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Joagbaje:
I wish you will really get to know that holy spirit personally. He will make a vessel of honour out of you ,instead of the filth and hate you regularly vomit against Gods people.

^Exposing your false and manipulative teachings is not filth and hate. And stop deceiving yourself that you have the Holy Spirit. . .for your fruits clearly reveal what you are.

Orikinla:
I am a Christian and by the grace of God I shall own more than 4 private jets, IN FACT an airline.
My dream is to have a fleet of emergency rescue jets and helicopters to rescue patients and others in critical conditions.

Now how many of our billionaires have thought of that?

One spent N300 million to pamper his daughter.
But how many people from his state has he given scholarships?

How many Almajiris did Dangote try to re-educate?
UNICEF once consulted me when I was 27 to produce illustrations on nomadic education for nomads in the north and the Almajiris can be educated and rehabilitated if all their rich men and women want to, but they prefer to use them like dogs and when Christians want to convert and minister to help them, they turn them to attack churches and pastors in the north.

Do you know how many people benefit from the largess of the RCCG for their education and welfare?
Our parish pays for those who are poor and when I was very broke over a decade ago, the parish gave me the exact amount I needed to pay the school fees of my youngest brother at a polytechnic in Ogun State.

Bishop Mike Okonkwo paid for the registration of my Christian publishing company and to start up with N30, 000 in 2000.

I was working in the office of the GO and Pastor E.A. Adeboye laid his hands on me to anoint and bless me and Rev. Wilson Badejo contributed to my fund for the first National Essay Competition I sponsored for secondary schools in Nigeria in 2003.

When you read my testimonies on this board, you will know that their blessings have been multiplied over 1000 fold so far.

Do you know how much I am worth today?
The last time I depended on my parents was when I was 17.
I was already a professional writer at 18.

Who among you can beat that record?

^What a self-glorifying paean to yourself. Likely alot of people here have already beaten that so-called record.

Who is a Christian? A slave of Christ.

The Greek word Χριστιανός (christianos)—meaning "follower of Christ"—comes from Χριστός (christos)—meaning "anointed one"[5]—with an adjectival ending borrowed from Latin to denote adhering to, or even belonging to, as in slave ownership

So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do. (Luke 17:10)

All I see above is a litany of I, I, I. . .and some so-called men of God.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

Joagbaje:
How can you be sure what you call false is false.

^The subtlety of your craft manifests.

Christians can be sure because Jesus said so and He promised us the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit who will guide into all truth. What is false is false and can never be relative truth. The standard against which ALL doctrines stand or fail is the Bible. . .and there is no moral relativism therein.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

deols:
this your story get as e be. got me laffn d heck out! what kind of analogy is that

^Mark 4:11. And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

You are without, so. . .

Gaggi:
I'm asking this for a serious reason, I need to beef up my faith.

^Miracles will not beef up your faith. If it were so a whole generation of Israelites would not have perished in the wilderness and all Israel would have accepted Jesus as Messiah.

For we walk by faith, not by sight:

Joagbaje:
Leave us alone to carry on with the deceiving.

^By and by; the truth will out!

@Joagbaje:

You snake! Why do you mention my name on this thread? Did I address you here?

Joagbaje:
I read  aletheia calling image123 false teacher or so just because the guy says he believes Christians are not to take alcohol.

The reasons for calling him that then are well stated in the relevant post:

aletheia:
I am going to use strong language for you. . .because you boldly and barefacedly persist in your lies. You are a false teacher who is too lazy to even check the bible verses you claim that support your lies and who tries to change the meanings of words.
[quote author=Image123 link=topic=686684.msg8507244#msg8507244 date=1307920041]The Numbers 6 in my Bible give different things a nazarite was to separate from(i.e everything related to grape), not a distinction of alcoholic beverages.

This is what Numbers 6:2 says:
Num 6:3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.

Image123:
to intoxicate is to fill or soak. That it's often linked to alcohol doesn't mean that it always should be alcohol as is clear. In this case, you can be full with food or water.

^

in·tox·i·cate
1 : poison
2a : to excite or stupefy by alcohol or a drug especially to the point where physical and mental control is markedly diminished
2b : to excite or elate to the point of enthusiasm or frenzy

Does intoxicate mean to fill or soak? Your lies mount up.

Image123:
Who says its not forbidden by God, are you aware of the passages that speak against wine or do i begin to lay them out.

^
Please do lay out for us to see the passages that forbid drinking wine. Note I do not ask for passages that condemn drunkenness (because those are the ones that you will produce). If you cannot produce just one bible verse that forbids drinking of wine (even in Num 6:20 the Nazarites were permitted to drink wine); then it is proven that you are a lying false teacher!

Image123:
Is DRINKING alcohol for pleasure an appearance of evil?

^
You are no Apostle. Was God promoting an appearance of evil when he commanded:
Deut 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
Or when Jesus changed water into wine?

Image123:
John was on a vow from birth. It's not an indictment on Jesus as an alcoholic. Jesus did not take fermented/old wine. Its not in the scriptures. What He took was grape juice, which was also called new wine. It's a world away from what we compare today, our champagne, ale and lager beer. You and your kind of doctrine are influencing the drinking habit of millions of people around the world, and it's on the negative. People are picking up their vintages and 10-20%s, their gins and spirits, and destroying themselves and their families. i'm also on the look out for those people who drink and don't get drunk.

^
How silly you are, grasping at straws and propping up straw men. Who here says Jesus was an alcoholic? In all ages people have always drunk alcohol. Did Noah need any doctrine to get drunk? Sinful men will find occasion for sin and it is the power of Christ that gives the victory not your silly and unbiblical injunctions.[/quote]

^You clearly discern the motive behind the OP.

Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

Joagbaje:
Jezebel has come Oo

It is clear that I have gotten under your skin, you that pretends christian charity but never ceases in self-promotion, whose god is your belly. I thought you are so filled with "christian love" that you do not call your opponents "names".
And of course, you will now flee post-haste from this thread because cockroaches flee from light. The days for tolerating your nonsense are over. Your false doctrines and teachings will continue to be exposed as long as Christ gives me strength and ability. . .wolf masquerading as sheep that you are.
[img]https://www.nairaland.com/attachments/224942_wolf-in-sheeps-clothing1_jpgc6794c3bcc4208ff3f6a4c27eb7541c8[/img]

^Did the craftsmen constitute the entire population of Ephesus. How could a minority have stirred up a majority, if the majority were not majorly peeved at someone telling them things like: "gods made with hands are not gods." A man that has worshipped false gods all his life; you come and tell him that what he has hoped in is false, do you think according to his natural inclination, he's going to thank you for that news? Or declare that you are:

Pastor AIO:
insulting their religion

In any case; any false prophet is certainly going to feel angry when you tell him he's a false prophet. His followers too are going to be really ticked off. 'Twas always so

thehomer:
Which kingdom is coming to the earth? And which one is in the spirit?

^
The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign for ever and ever.” And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, saying:
“We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign. The nations were angry; and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name, both small and great—and for destroying those who destroy the earth.

It's quite simple.

thehomer:
Do you walk in the spirit? If you do, what does it look like? What does it feel like to live in this kingdom? I too will see this physical manifestation? Then I guess this kingdom will come in my life time. I'm looking forward to it.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

You cannot understand the things of the Spirit unless God gives you the power to become his child. But rest assured that you will certainly see the Son of Man in all His Glory either in your lifetime or after you die.

thehomer:
By that logic, if I keep predicting every day of my life that it will come tomorrow, it will never arrive. Thanks for your clarification.

^Please predict away. That would certainly be an interesting exercise in prognostication. Be sure to follow the example of Harold Camping etc in widely publicizing your predicted dates for the end of the world; you just might establish a cult following. But God says no man can know that hour. You remind me of the ant in this tale:

The train passes by at 2 o' clock every day according to the schedule. Beside the rail track is an ant colony. There is one ant who doesn't believe that trains exist despite the regular rumblings that occur every day as the train passes by. So one day it crawls on to the rail track and begins to loudly declaim "If a train exists, I dare it pass by now". Of course no train passes by, for it is not time according to the schedule. And so the ant repeats this act from time to time until the fateful day when it crawls on to the rail track at just before 2 o' clock. As at other times, it begins: "If a train exists---". The train passes by at 2 o' clock every day according to the schedule. . .and splat goes the ant.

thehomer:
Of course he is slow except when he's sending tsunamis to kill people.

^I find this statement funny. So you believe that God sends tsunamis to kill people. An interesting viewpoint for an atheist/agnostic. Truly hilarious. an atheist who doesn't believe in God. . .except where tsunamis are involved.

thehomer:
Yet he will happily send the vast majority of humans who have ever lived to hell? I hope you realize that no family will be spared of having some people in hell. Any way, it seems like that's where the party will be.

^Choices have consequences. All men deserve to go to hell. . .but God offers you a choice.

Now choose life, so that you and your children may live

Then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. He is

“‘the stone you builders rejected,

which has become the capstone.

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

thehomer:
Well, if God wants to find me, he should know where I am and what to do.

He certainly knows you. . .and He also knows whether at the end you will accept or reject him.

@Joagbaje, who do you want to deceive with this wishy-washy sentimentality?

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.

After being exposed and thus causing you to abandon your ecumenical thread "Christians and Muslims worship the same God", you are now presenting your ecumenical poison in a subtle way. Preaching the gospel will always offend and cause affront. False teachers and followers of false prophets like yourself will be offended and affronted when their false doctrines are exposed. Your sort will always hide under the banner of feeling aggrieved due to perceived insult. . .but that is not surprising because like cockroaches you love darkness:

For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

No doubt this suddenly discovered ecumenical zeal stems from the latest strategy in your company's (Believers Loveworld Incorporated) business expansion plan: to seek to promote ecumenical understanding as a means of increasing global revenues by finding more gullible sheep to fleece. . .since I am sure the global economic turndown must be affecting your revenue stream.

For your edification, Paul caused a massive riot by preaching the gospel.

And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians. 29And the whole city was filled with confusion: and having caught Gaius and Aristarchus, men of Macedonia, Paul's companions in travel, they rushed with one accord into the theatre.

As I told you on this other thread way back in March 2010: You are a deceiver.. In fact that thread exposes your tactic of claiming to be insulted when your heresies are exposed.

thehomer:
But you're the one that presented the spiritual kingdom and the other kingdom that is to come to earth.

^How so? This is what I wrote earlier:

aletheia:
Still, there is a physical component to the kingdom, but the scriptures and Jesus himself makes clear that it as yet a future event that will take place at God's appointed time - a time known only to God.

How can you misconstrue "there is a physical component to the kingdom" to mean two different kingdoms?

thehomer:
Is it the one to come to earth or the spiritual one?

^The kingdom of God which is a spiritual kingdom has a future physical manifestation. As yet you do not see it. . .but those who walk in the Spirit see and live in it. But a time is cominhg when even you thehomer will see it as it becomes physically manifested.

Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.

thehomer:
Yes I fail to see the logic in it. If someone keeps predicting that it will occur tomorrow, according to your logic, it will never occur.

If you predict that it will occur tomorrow, it most certainly will not occur tomorrow. It will occur at a time when men least expect it as the scriptures declare.

thehomer:
Apparently, nothing matters to your God.

You ignore this part of my post:
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance

The souls of men matter to my Heavenly Father who is not pleased with the death of anyone: He loved the world so much that He gave His Only Begotten Son to die for it. Whosoever shall believe in the Son will be saved. . .even you, sceptic as you are.

May the peace of God find you.

thehomer:
So there is the Kingdom of God in the Spirit and the Kingdom of God that is to come to earth? Therefore, there are two Kingdoms of God? How many Gods are we talking about?

^It is one kingdom. The dichotomy is entirely your own interpretation.

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world

thehomer:
Those that weren't to taste death until the coming of this Kingdom, which Kingdom is this?

^The Kingdom of God.

thehomer:
I hope you realize that this means that Jesus will never return based on this certainty of yours. If I proceeded to predict each day as his return and you're certain that he won't return on those predicted days, then he may as well never return in my life time or that of those who will follow.

^I suppose you fail to see the logic in the Christian's position.
1) That day is known to no man except God
2) Therefore no man can predict on which day Jesus will return

You also must be ready all the time, for the Son of Man will come when least expected.(NLT)

thehomer:
Me, I cling to the Rock of Gibraltar.

^

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

thehomer:
Of course being a scoffer is no trivial task. It has been going on for centuries now. I wonder how many days these last days are supposed to be. How long will it be before we decide to call it "the last millennia"?

^The timeline following the Resurrection and Ascension of Jesus Christ is described in the Bible as the "last days." Whether 2 or 3 millenia; it matters not to God.

but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.

But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance

@thehomer:

Thank you for your response.

The Word of God never fails.

Luke 9:27

But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God.” (ESV)

Matt 16:28

Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

These verses do not refer to the event called "the rapture". Other biblical verses describe it. Rather these verses talk about the Kingdom of God. . .of which in other verses this is said about the Kingdom of God

Luke 17:20-21. Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed, nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

The Kingdom of God is the Kingdom of the Spirit. . .and so it is written:

Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spiritb gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘Youc must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

John 18:36-37. Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice

Still, there is a physical component to the kingdom, but the scriptures and Jesus himself makes clear that it as yet a future event that will take place at God's appointed time - a time known only to God.

Acts 1:6. When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Matt 24:36-37. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be

Acts 3:20-21. And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

The event that is popularly known as the "rapture" is the physical return of Jesus to the earth at some time in the future to establish the physical Kingdom of God on earth, an event that is nearer now than ever:

When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

So for me as a Christian I am 100% certain that any predicted date for the return of Jesus is most assuredly not the day he will return. In fact things are going to get much more worse than they currently are before the return of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. . .so you better find a Rock to cling to (Jesus is the only Rock that will save you) for the storm is most assuredly coming and men's souls will surely be tried by the events soon to come upon the world.

Nonetheless your scoffing is not surprising for in so doing you do fulfill the scripture and assure me that these indeed are the last days:

2 Peter 3:3-4. Most importantly, I want to remind you that in the last days scoffers will come, mocking the truth and following their own desires. They will say, “What happened to the promise that Jesus is coming again? From before the times of our ancestors, everything has remained the same since the world was first created.” (NLT)

thehomer:
The Bible said some who were with Jesus would see it. Unless there are some people who are about 2000 years old wandering on the earth, I see no point keeping a look out for people floating away into heaven but I could be wrong so I look forward to those who make such predictions within my life time and theirs.

^So this is the raison d'etre for your crusade.
I am a Christian and I cannot find in my Bible where it says that some who were then alive with Jesus would be "raptured" in short order. Perhaps you will be so kind as to educate and enlighten me as to the location of said bible verses. In fact the closing verses of the gospel of John give short shrift to such an idea taking root in the mentality of the disciples.

Two words? One will suffice. . .

Deluded

thehomer:
My point is that the rapture is expected to occur in two days time. Camping and his followers were Christians the last time I checked.

^I see. Among those who call themselves "Christians", do Camping and his followers constitute the majority? Do the majority of those who call themselves "Christian" believe that "rapture" will occur in a couple of days? And most importantly. . .what does the Bible itself say about the event called "the rapture"?

Please as before can I have your answer in simple words so I can understand what you are about.

At topic: The OP betrays ignorance of the geopolitics that is at play in every coup that has ever happened in Nigeria. The mood now among the international powers does not support any coup. Any starry-eyed id*iot that tries any such thing will be confounded by the swift and brutal intervention of the western powers. . .not to talk of the rapid descent of chaos and the ensuing disintegration of the entity called Nigeria.

thehomer:
Two days to go, its almost here. Make careful plans not to be around heavy machinery like cars during the rapture in case some of the operators start floating away thereby causing accidents.
Those of you expecting to be raptured away should please avoid driving. And just donate your cars to charity.

^Those expecting to be raptured this month are the followers of Camping. . .and I doubt if any of them are members of or frequent this forum. So what exactly is the point you seek to make? Please spell it out in words of one syllable so that I can understand.

And here is proof positive that you really meant "Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God":

On this other thread LagosShia said this:

LagosShia:
the above is the sequence of the kingdoms historically as prophecized by Daniel,the prophet.for us to justify that the islamic empire is the fifth we have to go back to the prophecy and see what it says:


in the above verses we should take into account the following:

1. the first kingdom is the kingdom of Nebuchadnezzar (babylonia);after his shall come a second,third and fourth,until God Himself sets up the fifth.

2. A kingdom inferior to Nebuchadnezzar's shall arise after Nebuchadnezzar's i.e. the Persian Empire which is the second kingdom

3. the events of the prophecy shall take place successively starting with Nebuchadnezzar's first kingdom.then,the persian empire and then the greek empire.

4. Roman Empire Augustus Caesar (27 B.C.E-14 C.E.) Fourth Kingdom (legs of iron,feet
of iron and clay;the kingdom divided into west and east)

5. the kingdom of God:Islam

the prophecy explains starting from the kingdom of Nebuchadnezzar (babylonia),the succession of a total of four kingdoms.the prophecy tells us of the fifth here:



let us emphasize the time factor the prophecy tells us:"and in the days of these kings".notice that describing the fifth kingdom,there is a striking difference between the fifth kingdom and the previous four.the fifth kingdom would be established by God and not by the will of men.the prophecy also clearly states that this kingdom would be established in the days of those kings in a successive and immediate manner.

indeed the fifth kingdom is the [[islamic empire]] and it was established and it replaced the previous four kingdoms.the islamic empire was bigger than the roman empire,a world power and it consumed the lands and peoples of the previous four kingdoms by defeating them.it was only islam that defeated all the previous four and consumed them,both their lands and their peoples.and it was only islam that was started by a man (Muhammad) who claimed to be a prophet of God,the God of Mosesand Jesus.

Here is Joagbaje's reply:

Joagbaje:
@lagoshia

You made a good poit about the 5 kingdoms, [size=16pt]I think youre biblically accurate in your interpretation.[/size] Except that your "day of wrath and war" can you clarify that !

The screen capture is included so you can't go back and alter the post as you are in the habit of erasing the "evidence".

Of course LagosShia joyously responded to your post above accordingly:

LagosShia:
so based on the above sentence of confirmation,are we soon having a new brother in Islam called "Joagbaje"?

Joagbaje:
I have enough spiritual friends . Who displays christ character .I won't want your friendship for anything in the world .

^You are quoting scripture: You that doesn't believe that Jesus is perfect; You that believes you are God. You that believes that Jesus the Word was not eternal but Joagbaje in his grandiose delusion is pre-existent.

Joagbaje:
Don't push me, what if I tell you Jesus wasn't there in the beginning?

Sure you have "spiritual friends"; they are called demons. Even the devil quotes scripture to deceive.

Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to deceitful spirits, and doctrines of demons

Joagbaje:
Is it the title that is the issue or the video? The title is to get attention to the video. But I had to edit the title for small minds like you. Your response is not justified. Well ,for you in not surprised . You look for every opportunity to vomit ungodly venom from your inside.But remember you will account for every idle words.

Ephesians 4:29
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.


Your heart still need purifying

^
You are a duplicitous, deceptive, deceit-filled, double-faced deceiver. It is not idle words to counter your falsehoods. Such a lame excuse being offered up for changing the title of this thread. Why didn't you make clear until I pointed it out that you had changed the title. Here is one of the gems you served up in the past that clearly reveals what you are. A deceiver claiming to be a follower of Christ.

Joagbaje:
Jesus wasn't perfect either, . . .

Surely you don't expect me to extend the hand of fellowship to you as long as you peddle your craft and refuse to repent.

^Clearly you are a deceiver. After being sternly rebuked by various brothers you went back and changed the title of the original post to read "Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God ?", rather than the emphatic and declarative "Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God" which was what you wrote initially. This is revealed by the fact that posts #1 to #17 show the original title in their subject lines. Indeed this particular post is the first to show the new altered title/ Shame on you!

So then my reply to your deceptive question on the other thread is justified:

Joagbaje:
@moderators
I see people add "EDIT" if they modify a post . Is it a must?

aletheia:
^ For you: It is a must. Or are you thinking of how to erase past "evidence"?

@Joagbaje: They most definitely do not. . .you have come again with your lying words and false doctrines. But I am not surprised.


Go and acquaint yourself with what Islam believes before posting any further on this thread.

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Islam is in transgression of this scriptures and here you are: A supposed pastor making the egregious claim that the Baal of Mecca that Muslims worship is Yahweh.

@frosbel: I think you have swung from one extreme to the other. Israel today is a mixture of true Jews and false Jews just as it was a mixed multitude then that followed Moses out of Egypt. The Lord knows those who truly are the physical descendants of Jacob. . .the inheritors of the land of Israel as God promised in perpetuity to Abraham.

frosbel:
Are you serioulsy telling me that if Jews reject Christ they will be saved by some other means 

^Only through Jesus can any man whether Jew or Gentile be saved. As the scriptures make plain: God will have mercy on whomsoever He desires to have mercy on. Do you ignore this written in Zechariah?

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Can you indicate when this scripture was fulfilled?

The book of Daniel has much to say concerning present-day Israel. How about studying it.

I am not holding brief for Hagee and the likes. In fact I disagree with most of the pentecostal movement's eschatological doctrines. The attempt to rebuild the Jewish temple is an act of rebellion against God's word (similar to Emperor Justin the Apostate). . .and part of the antichrist delusion that falls upon the church in this last days. Nonetheless, a balanced view of the scripture as highlighted by David above should one to conclude that God has not altogether cast away physical Israel.

Joagbaje:
@moderators
I see people add "EDIT" if they modify a post . Is it a must?

^ For you: It is a must. Or are you thinking of how to erase past "evidence"?

@OP: Use the Help function (Press the F1 button) in MS Access. That should answer your questions. . .I 've found it to be very useful.

davidylan:
Aal iz well.

^Nice movie!

@JeSoul: I was trying to avoid derailing thread with an argument about the merits or demerits of the NIV. I suppose I'll respond now.

@manmustwac: I suppose you will now lock this thread. Or won't you?