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PoliticsRe: This Is What Will Happen On The Day Fuel Subsidy Is Removed by aletheia(m): 12:31pm On Nov 23, 2011
@topic:

Nothing will happen. Nice fictional write up though.
PoliticsRe: Nursing Mother Jailed 7 Days For Stealing Indomie- What A Country! by aletheia(m): 12:02pm On Nov 18, 2011
redsun:
Even manslaugther gets community service sometimes in england depending on the circumstances of the case and the animal that calls himself a learned man is jailing a poor nursing mother for stealing mere food,food that she probably need to feed her unfortunate child.
^
gulfer:
He added that the woman stole some biscuits, Viju milk, eggs, packets of cigarettes and Bournvita among other items from the shops of Mulikat Agbeja and Folasade Suleieman.
. . .so the "unfortunate child" smokes cigarettes? Right?
PoliticsRe: Nursing Mother Jailed 7 Days For Stealing Indomie- What A Country! by aletheia(m): 10:32am On Nov 18, 2011
[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=806103.msg9581761#msg9581761 date=1321594565]. . .they should have taken her condition as a nursing mother into consideration and should have infact given her twice as much as she stole.[/quote]^So being a nursing mother has become a justifiable excuse for stealing?
[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=806103.msg9581761#msg9581761 date=1321594565]And yet we have corrupt politicians walking on the street.[/quote]You are as corrupt as the corrupt politicians since in your book, there are justifiable reasons for stealing. No doubt the politicians do justify their stealing as well.
Christianity EtcRe: Major False Prophets In Nigeria - Must Watch Video added to last page of article by aletheia(m): 2:44pm On Nov 17, 2011
Joagbaje:
What are these heavenly riches?
^If you need to ask this, then your problem is more than I thought. BTW; it is not Naira or Dollars or any of the other currencies that your church chases.
IslamRe: Questions For Muslims: For Those Who Want To Know by aletheia(m): 2:32pm On Nov 17, 2011
From #48 on that thread:


nopuqeater:
The root therefore, we must find, starting from conception. When the organs begin to form inside the body, where each is specifically formed from its unique cluster of cells. Tell us Aletheia from this stage, if you are capable of telling the truth? [/b]This is your challenge. I do have many family members in this noble professions of yours. From sister and brother, nieces and nephews, cousins and even a one from my loin.
I see where you going with this: first you cast aspersions implying I am lying. That which I have seen with my own eyes; I described to you. I hope you understand what it means to dissect the human body?

Secondly
[b]between the back bone and the ribs
is not describing an embryo but the bony structure of a full-formed man.

Thirdly where do the cells that go on to become spermatozoa in the testes form in the embryo? This is a highly technical question whose answer requires the use of specialized language but I will endeavor to simply it for you. The cells that go on to form spermatozoa are called primordial germ cells in the embryo. They originate from parts of the same structure that later on becomes the skin. The skin, we all know is outside covering everything, not between the ribs and backbone.
What is their definite location of origin before moving down: the area that later on becomes your belly button (navel). Is your own belly button between your ribs and backbone? At the time all this is happening (around 4 - 6 weeks after conception [about 6 - 8 weeks after the woman misses her period]) the embryo doesn't even have fully formed ribs or backbone! .

[img]http://www.embryology.ch/images/imgmultuse/c1d_embryo5w.gif[/img]
^The red dots indicate the movement of the primordial germ cells; you can see how they move from the outside around the area of the umbilical cord (later to become your navel).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Human_Embryo.JPG/220px-Human_Embryo.JPG

Please note: the cells that become the spermatozoa are different from those that form the testicles.
And:
between the back bone and the ribs is not describing an embryo but the bony structure of a full-formed man.
IslamRe: Questions For Muslims: For Those Who Want To Know by aletheia(m): 2:26pm On Nov 17, 2011
tbaba1234:
In addition, The seminal vesicles are anterior to the sacrum and coccyx (lower back, loin) and the ribs are anterior to the seminal vesicles.

If one was to draw a line from the tip of the coccyx, to the upper portion of the seminal vesicle _ either one of the two_ and extend the line forward it will catch the ribcage.

The seminal vesicles from which the Fluid spurts out during Reproduction, lies between the ribs and the coccyx!.
^Not true. . . grin grin grin
This "between the backbone and ribs" thingy was comprehensively debunked on this here thread (with diagrams for that matter!).

www.nairaland.com/attachments/328650_male_tract_jpgc5839b1a9afe286db274cb0b2dec8ace

As you can see there are no ribs anywhere near the seminal vesicles.
Christianity EtcRe: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by aletheia(m): 1:55pm On Nov 17, 2011
Pstr James:
Did it ever cross your mind that i could have used my wifes email account? Is there a law against that? huh shocked huh shocked
^Is this the highfalutin explanation of the discrepancy between your id and actual name that I would not understand? I thought you said:
Pstr James:
I dont need to analyse the discrepancy between your name and your profile name to convince you unless if i am a journalist or detective. I wont even bother explaining this because it's not meant for you and i know you wont understand anyway. Think the way you want, its ok.
In any case, all I said was:
aletheia:
Pstr James = Agness Tavengwa (I think), probably not related to existing users. But why "Pstr James"?
All you simply needed to do was clarify the difference; not this pompous runaround, you 've been trying to give me. Your behaviour is typical of someone with something to hide. . .one acting a role, in short a hypocrite. Disciples of Jesus Christ are to be straightforward men and women, not this devious behaviour you have exhibited here.



Pstr James:
ASSUMPTION IS THE MOTHER OF ALL STUPIDITY. A man with a mere arguement is not at the mercy of a man with knowledge. Look for facts in the Bible and don't snoop around. Mind your own business AS THE BIBLE SAYS! (1 THESOLONIANS 4:11) "Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your hands, just as we told you,"
So are you minding your business here? You that all your posts to date have only been on this thread. . .since you are not Uebert himself; how does this qualify as your business? Unless of course, you are here to defend your livelihood.

Pstr James:
I am the kind that quotes the bible, JOB 13:5 " O that ye would altogether hold your peace! and it should be your wisdom."
Im tired of them religious falk who think they can swindle the minds of people just by pulling out religious statements. Who says pastors are not allowed to become angry when there are people trying to manipulate the minds of God's children.
^Even Satan quotes the bible (better than you) and the devils acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God. It doesn't prove you are genuinely a woman of god, Agness Tavengwa.

Pstr James:
Didnt Elijah get angry and slaughter the prophets of baal.
^No he didn't. Stop lying. This is easily verified by even yourself. Just open the relevant Bible passages and read!

Pstr James:
Diddnt paul out of anger respond to Elym? Acts 13 "9 Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight at Elymas and said, 10 “You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord? 11 Now the hand of the Lord is against you. You are going to be blind for a time, not even able to see the light of the sun.”
^Again, stop lying. No where in the verses cited, is it written that Paul responded to Elymas in anger; rather it says: "filled with the Holy Spirit". Perhaps, you mistake anger as being filled with the Holy Spirit? Is that what Uebert teaches you?

Pstr James:
Didnt Jesus respond himself to the pharisees, "You brood of vipers!''
^This is the only thing you got right.

Pstr James:
You are too religious and you teach religion.
^True religion is not a bad thing. What we are against is false religion as exemplified by you and Uebert. The irony is the original James had this to say about religion:
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. (Jas 1:27)
Sadly, you the followers of Uebert are practising a false religion and have fallen into an entrapment. As it is written: Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
(Col 2:18)


Pstr James:
Why Jesus said so Himself to Nathaniel in the Bible. He even expected him to see them
John 1:50-51
" Jesus said, “You believe[h] because I told you I saw you under the fig tree. You will see greater things than that.” 51 He then added, “Very truly I tell you, you[j] will see ‘heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on’[k] the Son of Man.”"
SMH. Clearly you don not understand this allusion to Jacob's vision at Bethel on his way to Padan-Aram in Genesis. So by your arguments; Christians should also expect to venerate and see snakes regularly because Jesus told Nicodemus: [i]And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: (Joh 3:14)
Una do well O!

Pstr James:
Why didnt Peter just pray straight up to Jesus when he was imprisoned if the ministration of angels was not important. The Angel of the Lord went ahead of him, he say it and in seeing it he saw the hand of God and so did all who were waiting for him.
^Clearly, you are not using the same Bible as the rest of us.
Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him. (Act 12:5)
Where here does it suggest the kind of silly and self-serving prayers that your cult indulges in:
Uebert Angel: To see an angel, be expectant to see an angel.

Uebert Angel: When you open the door, say "Angels, I'm home".

Uebert Angel: When you lie on your bed, say the lioness or the lion is about to sleep and in this dream, angels will be talking to me.

Uebert Angel: I strengthen the angels in your live. I multiply the angels, in Jesus' name

Uebert Angel: When I tell someone a mobile number, an angel stands there dialing 0 and I say "zero", 1 and I say "one".
That's why many people can't stand me when I pass by. Why? Because I walk with angels.
^So angels now serve as secretaries to be dialing mobile phone numbers. grin

No doubt Uebert sees angels but I doubt if these are the holy angels of God.

The bottom-line of Uebert's message is revealed thus:
Uebert Angel: Be comfortable with what you have but don't be content.
Uebert Angel: If you confess money and money comes to your house why can't you confess angels?
Uebert Angel: If your bank account has one dollar, I materialise the thousands. I move the thounsands in the spiritual world
^It's all about greed and love for Mammon.

The conclusion of the matter is:


And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
(2Co 11:14-15)

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
(Gal 1:8-9)
PoliticsRe: David Mark Hold Off 'No Confidence’ Vote On GEJ by aletheia(m): 11:37am On Nov 16, 2011
A "vote of no confidence" is meaningful in a Parliamentary Democracy. Nigeria runs the Presidential System with a clear separation of powers. The said senators are only grandstanding; knowing that ever gullible and easily manipulated Nigerians as usual will applaud their meaningless grand gesture. . .meanwhile what have they done to reduce their humongous salaries and allowances?
IslamRe: Questions For Muslims: For Those Who Want To Know by aletheia(m): 11:26pm On Nov 15, 2011
tbaba1234:
Stoning as punishment for intimate sin is not prescribed in the Qur'an, but is prescribed in the hadith—oral traditions relating to the words and deeds of Prophet Muhammad.

"The woman and the man guilty of fornication(or adultery) scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah" (Surah 24:2)
^
The Qur'an prescribes 100 lashes for adultery. . .the hadith says death by stoning. So the Qur'an says one thing while the hadith says another. Islamic jurisprudence follows the hadith in this case and yet you say:
tbaba1234:
Any hadith that contradicts the Quran is invalid.
Why then have you not set aside the hadith that prescribes death by stoning seeing as it says a different thing from the Qur'an? Even saying that:
tbaba1234:
. . .the hadith have different levels of authenticity.
. . .does not help because by your statement, the Qur'an is the ultimate authority on matters of faith for Muslims and therefore any hadith no matter how authentic must be set aside if it says anything different on a matter already covered by the Qur'an.

But since the hadith is regarded as authentic then; it is accepted. This must place you in a bind for that very hadith directly implies that your Qur'an is incomplete, and if incomplete, then it is imperfect.
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
, In the meantime, 'Umar sat on the pulpit and when the callmakers for the prayer had finished their call, 'Umar stood up, and having glorified and praised Allah as He deserved, he said, "Now then, I am going to tell you something which (Allah) has written for me to say. I do not know; perhaps it portends my death, so whoever understands and remembers it, must narrate it to the others wherever his mount takes him, must narrate it to the others wherever his mount takes him, but if somebody is afraid that he does not understand it, then it is unlawful for him to tell lies about me. Allah sent Muhammad with the Truth and revealed the Holy Book to him, and among what Allah revealed, was the Verse of the Rajam, the stoning of married person (male & female) who commits illegal sexual intercourse, and we did recite this Verse and understood and memorized it. Allah's Apostle did carry out the punishment of stoning and so did we after him.

I am afraid that after a long time has passed, somebody will say, 'By Allah, we do not find the Verse of the Rajam in Allah's Book,' and thus they will go astray by leaving an obligation which Allah has revealed. And the punishment of the Rajam is to be inflicted to any married person (male & female), who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if the required evidence is available or there is conception or confession. And then we used to recite among the Verses in Allah's Book: 'O people! Do not claim to be the offspring of other than your fathers, as it is disbelief (unthankfulness) on your part that you claim to be the offspring of other than your real father.' (Sahih Bukhari 8.817)


So where did the missing verse go?
Christianity EtcRe: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by aletheia(m): 5:56pm On Nov 15, 2011
aletheia:
Pstr James = Agness Tavengwa (I think), probably not related to existing users. But why "Pstr James"?
Pstr James:
I dont need to analyse the discrepancy between your name and your profile name to convince you unless if i am a journalist or detective.
Touched a nerve there now, did I?  grin

What relationship does "Agness Tavengwa" bear to "Pstr James". Why do you a woman seek to pass yourself off as a male (for that is the subliminal impression created by a name such as James)? And how are you a "pastor"?
Christianity EtcRe: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by aletheia(m): 4:10pm On Nov 15, 2011
Pstr James:
We only quote that which is necessary.
But of course, "pastor" James, you only quote that which you can twist to support your heresies.

aletheia:
. . .deceived men can make isolated bible verses mean almost anything they want it to mean.


wetu:
Nairaland is not a place to preach, it's a battleground for truth.
+1

wetu:
I would love to know if you are "related" to one another or some other existing users on NL.
^Pstr James = Agness Tavengwa (I think), probably not related to existing users. But why "Pstr James"?
Christianity EtcRe: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by aletheia(m): 2:22pm On Nov 15, 2011
Pstr James:
Apostle Paul says, in (Phillipians 4:13) "I CAN DO all things through Christ which strengtheneth me."
Context is important. . ."cut and join" exegesis will not cut it at all. Surely they taught you that in Bible school "pastor".

Here are the verses you left out:

Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content. I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Notwithstanding ye have well done, that ye did communicate with my affliction. Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.  (Php 4:11-15)

As the old joke of the guy who decides to pick out two key verses in the Bible to live by and ends up with "And Judas went and hanged himself" and "Go thou and do likewise" shows; deceived men can make isolated bible verses mean almost anything they want it to mean.

Pstr James:
If God is the three in one and the same God is in you then have you not been joined to Christ?
^What exactly does the conditional "If" in this statement indicate? While the Bible is clear that believers are joined to Christ, does it teach that they are God? What Bible verse says: "God is the three in one"? Do you find anywhere in scripture, such language used to describe God? Aren't these examples of preconceived notions that you charge someone else with holding:

Pstr James:
Preconcieved ideas are often the breeding ground for misconceptions.
IslamRe: Questions For Muslims: For Those Who Want To Know by aletheia(m): 1:49pm On Nov 15, 2011
tbaba1234:
Islamic law is based on the Quran and the teachings of the Prophet because the Quran says:

The only saying of the faithful believers,when they are called to Allah (His Words, the Quran) and His Messenger (SAW), to judge between them, is that they say: WE HEAR AND WE OBEY.And such are the prosperous ones (who will live forever in Paradise ). (Surah Al-Nur, Ayat 51]

We obey the teachings of the prophet because the Quran says so: Not the other way around. There are many instances where the prophet example guides a muslim's life.

One quick example which is frequently used but is a great reminder.Allah (swt) commands us to pray but does not tell us how. So how do we know how to pray? From the Sunnah of the Prophet (saw). And how do we know the Sunnah? From the hadith.

Allah (swt) commanded us to follow the Prophet (saw), and that can't be done without Hadith.

The Quran in its perfection gave us an example to help us follow its values.

The fact the punishment was prescribed by the prophet who we are commanded to obey by God is enough.

The completeness of the Quran is in that it gives you a course of action to take, in every situation.
^. . .but you did not actually answer my question:
aletheia:
Here are my questions:
1. Which Quranic verse prescribes stoning as the punishment for adultery.
Perhaps, I did not make myself clear enough. Let me rephrase:

What is the specific punishment prescribed by the Quran for adultery?
IslamRe: Questions For Muslims: For Those Who Want To Know by aletheia(m): 1:37am On Nov 15, 2011
tbaba1234:
Adultery
The punishment for adultery is stern
tbaba1234:
Any hadith that contradicts the Quran is invalid.
Here are my questions:
1. Which Quranic verse prescribes stoning as the punishment for adultery.
2. How do you reconcile this punishment with the claim that the Quran is complete and perfect?
IslamRe: Questions For Muslims: For Those Who Want To Know by aletheia(m): 12:53am On Nov 15, 2011
tbaba1234:
Well, The Quran defines God as follows:
Surah 112
1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none like unto Him.

So you see why i don't understand your conclusions.
Why are you getting your knickers into a twist? Without reading the books; how do you know if Tash doesn't also have these attributes? grin
You said:
tbaba1234:
I haven't read the book sorry::
And I replied:
aletheia:
I think you should read the two books I mentioned first. You may disagree with my assessment after reading it. . .but you have no way of judging if I am right in my view that Tash bears similarities to Allah until you do so.
IslamRe: Questions For Muslims: For Those Who Want To Know by aletheia(m): 12:45am On Nov 15, 2011
[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=802617.msg9557703#msg9557703 date=1321306891]alethia

. . .

its very annoying when people act oversabi like this.

learn to apply common sense plz.

as far as i'm concerned, your post has nothing to do with my question and neither is anyone asking you for a list of books vetted by you.[/quote]^Stop being silly and hypocritical and going off on a tangent. . .do you suffer from an inferiority complex or have difficulty understanding English? Don't you understand the question you yourself asked?
[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=802617.msg9551044#msg9551044 date=1321243331]anyway, my question is i'd like to have some muslim commentary about the book the horse and his boy by c s lewis.[/quote]^Why ask Muslims about a fictional book by a widely acclaimed Christian author unless there is something in it that you think pertains to Muslims? Maybeyou really didn't understand the character portrait of the Calormenes as described by Lewis.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=802617.msg9551044#msg9551044 date=1321243331]ie assuming anyone read it.[/quote]^This as I understand it is an invitation to anyone that has read the book to comment. . .after all this is a public forum.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=802617.msg9551044#msg9551044 date=1321243331]non-theological responses plz- just personal thoughts about the subject.[/quote]^You asked Muslims about their thoughts concerning C.S. Lewis; and you say "non-theological". Really? Aren't you a tad confused?

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=802617.msg9557703#msg9557703 date=1321306891]. . .neither is anyone asking you for a list of books vetted by you.[/quote]^Of course, this only highlights how insecure you are. I am free to express my opinion on books just as you solicited opinions of Muslims. . .if you don't like that, go borrow a mop and go mop the River Niger.
Christianity EtcRe: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by aletheia(m): 4:33pm On Nov 14, 2011
^I find it surprising that Jo does not complain about post #132 (where he is called a cretin) the one just preceding post #133 (where Kunle's language is actually quite measured). Seems to me some personal animus here.
IslamRe: Questions For Muslims: For Those Who Want To Know by aletheia(m): 1:33pm On Nov 14, 2011
tbaba1234:
So what similarities are we talking about?
^
tbaba1234:
I haven't read the book sorry::
I think you should read the two books I mentioned first. You may disagree with my assessment after reading it. . .but you have no way of judging if I am right in my view that Tash bears similarities to Allah until you do so.

BTW take note of my caveats:
aletheia:
. . .It is doubtful if the Chronicles of Narnia can be considered suitable Christian reading.
IslamRe: Questions For Muslims: For Those Who Want To Know by aletheia(m): 12:45pm On Nov 14, 2011
[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=802617.msg9551044#msg9551044 date=1321243331]. . .i'd like to have some muslim commentary about the book the horse and his boy by c s lewis.[/quote]I am not a Muslim. . .but I see the Calormenes as a thinly veiled reference to Islam by C.S. Lewis. This is not so apparent in The Horse and His Boy, but becomes clearer in The Last Battle, where we see that the Calormene god Tash bears striking similarities to the Islamic god.

It would also appear in the fate that befell Emeth that C.S. Lewis believed that one might be saved apart from the gospel (if we take his allegorical tales as commonly interpreted). It is doubtful if the Chronicles of Narnia can be considered suitable Christian reading.
PoliticsRe: Biafra Built Three Planes In 3 Years? by aletheia(m): 10:41am On Nov 14, 2011
jason123:
In Korea, we have Singapore.
This wrong and nonfactual statement makes one wonder if you know what you are talking about, or just talking through your hat.
Christianity EtcRe: False Prophet: Uebert Angel by aletheia(m): 9:59am On Nov 14, 2011
wetu:
Beverly Angel: Say "I am a fourth member of the trinity". . .
Joagbaje:
What is the falsehood?. . .
wetu:
If you don't see the falsehood, I can't point it out to you either. Anyone who has a Bible and reads it can make their own conclusion. . .
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Answers real Life Questions Here. by aletheia(m): 4:57pm On Nov 12, 2011
^ grin grin grin
And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not; And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away.
(1Co 7:30-31)
PoliticsRe: What happens to Middle Belt? by aletheia(m): 9:12am On Nov 11, 2011
@Topic: The Middle-Belt has existed right from before independence. They have always demanded a separate identity (Google and read the Willinks Commission Report). . .but were denied by the British.

See posts #127, #128, #129, #132, #134 on this pre-election thread.


Have you read the Willink commission report. We the minorities of the North have waited 50 years for this day.
PoliticsRe: Biafra Built Three Planes In 3 Years? by aletheia(m): 4:43pm On Nov 10, 2011
Beaf:
So many of the things they managed in their short lifespan leave one awe struck. Here are some:

Ogbunigwe (missile).
Refining of coal for petrol.
Local armoured cars.
I hardly see what the big deal is about these so-called technological "achievements". Certainly it demonstrates resourcefulness in the face of adversity and overwhelming odds, but that is all it is. To hold them up as some major leap in technological development is rather far-fetched and betrays how 40+ years on, we still do not distinguish between the reality and the myth of Biafra.
PoliticsRe: Biafra Built Three Planes In 3 Years? by aletheia(m): 4:36pm On Nov 10, 2011
At topic:
NOT TRUE. What the Biafrans did was to outfit Swedish single-engine MFI-9B trainers to hold rockets in pods under its wing under the tutelage of Count Carl Gustaf von Rosen.
We modified aircraft from trainer to fighters, from passenger aircraft to bombers.
---Dim Odumegwu Ojukwu
http://www./3Years.htm
Carl Gustaf von Rosen had the planes painted in camouflage colours, fitted with rockets from Matra and proceeded with a band of friends to form a squadron called Babies of Biafra to strike the air fields from which the federal Nigerian Air Force launched their attacks against the civilian population in Biafra. On May 22, 1969, and over the next few days, Von Rosen and his five aircraft launched attacks against Nigerian air fields at Port Harcourt, Enugu, Benin and other small airports. The Nigerians were taken by surprise and a number of expensive jets, including a few MiG-17 fighters and three out of Nigeria's six Ilyushin Il-28 bombers, were destroyed on the ground.[2]

The pilots included Lynn Garrison among a group of other mercenaries.[3] Lynn Garrison coordinated the attacks, personally destroying an Ilyushin Il-28 and a MiG-17.

The MiniCOINs saw extensive service during most of the war, including the delivery of food aid drops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malm%C3%B6_MFI-9
The Nigeria Airforce has built and used for several years now, a light trainer aircraft it dubs the Air Beetle.
PoliticsRe: Nigerians are More Optimistic Than Westerners - BBC by aletheia(m): 3:14pm On Nov 09, 2011
"Hope" is the thing with feathers—
That perches in the soul—
And sings the tune without the words—
And never stops—at all—

And sweetest—in the Gale—is heard—
And sore must be the storm—
That could abash the little Bird
That kept so many warm—

I've heard it in the chillest land—
And on the strangest Sea—
Yet, never, in Extremity,
It asked a crumb—of Me.

---Emily Dickinson
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Answers real Life Questions Here. by aletheia(m): 11:04am On Nov 09, 2011
Joagbaje:
DOES GOD FROWN AT COSMETIC SUGERY?
^So whether or not to have cosmetic surgery is one of Life's tough questions? grin grin grin
And the man only treated the question in shallow, callow, superficial manner.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
(2Ti 4:3)


There is world of difference between entertaining goats and feeding sheep.
Christianity EtcRe: What Was The Difference Between Abraham And Lot's Wife by aletheia(m): 5:50pm On Nov 08, 2011
newmi:
l spit at this
You would spit at scripture verses like the rabid dog you are, foaming at the mouth. . .
Unless it came out of your "Rhapsody of Errors", you wouldn't understand it. The only thing you want to hear are self-affirming platitudes, worshiper of Mammon and Chris Oyaks.

Now tell us. What is the difference between Lot's wife and Abraham?
While you are it, do answer these questions:
aletheia:
Answer these questions:
Was Abraham living in Sodom? Was Abraham fleeing from Sodom? Did Abraham disobey a command?
Christianity EtcRe: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by aletheia(m): 5:37pm On Nov 08, 2011
Barr rich:
Enigma,

You have to understand that christianity does not appeal to reason.
^Explain this then:
And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

Believing and following Jesus is logical, consistent and reasonable otherwise. . .
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, (Act 17:2)
And he [b]reasoned [/b]in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. (Act 18:4)
And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned [/b]with the Jews. (Act 18:19)
And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and [b]reasoned [/b]with the Jews. (Act 18:19)

The gospel seems like foolishness to unbelievers but it is by no means unreasonable.

Barr rich:
What I believe you are trying to say is that, Pastor Chris should have investigated the person that did the giving to know the kind of job he does and how he came across such an amount. Haba Enigma, if you are a Christian I expect you to be more spiritual and less reasonable, because Christianity is a spiritual life and not a reasonable one. Thank you.
^Spare us these specious words. 39 million naira is not small change. . .it would appear that despite the pretense, Chris does not have the [b]gnosis
to discern between tainted and untainted gifts. Ironic, considering that "lesser" ones like Elisha knew when to receive or decline gifts. . .and we 've been told that Chris is a god.
Christianity EtcRe: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by aletheia(m): 5:17pm On Nov 08, 2011
Barr rich:
Ok, let's look at it this way:
the issue of reasonableness does not arise in things that have to do with God. A miracle is not reasonable, is it?
^What a lawyer, you are! This argument will not hold in any court of law. And so it is revealed that this is actually the only argument you can muster, for the facts of the case are well known. I maintain:
aletheia:
^ huh
[size=16pt]All of una be thief. Which kind miracle go make cashier get 39 million naira out of thin air, donate am to church and the thieving pastor and thieving church members no go ask wetin happen, how him take get the money? I repeat, all of una wey dey defend this stealing on this thread be thief. Una go do worse than Lawrence Agada.[/size]
Christianity EtcRe: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by aletheia(m): 3:44pm On Nov 08, 2011
Barr rich:
Another thing to note is that aletheia is not a lawyer, he/she was just posting enigma manuscripts for You
^Is that all you 've got? Yes, I am not a lawyer but I am not blinded by love of money to call what is bad good. Woe to you!

Please respond to the points raised and stop dancing around:


. . .see the crooks lining up, behind a fake lawyer.
Barr rich:
Section 427 of the Criminal Code thus makes receiving anything which has been obtained through the commission of crime also a crime. It is immaterial that the property was not obtained through such a crime in Nigeria. This offence is itself geared towards discouraging stealing and protection of property. Under the Penal Code receiving stolen property is covered by section 316.

Aletheia,


The important elements here are that, you must have ‘received’ the property in question and also have ‘knowledge’ of the fact that the property so received was stolen.
By your own words highlighted in red above, you reinforce what I said and further indict Chris Oyakhilome as a felon. I find it outstanding that a supposed "lawyer" like you; a "good Christian lawyer" according to your comrade in thievery - Joagbaje - does not understand the words you yourself wrote above. How do you argue your clients' cases in court? Please recall these words in post #130 of this thread:


The prophets of Mammon and disciples of Balaam are at it again. . .trying to pull the wool over our eyes. [size=14pt]Chris Oyakhilome is a thief according to the Laws of Nigeria[/size]:

Section 427 of the Criminal Code thus makes receiving anything which has been obtained through the commission of crime also a crime. It is immaterial that the property was not obtained through such a crime in Nigeria. This offence is itself geared towards discouraging stealing and protection of property. Under the Penal Code receiving stolen property is covered by section 316.

The important elements here are that, you must have ‘received’ the property in question and also have ‘knowledge’ of the fact that the property so received was stolen. To constitute ‘receiving’, it is sufficient if you are in actual (physical) possession of the stolen property or if it can be deemed that you are in possession (by virtue of the fact that the stolen property is in possession of someone over whom you have control or authority), either alone or in conjunction with others, or if you have aided the disposal or concealment of such property. See R v. Osakwe [1963] All N.L.R. 362.

In the same vein, knowledge that the property is stolen is required before you can be guilty of the offence. You will however be deemed to have such knowledge if judging from circumstances of the case, a reasonable man ought to have suspected the property in question to have been stolen, for example where the property in question is sold at a ridiculously low price. See R. v. Braimah (1943) W.A.C.A. 197.

The general condition of the property may also indicate that the accused ought to have suspected that the property was stolen e.g. where the name written on it or
other marks of the owner has been defaced or altered.
How do I know that Chris Oyakhilome is a thief;
1) The goods in question were stolen and he took possession of them:

Lawrence Agada, general cashier of Sheraton Hotels and Towers, Ikeja, will not forget January 12, in a hurry. On that fateful day, Chris Oyakhilome, pastor of Christ Embassy Church , Oregun, prophesied in a letter to him that God would do mighty things in his life. “He will cause you to excel and lift you up so high that the world can’t but take notice of you, in Jesus name. Amen.” Agada attracted the prophecy for sowing a seed of a 250 KVA generator valued at N4.4 million to the headquarters of Christ Embassy.
2) The claims that he did not know that the goods in question were stolen falls flat, because it is clearly established that this was brought to his attention:

In Agada’s letter to Oyakhilome made available to Newswatch, he informed the pastor formally that he removed funds belonging to Sheraton Hotel to the tune of N39 million. He said he used the money for “various projects and seeding and blessing of brethren in the church without due authorisation from my organisation.”
Moreover Chris Oyakhilome can. . .be deemed to have such knowledge if judging from circumstances of the case, a reasonable man ought to have suspected the property in question to have been stolen. Certainly common sense not to talk of the Holy Spirit would have told Chris that as a cashier with no visible other source of income, Agada certainly could not be in a position to afford such "sowing". A genuine pastor will ask questions but the greedy and rapacious lupine that is Chris deliberately and willfully ignored this.

3) Even the pastor of the Ifako branch was willing to do the right thing but for. . .

Imonivwerha said soon after the confession of Agada, officials of Sheraton Hotel took a tour of the respective churches to verify his claims. He said the team, which included Agada himself, sighted the big generator and chairs at the headquarters of Christ Embassy. According to him, Christine Davidson-Ekeh, head of mission at Christ Embassy, admitted that Agada acquired both the generator and the chairs for the church.

“At the Ifako church we also sighted, and confirmed from the presiding pastor, Mrs. Sholesi, the respective gifts made to the church by Mr. Agada. She, in fact, confirmed that he was her ‘right hand man’ and volunteered further, her willingness to return the money if she had the means to do so,” said Imonivwerha. He said, however, that Sholesi and Davidson-Ekeh indicated their inability to take any further action on the matter but advised the hotel and Agada to write to Oyakhilome.
So I maintain that not only is Chris Oyakhilome a thief but he is a modern Pharisee who so loves money



As seen above the ruling in R v. Osakwe [1963] All N.L.R. 362, which sets a precedent declares that: "it can be deemed that you are in possession (by virtue of the fact that the stolen property is in possession of someone over whom you have control or authority", so even if Chris Oyaks did not directly receive the stolen property, he is culpable. . .but the facts do show that he did take possession of the stolen goods:
[size=14pt]Chris Oyakhilome[/size], pastor of Christ Embassy Church , Oregun, prophesied in a letter to him that God would do mighty things in his life. “He will cause you to excel and lift you up so high that the world can’t but take notice of you, in Jesus name. Amen.” Agada attracted the prophecy for sowing a seed of a 250 KVA generator valued at N4.4 million to [size=14pt]the headquarters of Christ Embassy.[/size]
Barr rich:
According to you:

Moreover Chris Oyakhilome can. . .be deemed to have such knowledge if judging from circumstances of the case, a reasonable man ought to have suspected the property in question to have been stolen. Certainly common sense not to talk of the Holy Spirit would have told Chris that as a cashier with no visible other source of income, Agada certainly could not be in a position to afford such "sowing". A genuine pastor will ask questions but the greedy and rapacious lupine that is Chris deliberately and willfully ignored this.

I have told you before that according to the Bible our riches are not supplied by the job we do, but by Christ Jesus.
What do you mean by a genuine pastor?
I can tell you that a genuine pastor is the Pastor that believes in miracles for his members not the one that will tell his members during offering time to line up with their offerings and begin to question the source of their income. Thank you.
^ huh
[size=16pt]All of una be thief. Which kind miracle go make cashier get 39 million naira out of thin air, donate am to church and the thieving pastor and thieving church members no go ask wetin happen, how him take get the money? I repeat, all of una wey dey defend this stealing on this thread be thief. Una go do worse than Lawrence Agada.[/size]




KJV: I Timothy Chapter 6

[6] But godliness with contentment is great gain.
[7] For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
[8] And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
[9] But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
[10] For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
[11] But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.



KJV: Matthew Chapter 6

[24]
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

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