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If you're talking about those rowdy, noisy, stuffy centers, count me out.

It is a cliche that has been in existence since 1986

bennie1980:
The new FIFA rule allows players who have played for adopted countries to switch allegiance to their original countries.

Stop mis informing.

You have access to the Internet. Do some research.

He is very right.

When was the last time we went to watch the league? I used to visit the
stadium every two weeks in the early nineties. Not anymore.

Meanwhile, I listened to the interview. Amodu said "Players and coaches are
being owed salaries, all these lead to bastardising the league"

My dictionary defines bastardize as To lower in quality or character; debase.

He is 100% spot on.

Wrex:
Amodu should remain the coach but we need a technical person in that crew

What does that mean?

TexMex:
4. Leadership. I 'm reminded of 2002 ANC when we were regaled with news of indiscipline in the team. News reports had it our players were visiting night clubs and spending precious time braiding their hair. All these was under AMODU (and KESHI) who, reports had it, was in the know but didn't descend on the perpetrators. The result is the awful show NIGERIA put up. I remember then that the SE could not honour a friendly against EGYPT due to a row over bonuses, and AMODU did nothing. I have heard of coaches who quell disquiet in their team and make the team focus instead of row over money. AMODU doesn't inspire discipline. He aids and abets indiscipline. His leadership quality's weak.

None of these allegations were proven. Just rumours.

As for rows over money, that is the second name of the Eagles. Its been before
Amodu and it will be there after Amodu. I'm not saying its a good thing but dont
make it sound like its Amodu that started it. You will mislead those that dont know.

Besides, what awful show did Nigeria put up in Mali? We came third remember? Why
are you sounding like we win it every two years and Amodu coming third is a taboo?

TexMex:
5. Players Discovered. AMODU has not unearthed any new players. The players he's using are those already established. No harm there, but a coach that recognizes his team is not world class can help his case by discovering new players to help him prosecute his campaigns. FRIDAY ELAHO, EMMANUEL AMUNEKE, FINIDI GEORGE, SUNDAY OLISEH etc were players introduced into the SE by WESTERHOF.

Is the Westerhof the standard?

I ask because we have had countless other coaches since then.

Bora, Berti Vogts and so many more. Tell me the players these ones have discovered. Why
go back to as far as Westerhoff.

Listen. Its not the job of the National team coach to discover player. This is a national team
my friend. Not a youth tournament or Arsenal acadamy 

chidichris:
ho many times have u ever seen your coach going to all these countries where his players are plying their trades to watch them? how many local players are in our team to prove that he even watch our local league?

Read the papers and hear the news. Immediately after the draws, he jetted to Europe to
monitor the players. He does that regularly.

chidichris:
in the fifa ranking, where did amodu meet us and where are we now? in all his achievements mentioned so far, are we growing up in the rating or going down?

He met us as a team that failed to qualify for the worl cup. He took us through the qualifiers
unbeaten. Great!

chidichris:
this particular super eagles lack zeal. amodu has a lot of jobs to do in the team.

If we want to put up a decent shouw in SA, I agree there is a lot of work to be done.

TexMex:
My fear is that by the time real statistics come in, it would be too late.

You have the right to fear.

TexMex:
Result of friendlies against quality opposition would be a better barometer. Forget that FRANCE friendly. FRANCE's coach isn't better than AMODU,.

Then, lets wait for the friendlies.

BTW, why should we forget the FRANCE friendly. Whether we like it or not, FRANCE is one
the biggest teams going to the world cup. And its NOT because of past glory because
Uruguay get better past glory.

TexMex:
Please don't take what I wrote out of context. This was what I wrote: ODEM's goal goes to buttress my point that they don't play with any pattern and bank on some individual brilliance or positioning.

I didnt quote you out of context. You typed it yourself.

SAGAMITE even conceded that ODEM's individual brilliance fetched the first goal against TUNISIA. This should tell us that AMODU hasn't built a team yet in the period he has been in charge.

Like i said, you typed that yourself.

TexMex:
A lot of things happened in 2002 WCQ. Then we had Sierra Leone and LIBERIA in our group. Both ganged up against NIGERIA. I remember a top professional Sierra Leone player saying NIGERIA has had her time at the WC, and LIBERIA should be encouraged to qualify instead most especially as they were just coming out of a civil war. It is interesting to note that NIGERIA's match against SUDAN was what proved decisive. If TUNISIA and MOZAMBIQUE had collaborated and said TUNISIA should qualify for the World Cup, the SE would be in the doldrums by now.
The SE consistently struggled against below-par opposition.

Whats all these. . .

The eagles were not getting the results. Bonfrere got fired. Amodu took over and fired us to the
world cup. That was what happened. All these ganging up you're talking about is off the mark.

TexMex:
BTW, that was why MARK HUGHES was sacked. The various draws against low-lying Premiership teams made his employers forget he secured 7 points (out of a possible 12) against the Big 4.

Hughes was not hired to get results against the BIG four. He was hired to get points from all
the premiership teams. You get 3 points per game, big team or no big team.

It might interest you to know that last season, out of the 4 top teams Man Utd had one of the
worst resultst against the others.

Who won the league?

TexMex:
^^^
honeric01,

Is that sarcasm? A coach that says he doesn't have time to build a team after 2 years in charge, should be expected to do so in just 6months? Let's wait and see. Already, people are giving excuses for his performance in ANGOLA. Did you read ODEGBAMI's reasons? I just pray they know something we don't.

The time issue came up because people were clamouring for the grooming and nuturing of
home based players for the Nations cup and world cup. He says there is no time for that and
I agree.

What performance are we actually looking for in Angola? We talk like we win this cup every
2 years and that if he doesnt win it, he's a failure.

Even when we hosted in 2000, with a foreign manager and with our pool of talent, we did not win.

Semi finals is decent enough.

TexMex:
But lets not allow statistics to fool us, and do a reality check instead. Football isn't Arithmetic, and hence any attempt to compare statistics drawn from AFRICAN qualifiers with Global (or top Leagues) is self-serving. Below, I present a global perspective and why it is AMODU has been 'fortunate' (not lucky) thus far and his lack of tactical nous isn't too glaring.

Statistics is more important than opinions and perceptions

TexMex:
1. Quality of opposition.  In a match between NIGERIA and ERITREA, who would you expect to win? NIGERIA, of course. So AMODU winning against minor opponents ain't a big deal. What is upsetting NIGERIAN supporters is that the team struggles to win. Hence the victories have been dubbed 'unconvincing'. But then, the statistics doesn't mention that.

Who do you want us to play in the African qualifiers? BRAZIL?

By the way, I thought Mozambique beat Tunisia. This is the same Tunisia people say is better than us.

TexMex:
2. SAGAMITE even conceded that ODEM's individual brilliance fetched the first goal against TUNISIA. This should tell us that AMODU hasn't built a team yet in the period he has been in charge.

ODEM's individual brilliance fetched us a goal against Tunisia tells us Amodu hasnt built a team?      

Whats wrong with your player conjuring up a great goal. That is why you need very good playes.

TexMex:
3. No value-added. AMODU has been more of a presence than an impact. He hasn't added any value to the team. The players would still have played the way they did without AMODU present. And could have played better under a good coach.

Thats an opinion and not a fact.

During the 2002 world cup qualifiers, we were almost out when Bonfrere was messing up. Amodu
came in and qualifies us. This time round, he started the qualifiers and went unbeaten. What impact
are you talking about?

TexMex:
That a team made up of players without any pedigree and without a coach could so confidently take the game to their more renowned opponents with a 'World class' coach should speak volumes about the credentials of the said coach.

That is a poor argument.

Every week, we see small teams take the game to bigger opponents and sometimes cause
upsets. We've seen instances where coaches get sacked and then the assistant takes over
and gets a couple of decent results against bigger teams. Does that speak volumes about the
credentials of the coaches of the top sides as well?

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=370005.msg5181365#msg5181365 date=1261695867]but can Amodu replicate Bruno Metsu's tactical nous with Senegal in 2002?[/quote]That we will have to wait and see. Remember the surprise factor was in favour of Senegal.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=370005.msg5181365#msg5181365 date=1261695867]Majority of the Senegalese players were average until that Mundial but they were fantastic to watch.[/quote]Many of them were getting into the peak. Remember Diouf's mega deal to Liverpool was done BEFORE
the world cup meaning he was already rated.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=370005.msg5181365#msg5181365 date=1261695867]We also have players who can mix with the best.
Martins, Kanu, Yakubu, Osaze, Taiwo, Odiah, Yobo and Kalu Uche are decent players.
Nigeria must get a manager that will make them gel together.[/quote]Thats the point. Decent players. That is what we now have. If we are to pick the African footballer
of the year, none would make the top 5. Imagine. . . Within Africa

I can remember the mid 90's with nostalgia. We'll have at least 5 players in a list of ten.

I'm praying for a second round appearance. If we dont make it, we shouldnt get discgraced
at the group stages.

Merry Xmas Sauron. Its XMAS here. You guys have to wait an hour

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=370005.msg5181248#msg5181248 date=1261694038]Are you sure about this?[/quote]Yes. When I say he's good to handle Nigeria, it simply means Nigeria is not a super power in
football so a decent enough coach should be okay. I've followed Amodu's career a bit (since 1991)
and he's okay. Just okay.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=370005.msg5181248#msg5181248 date=1261694038]I cannot remember the last time the SE played with any formation or tactics.
Everyone just seems to be running with the ball with no plan A or plan B.
That we managed to scrape through to SA with the margin slimmer than the skin of ma teeth does not make Amodu decent.[/quote]There is something I find amusing about the Eagles. When we play African qualifiers against
other African teams, it looks so ridiculous (its been like that since I was a kid) but when we play
European teams, we look quite good. The Austrian and French friendlies come to mind. I cant
really ecplain why.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=370005.msg5181248#msg5181248 date=1261694038]I think a world class coach with an excellent back room staff can actually improve the mentality of our players.
The coach just needs to change our style of play. Know when to pass the ball and when to knock it long.
U musta noticed how Capello changed the way England play footie these days. The long hopeless balls have stopped.[/quote]I'm sure when you're thinking about Nigerian players, the Yobos, the Martins etc come to mind. That
is on the surface. Do you have an idea who our right back is for instance? Too many average players.

Capello has done a great job. There is no question about that. The difference is that there was no
doubting the quality England's got (even though some are over hyped). Just look at the FIF pro list
and we had Terry (5 times in a row) and Stevie G. Even in Africa, very few people reckon with Naija
players any longer.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=370005.msg5181211#msg5181211 date=1261693161]The $64,000 question. . . . . Is Amodu world class?[/quote]He's not world class but I reckon he's decent enough handle Nigeria.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=370005.msg5181211#msg5181211 date=1261693161]A seasoned European manager in the calibre of Hiddink, Juande Ramos or Walter Smith will do.[/quote]I dont mind Nigeria emplying a world class coach at anytime. What I really wonder is Is bringing
in a world class coach the solution to Nigeria's footballing problem? Especially with all the average
players we have?

I took a look at our back four and fear grab me

folly24:
good analysis, but soccer have change, we are talking of world cup, where the game have gone mathematical, the Tunisia match in lagos show amodu technical deficiency,he can be part of the coaching crew, but there is need for a technical person

How? Was Tunisia better? How come Nigeria is the country going to SA?

You dont need to leave your head behind. Just make sure you dont bring anything it.

No clothes. . . Nothing

debosky:
Dropping points against Fulham and Villa may cost you the league - that's what I'm alluding to not the victories.

May cost. Dropping points may cost any team at any time.

I'm not even keen on the league. You guys just want us to go for it by force. Na
only Man u dey for league?

debosky:
Playing weak sides like Wolves and beating them 4-1 masks the underlying problems in defence - once you face more potent rivals you get exposed.

3 points per win yes, but the quality of the opposition matters as well - Utd's tough league start last year meant that by the time they got into their stride they played poorer teams and thus kept their noses in front.

It doesnt mean nothing. . .

We werent too good against the other top 3 last season and we won the title. The quality
of the opposition does not come into play when counting points that will win you the league.

I wont support it.

Why should we outlaw it? Its unNigerian

You get 3 points per win. It doesnt matter who you play.

The stat only shows the results in the last 6 games is not as terrible as it
looks on the surface.

debosky:
Conceding goals can be due to having no defenders, but is that also the reason for the poor form upfront?  

It is astonishing that this side relies on the contributions of Giggs so much - he was sorely missed.  Playing with Rooney, Berbatov, Owen, Ando, Valencia and Scholes yet few chances created. . . Fergie needs to reexamine his squad ASAP and look at where he needs to buy.

I am still worried about Crizzle. . . .has anyone seen her yet?

PS - give Utd some credit, they did have 4 shots on goal according to the BBC. 

When you're so fragile at the back and you're playing midfielders at the back, you'll lack
a bit of confidence and it can affect your going forward as well.

That shouldnt be too hard to figure.

If you were playing Fabrigas and Denilson in the centre of defence, do you honestly think you'll
still be blazing up front?

But why isnt chelsea like 10 points ahead by now?

tkb417:
i think the bigger teams are washed up
rubbish

Manchester UTD leads the train tho

Na yeye we dey play but we cant really expect much in the present circumstance.

eyoniggar:
A make-shift defense Barcelona mauled the red-devils 2-0 in the FINALS.

Must we talk nonsense all the time?

Make shift defense featuring natural, experienced defenders. You want to compare that to using Fletcher and Carrick in in the middle?

@ mancs,

The funny thing is that these losses no dey move me at all. The only surprise is the fact that Chelsea are only 4 points ahead.

Are the smaller teams getting better or are the bigger teams getting weaker?

I think its the latter.

europe76:
plz niraland pals, can sum1 tell me d name of d club jay jay okocha owns in V.I?,

Its on Saka Tinubu. Off Akin Adesola. Club 10

Its a cool place

He's been sacked. I heard it a couple of minutes ago.

Yet to find a link

I laughed when I saw the report

Princek12:
Okocha played in the world Cup when he was young

Remember he played 3 matches in the qualifiers and he was already a sensation in the
German league

Princek12:
Messi played for Argentina straight from the U-17 squad

Wrong!

Messi did not play under17 for Argentina

Princek12:
Michael Owen was a teenage sensation and was called up to the senior squad at the U-17 level

Wrong again! He did not play for the Under 17 team. Besides, Owen was already a full fledged
Liverpool first teamer before the world cup. He was the joint top scorer in the premiership the
season before the world cup.

Dont talk about Stanley Okoro in the same breath

kcjazz:
There we go again with "inject new blood mentality". 2002 remember? What is Babayaro saying? Are the foreign based players Chinese? The home based players might be said to be dedicated but the game also needs technicality. Look at TP Mazembe at the world club soccer, it shows a difference that the game is down to a science not just "I sabi play"

Amodu has chosen his team, wait and see if he succeeds and if not fire him. The problem of Nigerian football is not Amodu Shuaibu

When one retires from football and goes into Nollywood, he begins to talk football from his a.rse.

honeric01:
After the world cup, 90% of the current SE should be flushed away without apologies.

And bring in who?

The management of any organization must have considered a lot of factors before laying of staff. If
they do, it ill be in the best interest of the organization and good luck to those affected.

tkb417:
u have a virus disturbin your brain cos we cant understand your point
have u been duped? No and ure makin noise like this
what happens whn u lose?

hehehehe

tk, I ignored that post because at NairaBET, we pay people everyday. A chap won 250k with just N100
and we paid him in 24 hours. There is not point replying everyone in every forum talking about your
business

tk,

Which one be ya own an HITV? You get shares there?

[quote author=becomrich, link=topic=260778.msg5058017#msg5058017 date=1260084638]Why did you call it new picture of lagos. what is the difference. This is how some part of the island looks like.

Show the picture of mainland. The island is just is less than 10% of lagos. apart from this falomo flower bed, what new. Nothing from what I see. I cant see the different.

What is the different??


This road was there before 1976[/quote]The thread says share yours.