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Abdul Adam56: 1) ISLAM: There is no compulsion in religion.
BOKO HARAM: Everyone must adhere to our ways else…
2) ISLAM: Love all and be just to all regardless of religion.
BOKO HARAM: If you are not with us you are against us.
3) ISLAM: Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) lived with peaceful Christians and Jews as his neighbours.
BOKO HARAM: All non-Muslims mustleave the North.
4) ISLAM: You are only permitted toprotect yourselves when you are attacked first. And you should retaliate justly but when u gain an upper hand, u shld better forgive and leave everything to Allah.
BOKO HARAM: We attack all who stand in our way
5) ISLAM: A true Muslim is one fromwhose tongue and hands his community is safe.
BOKO HARAM: We do not care your religion. Muslim or Christian we will crush any who stands in our way.
6) ISLAM: Killing of innocent souls is a great sin. No human being has theright to take life except through thedue process of the Law.
BOKO HARAM: Allah will understand.He will not punish us.
7) ISLAM: During war, non-combatant women and children must not be touched. Talk less of peace time.
BOKO HARAM: We kill men, women and children.
ISLAM: At war time, all non-Muslims that run into their places of worship ortheir homes will not be harmed. Talk less of peace time.
BOKO HARAM: We bomb non-Muslims in their places of worship. We also kill Muslims in theirmosques and homes if we feel theyare a threat to us.
So who really are these people withwarped ideologies and intents?
I may not know what they are really out to achieve but I do know for sure they do not represent Islam. Rather, they are acting contrary to it's most sublime teachings: peaceful advocacy.
Of course, Islam strongly disapproves of corruption and incapable leadership!
LET'S WORK TOGETHER, REGARDLESS OF TRIBE AND RELIGION TO PROVIDEA BETTER TOMORROW FOR ALL. May Allah help us all

Please give us references for each one of your statement from the Quran and/or hadith to CONFIRM that you are saying

olajide21: "And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a grave false charge, and for their saying, 'We killed the messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messiah of God"…yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at variance concerning him are surely in doubt the following of conjecture; and they did not kill him of certainty…no indeed; God raised him up to Him; God is Almighty, Allwise. There is not one of the people of the book but will assuredly believe him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them." (An-Nissa 4:156-159)..... Hey Alex, you can check up this as well as download a copy of the Qur'an for your studies on line.

Thanks for providing the verse I appreciate it. The reason I asked was for clarification and I will like you to clarify my next question because I am a bit confused. You established from the Quran that Jesus never DIED and God "Allah" took him to himself.

Other parts of the Quran said Jesus DIED:

Surah Al-Imran 3:55 === "Behold! Allah said, O Jesus, I wil cause thee to DIE and raise thee to myself, and clear thee of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who disbelieve (in you), even to the day of the Resurrection. Then shall ya all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute"

Here the Quran not only mentions the death of Christ, contradicting the verse you quoted. The Quran also mentions the death of Jesus Christ here:

Surah Maryam 19:33 === "So peace is on me, the day I was born, the day I DIE, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"

Here are two verses in the Qu'ran speaking of the death of Jesus Christ, and one verse that said He did not die!. Can you please explain or through more light.

Thanks

olajide21: Hello Alexis....... No Jesus; the son of Mary was not killed. God took him to himself (Ascension)........

Please confirm from the Quran or the Hadith where it says that so we can review. Thanks.

Do you believe He died?

miftaudeen: @truthman2012,mr lier why did u like to deceive urself. you pray for ss patient and she ill. there are many ss patients in hospital, go to ojurin in agege many blinds are there, or should i organise one ss patient or a blind man for u? i know can't

I am waiting for you to prove what science published respectable paper said a fly has an anti-dote for any sickness the fly carries.

IbrahimB: @alexis


Please quote the reference so that I can reply your points together. Thanks.

Sahih Bukhari 7.18

Narrated ‘Ursa:

The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for ‘Aisha’s hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said “But I am your brother.” The Prophet said, “You are my brother in Allah’s religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry.”

IbrahimB: No one complained about Aisha's marriage to the Prophet like you said. Aisha's betrothal and marriage to the Prophet was certainly not an "abnormal" thing in those days. Kindly consider the following:

a) Even before Muhammad, Aisha had been betrothed to Jubayr ibn Mut'im whose non-Muslim father objected to the marriage. This fact alone rests the issue that the Prophet's marriage to Aisha was simply one of the Prophet's whimsicalities which even at that time was unusual. (Ref: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubayr_ibn_Mut%27im[/url])

b) On some accounts, it was Khawla bint Hakim who prompted the Prophet to marry again - after the death of his first wife Khadija - specifically to the daughter of his bosom friend, Abubakar who was also the first Caliph of Islam. It's easy to see why Khawla would suggest to the Prophet to marry a virgin, for his second wife, as he had been married to a much older woman for 25 years or so, being now over 50 years of age.

c) On receiving the proposal, the Prophet remarked that Aisha was still "young" being only 6 years at that time (and additionally he was with children who needed a step-mother). This was probably the reason why the consummation of the marriage was delayed till when Aisha was about 9 years old.

While Aisha stayed with her parents, the Prophet got married to yet another widowed woman - Sawda Bint Zam'ah - to take care of his children.

Note: Sawda Bint Zam'ah was over 50 years old and was older than the Prophet.

d) The fact that the marriage took place in Makkah is also particularly noteworthy. In Makkah the Muslims were weak and the Prophet didn't have the influence and power as he had in the latter stages of his life (I assume you are familiar with the Prophet's migration from Makkah to Medina?). In Makkah he was frequently being dismissed as being a poet, soothsayer or madman, would he then provide fodder to his enemies by veering into the anti-social?

Contracting an "obnoxious marriage" during the height of the Mekkan persecution when the Islamic Faith was still weak would be shooting himself in the foot and would certainly not be in his best interests.

e) There is no record of anyone at that time - Muslim, Mekkan or Jew - ridiculing the Prophet on the basis of marrying Aisha at that young age.

f) I was recently reading the biography of the Prophet by William Muir - a 19th century English critic of the Prophet - and I was surprised that he merely mentioned the Prophet's marriage to Aisha in passing, without raising a storm as he would normally do on other aspects of the Prophet's life. (I must add, I haven't finished the work though).

I believe this issue, probably "escaped" him as people at his time were not as sensitive to the issue of "child marriages" as we are at this time.

Our environment shapes our sensitivities. This is important.

I would be surprised if there was a single Nairaland member who doesn't have an "underage" ancestor at one time or the other.

Regards.

I think you mis-understood what I meant. Sino said no one complained about the prophet marriage to Aisha - I said that not correct as Aisha's father wasn't in support of the marriage initially.

On point A, you are a student of Islam, you should know that if backing up anything, wikipedia shouldn't be your source., The Quran and Hadith are there and they are the authoritative text to use. I can log onto wikipedia and change the link you provided.

On point B, you seem to make a mistake. Khawla did not mention Aisha, but rather she said: "the daughter of your friend Abu Bakr", meaning the older daughter Asma, not Aisha. It is more logical for her to mean 18 year old Asma, because Aisha was only 6. But Mohammed choose to marry 6 year old Aisha, why - we would never know.

Is there a moral law in this world (whether in 7th century Arabia or 16th century England), that would allow a 50 year old man marry a 6 year old child? That is the question that puzzles me. Now remember, he married Khadija who was 15 years his Senior, I don't have a problem with that. If he had married a girl of 15 or 18, we wouldn't have a problem with that.

Here is a statement by Abbas Ibn Hisham and Ibn Hajar:

"The Messenger of Allah said, when he saw Um Habib bint Abbas, while she was yet an infant: 'When she reaches the age while I am alive, I will marry her'. At that time, she was 3 years old and he was 60".

Before you claim that I don't know what I am talking about, here are the hadiths for your reference:

Al-Isaba fi tamyiz al-Sahaba, Vol. IV, p. 422 and Rawad al-Unuf, Vol. III, p. 66

On point C & D, they are not related to the topic at hand

On point E, you are incorrect. If I provide a reference from the Hadith showing Abu Bakr questioning the marriage of Mohammed to Aisha - would that be sufficient evidence that there was at least ONE complaint?

What is considered "under-aged". Your approach to this subject has been very very good. Sino tried to justify the fact that Mary was "12" when she married and as a result, it was alright for Mohammed to marry a 6 year old. I told him that 12 and 6 are way apart. A 12 year old can baby-sit and protect a 6 year old. A 12 year old is more matured in nearly every aspect that a 6 year old.

I don't doubt that there were early marriages in Arabia and Europe and even in Africa during that time. However, I question the morality of a "Holy Prophet" marrying a child.

OnlineNaija4u: Nuke them now, let GOD sort them out!

Nuke who?

IbrahimB: @Alexis About the Prophet "wearing Aisha's clothes" and "Aisha's father not agreeing to the marriage", can you please start a thread on those two issues so that we don't derail this one? Your misconceptions about those two issues can be appropriately dealt with there. Thanks.

I didn't intend to start a thread on the two points but to point out to sino that his perception of the prophet been a GREAT man was questionable and to refute his claim that no one complain about Aisha's marriage when she was 6.

IbrahimB: @Alexis


You are right that Mary's age was not mentioned in the Bible. It was not unusual for Jewish girls at the time to be married by the age of 12 (Note: a girl may be betrothed before that time). Ref: http://www.jewfaq.org/marriage.htm#Kiddushin

We also have references to Mary's age in Christian writings for example in the Catholic encyclopedia: http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=6476 (scroll to the section title "marriage" ) and http://christianity.about.com/od/newtestamentpeople/p/marymotherjesus.htm

Hi IbrahimB - thanks for the info and for the reference. I am okay with the fact that you agreed her age wasn't mentioned in the Bible. Thanks again for the reference.

sino: ^^^
Hope you enjoyed the waltz...

Really - that is your response

sino: ^^^
Yada yada yada, sorry, i didn't know we were having a 'scholastic debate'...

If you had been a little patient to watch the video on the link i posted, you would have found answers to your 'scholastic questions' in regards to the prophet(SAW).

With you displaying readiness to quote the Qur'an and Hadiths to back your claims, shouldn't i think you've studied them so much?

See, i no get your time, the issue on this thread has been adequately explained, as i said, you are entitled to your opinion, no one is forcing you to believe anything.

Lol, no worry mate. I wouldn't engage you again. You have provided all the reference I asked for - NONE. People like you go around in circles. You have passed with an A in doing that already. Good luck to you.

In between, that your prophet married a child is not my opinion - it's a DOCUMENTED FACT IN YOUR HOLY BOOK. If you think he is a GREAT man for marrying a kid - that is your banana-split; not mine. You tried to defend it that everyone was okay with it but it back-fired on you. You tried to justify the same with Jewish culture but proof, you no fit provide.

It is on record that he wore Aisha clothes too - I guess that is another reason he is considered great. Hmmmmmm........

sino

Huh?! You wouldn't have missed it during your 'extensive' study of the Qur'an and Hadith, or you've never really did any study?

When you engage others, learn to provide specific references so people can confirm your source. All I asked is that you provide references from the Quran and Hadith - that shouldn't be too hard, should it?

By the way, have you seen this?

https://www.nairaland.com/1304977/jesus-v-muhammad-muslim-response

I want to believe you have a good heart, so watch it and tell me what you think

I suggest we stick to this thread. There is no need to jump to another thread. I can ask you to read the Bible to know more about Jesus but there is no scholarship in that if I don't explain His teachings and person to you.

Come on dude, you need to quit this line, its quite lame. I asked you for a contrary opinion in regards to Mary's(As) age, you ignored it. If we can't find Mary's age in the Bible, shouldn't we look else where? Does History make any sense to you?!
I told you to google the age at which females got married in Mary's era, you started typing some funny things... it's simple, i don't need to start making references(as if i'm writting a thesis) to simple things as this which you can easily verify, moreover references had been provided in previous posts.

Listen, you keep side-stepping the question. How did we know Aisha was 6 when Mohammed married her and she was 9 when he consummated his marriage with her? Did we get that from a contrary opinion or from an AUTHORITATIVE text that muslims hold in high regard? That is the same thing I am asking you to do to confirm Mary's age.

So said references where provided in earlier posts - Can you please show me? Is google an authority on the age of Mary? In a scholastic debate, would you give your opponent google as the reference? .

Come on - we are asking for details and as a student of the Quran, surely you can be a little more precise.

sino: ^^^
*Sighs*
Same old stuff, okay o, it raises a big question about his morals abi? Well, that is your opinion, and you are entitled to it.

There are lofty opinions about this great man, about his life and behaviours, by scholars of good repute, Muslims and Non-Muslims alike, which drowns your opinion totally!
If you want them, i'll gladly present them to you with pleasure

Peace.

Omo, I don't need others opinion about the prophet. The Quran and Hadith are the ONLY AUTHORITATIVE SOURCES that are required to know and learn about Mohammed. Again, it's not my opinion - it is FACTUAL EVIDENCE FROM YOUR HOLY WRITS about the live and deeds of the prophet.

Perhaps you can show me the greatness from the Quran and Hadith - that would have more weight than anyone's opinion

I asked that you provide reference to Mary's age from the Bible and you haven't. In a conversation, especially one that encourages knowledge and scholarship, learn to provide authoritative references.

ayenny02: If you go through my post, you shud have knwn my stand.
1. The Quran Said he did not killed and not crucified (that is my stand)

2. Jesus was not the One called Eli Eli...

Thanks for responding - I appreciate your honestly and direct feedback. So basically, the claim my some muslims that Jesus called on Allah on the cross is false?

sino

1. The prophet(SAW) married Aisha(RA), there was a proposal, it was accepted, parents of the bride gave consent.

To encourage scholarship, research and learning; I humbly ask that you provide authoritative references to backup your statement. It is on record that Aisha father wasn't in support of his 6 year old daughter getting married to Mohammed. I can back it up with proof from the Hadith if you like.

2. People did not see it wrong in his days, even his worst enemies back then, who will do anything to spoil his name, didn't see anything wrong with the union, they were NEVER bothered about it.

Again, you have provided no reference. The burden of proof is on you. To dis-arm your argument, all I need is only ONE reference of someone complaining of it.

3. History as numerous proofs(some of which had been posted here) of young age in regards to women during marriage.

We are specifically talking about Mohammed here and the action of marrying a child. Please don't divert to history

4. Maturity in regards to marriage is relative, 7th century's marriage maturity cannot be used as standard to today's marriage maturity because, society changes (and that is the beauty of Islam, it is universal, maturity is the key word). Aisha(ra) was mature for marriage when she married the Prophet(SAW).

Unfortunately, you need to tell me, prove that she was MATURED. What is the litmus test of maturity? The number 6 is the same in 7th century Arabia as it is the same in 21st century Nigeria.

5. Marrying at 6 or 9 is not a tenet of Islam, what Islam stipulates is maturity, which entails physical and intellectual maturity.

Again, what is maturity when it comes to a 6 year old?

6. You like arguing, and fallacious argument aint good for no one. On the issue of Mary, mother of Jesus(AS), did the Bible tell us the age of Mary? The fact is that, marriage during this period was around 12-14 years(google is your friend). We know that she was betrothed to Joseph, and we know that she gave birth as a virgin(according to the Bible),which places her age within 12 and 14,(if you have contrary opinion, pls let us see). Weather 12, or 14, in this modern day, what will you call that? Will you give your daughter's hand in marriage at these age?

Really, google is now an authority on the Bible . My challenge is simple - if you can prove she was 12 or 14 from the Bible, then I will rest my case. We didn't learn about Mary from Google, neither did we learn about Allah from google. I hope you get my point.

7. Finally, you need stop this your obsession with this issue, it's not healthy for you. It doesn't diminish the Prophet(SAW) in any way, nor will it sway his followers to believe your sentiments... And a discerning mind would understand

Again, I don't care if he married a baby. My point is a "Holy Prophet" wouldn't engage in such acts. It brings his prophet-hood into question. It places a BIG question mark on his morals. Use your common sense and don't leave it in a dust-bin with it comes to your faith.

ayenny02: THE JEWS IN A DILEMMA:

Now let us imagine the restlessness of the Jews after the soldiers brought Judas, thinking him to be Jesus. While, according to them, Jesus is in their custody, what happened to their man, Judas? Why did he not turn up to win accolades from them, for the great betrayal he committed, in order to please them. This must have greatly disturbed them.

Can't you answer a simple question without copying and pasting from your Islamic websites. This is the opportunity for you as a muslim to explain Islam stand on Christ crucifixion:

OP said:

1. If muslims claim Jesus Christ wasn't crucified then THERE IS NO WAY THAT HE MENTIONED ALLAH WHILE HE WAS ON THE CROSS. His evidence is simple - if it wasn't Jesus, then he wasn't the one that called on Allah

2. However, if it was Jesus - Muslims must admit HE WAS CRUCIFIED

THE QUESTION NOW IS - WHAT IS YOUR STAND, PLEASE EXPLAIN WHICH VIEW YOU HOLD.

deSika: here comes version 3, una no go kill person with laugh o. keep em coming. i am waiting for version 4, how Jesus came to Nigeria

Laughing my heads out. As if they can't come to a consensus

Perhaps muslims can tell us the motive behind the killing of the soldier in the UK. We KNOW for a fact that the killers were muslims. Can muslims help us understand why they killed this man?

The muslim dude clearly mentioned Surah 9 to support the reason why he killed the soldier.

babyosisi: Leave America alone and deal with your demons
That is a good place to start
Stop blaming everyone else for your ills
I asked for proof of your earlier claims,you had none but choose to rehash the same worn out lines about America
If indeed you are interested in curbing Muslim violence,you must focus on Islam,Muslims and it's teachings and educate yourselves on tolerance
With a mindset such as you have displayed here,you will never scratch the surface of it
If your aim here is to point fingers at America,say so unequivocally rather than hide under the guise of teaching tolerance to your youths only to sing the same old tired songs
Keep chasing your tail
America sponsored the Buhari killings if elections 2011
America sponsored the sharia killings of 2000
The killings of Jos,Bauchi,Kaduna,Kano,Gombe etc
America sponsored the Jos bombings and killings
The various Almajiri rampage that dates back to 1945 all over northern Nigeria that has killed tens of thousands
America sponsors honor killings and beheadings
America sponsors the bombing of Shias by Sunnis and vice versa
America also sent Usman Dan Fodio on his killing spree across the nation
The killing of school children and women by Muslim extremists the world over and terrorism wherever Islam is found ,even in the Island of the Philippines is sponsored by America
Why Muslims are always willing tools in the hands of America,babyosisi cannot tell

Yet Muslims troop to America and can't wait to be citizens of the same America
Wonderful!
By tomorrow another Bomb will go off in Maiduguri or damaturu and another set of Almajiri in Somalia will behead someone and you blame it on America
We hear you sir

I guess he works for the CIA and FBI? He must know something about America that we don't. I am sure it was America that motivated and sponsored Muhammed when he raided caravans as well. Yankee don suffer

maclatunji: Local rebellions based on religious beliefs. Those groups aren't more local than Boko Haram. Of course, you conveniently choose to ignore that the west created the problem in the first place.

The wind has been taken out of your sails, you can now only repeat your invalid arguments and call names.

#LOL

You are laughable mate. [size=15pt]If all the "extremist Muslims" became Monks today, would the world become a better place?[/size] The extremism predates America (whom you like to blame for the problems in the Middle East). By your logic, the US is responsible for:

1. Boko Haram
2. Ansaru
3. Osama

And perhaps every other Islamic related terrorism we have today. If another muslim BLOWS himself up tomorrow, you would blame America and say violence is not a problem in Islam.

Let me ask you, was America responsible for:

1. The raid of Al-Harkat: A Jewish village close to Medina Mohammed raided and destroyed. Did America sponsor them as well. (Reference - Life of the Messenger, by Muhammed bin Abd Al-Wahab, page 111)
2. Al-Riddah - War of the back-sliders: Muslims slaughtering themselves. Was America responsible for that?
3. The Assassination of 'Uthman ibn 'Affan: Muslims killing one another because of succession. Was America involved in this one as well?
4. The battle of Siffin: Over 15,000 muslims killing themselves where Ali bin Talib fought against Mu'awiyah Ibn Abi-Sufyan (Leader of the Umayyads). The conflict was over the succession of the Caliphate. Was America responsible for that? You are a muslim so please do some research.

There are so many conflicts between muslims killing themselves that I can't list them all. So, was America responsible for those as well or where they responsible for the raids Mohammed did as well?

sino: Did you even read what you quoted? Are you also anti-logic? Even in the recent past, brides were young, refrences where made, still you choose to ignore.
Did you just mention morality? Come on dude, even at that, you have no point cos it was acceptable, socially acceptable norm.

I don't know how this is affecting you guys, his enemies didn't object to it, and his followers didnt dispute the legitimacy of such marriage, wetin come be your own?

The position of Islam on marriage of females is clearly stated, and it is when they attain maturity.

If you are having problem with a marriage that took place over 1400 years ago, then you can travel back to the past and go dissolve the union.
Daz all!

What is the source of the reference oh, before you call me anti-logic! I responded to the "Mary was 12 statement" - WHAT IS THE REFERENCE OR SOURCE THAT MARY WAS 12?. The Hadith CONFIRMS Aisha was 6, did the Bible confirm Mary was 12.

The poster is trying to legitimize the fact that Mohammed married a 6 year old kid is the same as Joseph marrying a 12 year old girl. Clearly, you see that 6 and 12 are VERY VERY DIFFERENT. A 12 year old can baby-sit a 6 year old and their is a HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THEIR AGE. If it was socially acceptable holds no water because Mohammed is the only prophet in HISTORY that married a 6 year old kid. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, YOUR HADITH IS THERE TO CROSS REFERENCE.

Whether is is right or not is not my concern - Mohammed had enough wives (most of them quite young), it didn't speak well of a "Holy Prophet" to marry a kid whether in 7th century arabia or in 21 century Nigeria.

Let me ask you - when does a girl reach maturity, at what age?

I don't have problem with the marriage mate - If Mohammed was in my neighborhood, he would be a registered sex offender and will never be allowed near ANY child.

tbaba1234: Why would you look at the 7th century with 21st century goggles. Just a century ago, the legal marriage age in the UK was 7 years old. That is 100 years ago.

In semetic culture, when a woman starts her menses she is a woman. According to the catholic encyclopedia, Mary was 12 when she had Jesus. That was perfectly normal. Would you also blame Joseph for marrying a 12 year old.

Do you think you can compare a young girl growing in the desert to girls carrying school bags today? Besides the fact that they are bigger, do you think they had to get secondary and tertiary education? Immediately, it was time for marriage, they got married. There was not much else to look forward too. It was a normal phenomenon and not one of the enemies of the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) saw anything wrong with it. Not one raised an objection.

You now wear your 21st century goggles to examine a 7th century phenomenon. Ridiculous! The people best placed to raise objection did not.

Even in this age , 13 year olds get married, go to southern US. For many of us, we might have different guages for maturity but for the ancient jew or arab, once a girl starts her menses, she is mature. If you can investigate your own family history, you would find many 9-12 years brides in your family.I can guarantee that.

Please provide AUTHORITATIVE REFERENCES to your claims. Whether marrying a 6 year old girl is right or not, it doesn't speak well of the morality of a man that is called a "Holy Prophet"

Also, can you tell us from the Bible where Mary was 12 when she married Joseph.

991: Good point. The same reason i said it was a staged crime. At a primary stage when the crime was still murder, the british pm called it terrorism. And left france to meet with officials.

Really, a man kills another man in the name of god and you call it staged? WOW

Chukskalidon: Do the western also fund the terrorism that killed thousands of Nigerians recently?

Ask him again, he will tell you Christians are responsible.

abes

I am repeating the same questions because you refuse to answer them.
It is a fact that there is a REASON/MOTIVE for every action. Now based on the REASONS/MOTIVES of both cases, answer these questions:

Does the fact that 'Allah' was not shouted in one case make it a less severe murder case than the other where 'Allah' was shouted? (mind the victims in both cases)

Again, it is not the case of the severity of the crime. It is the MOTIVATION BEHIND THE CRIME. Why did he kill an innocent man in the name of a god?

Does the "LAW" defines crime with preference to religious or ethnic background?

Yes - there is something called HATE crime, in case you don't know. If you attack someone because of their religious of sexual orientation - it is called a HATE crime. HATE crime is different from man-slaughter in that the MOTIVATION and INTENT are different

Why do you label one a terrorist and the other not a terrorist?

I told you, they are both terrorist. Maybe if you define who a terrorist is, it will help

maclatunji: You know your problem? You were traumatised and gravitate towards things that you feel can help you cope. The western world through which you seek to validate your myopic ideas has it hands deep in every major terrorist network out there. Without them, Osama bin Laden would have been an outcast with few followers, they brought him up and now the world is in turmoil.

Before Muslims need to solve any problem you perceive, the western world needs to check itself and change especially the United States. Another case-in-point is the Benghazi scandal.

Before you go, you don't think that the fact that the larger percentage of Christians on Nairaland that post on Islam cannot do so without being vulgar is not a problem Christians should address including you?

Evidence of 7th century Arab mentality. The western world and the US needs to check itself abi? What has Benghazi scandal got to do with this thread at hand?

The software that powers this forum was created by Western minds. The Internet Protocol that allows the computer you type from before it gets to the server were all CREATED BY WESTERN MINDS. Your phone, car and nearly all the 20th-21 century invention you enjoy today was because of the free thinking minds from the West. I am sure you "formal education" is a product of western influence.

The only difference is that you throw all that away and pick up 7th century Arab mentality to have a scholastic discussion. Such Pity

maclatunji: Oh, the atomic bomb is used on your friends whom you agree with? My bad, I am sorry for making the mistake. Now, I know better. #Laughable

You are known for side-stepping and offering twisted analogies to digress from the topic at hand. I am not surprised.

You keep repeating yourself. In law - we look at the MOTIVE of why a crime was committed. We are interested in the REASON why something happened. Based on that, we know how to pass judgement.

abes: My judgments are not based on emotions

Mine is based on FACTS and EVIDENCE. There is nothing sentimental or emotional about that. At least you can't dispute that.

maclatunji: LOL. So because physicists helped develop the atomic bomb, we should abandon physics altogether. Your kind of intelligence should not be common. Thank you for your uncommon wisdom.

Physicists don't use the atomic bomb on everyone that don't agree with them. You should know more, with all your "education"