, 2018
udemzyudex:
I'll advise you take it to those that sell modem, they are the ones that can assist you but have you use another Mtn sim to see if fault is not from the one you're using? Or maybe hard rest the modem to see if it will get back to normal.
Or a clean uninstall of the modem software. Then reinstall. That's what I'd do first.

For the non-techie
A clean install removes not only the software, it also deletes all Registry entries associated with the software thus completely obliterating any trace of the software.
Car TalkRe: How Can We Serve You Better In 2019? - Advice, Suggestions by airsaylongcon: 1:52pm On Dec 29, 2018
AutoReportNG:
Thank you Sir for your blunt but true words, what will you suggest? What can we do to improve and up our game?

Thank you
I'd say start with a niche (or a few). For example you can focus on one or two mass brands (Toyota et al), one or maybe two premium (the Germans) and one exotic
ProgrammingRe: Why Waste 4 Years On Computer Science In University? by airsaylongcon: 11:38pm On Dec 28, 2018
Febup:
Yeah I did ask this question, but you have not come up with an answer. There was a typo which I have corrected earlier.

Universities cannot teach you every programming language on this planet, but they will teach you the concept of programming which you can apply to learn any programming language you like, but I'm surprised you did not mention Socket programming, Assembly language, Batch and Bash Scripting in the list you gave, did they not cover these?

Even if you study a degree in accounting you don't automatically become a chartered accountant in Nigeria you will still have to take ICAN or ACCA but if you already have a degree in accounting this will give you an edge and possibly some exemptions from the exams.

The problem with programming is that because there is no regulated professional body like ICAN or ACCA and for this reason you feel all you learnt at uni was a waste.
Thank you for these points. I've always said that programming languages are exactly what they are LANGUAGES. If I speak say an old version of Yoruba does that make me less relevant than someone who speaks the modern version?

The critical thing is to learn the concepts. Whether I decide to express those concepts using Assembly Language or via PROLOG is inconsequential. Everything is translated to One's and Zeros in the end which is what the computer understands.

And I support your assertion that because the profession doesn't yet have a centralised body that's why anyone can enter the profession. Hopefully the Chartered status that the British Computer Society is currently using will become widespread and become the gold standard for the profession
ProgrammingRe: Why Waste 4 Years On Computer Science In University? by airsaylongcon: 11:30pm On Dec 28, 2018
vezycash:
I don't think they teach surgery on youtube. The Japanese advanced the field of medicine, neuroscience and surgery by performing experiments on their POW. If one can find human bodies to experiment on, with right tutorials, mastery is sure to come.

On a more serious note, you might want to check out Germany's alternative to university schooling. It enables one to become bridge engineers, aeronautical engineers, even lawyers without passing through a university. You overestimate universities too much.
See pic below after performing a quick search. A better crafted search term will definitely turn up more hits.

As regards finding human bodies to perform tutorials, I shudder. The medico-legal and ethical implications will surely give MDCN a swell time.

As regards over estimating the universities, I disagree. If one decides to acquire equivalent knowledge taught in a university via alternate means its fine. My point remains that neither you, nor anyone can say that I have wasted 4 years studying computer science in a University. Note however though that the body of knowledge of computer science is driven and directed by egg heads in a university (or some other research facility)

ProgrammingRe: Why Waste 4 Years On Computer Science In University? by airsaylongcon: 10:02pm On Dec 28, 2018
vezycash:
[s]Curious about how you came to head the accounting team. Knew some oga at the top? [/s]

You modified your post and answered this before I asked.



Lucky you. Only two of my programming lecturers knew what they were doing. C and VB.



You're a self learner just like me. You learned using a book. I learned through practice. The qBasic interpreter taught me.

I mistakenly thought getting a CS degree would make me a programmer. I was utterly bored and frustrated in all my CS programming classes - throughout 4 year sentence.

From hearing your experience, I understand how wrong I was about the benefit of CS curriculum to the average student. I was an outlier - not the norm. Most CS students would hear about important computing concepts for the first time in their CS classes.

I still maintain however, that those who want mastery - not computing basics should study something else for their first degree.

Last update.
We are now in an an age of cheap laptops and internet where self learners like us can pick basic to advanced computing concepts online for free on YouTube, Khan Academy. And paid sites like Udemy, Edx, Udacity, Lynda...

If you grew up now, you'd see things more from my angle.
I'm sure we are contemporaries cos I vaguely recall seeing that you finished uni in 2004?

When I went to Uni too I expected that I'd become a proficient programmer at the end. But do you know what caught my fancy? Cryptography. And it was just an introductory course long before crypto currencies became a fad. There was also another course called HCI (Human-Computer Interaction) that I could have veered into if I had more visual creativity. It is the content of that subfield of HCI that today drives all the fancy UX/UI stuff that developers brag about. Some Computer Science guy sat in the backroom doing research on how best to place elements in the Interface (not just a touch screen but on Interface such as a mouse, or the slightly embossed START button in the old Windows OS).

So to re-state my position, a degree in Computer Science from any university in the world is NOT a waste. Computer Science goes beyond programming.

Footnote:
Following from your analogy, with the widespread availability of YouTube, no one needs to go to university to become a Surgeon. There are loads of highly detailed videos on YouTube that illustrate all the techniques. One only needs to catch a rat (or dog or cow or even a human) to practice the techniques learnt on YouTube. I can see how one can quickly become a Surgeon in no time and without seeing the walls of a university grin
ProgrammingRe: Why Waste 4 Years On Computer Science In University? by airsaylongcon: 9:13pm On Dec 28, 2018
vezycash:
In other words, your degree isn't useful in your current (head of accountants) and previous position (supply chain.) Are you a chartered accountant?


Self taught or university? Don't lie



I learned qbasic myself after secondary school on windows 98. And university CSI added absolutely nothing to my knowledge. So add more detail to how university made BASIC clearer.
Chartered? No. Not yet.

Self-taught or University? University taught... I still have the detailed study guide the instructor (Lecturer as they are wrongly called) used.

How did university make BASIC clearer?
I was in JS2 when I stumbled on the BASIC programming book. While I understood the input and output instructions, I didn't fully grasp the concepts of FOR loops (became complicated when they now said included STEP instructions or looped by decrementing), or the DIMension commands. It was when I was in class in university that these concepts became clear

As for my degree, it was the degree in the first place that enabled me get into those areas. I did two accounting electives in school, Financial Accounting and Management Accounting getting an A in both (my school required a score over 80 to get an A) as well as a course in Finance. All of these put me in good stead when the firm I worked with at the time drafted me to be part of the team developing A bespoke ERP solution for a local manufacturing firm. So I learnt supply chain in order to properly develop the SCM module in the ERP
ProgrammingRe: Why Waste 4 Years On Computer Science In University? by airsaylongcon: 7:31pm On Dec 28, 2018
vezycash:
Open your mind for 4 years. Nice one. If we're to talk accounting - for job purposes, ICAN is more important than the first degree. So easy course for first degree to "open your mind" and then take ICAN on the side. By the time you get out you're more employable than the accounting major.

You're a prime example of what I've been saying. Explain what your accounting management role and supply chain's got to do with your computer science degree.
Change of Career bro! Ever heard of that? Started out as a developer back in the day when it was all about procedural programming with Pascal. Migrated to OOP with C++ and then on to Web dev.

Started learning programming with BASIC on an Amstrad way back in the day. Self taught my self this even though it never made sense to me. When I went into university, a lot of the stuff I was reading while learning BASIC became very clear.
ProgrammingRe: Why Waste 4 Years On Computer Science In University? by airsaylongcon: 5:16pm On Dec 28, 2018
vezycash:
Again personal attacks rather than refuting with facts. After the back and forth yesterday, the pro computer science people said A whole 4 year degree is about opening your mind to the possibilities of computing. And then masters to go in detail.

Is that not scam, is that not wickedness?

You guys are talking as if we are talking Bout another country where there are ready jobs waiting for skill-less comp SCI graduates. So the company will train them.

No. It's a competitive world out there. They'll ask you theoretical questions no doubt. But at the end of the day, they'll decide on what you can do. What language you can use. What you have built. How many years experience...

Just give people realistic career advice so they can prepare themselves. Rather than creating yahoo Yahoo! graduates.

One of top coders in my office is an accounting major. Our frontend developer - UI guy whose salary is more than combined four developer salary is a psychology grad. I know how many comp SCI grads we turn away monthly.

Come make Una no vex me. I've been civil enough.
How?!

And as for your gibberish. I'm a Computing major leading the Accounting Team. Prior to that I lead the Supply Chain team. So does that then make a 4-year accounting degree a sham? Or a degree in Supply Chain Management a waste?

FYI the condition of the country has made it such that engineers are now in accounting. Does that make engineering degree or accounting degree a waste?

Anywhere in the world, including Harvard and Yale, first degrees are geared to opening your mind to the possibilities
PoliticsRe: Police Parade The Killers Of Alex Badeh (video) by airsaylongcon: 7:48pm On Dec 27, 2018
TarOrfeek:
The gullible will believe.


The seekers of truth will smile.


Because the person that killed Badeh, will collect his salary next month. The month after. And will retire....
May the force be with you. This is definitely NOT Badeh's killer(s).
PoliticsRe: WANDE Militant Group Vows To Disrupt 2019 General Elections by airsaylongcon: 7:38pm On Dec 27, 2018
WANDE COAL grin
ProgrammingRe: Have You Heard About This Free Pluggin? by airsaylongcon: 6:41pm On Dec 27, 2018
Task not tax. No I know of no such. But it sounds like a gamified plugin so that could guide your search
ProgrammingRe: Why Waste 4 Years On Computer Science In University? by airsaylongcon: 3:17pm On Dec 27, 2018
vezycash:
And our schools make people experts in those specialized areas like ML, ai, complier design, encryption, operating system design, distributed computing, cloud computing?

Btw even in Google, Amazon and Microsoft having an MBA gives you a better chance of managing programmers than studying computer science.


For serious people visit news.ycombinator.com daily and learn from the guys who actually build compilers, processors, AI, even CEOS of big companies.
Undergraduate degrees my brother are to open your minds to the possibility available in computer science! If this was an argument of a post graduate training I'd be taking a different stand. But for for undergraduate degrees it's ALWAYS introduction... U do a masters degree to get expert knowledge and specialise. In that your CU they teach you introduction to AI! Like they do in several universities in the UK and US. U leave knowing that in AI there's a goal, there's an agent(with sensors and actuators) there's a problem the agent wants to solve etc. Go abroad that "I'm a programmer with no university degree" and u want to study ML and see if someone with a "wasted years" computer science degree will not get admitted, graduate and start working before u
ProgrammingRe: Why Waste 4 Years On Computer Science In University? by airsaylongcon: 2:44pm On Dec 27, 2018
vezycash:
Of course i can't get you. For every language designer, there are millions of code maintainers, web app devs, normal everyday automation that isn't mission critical.

Would you allow a surgeon who didn't do clinicals, house-manship to open you up?

I hope you say yes.
To be a surgeon you'd have to have done clinicals and housemanship. Training, in a UNIVERSITY!

On the contrary, you are encouraging quackery by promoting the idea the years spent in training is wasted because a roadside programmer can pick up YouTube vids. My argument remains that 4 years spent on studying computing in University even if it is in a Republic of Benin University, cannot be a waste. There are vast areas of specialisations in computing and programming is just a minuscule area.
ProgrammingRe: Why Waste 4 Years On Computer Science In University? by airsaylongcon: 1:20pm On Dec 27, 2018
vezycash:
It's okay to be disappointed with me. It's not a popularity contest.

Thank God you mentioned surgeons. Can you imagine a surgeon who can not perform surgery but can tell you the procedures, name the tools used for surgery, quote cutting edge surgery techniques from memory?

That's what computer science graduates are. All theory and no programming skill.

Surgeons are surgeons because in addition to the theory, they practice for hundreds of hours on animals, dead bodies and synthetic tissues.

But that's not enough. They also watch surgeons perform real surgery, assist in the planning and execution of real surgery before they are allowed to call themselves surgeons.

If you want to blame anyone, blame the schools for skipping the programming part of the course.
U fail to get it do you? The programming language u will use in 10years time is currently being developed by today's Computer Scientists! So to put it simply, the future cutting edge tools of your programming trade are already play things for today's Computer Scientists.

Butchers aren't surgeons please.

By the time programmers are tripping for PHP and all, Computer scientists were long done with that and were already in AI and ML
ProgrammingRe: Why Waste 4 Years On Computer Science In University? by airsaylongcon: 11:23am On Dec 27, 2018
vezycash:
Now we agree on something. Like i have been saying repeatedly here Computer science is not about programming. And that's what the original creator or this thread wants to learn - programming.

Much of what computers science teaches are already automated. If you know what STL is you'll know it contains all the basic algorithms taught in the university and more - including compression schemes, file organization, error checking, encryption and more.

You basically admitted you almost never use the time complexity knowledge. If i was your boss, I'd probably fire you for writing one because benchmarking software, debuggers and profilers will do it much better than you can.


Many white guys on Hacker admit that you only need comp SCI knowledge is you're writing a compiler, file system, operating system or some HIGHLY specialized software.

You can insult programmers if you want as OND level work. Doesn't change the fact that you don't get to use most of what you learn in comp SCI.
Again you expose some folly! Anywhere on earth people are taught differentiation from the first principles even in Yale and Harvard. Why? Because even though machines can do it better, humans have to know what is being done in the event that humans have to intervene.

You admitting that computer science knowledge is required only for highly specialised software is sought of a roundabout way of admitting that Computer Science knowledge is needed. For if there was no compiler or worse still no operating system, the application programmer programmes in vane. And no, the title of the thread does not say why waste 4-years studying Programming. It says "Why waste 4 years studying Computer Science". So if the ordinary application developer needs the compiler (or OS) developer how can the years studying then be a waste?

The fact that any engineering student does well when he/she does accounting (via ACCA or ICAN) does that now make studying accounting a wasted 4 years? Or does the fact that you can do book-keeping now render B.Sc. Accounting a waste?

If u think calling a programmer an OND (equivalent of a technician) is akin to an insult then I am utterly ashamed and disappointed in you. You don't know the hierarchy then

PS:
Well I guess a mechanic will say a mechanical engineer is wasting his five years. Or a butcher will say a surgeon is wasting his 12+ years.

I'm the equivalent of a surgeon. If u choose to be the butcher then you are welcome to see my education as a "waste".

Like MI said "I'm solar energy and you are a generator, I'm a PC and you're a cheap calculator...."

I'm done
ProgrammingRe: Why Waste 4 Years On Computer Science In University? by airsaylongcon: 9:21am On Dec 27, 2018
vezycash:
This is what I'm talking about. Resorting to threats like i insulted your political party or pastor or chief priest.

Since you've mentioned "time analysis" how many times have you actually used big o notation in an actual development project?

More importantly, are you actually a developer? Really hope you can answer cos the last guy fighting me on this confessed he couldn't program but can "manage developers" like that's what the guys asking questions here want.
This is where there's a difference. Computer Science is NOT about programming! Programming/Developing is the "OND" of computing. Can I develop? YES. Do I currently do so? NO because job responsibilities have escalated. You talked about when last I used time analysis. It's like asking when last the cylinders in your car's engine were pressure tested. Probably only during manufacturing. BUT if they weren't you'd not be driving today. The intricacies in safely pressure testing is part of what sets a mechanical engineer aside from a mechanic. The theories of Computing is what sets aside a Computer SCIENTIST from a programmer/developer. Think about it, if your DFS algorithm wasn't time optimal would a developer use. But the developer has absolutely no care in the world how the algorithm evolved for him to use. Computer Science transcends development. The fact that what the world sees is the job of the developer does not now then reduce computing to that. Do you know the volume of research on going that common developers cannot even begin to comprehend
ProgrammingRe: Why Waste 4 Years On Computer Science In University? by airsaylongcon: 7:53am On Dec 27, 2018
vezycash:
The boss is here. Jokes aside.

Studying pure mathematics, or physics will make you a better computer scientist than studying computer science.


Most of the comments advocating for studying computer science here are by people who didn't study it. The others are those who didn't know what they were doing in school. I.e satisfied with crap knowledge.

A large part of computer science curriculum is mathematics. Then a little bit about everything - not going deep enough to learn anything.

Plus you learn a lot of outdated stuff. Take c++ for example, how can you do c++ for a whole semester without mentioning STL?

I challenge anyone to show me any school that teaches decent html & Css.


Covenant university teaches prolog that no one uses.

Most will go through a semester in QBasic and be unable to write a program to calculate the area of a circle.


As for software requirement, bullocks. They still teach waterfall model of SDLC when the world is into lean development.

Conclusion.

If you want intro to qbasic, c, c++, Fortran, visual basic, java, php, prolog and a few other languages, study computer science. You'll leave school and be considerably worse off than someone who spent a quarter of that university money on a decent laptop and internet connection learning online.

Ask any comp SCI grad to explain algorithm - any single one and you'll see.
Please don't let me insult you for this rubbish. U should be asking for the time analysis of the algorithms. What is there in algorithms? Which algorithms? Searching? Sorting? Don't let me ask you theoretical computer science questions that will leave you thinking for days.
Algorithms? Really?!
ComputersRe: Post Your Computer (PC) Troubles Here. by airsaylongcon: 3:43pm On Dec 26, 2018
Arthurity1:
I'm sorry, do you mean firmware version or windows os?
Windows OS. The firmware isn't written on the HDD
CelebritiesRe: Yomi Casual Poses With His White Lincoln Navigator by airsaylongcon: 1:33pm On Dec 26, 2018
Newboss:
Do you know you could be making 100m a year without paying a single penny in income tax? angry Completely legal angry

It's public knowledge, bro angry
How na? U be NGO? Making here means profit. U wan expense every bit of your profit? Naaaaaah. If u say paying pittance fine but not that u won't pay a single tax
ComputersRe: Post Your Computer (PC) Troubles Here. by airsaylongcon: 1:23pm On Dec 26, 2018
Arthurity1:
So guys I have a problem. I gave my laptop to a repair guy some time ago only for me to get it back and discovered that the laptop was still not working. Before I gave it to the guy to repair it was not switching on or charging at all but after I collected it back it switches on and charges but it doesn't boot. So I decided to open it up to see what the problem was only to discover that the HDD inside is not mine, it belonged to a HP laptop. I tried going back to the guy several times but the summary of the entire story is that I can't get back my drive again. So I want to ask, is it possible for me to delete the firmware on the HP drive and install that for an Asus on it?
Yep. You'd need to figure out how to configure your laptop to boot from USB or CD/DVD. Then write whatever OS you want on the USB or DVD and boot and install.
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PoliticsRe: The Meaning Of Buhari's 4+4 Sign Pictures At National Assembly Dug By Nigerians by airsaylongcon: 11:29am On Dec 26, 2018
Friend01:
It seems you lack basic comprehension skills.
How does holding up the four fingers of the RIGTH hand(This a well known Muslim Brotherhood sign) the same as the holding the four fingers of both hands(of the Mr. President has second term election bide) look the same?
Do I blame you when you worship a Man-God or should I say God-Man. And you still confused about if three is one or one is three....
Holding up both hands with the Brotherhood sign means a plan to completely Islamise Nigeria i.e North (one hand) and South (the second hand) grin grin
PoliticsRe: The Meaning Of Buhari's 4+4 Sign Pictures At National Assembly Dug By Nigerians by airsaylongcon: 11:24am On Dec 26, 2018
Friend01:
It is utterly shameful that Christians on this platform are so deluded that they can't see what holding up the four fingers of both hands by the president means; and how it is way different from the slogan the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood sign is.
People just cook rubbish for nothing and some willing zombies here just swallow everything wholesale without scrutinization.

The problem is, many people who believe most of these rubbish don't want to think,they just wait for some people to do the thinking for them and then, they everything they swallow see or hear like parrot like some remote controlled zombies.
Lol... Politics, all is fair. When that short Kaduna man called Obi a fanatic it was okay. U guys didn't see this coming. Lol. I expect the campaign image makers to change it. Christianity will promote at as an Islamic sign. Infact for me holding it in two hands mean that both sides (North and Southern Nigeria) will be visited by the Islamic Brotherhood (Islamization that has always being associated with Bubu)

grin
SportsRe: Trabzonspor President Celebrates Ogenyi Onazi's 26th Birthday In Hospital by airsaylongcon: 8:04pm On Dec 25, 2018
mids:
truly a season of love 4rm a white man 2 a black man
A Turk a white man? Are u kidding? angry
ProgrammingRe: Smart Hotel(hotel Management System) by airsaylongcon: 8:42am On Dec 25, 2018
elkharpone:
Lol
Nigga calm down jor
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ProgrammingRe: Help!!! I Formatted My HDD Without Backup, How May I Recover Formatted Files? by airsaylongcon: 11:20pm On Dec 23, 2018
t12tosin:
Thanks so much boss for your assistance and suggestion.
i have downloaded the program but the keys were not accepted!!!

Anytime i am activating or generating the code, a prompt with the message " unable to write to C:\Program Files\EaseUS Data Recovery Wizard\Configure.dat." kept appearing.

what steps should i take from here?

Thanks for your response and assistance
Are you running the crack as administrator? Right click on it and select" Run as administrator"
ProgrammingRe: Smart Hotel(hotel Management System) by airsaylongcon: 11:15am On Dec 23, 2018
AsaoluElijah:
No, it runs on a local server
Really? Something running of an apache localhost isn't a script?
ProgrammingRe: Help!!! I Formatted My HDD Without Backup, How May I Recover Formatted Files? by airsaylongcon:
Whatever you do, DO NOT INSTALL anything in that HDD or you run the risk of loosing some files on the portion where you save/install the new download.

Now there are some free (open source solutions) you can run from a USB flash drive

Modified
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Recover your files to another storage media.

Have a great day

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