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talk2me006: @alexis

I always said alexis and co do not follow jesus but rather follow paul confused doctrine.. Jesus said he has not come to abolished the law bur rather to fufill it.. And the law is 10 commadment..Now alexis said no more law to be follow
Your yansh has been exposed once again as usual

Let us test your bible education, it seems that you lack basic bible studying. The Old Testament said, if a woman and man commit adultery, they should be put to death?

Deuteronomy 22: 22 === If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

Leviticus 20:10 === If a man commits adultery with another man's wife-with the wife of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death"

So, the LAW was clear; if you commit adultery, you will be put to death. Now, when Jesus came and a woman what was caught in the act of adultery was brought to him; what happened? The Story is told in John Chapter 8:1-11

1. Jesus went unto the mount of Olives 2. And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them 3. And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst 4. They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act 5. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6. This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not 7. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her 8. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground 9. And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst 10. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11. She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more

I am sure you know how to read and what the above verses mean to you. Under the law (Old Testament), that women should be put to death. Jesus set a better STANDARD, it is called forgiveness; Christians call it grace. That is why you will hear most Christians say, I am not under the Law but under Grace. That simple means there is a new/better standard. That was what I meant when I said Christianity uses wisdom. Jesus is the prime example of every Christian and if he is the One that can forgive someone and not condemn them (because the law condemns them), we should follow that.

The same Law said an eye for an eye - it is the law. What did Jesus teach? Forgiveness, He said turned the other cheek; don't retaliate. So, did Jesus fulfill the law? YES! but He went further and set a new and better standard.

talk2me006

Cant u learn the right way to debate..
I admit that there are many por.n words and that bible has been corrupt . And i supported my facts with points..
And U Didnt defend none of the fact i presented to u instead you dodge it and jump to another question..
For u to not defend those p.orn word that means we can conclude that your bible was not inspired by God and can neva be an injeel..And bible has been corrupt

If you want to debate, then I will engage you. When people debate, there are rules. You pasted several texts. You started with Songs of Solomon which you didn't know how to spell and I addressed it. So, if you want to debate me - you have to agree for us to follow certain rules. You ask one question and I do the same. I give you the chance to answer and vice-versa. If you agree, I will debate you so we can learn from each other. I posted several questions as well and you ignored them

I REPEAT, HOW CAN U SEE THE INJEEL AGAIN AFTER YOUR PEOPLE HAVE RE EDITED IT AND CORRUPT IT..
INJEEL HAS BEEN LOST. GET THAT TO UR SKULL
IF U DIDNT AGREE. WITH THAT,SHOW US THAT UR BIBLE IS PURELY GOD WORD..
ATLEAST WE HAVE PROVIDED U MANY REASONS WHY BIBLE HAS BEEN CORRUPTED.. WHY CAN U IN TURNS CONVICE US THAT YOUR BIBLE IS NOT CORRUPT

Before the Bible was "corrupted" or before "my people" re-edited it; you claimed there was an un-corrupted version. How possible is it for Christians to corrupt millions of Bible at the same time? It's a cheap attempt to say there is no more un-corrupted version. In the court of law and in debate, you present facts. prove your case and show us an un-corrupted version. Stop going around in circles. AGAIN, I OPENLY CHALLENGE YOU - PLEASE PROVIDE PROOF OF THE UN-CORRUPTED BIBLE AS EVIDENCE. WE HAVE TO COMPARE THE 'CORRUPTED" WITH A STANDARD; WHERE IS THAT STANDARD. If the standard doesn't exist or you can't produce it - then you HAVE NO CASE BROS

I don't need to convince you that the Bible is not corrupt. You made that claim, the burden of proof is on you, not me.

BOTH MUHAMMAD AND JESUS ARE THE GOD PROPHET..THEY TEACH NOTHING BUT ONENESS OF GOD.. IF U DIDNT BELIEVE THAT GO HUG TRANSFORMER..

Surah 53:19-22 === Mohammed taught that you should worship Allah daughters when he wanted support of the Qurnish tribe. The true, vital issue about the Satanic verses is this. If Muhammad were unable to distinguish Satan's voice from God's voice, then could there be verses in the Qur'an that Muhammad assumed were from God but were really from Satan? Maybe much of the Qur'an is Satanic in origin, in spite of Muhammad's conviction that it was entirely from Allah.

How can a prophet of God be deceived by the whisper of satan? Is that even possible?

NO MUSLIM WILL ABUSE JESUS AND MUHAMMAD . IT IS U AND UR PEOPLE THAT ALWAYS SPREAD LIE ABOUT MUHAMMAD. MUSLIMS NEVA DISTURBED WITH THAT ..BECAUSE.,UNBELIEVER BEFORE YOU SAID MORE THAN THAT AND WITH THAT THE NAME OF MUHAMMAD CONTINUES TO SHINE AND SHINE LIKE GOLD.

You call the Bible a book of pp..oo.rr.n and you don't call that an insult. Muslims deny the Sonship and deity of Jesus and you don't call that an insult. Your Quran lies and said he never died and say that is not an insult. Are you high?

When we speak the truth about Islam, you start crying. Is saying Mohammed was a thief and armed robber a lie? Is saying he married an underage child a lie? Is saying he said Adam was 90 feet tall a lie?

READ THIS.. Quran 108
Allah has made Muhammad's name everlasting
1 O Muhammad, surely We have granted you the Kauthar (countless blessings - it is also the name of a special fountain which will be granted to Prophet Muhammad on the Day of Judgement ).
2 Therefore, offer Salah (prayer) to your Rabb and sacrifice.
3 Surely your enemy is the one who will be cut off from the root

Your Quran came 600 years after the Bible. It came claim Yakubu name is everlasting, I don't care. Mohammed was a mortal man that died from poison of a Jewish woman. He was an ordinary man that didn't know if he will go to heaven. His name is irrelevant. Demons don't recognize his name. His name can't heal anyone or cure anyone.

Now alexis talk to your brain,for years,,the unbeliever before you abuse muhammad and uptill now the name Of d muhammad still flourish While unbeliever fades away..
It is your turn to fade away.....

Pagan arabs worshipped Allah and the Kabbah long before Mohammed came. The name Mohammed existed way before your prophet used it. So, he didn't bring a new religion bros - he modified pagan arabian worship, added salt and pepper and forced it down everyone mouth with the sword. There is nothing new about kissing the kabba stone in Mecca, it was idol worship that arabians performed way before Mohammed was born. You guys do it every year - travel thousands of miles, make the Saudi government richer to go and kiss a giant black stone and throw stones satan every year, I am sure satan has the fun of his life every year.

Again, let us agree to the rules of the debate and I will engage you.

talk2me006

Defend these also

1. And you are still yet to tell us where Jesus married a 6 year old and slept with her when she was 9?
2. Where Jesus married more than 11 women
3. If Jesus was a thief and a caravan robber

We use the lives of Jesus and Mohammed are gauges are Christians and muslims. So, prove to us where Jesus in any way encouraged pp..oo..rr..nn. Your problem is that in Christianity, there is something called WISDOM. We live by the wisdom and grace of God and not by law anymore. There is no wisdom is sacrificing animals for atonement anymore

There is no wisdom in not helping someone on the Sabbath anymore. So, you can quote the entire old testament, na your cup of Tea.

Mintayo: do u knw d meaning of d word porn?
From d proverb u quote,it say
"WIFE OF YOUR YOUTH", BE SATISFY WITH D WIFE OF YOUTH!
It didnt say d "breast of ur adopted son's wife" OR d "breast of a 9yr old girl"!
If u r going to be satisfied by d bosom of any woman,which one is better if not ur WIFE!
D proverb above was talking against adultery n fornication if u read d whole chapter!
I AM SURE YU DNT THINK BEFORE U TALK,RIGHT?
And abt d S o S,is it d same S o S dt u ppl try so much to put mohammed?smh
What is d different btw ur paradise and earth? I wld rather be on earth dn b in ur paradise where a man will be committing d highest form of adultery! Smh.

How can a man that calls other holy book corrupt yet can't provide an un-corrupted version of it speak with any sense. He evades simple questions and go off ranting. The calls the bible a book of pp.oo.rr.nn with no substance whatsoever but forgets the life of his prophet.

talk2me006: Guy! i can see u did not defend the fact that ur bible contain many por..n Words

Saying br..ea.s.t is a p.o..rrn word? Cha! Mumuism is not good oh.

I asked you questions - With all the verses you have posted in the Bible?

1. Can you tell one verse where Jesus killed anyone and married the wife of the person he killed?
2. Can you tell me where Jesus married a 6 year old Child and slept with her when she was 9 years old?

Did you care to read http://thefactsaboutislam..com/2013/06/eternal-erections-muslim-explains-so.html

If it is so corrupt, WHY CAN'T YOU PROVIDE THE UN-CORRUPT VERSION? I have publicly challenged you but you side-step the challenge and keep on ranting. Every statement I have made about Mohammed has been from your holy texts:

1. The fact that he was a thief and an armed robber
2. He murdered and killed people
3. He married a child and slept with her
4. He claimed Adam was 90 feet tall
5. He claimed non muslims had 7 intestines
6. He said a fly has a cure to any disease it carries in it's wings
7. He married over 11 women

Should I continue?

PapaBrowne: No need to argue with person when no value life. He would really gun that fella down if that argument persist.

Life no get replacement. If you ever find yourself in that situation, please don't engage the gunner. Just politely pass.

Wise words - that been said, if it was in my neighborhood, that aint gonna happen. It's not only the police that have guns

Mintayo: lol,he will only say what he hears from god? I cnt just help bt laugh,was it god dt spoke to him or an angel? Atleast from dis ur statement,one cn c dt mohammed CAN NEVER be d comforter, NEVER!
I have proved it to u,it is only a liar n a deciever dt will nt c d truth in d above!
Also,u r talking abt my long segment,i bet u dnt c dt urs was longer!
In all d verses u quoted,non of dem show dt mohammed is a comforter!
Let me ask u,DID D QURAN CALL MOHAMMED A COMFORTER?

I prat d Lord will deliver u and open ur eyes!

Na only muslims like RoyCain, a semi literate religious adherent who can't see beyond his Quran that can mention Mohammed was the comforter Jesus spoke about.

1. How can a man that slept with a 9 year old be the comforter Jesus spoke about?
2. A man that killed another mans wife and married her
3. A man that robbed caravans
4. A man that suffered from epilepsy and was under the influence of a "spirit" that knocked him down often.

RoyCain === It appears you are delusional

talk2me006: I always wonder while these ignorant folks doesnt want to admit that their bible is not injeel.. Or did they think we muslim do not know that they carry along corrupt book..
Wether they like it or not, The truth has come and we know d facts..
It is no hidden secret that the Bible contains some of the most perverted, gross and indecent stories of sexual decadence in history, most people are unaware as to the severity of its contents..
When i saw those astonished verse i feel pity for these people..
The question is, can God inspired people to write all these porn verses in the bible..
Wonder never end..

Can you provide a copy of the injel you are referring to. THERE IS NO MUSLIM DEAD OR ALIVE THAT CAN SHOW US. I will make it simple for you - IF YOU CAN PROVIDE A COPY OF THE UN-CORRUPTED BIBLE, I WILL BECOME A MUSLIM. If you can't, and I know you can't - park, sit down and shut-up!

Look who is talking about p.o-r.n . Have you read your Hadith and Quran and the description of your heaven? Let me refresh your memory

Surah 56:30-37 === In shade long-extended, by water flowing constantly and fruit in abundance whose season is not limited nor (supply) forbidden. And on thrones raised high. We have created (their female companions) of special creation and made them virgin-pure (and undefiled), beloved (by nature), equal in age.

This is the Paradise, with all its enticements, that Allah offers to muslims . What does Mohammed himself say about Paradise? Before I cited his quotations, I should apologize to anyone that is about to read it for the profane/sexual language that is used by your prophet. I wish I could say the Arabic word or write it for you but I am still embarrassed by it.

Here is Sheikh Al-Sha'rawi, quoting Mohammed:

"The messenger of Allah was asked, Shall we have ss.e.xx in Paradise; he answered, Yes, in the name of whose hands is my soul, after the man gets up from upon her (a woman he is having intimacy with), she turns virgin again".

In another place, Mohammed was asked:

"Do the people in Paradise have ss.e.xx? He answered: With a p.e.n.is that does not get soft, and a climax that does not stop. In the name of whom is my soul, a man can have ss.e.xx with 100 women in one day".

For reference and my source == Al-Fatawi by Sheikh Mutwalli Al-Sha'rawi, p36, p148

You don't research your religion where your "Holy" prophet describes your heaven as a glorified sex o..rg.y. You open your mouth a call the Bible a book of p.o..rn. Later, when people criticize the Quran, your brothers in Pakistan and around the world will start crying and complaining.

RoyPCain

@alexis; you are not bright at all. bob wadlow record is based on 1,000 of data collection or just few hundred years? how far back did Adam [AS] exist? if you find fossils of large animals, have you found the fossils of man nearest to them in existence and his bone is less that 90 ft and you positively identify him as Adam [as]? whats wrong with the picture in your head? I guess you didnt have any picture in your head.

Wadlow record can be traced and we can all refer to it as authentic. Your 90 feet Adam can't be traced, no fossil, no skeletal structure, no historical evidence whatsoever. The reason there is no 90 Adam fossil is because HE DIDN'T EXIST OGA. It is only in muslim minds like yourself that he existed. With all the evidence pointing in the contrary, you are holding on a a 7th century Arab lie from an illiterate that didn't know the earth was spherical.

You are the one the one to provide evidence that Adam was 90 feet. Since you can't, you are here telling me since there is no evidence then it is true - IS THAT ALL YOU CAN COME UP WITH? The burden of proof is on you - your Quran claimed he was 90 feet tall, it is up to your Quran and you muslims to help provide proof and evidence; if you can't then it is on record that you are a LIAR

God. You are so, alexis. which is easier, food singing the praises of a noble man [as] who God performed Miracles by him or God becoming man and die by man hanging Him? you disbelieve the food singing the praises, yet you accept that God was killed by hanging? I hope you are not responsible for anything sensitive in the organization that pays wages to you? you do need a supervisor, for sure.

The question you should ask yourself is this - Does food sing? Does your eba in front of you sing? How is that a miracle? Imagine me putting amala in my mouth and the amala start hailing me?

Your Quran confirms Jesus was the Messiah, that can't be argued. Read up the definition of a Messiah then come back and ask this question again. I own two businesses that are doing very well and I am humbled that God has put me in a position to bless others by offering employment to them. I don't manage and supervise people; that model doesn't work in this day and age anymore.

have you looked at the curvature of the earth? you need to do that by going to a playing field or a part or a long boulevard as look and you will see that it curves in your sight. But when you get to where you think the curve is, it will be flat to its surrounding. the earth is a bed for all humans living on it, yet it is curve as we all know. But when you are in your small space, alexis, since you have not noticed it all your life, your tiny space you call a bedroom is flat.

The author of the Quran should have looked at the curvature of the earth before he said it was a carpet or a bed spread out. You don't have to ask me. The earth is not a bed Mr. man. We in the 21st century know it is a sphere but the author of the Quran didn't know that and if it was Allah that authored the Quran then I wonder why He didn't know that the earth is not flat. The earth is not a bedroom or tiny space oga, your twisted logic has no substance. The author of the Quran should have done some scientific research to confirm such before he said it was a carpet or a bed. If he said it was circular or round then we will not be having this conversation. You can defend this statement until the end of this world but you are shooting yourself in the foot. You are just an old man holding onto to lies he has believed all his life

in too ways the Quran is correct; as a bed spread out so that it is a Mercy you can rest on it, making your bed firm on it or even use it as a bed. further because of its curvature, all of life activities is not a continuum because the night time is a Mercy where the break and rest in most needed or are you one of the graveyard ship workers? it might be the best shift for your kind of thinking so that you dont ruin the asset to much.

Stop playing st.u.p.i.d; we know that the Quran wasn't using metaphors here or figure of speech. Read the commentaries on the Surah to be sure. You are deliberately lying. The Quran claim the earth was flat . Your holy book claimed the earth was flat Oga, I hope you don't teach that to your kids

Alexis. you are a bore for such a youth. i need to ignore you because you seem to be drunk on ignorance and it may be contagious

For a man that said prevention is the same as cure; I wonder why you are on a public forum created by infidels :0. Grey hair is not a sign of wisdom old man, it is a sign of old age. Try and have some honesty and integrity - it's the least you can teach your children

RoyPCain

@alexis; I can't let anyone know who i am. Come on. its just to let you know that you are dealing with a seasoned mind here. The Bible is quite about height, but vocal about the giant size. Imagine what is even giant in "Vast" heaven. Can you imagine how not a giant it will be on earth, yet produced giants with tiny little ladies of the earth? When did Bob Wadlow live and how far after Adam [as] and where is the evidence to disprove that Adam [as] is not Islam says, Wadlow?

You are here using circular reasoning and stylishly evading the question. My point about Wadlow was to prove that there is a record about the tallest living man in our century. Your Quran claim can't be confirmed; you are the one making the claim, not me. God made elephant, we can see it, God made dinosaurs, we have their fossils to confirm how big they were, God made the whale, we know how big and large they are. Allah made 90 feet Adam, Eve, their kids - can't the Quran provide any evidence. If you fail to provide evidence as a muslim; then you have to take the back seat and shut up because you have no proof. The evidence to prove that Adam wasn't 90 feet is simple - every known human being dead or alive wasn't 90 feet tall

I am not interested in cutting you to pieces. I leave the job to the biologist the moment you let me talk to her. I dislike the boko haraam. but i dont dislike the biologist. I use my brain plenty. Thank God for that. Your 'if' will not change the fact that a terminal disease [death] terminates whoever it afflicts in the end. If you said Jesus cured it, I say it was in remission, then. Today, you dont see the people you said he cured. The disease had inflicted them for good and there is no cure. It will afflict me and you. There is no single if about it.

Go around in circles Bros, we know you are good at it

My bringing the knowledge of the 20 or 21 century to explain event of 7th century is to show you that Allah is capable of doing everything. If it was Jesus that his food sang his praises, the christian will see it as an affirmation of his deity. You see your problem; exaggerating the mundane.

The miracles Jesus performed or his deity isn't proven by stu.p.i.d claims. How can someone food sing to them before they eat it? Jesus healed the sick, raised the raised, helped the cripple to walk, cured the woman with the issue of blood, cast of demons etc. Miracles are not folk-tales Bros, that is what Mohammed was telling you people. If my food sang to me, I would go and see a doctor; something Mohammed should have done. It is on record in the Hadith that he was under a spell.

I read the Quran. And is the carpet flat, alexis? of course not. The carpet is a top layer and it covers and adopts the shape of what it covers. This is the reason that if you do not want natural lumps or bumps when you are laying carpet, it is mechanically stretched and fix in place.

It's interesting how muslims defend the Quran. When you put a carpet on the ground, is it FLAT or ROUND? See how you are trying to defend such a stu.p.i.d statement. It amazes me that a grown man like you can't use his thinking faculty when it comes to your religion. Keep reading your Quran:

Surah 2:22 === [He] who made for you the earth a [size=16pt]bed[/size] [spread out] and the sky a ceiling and sent down from the sky, rain and brought forth thereby fruits as provision for you. So do not attribute to Allah equals while you know [that there is nothing similar to Him].

I cant ask you the same question you asked me because i will then be doing injustice.

You can't ask me because I believe in Science and Science doesn't teach such nonsense

RoyPCain

@alexis; i have many young people who attended and graduated from Georgia Tech. My son did.

Interesting, care to mention his name so I can look him up, perhaps we are in the same alumni group. It will be interesting to hear his views compared to that of his Father

if the bible says grandchildren of Yahweh were giants, could you tell me how tall was the shortest of them, alexis? and i just used something that is not the Quran to call you to order. You do believe Yahweh had grandchildren and Jesus was an uncle to them, according to your Bible or the Bible is wrong here? You cant win any argument especially against the Bible unless you dont believe the Bible anymore?

Oga, the Bible never claimed Adam was 90 feet tall, I have told you this many times. I don't see why you are dragging the Bible to prove your Quran. It is the same Bible you claim is corrupt or do you believe in the Bible now? I don't have to answer you here Oga, all I asked was this - please provide proof outside of your Quran that Adam was 90 feet tall. You said Eve was 90 feet tall, and their kids where 90 feet tall. The tallest man on record that ever lived on record was no more than 9 feet tall. Your Quran claimed Adam was 10 times taller than Robert Wadlow. There are reports of a man in France that was close to 12 feet tall but it can't be verified. Still, Adam beats them by over 75 feet. That means Adam must have been bigger than 5 trolls. He would have been taller than most of our buildings and sky-scrapers we have today, yet you can't provide one single evidence outside your Quran of this.

Dinosaurs have fossils and skeletons that we can reference and confirm their height. So by the Quran and Mohammed, Adam was as big as a whale - WOW

I have asked you to put the biologist on the table so that i can tell her how to cut you open and she can document for you the disbeliever the numbers of intestines you have.

I see you are interested in cutting me open huh? Ask your Boko Haram brothers in Nigeria of all the Christians they have killed. If you want my pound of flesh, make sure you bring guns bigger than what I have

and its a good thing that you ate up your vomit you call speech on the death is a disease without cure because all those you said were cured, there was a recurrence of the disease. and unless you can't read, i have asked you to disprove the fly hadith, since the consumer of the drink didnt get sick after dunking the fly in it [to release the antidote of whatever disease it may carry. Not getting sick is getting cure[d].

Do you use your brain at all? You said death is the only disease and it doesn't have cure. I responded and said "IF" if were Jesus had a cure to death. The compound word here is IF - I was following your line of argument but I wasn't agreeing with it. Na was oh!

if humans can device a way song can be heard without a singer in front of you when you are hearing the song, definitely God can make food of His Prophet sing the praise of the 'prophet' [sa].

So Mohammed was using a DVD player in 7th Century Arabia . Look at how you are displaying your ignorance and stu.pi.did.ty

and there is no verse in the Quran that says the earth is flat. start speaking the truth, alexis.

Bros, do you read your Quran at all? You said there is NO verse, well here is ONE

Surah 71:19 === And Allah has made the earth for you as a [size=15pt]carpet[/size](spread out).

I know you will visit your muslim apologist websites and give other meaning to the verse but again, it is clear from the above. And I have met your challenge by providing only ONE verse

RoyPCain

@alexis; You have no honor if you say Quran confirms the Bible as word of God and you can not bring out a verse from the Quran to prove it. I wanna see "Bible" and nothing else, because we know that Taurah, Sabur and Injil were revelations given to Moses, David and Jesus [as] respectively by God. And on the pages of the Bible you carry around, you do not have 100% of any of the 3.

I wonder if you read the Quran at all:

Surah 10:94 === And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that) was before thee. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters

Those who have been reading the book from before thee" are Jews and Christians who read the Torah and the Injil (Gospel)! If they were reading corrupted holy books, their minds would have been influenced by many misconceptions. It would therefore make no sense for Allah to command those who are in doubt to ask Jews and Christians who allegedly were mislead by changed Scriptures! In order to follow the mandate in this verse it is absolutely necessary to believe that the Scriptures before Islam are uncorrupted!

I have asked you, until you can provide the copies that David, Moses and Jesus used; you can't open your mouth and say the Bible Christians use today is corrupt. I HAVE OPENLY CHALLENGED YOU SEVERAL TIMES TO PROVIDE THE UN-CORRUPTED VERSION BUT YOU KEEP BEATING THE AIR. PLEASE PROVIDE IT OR US OR JUST SHUT-UP

Did God reveal the "Bible" to any prophet? No.

The Bible is inspired by Almighty God. God is not silent, and removed from His creation. God has revealed His will. God's Word is recorded in the Bible. He uses this Word to reveal Himself and to communicate His purpose and will to us. No man can do God's will without having at least a basic knowledge of this revelation. How did God reveal His will? God inspired every writer of the Holy Scriptures. As Muslim this will not be new to you, for it is a fundamental part of the teaching of the Qur'an (e.g. Suras 2:136; 5:47-48; 10:95; 21:7; 29:46).

And 600 years or 600 Quad Zillion years after the "Bible" if Truth comes, you alexis, if you have any faith in you, you must accept it. If being earlier matters, then the Book of Hinduism will be truth far better than "Bible". If earlier is the sign of authenticity, then McCain would have won the US Presidency even before George Bush Junior and Buhari should be Nigerian President instead of Elebe Goodluck of Nigeria.

What truth did the Quran come up with. The Quran claim Adam was 90 feet tall? I have asked you to provide evidence but you twist your mouth and evade the question. The Quran claims the earth is flat - If you truly have a functioning brain, do you believe such nonsense. Now, you want me to choose the Quran and it's account when it clearly lies over the Bible? Are you high? Your Quran has to prove it can stand alone based on the Bible and not the otherway around. The Bible came first, it has first preference. If you claim it is corrupt, provide the uncorrupted version, if you can't - SHUT UP & SIT DOWN

And we do not have to scout under the bush looking for something to prove Quran and or Hadith; we simply take it as is while reflecting upon it. If it is on the Pages of the Quran it is True and or if it comes from the lips of the Prophet [sa]. This is a mark of faith. Abu Bakr [ra] had it and was called alsiddiq because of accepting and believing it as true if Muhammad [sa] said it [specifically in his case it was the occasion of Isra wa Miraj]. And we have found that in every case it is easy to grasp [using the building of the Kaaba and temple in Jerusalem with 40 years between them. we quickly realize that the builders can not be Abraham and Solomon but some other people or just one person. We realize that the builder was Adam; first building Kaaba and then on the site in Jerusalem. It was the rebuilding of each you think is the first time building at least in the case of what was in Jerusalem. You are wrong, alexis, like you are alwasys gonna be until you are guided to truth].

How can you "simply take it" without using your brain? Your Quran says the earth is flat, do you simply believe that or is your brain formatted when it comes to your religion?

Is Allah dimensional? of course not because there is no limit to His Existence or Essence. He is without boundary. I thought you will shine your eyes and read it above if you missed it the first time i posted it, in spite of my referring you to the date and time, alexis. Allah in my mind is The One that if i were to wish that I escape His Authority, I will never be able to. I can leave Nigeria or any country if i dont like the situation on ground and move to another place to erase the memory out of my mind, etc. Allah is The One Who it is impossible to not be under His Control.

Having a representation of Allah is in your Hadith my friend, it is not my imagination. Mohammed taught that muslims can represent Allah as whatever they want Him to be contrary to what the Quran teaches. Except of course, you don't believe in your Hadith anymore .

If you are alive or dead you are under the Control of Allah. Even the things you can not do without while alive [Air, etc] or in death [something that will right your presence or keep you in sight of man as long as you are in the sight [fire if you like to be burnt, soil or others if you like to be kept away from the sight of people, something as the platform if you just want to be kept whole [lol]], are them under the Control of Allah. so it is ignorance on your part thinking you are some wiseguy that is scoring any point against Islam. Look around the world. Islam made the west, even though Islam is lacking today. The Sun of Islam will rise and shine to illuminate the world again.

I am alive and I am not under the control of Allah. You keep talking off topic and can't keep your sentences cohesive. So Islam made the West huh? Care to elaborate? Tell us what contribution Islam has made to our world in the 21st century?

And as to the 7 intestines for a disbeliever, if you have put your biologist on the table for me to hear what will come out of the Biologist mouth, i was going to tell her that she use you as a guinea pig on the matter. If she is afraid of blood, i will encourage her to be strong or go and study medicine and get rid of the blood phobia. or you can volunteer your disbeliever body for verification as it is. I trust there is still a dr menghele like person in germany or one of those hard countries you may be visiting. I say you have 7 intestines quality. your type of personality will hide 6 of them to fool the unaided sight.

You brothers in Syria are killing their own kind (muslims) and an innocent priest (a non muslim), you don't need my blood . Infact, with all the Christians Boko Haram are killing up North, you guys should have a picture of an infidel 7 intestines.

RoyPCain

@Alexis; i am not impressed by your IP. it is your biologist i will like to hear what opinion is held on the matter of science, scientist you are not. unfortunately, in matters of metaphor, you goofed while you accept God having a son you couldnt say the mother of the son is the spouse. Go figure.

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I am a Computer Scientist with a degree from Georgia Institute of Technology. Perhaps I am not a biologist but I have physicist as friends and a sister that is a Micro-biologist!. My education has nothing to do with my beliefs; if you want to engage me based on Jesus Christ birth, I will be happy to engage you . If you read your Quran, you will know that the author of the Quran endorses Jesus virgin birth and confirmed that Allahs spirit came upon her before she gave birth.

If you know 'something' about anything instead of jaw jockeying, you will know that all diseases has its cure and the only one that has no cure is death. i saw a show once where a guy was injecting himself with snake venom so that he can be immune to poison of snakes. honey badgers are immune to snake poison because of the poisons they consume.

Must you always deficient in basic reasoning. Death is not a disease . Even if it were, it has a cure; Jesus raised the dead, Elijah raised the dead. So, your statement is wrong because like always - you speak before you reason.

let me help you with a thought. the bee goes to get the nectar and in the process get some pollens in itself. going from flower to flower, the pollination is done because the male pollen rubs off from the bee onto the female part of the flower, which at the end develops the fruit. fly, therefore, by the permission of God acquires the antidote of the disease it carries. after all it is surviving if you can think hard enough. even if you say it is a reservoir, there is no way you can proof that it is not also a reservoir of the antidote. You are with the europeans now. thinking is good jut about now.

If you noticed, I was careful not to use any other insect apartment from the FLY. Mohammed never mentioned the Bee. Even when I used the Mosquito as an example, I clearly stated that it didn't apply to the context. So, your reference to the Bee in this context is baseless as Mohammed was talking about "FLIES". Try again Oga.

if my kid ask me, i will tell then Adam [sa] was exactly what the hadith says. And i will explain to them tat they should imagine how vast the earth is and how high the sky is and with all the giant animals like dinosaurs and california red trees, the first man and first woman have to be appropriately tall to handle the elements. Did you you see the movie "the air up there"? neither did i. but the title is catchy and quite appropriate. when hollywood dreams it, it is sometimes possible. star wars the movies was concept of steven stielberg, yet ronald reagan to bluff ussr. the fact of the matter is that giant humans have been used in animation since they can not find a real giant, today.

I can only pray for your children . Unfortunately, your hadith is not an authority on science. You tried to use the Bible to explain your lies - that didn't work, now you are using star wars to explain your Hadith. JESUS! SAVE US FROM RoyPCain Oh!

i dislike wasting you time with broken records, especially when he is sounding empty. the muslims who are over eating in ramadham can be said to have the quality of disbelievers, in spite of them saying they are muslims. muslims disobey commands. so you are not saying anything new.

My example was simple, if you call non-muslims PIGS and claim they have 7 intestines because they eat too much; what is the difference between these non-muslims and greedy muslims during the Ramandan? My comparison exposes the lies in Mohammeds statement - greediness doesn't mean someone has 7 intestine or that they are PIGS; if it did then muslims are guilty of the same .

So far, you haven't:

1. Provided proof outside of the Quran on how tall Adam was i.e. a skeletal example or reference
2. A picture of a intestine of a non-muslim showing they have 7 intestine
3. Cure in one wing of a fly and the disease in another wing.

After that, you can tell us why the Quran said the earth was flat and why Mohammed food SANG PRAISES to him before he ate them

RoyPCain@mintayo

who told you you are not under the laws? evidently, from your post above, you have no regards for Jesus and what he stood for. If Jesus said whoever abolishes or ask any to abolish the smallest of it, such a person shall be called the least [and if anything has to be in the lake of fire the least has to be it because everything else is above it and nothing is lower than the least].

Please provide references on Jesus's statement so we can clarify what you mean. It is hard to address your statement without knowing what you are referring to

you sound like those Jesus will say "i do not know ye" to because you cant even list the duties of the another comforter so that you show that any of them was fulfilled except when Muhammad [sa] fulfilled all. Your baseless miracle of words here will not work. you are a common magician with terrible tricks.

Are you suggesting the comforter Jesus was talking about was Mohammed?

i dont think you know what it means to know all things if you say that Jesus knew everything when he clearly didnt know when fig tree is not with figs in off season it is a normal thing and such a tree could not be killed off because of following the nature of fig tree. I doubt further if you put into considerations that fact that Jesus didnt know the person who touched his garment and got healed or the time of the hour and other unknowns to him. Or you are just simply being yourself in the deception department?

Again, please reference the Bible verse(s) so we can know what you are talking about and properly address it. Jesus knew who touched him, he wasn't referring to someone that physically touched him and we know that because Peter said Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee and sayest thou, Who touched me?” (Luke 8: 45).. Jesus said - "immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him” (Mark 5:30) stopped and asked “Who touched me?”. His question was in reference to someone that got healed from touching him and not from people physically touching him. This is a basic Bible lesson that you don't even understand

Try again and show everyone how the duties of The Another Comforter was fulfilled on Pentecost and when you are unable,I will list example for each of how The prophet [sa] fulfill the duties, including talking to the children of Israel only of what God said.

Again, are you suggesting that Mohammed was a comforter?

RoyPCain: @mintayo; who told you you are not under the laws? evidently, from your post above, you have no regards for Jesus and what he stood for. If Jesus said whoever abolishes or ask any to abolish the smallest of it, such a person shall be called the least [and if anything has to be in the lake of fire the least has to be it because everything else is above it and nothing is lower than the least].

you sound like those Jesus will say "i do not know ye" to because you cant even list the duties of the another comforter so that you show that any of them was fulfilled except when Muhammad [sa] fulfilled all. Your baseless miracle of words here will not work. you are a common magician with terrible tricks.

please excuse me. when you say gibberish, what do you mean? did you just say it to say you disagree or what because the usage i have came across on nairaland is not direct to whatever i believe gibberish is?

i dont think you know what it means to know all things if you say that Jesus knew everything when he clearly didnt know when fig tree is not with figs in off season it is a normal thing and such a tree could not be killed off because of following the nature of fig tree. I doubt further if you put into considerations that fact that Jesus didnt know the person who touched his garment and got healed or the time of the hour and other unknowns to him. Or you are just simply being yourself in the deception department?


Try again and show everyone how the duties of The Another Comforter was fulfilled on Pentecost and when you are unable,I will list example for each of how The prophet [sa] fulfill the duties, including talking to the children of Israel only of what God said.

When you are debating, you should provide references. You have not done so. If you want to talk about Jesus, you need to use the Bible's account of Jesus because the Bible is an authority on Jesus. So, give us some references to your above statements so we can follow you.

talk2me006: Dude!
If we did not read our quran very well, we will not know all lies surrounding ur faith.
It is you that suppose to not be brainwashed by small verse read to u evry sunday by ur pastor.
Read ur bible from front page to back page to be convinced that u have been braunwashed already...

If you read your Quran, you will know two things:

1. Your Quran confirms the Bible is the Word of God and it tells Christians to live by it. The Quran never claimed the Bible that christians today have is corrupt; it is muslims like you that are trying to tell Christians that their Bible is corrupt.
2. Your Quran came 600 years after the Bible, it is not a standard to judge the Bible . So if the Bible, says Jesus was crucified and the Quran says other-wise, the Quran has to provide proof since the Bible came before it and was established before it.

You can make cheap claims, most muslims do. Muslims claim that having a representation of Allah is shirk and an abomination. The hadith came and said other-wise. The Hadith said, muslims can have a representation of Allah in their mind. Muslims on Nairaland had never seen that Hadith before, some called me a liar and said I introduced that hadith and I was fabricating it. I wasn't surprised when they swallowed their words later and said the Hadith is indeed correct but the interpretation is that "you can commit shirk on judgement day".

So, the issue here is not the Bible bros. We have proven several times that the Quran contradicts itself in several places. So, before you open your mouth, make sure you can provide some authoritative reference on whatsoever topic you want to talk about.

talk2me006: My great appreciation to lanrelax,tiintiz, and sino.
U guys are too much. You really know how to deal with these ignorant folks.
My advice for you is to not waste your time wt dem.is like they are doomed to stay in their confused believe.devil has blocked their eyes and ears

Perhaps you should read your Quran and Hadith and make some constructive contributions. Bone hook all your muslim brother throats. They have offered personal interpret-ions as if they know more than Mohammed and the early muslims

Which Jesus are we talking about? The Jesus in the Quran or the Jesus in the Bible?

1. The Jesus in the Bible was born in a manger. The one in the Quran was born under a palm tree
2. The Jesus in the Bible never spoke as a baby. The one in the Quran spoke as an adult and created a live bird out of clay
3. The Jesus in the Bible was killed and died. The one in the Quran never died, or did die in some places but muslims reject it
4. The Jesus in the Bible was crucified. The one in the Quran said he was not

So, we need to know which Jesus you are talking about

RoyPCain

alexis; i was curious about your location because you seem to have a backwater mindset. i wouldnt want the biologist to have the same mindset. germans are hard, even when they are completely wrong they do not admit faults. there is no picture of human with 7 intestines. you know that or you dont? there is metaphor like you are what you eat. when you eat 7 portions is like you have 7 person eating together, so the 7 intestines in the way you grubbed is appropriate, until you return to 1/7. then you are a 1 intestine man.

My IP today is 171.25.193.20 - I am in Sweden . I guess the swedes are HARD and IRRATIONAL people too right? I am happy you confirmed that there is no human with 7 intestines. If you submit that the word was used figuratively, then it compares to muslims are well; who have more than "7 intestines" during the month of Ramandan and should be considered "PIGS" by your standard

if i prove to you that Adam [as] is that height by using information of his children as my evidence, will you leave christianity, you and everyone including pops and mom and the biologist? i am hope for a wholesale conversion. i will throw in evidence of fly having the cure of the disease it carries which is the reason the one who consumed the drink it is dipped in did not get sick [this is called cause and effect]

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You have provided no evidence on this matter. Did you refer to any scientific or archeological source? For example, Dinosors were large animals, we have evidence of their skeletal structure up until this day. Can you show us the same for the "90 feet" Adam or his children? Perhaps the evidence is in your imagination. You referenced the Bible but haven't shown us anywhere in the Bible were it claimed Adam was 90 feet tall? Do you see how you are arguing in circles and making no sense. Imagine your kids asking you - "Daddy, how tall was Adam?".

if i make a statement and you doubt it, the conventional wisdom is that you should tender evidence because the burden of proof is on the accuser similar to innocent until proven guilty. you are the accuser here.

Your statements so far has been laughable. I am going by the claims in the Quran and Hadith which falls on the alter of Science and reasoning but makes sense to only "muslims" like yourself.

You are still yet to show us:

1. How a fly carries disease in it's wings. Science tells us they carry pathogens in their legs. You still have to prove how they carry cure in the 2nd wing. Your defense that they carry anti-bacteria says they carry it in their stomach. So far, you have fallen short mate

2. With the hadith regarding the 7 intestine, it just shows how ignorant Mohammed was. If he meant the man was greedy, he should have known that men irrespective of their religion are greedy. So, he shouldn't claim that a non-muslim has 7 intestine because he is greedy. Muslims that fast are so greedy that they get up early in the morning before fasting and fill their stomachs. I guess he must be referring to them too

3. Regarding Adam was 90 feet tall, can you show us in the Bible were it said Adam was 90 feet tall? Remember, God made Adam. None of Adam children were giants Oga. Please provide proof.

I have several other scientific blunders that Mohammed made but too embarrass to ask you to defend them. However, I am having a good time debating you

RoyPCain

@alexis; where are you? where is your biologist located because i think the biologist will have something that will be different from you? since both of you take after mom, is mom a short woman or tall woman and all you inherit from her is the look not the height? further, somebody must be tall in your bloodline for you to be tall. no?

You are the one that claimed resemblance is tantamount on which parent ejacu..la.ted first. Perhaps you should record that and play it to yourself and hear how st.u.p.id that makes you sound. The sad part is that, you will teach such fallacies to your innocent kids. Someone being tall in my bloodline has to do with genes, the same way resemblance has to do with genes and not on se.x.ua.l eja.cu..la.tion.

the children of Adam who the bible said produced giants cant be pigmies or were they and how do you know what was the minimum height of the giants? give me a figure alexis.

I still don't know why you are using the Bible to explain the Quran. THE BIBLE NEVER SAID ADAM WAS 90 FEET TALL. Neither did it claim EVE WAS 90 FEET TALL AS YOU WANT US TO BELIEVE. So, please stop bringing the Bible into it. The same bible you claim is corrupt is the same Bible you conveniently quote and believe to buffer the scientific errors in the Quran. So, try again. What other source apart from the Quran claimed Adam was 90 feet tall, the Bible never said he was.

if you didn't know which intercourse produced the baby, then you will not be able to disprove the hadith

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It is not me to prove which parent climaxed first. You used your own mouth to say that you are a father and have personal experience so you should tell us.

alexis as you are going you are losing each argument because you do not have insight of what is stated. i will prefer hearing the opinion of the biologist. okay?

If Mohammed was alive today and verbally read the Hadith to you - you still wouldn't accept it

and fasting is supposed to be a time of reflection and cutting down on food intake. unfortunately like in many issues, many muslims may not be strict in the details.

By your definition, unfortunately muslims that eat alot are considered PIGS too right? You just shot yourself in the foot mate

By the which city is AJ city?

Are you interested in my location. My current IP is 37.221.170.49 which states I am in Germany, my next reply to you might be from Brazil. .

In between, you still haven't

1. Showed us a picture of a human being with 7 intestines
2. Prove how Adam was 90 feet tall
3. Show us how a fly has the cure in one wing and disease in another

We dey wait oh

RoyPCain

@alexis; have you told your biologist sister about my offer? look you seem to be thinking as if its past your bedtime and it may just be the reason the muslims kinda ignore you. I must let you know that a lot of medical doctors and biologists are muslims and they are familiar with the hadith of 7 intestines for disbeliever because he drank for 7 [like a woman eating for 4 when she is pregnant and when she delivers she eats for one only], and 1 intestine as a believer because he now drinks for 1. the muslim scientists know about the fly in your drink and you dip it in, then flips it out of it and drink the no residue 'juice' with hope that if there was a disease, the cure already neutralize it. They know and not everyone is wasteful or paranoid like you.

Dude, there is no respectable biologist, doctor or scientist that will tell you any human-being has 7 intestine nor will they tell you children resemble their parents based on the order of e-jacu.lat-i.on. It is BASELESS and has no grounds. Children look like their parents because of DNA and genes. Your ignorance is your problem. If you must defend Mohammed statement then it means you must go against science, logic and common sense - something you have been good at doing.

there is a kid who is 6 8 and only 16 years old. he is abdulmalik on youtube. few years ago i picked him up from his grade school because hi parents were not available. he looked like father. very much like his aunt. resemblance here is about gender; thats what the scientists say and thats what the prophet [sa] meant. if you say he meant something else like a look, then since you and sister look like momma, you have to ask if there was assurance of which intercourse produced the pregnancy that the one who resembled momma, and if there was momma discharges? now you call for it and you have to research it out. You will see why both of you look like momma. And the prophet [sa] will be right if she was the domineering one.

Again, you refuse to reason and use your brain. You are using Mohammed (an illiterate) as the basis to judge science. How can you prove who climaxed first? How can Mohammed prove who climaxed first? Are you saying every child that looks like his father in this world means the father climax first or vice-versa? What about children that don't look like their parents?

You are a father as you mentioned earlier, did you climax first? How do you know? What has climax got to do with reproduction? The process of fertilization between the sperm and ovaries has NOTHING to do with who climaxes first. I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU THAT BUT YOU HAVE BEEN DEFENDING MOHAMMED WHILE SHOWING YOU ARE A LAUGHING STOCK

a son doesnt have to loo like late grandfather to be call babatunde. he just have to be a boy delivered after the passing of grandfather. i have a nephew called babatunde. and son can look like his dad who looks like his own dad, hence grandson looks like grandpa. The prophet says when a man discharges before the woman, the baby resembles the father. thats all it says. so if a woman discharges first, does discharge at all or not even in intercourse but get pregnant anyway, in each of these, the hadith does not address them. this hadith proofs that Muhammad [sa] is the one spoken about who will only say what God puts in his mouth.

I didn't say a son has to look like his grand-dad, I said it means grand-dad has re-incarnated, meaning the child looks like his grand-dad. A son, can't look like his dad but can look like his grand-dad, how does that fit in your Prophet's claim. My friend's wife doesn't look like her mother in any sense but is almost a replica of her grand-mother. You keep adding meaning to the Hadith, trying to rescue it

when a man comes to your house and he ate everything in sight, if you say he is a pig in your mind, will you be wrong and is he a pig and your house is the feeding station? if he returns a day later and he says he learn something that changed his spiritual outlook. after he finished, you set a plate of food in front of him based on what he did yesterday. if he said thats too much that he is not a pig and says that will enough for 7 people, so he can only eat a little of it. after he leaves will you still call him a pig or you will call him a man who will not eat himself to death? the 7 intestines is similar because he drank 7 cups of milk while a disbeliever and the following day after believing, he drank only one cup and was satisfied. in essence he still had 1 complete human internal organs as a muslim. if one looked back at his food intake yesterday when he was a disbeliever, it would seem as if he had 7 complete internal organs that he had to satisfy, then, based on what is satisfactory now.

Have you seen muslims eating after ramadan? Do you know the quantity of food they consume? Aren't they suppose to be modest when eating since they are believers? Will you call them pigs? . Aside that, it is on record that Mohammed called Jews pigs, he did so several times and we know that Jews are non-muslims.

I may not be able to provide the uncorrupted copy because i dont have it and it does mean anything to me. but i can provide plenty of proofs that what you have in your hand now is pretty much corrupted, every version, every edition, every print. if you challenge on this, i will get you a page full and videos too. you have no leg to stand on and no one has to wear any shoes to be taller than you the way i will rubbish you.

If you can't provide an un-corrupted version of the Bible, how can we compare the one that you claim is corrupted. How will we know it is corrupted if there is not an original to compare it against. You will rubbish me? . You don't say. I am waiting for your rubbishing . I don't need videos for you to prove the bible is corrupt, I need you to provide the bible that is not corrupted - THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO PROVE THE BIBLE IS CORRUPT. The Shias have an extra Surah in their Quran i.e. the Surah of Succession and the Sunnis don't. Yet, muslims claim the Quran was made in heaven and is perfect . Again, I am waiting for your rubbishing

alexis, your bible says there were giants born. what proof do you want in addition to this? if you dont accept the hadith, it means you disbelieve that part of your bible, to say the least. whatever i accept of your bible it is because the Quran, Hadith says similar. i will be disbeliever if i am disagreeing with what Islam agrees with een if i find it in christianity. your disagreeing with something that bible has just because you are looking at it from Islam is a sign that you are not a christian or a good christian.

Adam wasn't born Oga, he was the first man God created. Stop confusing yourself. My question again is simple, what proof do you have that Adam and Eve were 90 feet tall? It is the Quran that made the claim Adam was 90 feet tall, not the Bible, so you don't have to refer to the Bible to explain your Quran. Besides, if the Bible is corrupt, why are you referring to it? Since we are off-springs of Adam, why are we not 90 feet tall or even 20 feet tall to say the least. Since Adam or Even climaxed first, why don't we all look like Adam or Eve or as tall as they are?

the hadith does not have to say to the married people only for us to know that only married people will be addressed in matters of procreation because outside of marriage, its illegal intercourse be dat

I agree with you that sex outside marriage is wrong but we know that muslims practice Muttah, so called temporary marriages which is not more than a glorified form f prostitution.

RoyPCain

@Alexis: I am not fit to do anything except obey and follow Muhammad [sa] and do not doubt by clear path. Alexis, are you married and are you a father of boys? if you have never married i will take it that you are a virgin still. what Muhammad [sa] about producing boy baby has happened to me. I have personal experience. so my story is a confirmation while your lack of experience on the matter of fathering is why you are chatting nothing.

It amazes me why you would say something like that. Is Mohammed God, is he Allah? Why would go against all logical and scientific reasoning and follow a man just because you think it will make you a faithful muslim. Don't you have a brain? Your ignorance is laughable. I am 6 feet 5 inches, I weight 230 pounds. My sister is 6 feet 3 inches and when she wear heels, probably taller than me. We both took our mother physical features, her height, built and looks. I have tried to tell you that resemblance has nothing to do with sex but of genes and you are here talking about your personal experience - must you always blindly argue to save Mohammed?

You are a Yoruba man. What is the meaning of "Baba-Tunde"?. It means - Baba (grand-father) has re-incarnated i.e. a son looks like his grand-dad. So, how can a son looks like his grand-dad and not his dad if his dad climaxed first? I also asked you a simple question about children that were born without any se.x.ual. intercourse - how does that fit into Mohammed climax theory?

if your mind is this simple that when 7 intestines was mentioned the reason for it was provided. it is the opposite action of the man when he has became a muslim that brought about the expression. if you can process anything at all, how do you know someone in the past lived and raised up dead? have you seen truly dead and buried and decayed alive again? have you ever heard the expression 'long throat'? how long is the throat? come on alexis, common sense needs to be applied.

Long-throat means you are greedy, it doesn't mean you have 7 stomachs . Fatty-bum-bum means you are fat, it doesn't mean you weigh as much as an elephant. I agree that Mohammed may have meant the statement figuratively, I am not denying that - however, I want to know how he knew the non-muslim man had 7 intestines. I am sure during that time, there were greedy muslims - did they have have 7 intestines too? The fact that no one then could prove it doesn't mean we now are ignorant about such groundless and baseless statements

The bible is what you believe, no? if it has something in it that is in hadith and or Quran, why not ask your pastor why is it in the bible first and see how adeboye will give you a hot slap since its a cheap commodity before you are complaining about it in the Hadith? true the bible is corrupt, it does not make it 100% useless. When it says God is One, Unseen Creator, not a man, not son of man, we accept it because its similar in meaning to what we have. A prostitute may be corrupt, but human being still.

Is Adeboye the authority on the Bible? I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVIDE THE UN-CORRUPTED BIBLE. If what Christians have is corrupt, then surely there should be one that was not corrupt. If you can't do this - then you will have to swallow your statement.

What i pen is from US journals. So your biologist sister will have to provide better evidence than the folks in USA. do you know how many american white doctors are muslims? how about dr. laurence brown? reverted and left cushy job in the military behind and you think i am bothered with the biologist?

What has the youtube link you posted me got to do with proof that when a man climax 1st the child looks like him and when a woman climax 1st, the child looks like her based on Mohammed's claim. Listen, anyone can believe in whatever they want, that is their business. They can choose whatever religion they want to follow. So, if an american doctor becomes a muslims, that is his cup of tea; on one would persecute him or kill him. The same way the son of one of hamas founders decided to be a Christian, it is his free will.

the heights of Adam and Eve have to match. so asking me how tall was Eve, you can imagine what feet 90 ft man, and rightly so to deal with whatever were with them when they were the 2 humans. you dont think its appropriate for each to be short do you? a 10 foot tall man with 9 ft 10 inches wife as the first couple on earth will be like ants under the leaves on the forest floor. 90ft is right size. i can give you my email so that i can school your biologist without the civility of the public.

So, how tall were their children? Apart from the Quran/Hadith, can you provide any other proof that Adam and Eve where 90 feet tall?

artificial insemination is not what was spoken in the hadith. it only addresses what happened between husband and wife, not unmarried couple or single person. common sense

Look at how you are putting different meaning into what the hadith said. Where in that Hadith did it say it is for married people only? Since artificial insemination wasn't popular then, how does Mohammed prophecy prove true against it?

RoyPCain@alexis and cleanvessel:

Let me give you modern day example of this type of expression. maybe the error will clear up in your mind;
7 intestines in this case is like when a person is said is a pig because of greed, and we know he is not a pig, or is he a pig to you? have you heard a person being called an octopus? why? it is because his hands are all over the places as if he has more than 2 hands or more than 10 fingers. have you heard somebody called sticky fingers? why? it is because he takes everything as in stealing/thieving. each is an expression of bad or abnormal quality in the eye of the one who said it. when the prophet [SA] said the disbelievers have 7 intestines, the man who was representing disbelief drank 7 cups of milk. the following day, when the man accepted Islam, he shed his disbelieving quality and he drank only one cup of milk and was satisfied because when 2nd cup was offered, he declined. God reformed him and i bet you eat more than your share now compared to if the same you were a muslim. i guess you carry 7 intestines around and you will remain true to human form with 1 intestine when you shed the disbelief in you which automatically reforms you eating or gluttony.

I can't stop laughing reading your explanation. While it is an honest attempt, we know you are trying to rescue Mohammed by using science and common examples of everyday life. The CLAIM Mohammed made then, couldn't be proven; there was no way for anyone to prove a non-muslim had 7 intestine but because your prophet said it; everyone believed it. We all know he didn't mean it figuratively or metaphorically because the context of the Hadith clearly explained what he meant. I have trouble that when something is scientifically accurate it is trumpeted as proof of the Qu'ran and when something is scientifically wrong it is excused as being metaphorical and not literal. By your explanation it could mean non-muslim has more "guts" than muslims ; Either way - Mohammed could have done a better job at communication or since he was an illiterate, he had more narration skills

2]. Adam was 90 ft is simple and you can find that in your bible. first imagine the shaping of Adam [sa]. since you believe that Yahweh made him and it was a labor that love was put in. Yahweh rested and refreshed, the bible says. How tall is Adam that after Yahweh finished He had to take a rest? think about it for a moment and ask your pastor before you hurry to give me something that is weak on the subject of how large was Adam to be part of what made Yahweh tired, considering that we see huge dinosaurs roamed the earth. i am thinking man must have seem the tail end of them before they extinct. it is interesting that the grandchildren of Yahweh produced by His sons entering the daughters of men who are fair women were giants. what were the heights of the tallest giant and the shortest of them. Who were the sons of Yahweh sleeping wit daughters of men? Were the sons angels an how large can angels be and what do you think their will be lie if they are giants?

Why are you using the Bible to explain a statement Mohammed made. Muslims say the Bible is corrupt; why are you referring to Yahweh and when He rested. The Quran said Adam as 90 feet tall - please use the Quran to explain this and not the Bible. If Adam was 90 feet tall, how tall was Eve? How tall was Cain and Abel and their descendants. We have the fossils of the earliest man and he wasn't taller than 9 feet. We are all products of Adam and if he was 90 feet, surely it should be evident in our time. At least we should see someone that is 50 feet tall walking around. Please try again Bros, your defense of this statement is at best laughable

3]. It is already clear that it is the type of sper.m that fused with the egg that will determine the gender of the baby. one one sper.m per egg. the mother has only x chromosome in the egg. the father has in the semen, y chromosome carrying sper.m and x chromosome carrying sper.m. colder temperature is where the y chromosome sper.m is more active than the x chromosome carrying sper.m. the y chromosome carrying sper.m has a shorter lifespan than the x chromosome carrying sper.m. so to have a son, the window is not as wide for it as in having daughter because of these two factors. so timing in the sexu.al intercourse is very important so it goes with the man climaxing first is one of the best conditions that favors pregnancy of boy baby because the alkalinity in the woman is increase when she reached orgasm shortly after. it is in when the ph is more alkaline that is better for Y chromosome carry sper.m is active, rather than where the ph is more acidic. what the prophet [sa] said if intelligently analyze, one will say that for a boy to be born, woman must reach orgasm. period. if man reaches before her, boy will be born. period. if woman does not reach orgasm, boy will not be born. period.

Dude, why do you leave your brain in the dust-bin when it comes to your religion. So, you are ACTUALLY telling me 100% accurate that when a man ejaculates first - the child would look like him or vice-versa when it is a woman? I WILL OFFER YOU ONE MORE ATTEMPT TO USE YOUR COMMON SENSE BEFORE YOU STOP LOOKING SILLY. My sister is a biologist mate, I take God beg you - don't embarrass yourself.

Getting Pregnant
If the woman has an orgasm just before the man ejaculates, or soon after ejaculation, it increases the alkaline secretions in her vagina and uterus. This is supposed to favour 'boy' sperm. It also makes the woman's uterus and fallopian tubes to have rhythmic contractions, drawing the semen up towards the newly released egg.
for baby girl, the only the male that reaches orgasm by him ejaculating, supporting that when man reaches orgasm first and woman later, it is 100% that baby boy will be produces. when woman does not reach orgasm at all, no boy will be born.
The woman should avoid having an orgasm during sex, as this can increase alkaline vaginal secretions, favouring 'boy' sperm.Avoiding deep vaginal penetration so that the sperm will pass through the woman's more acidic vaginal canal, aimed at favouring 'girl' sperm. This may be achieved by the couple using the face to face missionary position with shallow penetration at the time of ejaculation.to ignore what science of today is supporting just because it comes from the enemy is sign of ignorance

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Gosh, people can be so so so so so so daft . Simple question - how do you explain children that are not product of sexual intercourse or children that don't look like their parents?

albahafs: Pls think

Which Jesus do you love? The one that didn't die and wasn't raised as muslim believe? Or the Jesus that Christians believe died and was raised?

cleanvessel: With these points of yours they still can claim islam is scientifically perfect. Don't you feel something is wrong somewhere?

Most muslims stand on matters of Islam is simple - "My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts". We as human-beings are responsible for clarifying issues that are controversial and in-correct.

cleanvessel: @RoyPCain

Is that all? What about muslims' intestine? What about Adam being 90 feet (10-storey building) tall? Man is not bird. Almost all human activities are close to the ground: sleeping, farming, think of them. What is Adam doing in the sky?

I am waiting for his explanation. His problem is that with all his education, he is unable to use it when it comes to the Quran. How can any human being have 7 intestines? Ask him about it and he will start off in a whole direction that is not related to the question.

Those in 7th century Arabia couldn't verify such statements and claims but we can. We already have and such statements are not true. For example:

1. Mohammed said a non muslim have 7 intestine and a muslim has one because a non muslim ate too much - How in this universe is that correct?
2. He said Adam was 90 feet tall - We are still waiting for an explanation on this
3. He said a child will resemble his father if the father climax first when having sex and the child will resemble his mother if the mother climax first - This is untrue but a child resemblance relies on genetics and not sexual climax

These are just basic things he claimed that is not correct when tested with science

RoyPCain

there is no spiritual manipulation in islam. a person who was born into islam and in it till adulthood, if he has no personal reason at adulthood to be convinced that islam is the correct guidance, it becomes a mere tradition that is keeping him; following what his forefathers followed and that is not what islam which is based on evidence and faith is

This is another topic altogether and a HUGE one for that matter. Let us keep perspective and leave this for now.

i think alexis is just interested in maintaining the statuesque thinking he will sell us a good that has 3 bundles in it as if it is the pure form of The Unchanging and Un-Caused Who caused and still causing all He is giving us.

Again, I am referring to Mohammed's statement and not talking about Allah; please don't get it twisted. My stand has always been and still is - some statements/prophecy Mohammed made has no scientific and medical truth in them. That is because when you test those statements in Science; they fall short.

no prophetic statement that comes from the prophet [sa] except that it is fulfilled appropriately. a person is cured before he catches the disease he thinks its eminent because of an action he is about to engage in, especially if the action is unavoidable. a woman who was told falls into category of those who generally have monthly complication, if she fears that she will definitely have the worst kind ever therefore engages in the simple precautionary measure that a student doctor said he heard the best doctor on the matter says its a sure cure. let just say this step is drinking 6 glasses of cold water, 2 days before the start and continue throughout the length of the visit, till there is no trace of it. if she started the very maiden month and continued throughout her life. each month she followed this regiment and as a mother recommended it to her daughter, is there a wiseguy on earth that can disprove that the step she took in her time of monthly visitor is worthless that she was not a candidate for what she feared could have happened to her? it is immoral, rather unintelligent to argue against what works even if it looks crude and primitive to you. mission accomplished does not have to be in gold plate but what does the job.

You keep going around in circles here using circular reasoning to explain the Quran. I have tried my best to avoid any statement that is not in the Quran. Remember, I had mentioned the case of the mosquito but made it clear that Mohammed never talked about a mosquito. Leave women with their menses out of the picture. The test here is simple - We are trying to prove Mohammed 7th century statement is true based on ESTABLISHED fact of science. What I find with your arguments is that you makes too many assumptions and tries to manufacture explanations to fit your model. This is both dangerous from religious and scientific viewpoints. Again, the test is simple:

PLEASE PROVE HOW A FLY THAT CARRIES TYPHOID IN ONE OF IT'S WINGS HAVE THE CURE TO THE SAME TYPHOID IN IT'S SECOND WING - it is that simple

it will be pretty silly to convince a man who downed his drink that his action of dipping the fly that he found in his cup of ginger ale did not work even as he was not sick, while others at the concert were nauseated. how can you argue that the fly he dipped in didnt carry what others were sick from, and that his dipping it in was what not a cure for him?

Your argument falls short of what is described in the Hadith. Perhaps you need some help understanding how flies spread diseases:

Flies are recognized as carriers of easily communicable diseases. Flies collect pathogens on their legs and mouths when females lay eggs on decomposing organic matter such as feces, garbage and animal corpses. Flies carry diseases on their legs and the small hairs that cover their bodies. It takes only a matter of seconds for them to transfer these pathogens to food or touched surfaces. Mature house flies also use saliva to liquefy solid food before feeding on it. During this process, they transfer the pathogens first collected by landing on offal. Diseases carried by house flies include typhoid, cholera and dysentery. Other diseases carried by flies include salmonella, anthrax and tuberculosis. Flies have also been known to transmit the eggs of parasitic worms.

Since we have the above perspective sorted out, let us refer to the Hadith one more time:

Bukahari Vol IVNo. 537 === Narrated Abu Huraira: The prophet said."If a house fly falls into the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (into the drink) because one of it's wings has a disease and the other wing has the cure (for that disease)"

Bukhari Vol. VII, no. 673 === Narrated Abu Huraira. Allahs prophet said, "If a fly falls in the vessel of any of you, let him dip all of it into the vessel and then throw it away, for in one of it's wings there is a disease and in the other wing there is healing"

The Hadith here is making a DIRECT STATEMENT = For in one of it's wings there is a disease and in the other wing there is healing

So, the issue is not whether you will get sick or not - that is the point you are missing. The prophet said that the fly has a disease and the cure to that disease is in it's 2nd wing. We have seen above the diseases that a fly carries, all I am asking you to prove is that the fly has a cure to the same disease it carries. YOU HAVEN'T DONE THAT

sino: ^^^ As in ehn, i tire o!
There is this 'face palm' pix i would have love to use, but your Obama definitely is perfect!

I like the fact that you use "your Obama" .

Again, if you don't have anything important to say; I suggest you take the back seat and keep quiet.

sino: Na wa o, i know it's quite difficult for you to accept the truth, you always want to have the last say abi? I know you'll buy french books to learn french, and then when you encouter a difficult word to pronounce, you use your local dialect to pronounce it abi? Then you become an expert in french language? You watch couple of movies, rambo, commando and maybe equalizer 2000, then you become a perfect marskman. Thankyou for showing me how you reason. Keep shooting anyhow...

So, I must be a scholar to understand Islam abi? I will say it again, my sources about Islam are:

1. The Quran
2. The Hadith
3. The life of Mohammed

I don't need to go to Saudi Arabia to understand the Sunni views on Islam or to Iran to understand the Shia view on Islam. For example, let us say I want to learn about marriage in Islam. I open the Quran and it tells me, you can marry up to 4 wives if you can love them equally; do I need a scholar view on that or is the Quran an authority on that?

Second example - issue of wife beating ===== So many Islamic scholars have radical views on beating your wife. Some said it is a muslim man legitimate right to beat his wife and refuse to sleep with her. Others say you can lightly touch/beat her etc. Should I listen to them or should I listen to the Quran? These are scholars that have what you call "PHD" in Islam

What you fail to understand with all your knowledge about Islam is that more and more people are researching and learning about Islam than ever before. Also, we have historical evidence about the life of Mohammed and his actions. Some Islamic scholar said Mohammed married 11 women, others say 13, still others say 23. Who should I listen to? Or should I research and find out how many he actually had from the Quran and Hadith.

By your standard, I have to be a PHD cook to make eba and egusi . It becomes worse by your standard when I have to feed many people that want to come to by birthday party - I have to get endorsed by cooks that went to the best culinary schools before I can cook for people that love my food? Get off your high horse and use your common sense.

I can give you so many examples but since I need a "PHD" in Islamic education before I touch the Quran by your standard; I will take the ALTERNATE route - I WOULD READ THE QURAN AND HADITH that I have been reading since I was a kid because they are the a AUTHORITY ON ISLAM than any PHD Islamic scholar would ever had