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deSika: all these just for a simple answer you could have given to a simple question. pls do us the favour pick one question and answer it.
does shirk stop being shirk on judgement day, by the way, where will jugement day take place

the rules will be changed by who, and what rules would be change

the picture that they had, even though you may argue its on judgement day, where will they get the picture from as they have not seen Allah before.

the mark of a sincere person is in his responce to questions being asked and not in dodging them.

shalom aleichem.....salaam aleikun

It's called circular reasoning, muslims like sino are specialists at it.

sino

I wouldn't have dignified you with a response, but you guys can be quite annoying with your pseudo-knowledge about Islam. So it's Bukhari that narrates the hadiths ba? Your ignorance is quite exquisite...

Must you be clueless all the time. The Hadith Al-Bukhari, who compiled it? Who wrote/collected the words in a book that you call Al-Bukhari today? Read my posts again, I never claimed he narrated it; I said he wrote the Hadith since he collected them.

Please inform us what the @hadith is about, this world(earth) or judgement day? Answer and see your argument fall like row of dominoes

Must you always be daft, no be me post the Hadith? You said you knew this Hadith earlier but never ever mentioned it.

I can see you pride yourself on the amount of Islamic knowledge of have come to attain(like the one you just displayed above), me i no sabi anything, i be learner, i like my status

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Then a learner shouldn't be telling me that I am clueless about the Quran or Hadith when my sources HAVE MORE AUTHORITY than he will ever know.

I can never say that i surpass all what you mentioned, infact i know next to nothing when compared to the Qur'an, the Prophet(SAW) and the scholars of good repute. Alexis, i don't think i have met anyone as arrogant as you are, please heed my advice i posted earlier or you'll have loads of problems in real life.

Since you know nothing why not take a back seat and learn mate. If you can't contribute then keep quiet and shut-up. So, because I have posted ONLY ONE hadith that contradicts the Quran means I will have problems in life huh?

I know i am clueless, i asked you what you know about usool fiqh, mustolahu-l-hadith, arabic etc. you didn't give a response, can you know all this by reading the Qur'an, Hadith and the life of rosul(SAW)? If you don't know about this things, do you think you can confidently speak about Islam and its teachings to Muslims who spend their entire life learning about their deen? Every aspect of Islam is a subject matter that scholars have researched into, for example, you go to the university and study only hadith, you go for msc and phd only on hadith, talkless of fiqh, sharia, tafseer etc

Why not indulge me and debate me to find out

tintingz: *singing and passing by*


''. . . . .row row row ya boat...gently down tha stream. . .repeating repeating repeating same thing that is what they do''

While rowing down the stream, did you come across how old Mary was from the Bible . We are still waiting for you to show us she was 9 years old

deSika: i just noticed that Lanrexlan and Maclatunji actualy select my posts they can respond to and leave out the ones where i asked questions.

you guys have not still answered me.
Mac
1. who is going to change what laws and when
2. how will shirk cease to be shirk on judgement day

Lanrexlan
this is what you said


i am now asking.
you seem to be banking on the word "judgement day" to continue deceiving yourself. now since they have not seen Allah before this time, [size=15pt] this picture they would have of Allah would it not have a resemblance to one of Allah's creatures [/size] and as such go against the tawheed.


i wont be surprised if you dont answer again. thats what falsehood can do to you

This bone you are giving them to crack is pretty HARD mate

blenble: these people are just too funny!
They are so fast to say that there are contradiction in d Bible; bt when u show them contradictions in d quran and hadith-they cry fowl! These are things visible to d eyes,that only a blind man will not see!

The problem is they don't read their religious text properly. They had always believed it is an abomination to represent Allah in ones mind. You show them proof from their VERY OWN religious texts that they have never seen before and they start giving their own meaning to what it means

sino: And before i forget, you don't go buy couple of books on medicine and then go on to debate with a medical doctor(a neurosurgeon) on hemispherectomy. A food for thought.

Neither do I need to go to France to speak french or know how to build a gun to shoot one . Learning about Islam is not rocket science nor is it mystical - If anyone wants to learn and know about Islam - the Quran and Hadith are the AUTHORITATIVE sources.

sino

Lol, very funny, unlike you, i have learnt and understood about Tawheed asm'a wa sifaat, i know that there is nothing compared to Allah(SWT) and that In shaa Allah, when me and my brothers enter Janah, we'll see Allah(SWT) and we would be pleased with what we see.

Good for you

There is no contradiction, i believe Allah(SWT) sees, but His vision is absolute and all encompassing, His eyes can never be like mine so i don't form images Of Allah in my mind. He had described some of His attributes, i believe in them and i do not raise questions as to how.
The hadith didn't include "the image we had in our mind while on earth" so why will i bother myself about it?

Believe what you want, that is what makes us human. Al-Bukhari was clear when he said that Allah can be represented in a muslims mind and he sure didn't say "On Judgement day" either. No one is asking you to believe his statement, we are saying that it is on record from one of your authoritative religious texts that Allah can be represented in a muslims mind. Al-Bukhari believed it and that is good enough for me

You see, the difference between an ignorant person who knows not and does not know he knows not and a person who knows not and his willing to know is that, the former wouldn't want to learn, he is arrogant and thinks he is self sufficient while the latter his honest, humble and ready to learn.

Okay Doctor who - again, I am willing to debate you to prove your knowledge on Islam

P.S: I do not learn so as to debate with you, i learn and study to lift ignorance from myself and the society. If you have misconceptions about the religion, i can help to explain them with my limited knowledge and i can always depend rely on Allah for you to understand and rely on my able brothers who are more knowledgeable than me to explain things to you.

Misconceptions about your religion? Are you kidding me? What misconception will that be? I don't need your help in explaining Islam to me mate. If I need to understand Islam, the Quran, the Hadith and the life-style of Mohammed is enough for me. You can never surpass Mohammed or the Quran or the Hadith.

Lol, yada yada yada

As always, clueless

oluamid: and is Muhammad the founder of Boko Haram?

The question you should ask is if Boko Haram are muslims!

sino

Yes, so?

Hehehe, if you did you would have explained it instead of relying on others to. Try again and stop biting your tonque

No, and also, you don't know the Qur'an and Hadith by going to anti-Islamic sites and reading one or two hadiths either.
Do you know anything about mustolahu-l-hadith? Usool-l-fiqh? Tafseer? Sirah? Sababu nuzul? Tawheed/aqeedah? Ijtihad? Do you know what it takes befor you can call a person an Islamic scholar, an authority in Islam? Do you even have any knowledge about arabic the language of Islam?
Answer these questions and lets know who should stop being ignorant!

Anti-Islamic you say; I have the Quran and the Hadith in front of me. I am actually reading about the succession of the Caliphs right now. So, if you think I get my information from else-where; you need to come off your high-horse.

If you want to debate me on Islam, I welcome you - choose a topic. I am tempted to give you some of my background in Islam but I will leave it for now

To the rest of what you posted, irrelevances

Cheap defense when one can't provide any meaningful answer

sino: Brother, he wants to capitalize on your mistake cos he has no other point to stand on. Anyone who thinks he and his likes are winning this debate belong to the same level of reasoning, poor and inept.

Thank you for another evidence, now watch him sidestep it and continue on his ignorance...

They say provide a proof, you bring them, they say they don't believe, you use logic and common sense they say you are in denial...SMH

Allah's Rahma be with you bro.

I rather debate with lanrexlan because he actually does research and debate; unlike you. Maybe you should open a dictionary and find the definition of debate. It might help you get some perspective.

lanrexlan

Thank you brother,this is the 4th time he will keep repeating that I lied after I made my apologies that I made a mistake.He wanna make me regret for apologizing to him,but I won't I can't lie when I see I am wrong.One thing about alexis is that he loves repeating the same thing and people will think he's winning in a debate.

How many times did you call me a liar? . You didn't only call me a liar but said I fabricated the Hadith and inserted my own words. If you want to set the record straight, go ahead. I don't need your apology; swallowing your own words is good enough for me

Desika - you should not apologize to me, you should apologise to Alexis who you called a liar here
lanrexlan: The place alexis highlighted is not in the hadith,he decided to add his own words.
lanrexlan: That means alexis is lieing,that part he highlighted isn't in the hadith.

Don't mind both of them,bro maclatunji break the thing down to the lowest level,he still insisting Quran is contradicting hadith.Let me give him the final example that things will change on the day of Judgement,Allah(swt) prohibits the drinking of intoxicants[all forms of alcoholic wines and drinks]It is mentioned in the glorious Quran in surah Al-Maidah 5;90-''O you who believe! Intoxicants and gambling,Al-Anzab(animals slaughtered to stone idols)and arrows for seeking luck or decision are abominations of shaitan's handiwork.So avoid strictly all that (abominations) in order that you may be successful''.We can clearly see that drinking wines is haram(forbidden)in islam and it's a sin on you if you do so.

Read the Hadith again please. Muslims are always known for giving interpretation to things they don't understand. Didn't Al-Bukhari know that it is an shirk to represent Allah in any form whether in the present or on judgement day? And where in the Quran did it say it is fine to commit shirk on judgement day?

But the same Quran also talk about people of paradise having wines[surah As-Saffat 37;45-45,surah Al-Mutaffifin 83;25]Is that a contradiction or things will change in the hereafter? Definitely not a contradiction,the wine that's forbidden here on earth is lawful for the people of paradise.Allah knows if you drink wine on earth,it will surely creates enmity among yourselves and make you forget performing your duties to Allah.Wines that are sinful on earth but made lawful to the people of paradise on the day of Judgement,change of rules and Allah knows best the unseen.

You are right, the Quran forbids drinking wine on earth and provides rivers of wine in heaven. It made it clear. Can you tell us where in the Quran it said you can represent Allah in ones mind on judgement day as you claim the Hadith was talking about?

There aren't here to learn,they are here to criticize.No matter how you try to explain,they won't take it than to criticize it.....Peace brother.

Look who is talking! How many times have Christians explain the Trinity/GodHead to you?

sino

Alhamdulilah bro lanrexlan explained himself about the hadith, for him to have even corrected himself on here is a big plus for him, cos he is sincere and i respect him for that. The question is, can you do the same?

And I saluted him for doing it but it is on record that he lied and not me.

If you can't understand anything from mac's posts, then your case is tending towards pathetic.
See my advice for you is this, be polite and humble, don't come on here cos you read one or two hadiths believing you've got all the knowledge about Islam. You've not fully understand your own religion sef talkless of Islam!

Did you know about the Hadith I posted before I posted it? And do you think you know the Quran and Hadith just because you are a muslim? Stop being ignorant

Lol, jargons? SMH. The topic is how muslims can teach non-muslims abi? You raised a question, it was explained, links where provided for you to read more but you refused to learn, you remain adamant on your preconceived understanding and opinion. Seriously, i can't help you!

How can you help when you can contribute anything. The closest person that has some rational when debating is lanrexlan, I can almost reason with him. He provided links showing where it is shirk to represent any image to Allah in defense to the Hadith that I posted. Maclatunji tried to explain it away but the Hadith and the Quran contradict themselves on the same issue. I don't need your help mate - you have never provided any. You are in denial

maclatunji: Hahahaha... it is no longer about whether or not the rules change on judgement day? I thought you were arguing that the rules don't change. See yourself with your deceitfulness.

Always piggy-backing on irrelevant matters . The issue is not judgement day, the issue is that the Hadith confirms that muslims can have a representation of Allah in their minds. Because the Hadith contradicts the Quran, you are here offering your own updated opinion. Are you more knowledgeable that Al-Bukhari?

sino: *in alexis mode*

Provide AUTHRITATIVE proof for the above, in a SCHOLARSTIC debate, you don't make a statement without backing it up with AUTHORITATIVE PROOFS.

Don't tell me to go and study it, that does not encourage scholarship( ). Moreover, some of us have been studying the Qur'an and Hadith since we were kids mate

My people, may Allah(SWT) reward you all, these guys(desika and co) are not here to learn about Islam, but to mock and ridicule. Unfortunately for them, they are the one exposing their ignorance and inanity.

Make sure you wipe your mouth when you finish talking. Your brothers have been all over the place when they saw Allah can be represented in a muslim mind from the Hadith. lanrexlan was the first to call me a liar and said I cooked up the Hadith and was lying. Bone hook his throat and he came back later and said he was the one that was lying

maclatunji cheaply tried to explain it away with his circular reasoning but has continue to shoot himself in the foot saying the Hadith is referring to judgement day. Proof he doesn't have so it has been suggested he takes the back seat and keep quiet.

Here you come following in the same foot-step, not offering any contribution whatsoever but spewing jargons as usual

maclatunji: Hahahaha, the self-acclaimed 'experts' on Islam are beginning to look for diversions. We will all be naked on the day of judgement. Does Islam allow unclothedness here on earth?

When I told you the rules change on the day of judgement, you brought inept arguments. It will be nice to see you shift the goal post again. #LOL

Can't you be honest once in your life. I will agree that I am not an expert on Islam but I spend time reading the Quran and Hadith. You are a student of Islam, you and your muslim brothers should do the same as well. If you had, you wouldn't be in this predicament.

Your Hadith clearly states that you can represent Allah in your mind, your Quran says otherwise. Both books contradict themselves and you are here adding your own contradiction to the mix.

maclatunji: LOL. Even a non-Muslim who studies Islamic knowledge will know you and desika are ignorant. You trying to define Islam from the context of Christian dogma. Your arguments are dead before delivery.

Mr man, provide evidence to backup what you are saying. I quoted your Hadith yet you are here vehemently denying it. Your Quran said you can't have a representation of Allah your Hadith says other-wise. You are crying all day because your holy books contradict themselves

I dont know where alexis is from because i may need to borrow idiomatic expression from his people. if a man didn't get sick, he is cured from the sickness because it is an assumption that was sick already similar to forgiving already the sin of the future. in both cases, the person will not get sick and the other will not commit the sin.

Bros, stick to the point about the scientific claims about Mohammed. We are talking about how flies have cure to any disease it carries, how Adam was 90 feet tall and how a non-muslim has 7 intestines. So far, all you have done is talk in circles.

if you wanna be elementary, the man was prevented from getting sick because he take the medicine that did not let him be called sick with the disease or there was no disease to be cured because it was neutralized before it gets to him similar to the man who did not get to commit the sin because the opportunity of committing the sin was blocked or removed.

Again, going in circles on a topic that is irrelevant to what we are discussing. I will ask you the same simple question again. If a fly carries typhoid fever in one of it's wings - does it have the cure to the typhoid fever in another wing based on your prophet scientific reasoning?

alexis, it is you who need to go get flies and analyze each to see if it carries any disease and the cure. my case is easy; i believe and if no palm wine drinker gets sick because he dipped the fly in his drink that is enough proof. since you disbelieve, your job is compounded so that you can disproof.

I don't have to prove anything. It is only a muslim that would believe a fly carries cure to any disease that it spreads irrespective of his education. I asked you for evidence and you posted how a fly can possibly possess anti-bacteria properties. As if that is proof that it has a cure to whatever disease it carrier. You later tried to come up with an impossible explanation that PREVENTION EQUALS CURE; that didn't work either and here you are talking about palm-wine drinkers. I thought muslims weren't suppose to drink, so who was Mohammed referring to?

when i used the plane crash, it is something similar because most plane crashes does not have any survivor. but in rare cases, you find survivors, and the survivor many be the weakest of the passengers. what this tells us is that God determines who get sick or dies. caution [dip the fly in your drink], [buckle us and fasten your seat belt] and leave the outcome to God Who you should put your trust in.

You comparison has no logic. There are accidents everyday where babies die but adults survive and vice-versa. It holds no water. Again, stick to the thread and provide reliable evidence

yoruba will say he eats until he needs to use the restroom. thats over indulging. in islam, we are told that a plate for one is enough for 2 people. we are told if you eat to the max it must not be more than 1/3 of the stomach, drink must not be more than 1/3 of the stomach and must ideally leave the last 1/3 of the stomach so that you can breath. i doubt if you get the wisdom of it all and when a person who drank 7 times yesterday of what he drinks today, if his becoming a muslim today is responsible for the moderation, he definitely drank yesterday as if he had 7 intestines because today as a muslim he has 1 intestine. its a statement full of wisdom and ramadhan this year in the upper part of northern hemisphere will be long. most places in america, it starts definitely before 4 am and does not stop until 9 pm. england and other parts of europe is even longer. yet muslims in these places will fast and perform all the duties of fasting along with duties of livelihood. the disbelievers may not have to endure this long fast because they have no reason to, so they may have their proverbial 7 intestines while at the end of the month long, the muslims will eat less and definitely will only have the proverbial 1 intestine

Oga, you don't need to tell me about the Yoruba culture to explain the Hadith. Your Hadith made a claim - it said because a non muslim eat so much, he must have more than one intestine? It never said anything about the ramadan or the places where muslims live or fasting or whatsoever.

Mohammed said the man eat too much and as a result he had more than one intestine - simple!. So, what if it was a muslim that ate as much or even more, then what? My point is and still remains simple - Show us how a human anatomy has 7 intestines? You can show us before and after he ate. You can show us a muslim and non-muslim intestines so we can compare. A simple picture will suffice

Again, you have failed to provide direct answers to these simple questions:

1. If a fly carries typhoid fever in one of it's wings; does it have a cure in it's other wing?
2. Can you show us a picture of a muslim intestine and a non-muslim intestine to see if a non-muslim has 7 intestine
3. Can you tell us or prove that Adam was 90 feet tall? How tall was Eve or their kids?

I dey wait for your answer

maclatunji: ^Your point is invalid. The questions to be asked on the day of judgement will not affect the already determined outcome of the destination of each individual.

It is like your teacher who already knows that you have failed asking you: 'what did you do with all your free time?' whilst handling you your report card.

You can give any answer you like, but it won't change your result.

#Ha!

Stop going around in circles, it's a classic muslim tactic. Your Hadith contradicts your Quran when it comes to an image of Allah. We have provided proof and it's steering at you in your face but you are here trying to confuse yourself again.

Your brother lanrexlan said I was lying and the Hadith never existed. He swallowed his words later and said he was incorrect. Here you are, playing pretend and giving your own meaning to an explanation that the Hadith had made perfectly clear. Are we to believe you know more that Al-Bukhari

maclatunji: Very inept question. It is called Day of Judgement not "Day of Doing" or "Day of Sinning".

It is like asking: can the answer a student gives or a thought he has about his exam at the point of receiving his report card affect the results contained therein?

An highly unintelligent question to ask.

All this complicated talk because what was said in the Quran is different from what was said in the Hadith?

blenble: You r a disapointment to me;i v been following ur posts and comments on many threads,u r so ignorant!
U and ayenni are d same fellow.
Let me throw d question back to u-which of those pictures do u believ to be Jesus??
Alexis had shown me d reason y u love jehovah witnesses so much,and i think He is correct!

tintingz claimed Mary (the mother of Jesus was 9 years old) when Joseph married her. He said this in defense of Mohammed marrying a 6 year old girl and consummating his marriage to the child at 9 years old. I asked him for evidence from the Bible that Mary was 9 - guess what? He is still searching

maclatunji: The evidence is obvious. If you cannot find it by now, you will not understand it even when presented to you.

Is that how intelligent people debate? Simple question requires simple answer - I asked you to prove your statement from your Quran or Hadith

Mee234: I can't as I don't know any Arab(joking ). What I'm trying to say is that they know how to dodge questions by telling u the Arab word mean something else other what you read usually from their schooler.

It's a cheap defense tactic by some muslims. The Quran contains several non-arabic words so they have no point. Thanks for clarifying mate, I appreciate it.

maclatunji: It will not be possible to commit shirk or any other sin on the day of judgement. I said it earlier, the rules would have changed.

Provide evidence mate. Where would the rules have changed in the Quran or Hadith.

lanrexlan: [size=15pt]I just verified the hadith alexis posted,I mistook it for another hadith of the same narrator with the same context[/size],only what's different is where he highlighted that says Allah will come to them in a shape nearest to the picture they had in mind about Him.The hadith I mistook for it is that of sahih Bukhari 9;7439,the place he highlighted says Allah will come to them in a shape other than the one they saw the first time.That's the only difference in both hadiths,my mistakes for not verifying in the first instance,accept my apology......Peace

First I was called a LIAR but now you are setting the record straight and blaming your READING COMPREHENSION. I applaud you mate, at least you were honest about it

blenble: well,are u denying ur hadiths again?

Next, he will tell you Mohammed was a Christian

maclatunji: Your ignorance is pathetic and laughable. Sahih Bukhari is an Holy Book? What will you tell us next? Moses (AS) is an angel? #LOL

Stop side-stepping the question Al Bukhari records and statements are part of the Hadith and muslims view it as a holy text and inspired by Allah. Bone is hooking your throat now so you have decided to evade the matter at hand and cherry pick irrelevant statements.

blenble: there is alot u dnt knw abt Jehovah witness!

Why not answer His question? What do u say abt yourself? Are u three since u r made up of the spirit ,soul and body?

Islam and Jehovah witness have a lot in common - They believe Jesus is a mere man, that is why tintingz loves them so much

lanrexlan: Brother olamkas,don't waste your time with him jare.The place he painted red isn't in the hadith,he decided to add his own words,I am pleading with you bro,don't waste your precious time with him..........Peace

Please refer us to the Hadith so we can read whether it is there or not.

olamkas: so you believed the hadith right?did you not read the aspect which says ''Afterwards the Christians will be called upon and it will be said to them, 'Who do you use to worship?' They will say, 'We used to worship Jesus, the son of Allah.' It will be said to them, 'You are liars, for Allah has never taken anyone as a wife or a son,' Then it will be said to them, 'What do you want?' They will say what the former people have said...''

Trying hard to defend Islam huh - your muslim brothers are the ones that said Allah can't be described or attributed to anything - the Hadith above CLEARLY tells us other-wise. Either you don't know how to read or you are to ask your Imam what the above verse means. It surprises me that muslims don't read their Holy Books. Later, they will come here and shout - Allah can't be described, Allah is this, Allah is that.

If you don't understand the above, then you should even post on this thread

olamkas: friend,I swear it again,there's nothing you can use to describe or justify your trinity.it is FALSE. No where to be found in the holy books.
i don't even know who originated this evil ideology

Your level of understanding has been blinded by your refusal to understand others religious beliefs. The same way you are showing intolerance to others belief is the same way Islam can't co-exist with others. I will say it and keep saying it -

CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN ONE GOD

tosin2013: Yes u are correct for dat is plot of d satanists n western powers! U wanna know y? Cos dey are afraid of d latent power islam possess. They invaded iraq for nothing and now manipulating d syrian war.

"And they plot and Allah plot for verily Allah is d best of plotters!"

It seems you need a little history of your religion. Muslims have been fighting and killing themselves way before you and I were born mate. There were no western nations then? Let me give you a few examples so you can check for yourself:

1. The assassination of 'Uthman ibn 'Affan === Two influential muslim men, Muhammad bin Abu Bakr and Ammar bin Yasir, entered were responsible for torturing and killing Uthman. This was as a result of the succession of the Caliphs. Please read your history abeg. America or the West wasn't there

2. The Battle of Siffin === Over 15,000 muslim men were killed during the battle of Siffin, where Ali bin Abu Talib fought against Mu'awiyah Ibn Abi-Sufyan (Leader of the Umayyads, who started the Umayyad empire). This conflict was over the succession of the Caliphate, after the assassination of Uthman. These were muslims killing one another The Quran strictly forbids this. You can't claim they weren't muslims because they were muslims before you became a muslim. America, Britain and France wasn't there so you can't blame them. This battle was fought May-July 657 in Syria, by the Euphrates River, check it out for your reference.

3. The battle of Karbala === A few years later after the vicious battle of Siffin, Ali's sons, Al-Hassan and Al-Hussein, met the son of Mu'awiyah in another battle in the city og Karbala, Iraq, where over 14,000 muslims were killed and Al-Hussein bin Ali was beheaded. His corpse was gruesomely disfigured, and his head was hanged on a pole publicly. His wife and all his children (the grandsons and great-grandsons of Muhammed) was killed. America and the west wasn't there so you can't blame this one of them (Reference = Fought october 10, 680. Karbala is 60 miles SW of Baghdad)

I can go on and on and on. His is all recorded in history. However, muslims like yourself are either ignorant or playing pretend. Bringing it home to the 21st century, you have:

4. Iraq and Iran === The Iraqis fought against the Iranians for 8 years resulting in the death of more than 1 million Iraqis and one and one half million Iranians, plus more than 6 million men wounded and thousand disabled. Una go blame America. Sadaam was scared that Shia Iran that had just over-threw the king was going to rise up a resistance in his pre-dominantly Shia country so he started one of the worst wars in the 21st century. Muslims don't see that - all want to do is blame others for their problems.

4. Iraq versus Kuwait === After that, Iraqis invaded Kuwait under the direction of the butcher, Saddam Hussein, who killed thousands of people, robbed, stole and dispersed Kuwaitis throughout the world , until they restored their land with the help of mainly Christian Americans and Europeans. Kuwaitis are Muslims but it was largely a secular Christian nation who restored then to their land and protected them from someone who claimed to be a grand-child of Mohammed.

The Shia and Sunni rivalry has been as old as the advent of Islam itself. Look at Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and even here on Nairaland muslims forum where Shia muslims like LagosShia and Sunni muslims like BetaThings have spirited debates about who's version of Islam is right and wrong and the constant killing of Shias around the world and mainly in muslim lands.

Please do some research before you post things you are ignorant about