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bilms: exactly...

with different roles

Then why is a man allowed to marry 4 wives and a woman isn't in Islam?

bilms: source, women in islam

Are you saying women and men have equal rights in Islam?

Msgamble: My bro because he is not brainwashed lyk them,he analyzed issue objectively nt biased like them..as for israeli issue the guy has basic right of thought n expression..@hege u're for real bro don't mind hater cos na them owned their bad belle

My point exactly. If a man decides to share his opinion, does that make him a bad Muslim?

Mazeed23: : i edited my comment if u noticed, i just read through these threads without commenting but that guy sounds nothing like a Muslim. You say the truth right? If we start to talk about Israel and Palestine, im sure people like you would incline towards Israel.

Listen, you can't refute someone else statement by leaving the discussion and running off in another direction. You can refute the statement alone. If you bring in Israel and Palestine, others will bring up Northern Nigeria and Saudi as well.

In between, why doesn't he sound nothing like a muslim?

Mazeed23: You're not a real Muslim.

So, he is not a real muslim because he speaks the truth?

golpen

Seriously I won't engage you in any more dialogue after this. You seem like a typical NL christian, preparing his mind not to understand clear proofs. When you say someone is the father of the jewish and arab race. What makes him the first jew, also makes him the first arab!!! Saying he is the first jew a a blunder. Saying he is the father of jews is more acceptable, which also makes him father of arabs.

I explained to you why he was the first Jew, you are yet to explain how he is the first Arab. The descendants of Ishmael doesn't make Abraham an Arab. I gave you a simple analogy. Are the Yorubas, Igbos, Chinese, Japanese to claim lineage to Abraham as well?

More reason why I won't like to argue with you any longer is you asking me to show you the lineage of ishmael. It shows you don't even know your bible, because it is in the bible right before your nose, but as I have promise to help you get off the virus off your head, you may want to check this page http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2005/03-17.htm

I honestly think you have a reading comprehension problem. Here was my question - Please tell us the lineage of Ishaeml - [size=15pt]show us how he is related to Arabs[/size]. I will ask you again, please show me in the Bible where it shows the lineage of Ishmael to arabs. I never claimed Ishmael wasn't related to Abraham or wasn't his son. If you take time and read, perhaps you would be able to answer the original question

Replying you again after this would only waste my time. I'll just advice you to go think straight and get off all these you stories off your mind, then you watch how sweet your dreams shall be when you sleep with a light heart

Prof - I suggest you take the back seat and keep quiet. You think because you are a muslim then you are automatically an authority on Islam.

golpen

Seriously I won't engage you in any more dialogue after this. You seem like a typical NL christian, preparing his mind not to understand clear proofs. When you say someone is the father of the jewish and arab race. What makes him the first jew, also makes him the first arab!!! Saying he is the first jew a a blunder. Saying he is the father of jews is more acceptable, which also makes him father of arabs.

I explained to you why he was the first Jew, you are yet to explain how he is the first Arab. The descendants of Ishmael doesn't make Abraham an Arab. I gave you a simple analogy. Are the Yorubas, Igbos, Chinese, Japanese to claim lineage to Abraham as well?

More reason why I won't like to argue with you any longer is you asking me to show you the lineage of ishmael. It shows you don't even know your bible, because it is in the bible right before your nose, but as I have promise to help you get off the virus off your head, you may want to check this page http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2005/03-17.htm

I honestly think you have a reading comprehension problem. Here was my question - Please tell us the lineage of Ishaeml - [size=15pt]show us how he is related to Arabs[/size]. I will ask you again, please show me in the Bible where it shows the lineage of Ishmael to arabs. I never claimed Ishmael wasn't related to Abraham or wasn't his son. If you take time and read, perhaps you would be able to answer the original question

Replying you again after this would only waste my time. I'll just advice you to go think straight and get off all these you stories off your mind, then you watch how sweet your dreams shall be when you sleep with a light heart

Prof - I suggest you take the back seat and keep quiet. You think because you are a muslim then you are automatically an authority on Islam.

golpen

Now can you hear yourself roll in your pool of confusion. You said, "Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, known as the Patriarchs, are both the physical and spiritual ancestors of Judaism. They founded the religion now known as Judaism, and their descendants are the Jewish people. Of course, technically, it is incorrect to refer to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as Jews, because the terms "Jew" and "Judaism" were not used generally to refer to this nation until hundreds of years after their time".

Do you have reading difficulty? The "word" Jew didn't exist during their time - I was making that clear. They believed in the same God, they believed in the teaching He gave them, the ordinances etc. Stop poking your eye when you read!

Refuting your own claims by your own self?!!! I think by now you know whose brain is in the dust. I may only help you wipe the virus off your brain like you've helped me by refuting your claims here. You mention isaac and jacob as if that was the only lineage that came from Abraham. Where would you put that lineage of ismaeel?, so saying Abraham was the first jew signifies that you need a doctor. Abraham is just as paternally, spiritually and otherwise attached to the arabs and muslims as to the jews and judaism, so get your thinking straight. And like you have said, if he practised true monotheism which is found in Islam, that makes him a muslim.

In Islam, Mohammed taught you to worship the daughters on Allah, so shut up and swallow your monotheism crap! He later turned around and said Satan deceived him. I wonder how satan can deceive a "true prophet of God". Muslims take a pilgrimage to Mecca every year to kiss a black stone - if that is not idol worship then I don't know what the heck it is. Is Allah in the Kabba? Please tell us the lineage of Ishaeml - show us how he is related to Arabs

Notifying you of HIS wrath should not get you upset. It should rather have you look rationally into your conspiracy stories. I know the Qur'an, so I don't need your ignorant reference

You can be a professor of Islamic studies but you can't hide from history mate. You can know the Quran and recite it back and forth, it doesn't change the fact that your prophet was an armed robber, a murderer and a common thief. It's in your own religious texts.

MostHigh: Never said a man should not adapt.

read my post again.

Both should agree. It is a home

We are getting somewhere and you are changing your tone My point is simple - if it was a deal breaker for him; he should have told her before they got married; all this wahala would have been avoided because it is better to have a failed relationship than to have a failed marriage. From all evidence, it seems the one that is not flexible here is the dude, not the babe.

Why he has the right to ask her to stop (something he should have done when they were courting), she has given a valid and acceptable reason.

MostHigh: LWKM true...

Well luckily for me again she didn't life would have been proper boring

That being said regarding life and its ups and downs she has held her own quite well.

Let me try again...

Can you depend on her in times of.....

Is she the kind to adapt to life changes and still come out strong?

The husband in question is asking his wife to adapt to changes he feels are important and has even given her REASON

ARE COUPLES NOT SUPPOSED TO REASON TOGETHER

What other reason does he have to give

Couples should always talk and communicate, I agree. My point is simple - why didn't he communicate on this subject when they were courting? Surely, it wouldn't have escalated into a thread on NL.

Why should it be the woman that should ADAPT? Why can't he adapt? Why does he want her to stop wearing trousers? Is it a moral or religious reason? Did he make this known to her before their marriage? Those are honest questions he should answer instead of playing the "ADAPT" game.

InHim4Him: LOL. Nairalanders are very interesting. Trousers and all the other indecent ways of dressing are the only way women can express their freedom! The 21st century is a time of rewriting the books. Homosexuality is a frontburner right now because being married the old way means being weird. History will continue to repeat itself. AUTODESTRUCT on my mind.

How does wearing trousers translate into indecency and homosexuality? Did you read the initial post? I suggest you read it, come back and re-post

MostHigh: My father asked me IS SHE DEPENDABLE IS SHE ADAPTABLE TO CHANGE?

luckily FOR ME SHE IS.

You mean you married a wife that came with a MANUAL?

MostHigh: Pity,favour??

You should have remained as a concubine and allow a virtuous woman to occupy the home.

One day na one day monkey go go market e no go return

Mumuism is it's highest order. So a virtuous woman is one that doesn't wear trousers?

MostHigh: The must always be a captain on the ship

Not all men can endure a rocking boat for too long

why did she have to marry?

She should have chosen to be his concubine instead and practice her DEMOCRAZY in the guest house AND NOT THE HOME

He asked her to marry him; she didn't. He SAW her wearing trouser, why didn't he object then? He should have mentioned it during courting if it was a big deal for him and not tell the woman to stop wearing trousers after marriage.

If he wanted a concubine that didn't wear trouser, he should have saved his bride-price and left her alone. It's pretense to say the least.

kliq: lol I tire ooo

Will he die if he stopped asking her to stop wearing it?

MostHigh: Is he not her Lord?

Is he not her glory?

Then why should she refuse him its not as if he is asking her to commit a crime.

Most women want a covering in a husband but then again they sometimes resist his authority over them.

She cant eat cake and have it.

Nope, he is not her Lord. She is not a slave nor a property. She is his wife and he should treat her with respect. Wearing trouser is not a crime, so he should take a chill pill and relax.

This is not a matter of authority, it is a matter of expectations. If he wants someone or something to always do what he says - He should get a robot and not a wife.

She is a wise woman to ask him why he didn't mention it when they were courting.

Acidosis: Will she die if she stops this trouser stuffs? SHE be MAN?

Where did you get the notion that trousers are for men only? The question you should be asking is - is it a deal breaker if she wears trouser? If it is a deal breaker for him and he insist she wears trouser - then he should ask her for a divorce.

When he marries next, he should tell his future wife to be that she MUST not wear trouser.

tbaba1234: USSR did it for decades, suppressing religion. When they fell, the muslims reclaimed their heritage. Look at young kazaks and other ex soviets coming back to practising the deen, it is so beautiful.

The Mongols did it, they destroyed the seat of the Islamic Caliphate, baghdad. Within a century, the mongols were muslims and were living as muslims.

They planned but Allah also planned; Allah is the Best of Planners. Surah(3:54)

Oga - stop twisting history as if it is a divine call in favor of Islam. America invaded Iraq (the once so called most powerful military in the Middle East); captured Saddam; handed him over to his own people and his own people hanged him. America turned over Iraq to Iragis - did Allah plan this?

Israel made a show of most Arab nations by capturing most of Egypt, the golan heights in Syria and fought off an Arab (muslim) attack - Did Allah plan this as well? Muslims lay claim to present day Israel as their land, why hasn't Allah given it to them? Isn't He the best of planners?

golpen

I've learnt not to keep arguing with NL christians because what I come to discover their inability to think straight. Listen to yourself calling Abraham the first jew, when you know quite alright that the Arab race was also from him. Won't you call him the first arab? Moses, Jesus, and all other prophets of Allah were muslims. There has been the concept of Islam (total submission to the will of ALLAH) right from Adam and the one message of ALLAH's monotheism, requesting mankind to belive in HIM has been the only message common to them all. And any body who adheres to the message is a MUSLIM.

Mr Man, try not to leave your brain in the dust-pin when it relates to your religion. I said he was the first Jew and not the first Israelite. Abraham was considered the first Jew in that he was the founder of monotheism and the first patriarch of Judaism. Abraham begets Isaac, in turn Jacob, in turn Joseph and the twelve tribes, this brings us directly to the people of Israel and the covenant at Sinai.

By the Arab race coming from Abraham doesn't mean he was Arab (use your Brain Mr Man). The Bible claim he is the father of many nations because of his belief and faith he had in God not because of his his cultural background. By your explanation, he must have been Yoruba, Igbo, Native American or even Chinese. I am talking about his faith not his lineage.

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, known as the Patriarchs, are both the physical and spiritual ancestors of Judaism. They founded the religion now known as Judaism, and their descendants are the Jewish people. Of course, technically, it is incorrect to refer to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as Jews, because the terms "Jew" and "Judaism" were not used generally to refer to this nation until hundreds of years after their time

And I don't understand where you get all your conspiracy stories from. That is the wrath of ALLAH you call upon yourselves if you don't desist. Bring out your references on how and whem Muhammad (s a w) robbed and killed people unjustly

Are you saying Mohammed wasn't a robber? Or a thief? Allah's wrath affects those who believe in him Bros, I don't . Your Quran and Hadith confirms the battles and raids Mohammed under-took. If you want me to show you, please ask.

vedaxcool: According to christians Jesus would be billions of times more violent than any know person in religion history.
The above was posted in the religion section, not a single rebuttal, similar, the issue of Prophet Muhammad, the most successful religious personality in history according to encyclopaedia Britannica, being a violent person has long been dismissed by sane individuals as being nothing more of the making hallow noises that mimics the lies of evangelism by falsehood! Jesus Christ according to Christians would come back to earth to wage war on those who reject him, and to use the words of knowledgeable Christians, be exceedingly violent E.O.D

So Jesus WOULD BE is a case to argue that your prophet robbed and killed people? You could be or would be a potential father but if you don't have a child - you are not.

Please refute other claims independently, you don't need Jesus WOULD BEEING to defend your prophet killing spree. The Quran and Mohammed past should be able to stand on it's own without involving the Bible that you guys are so fondly call "Corrupt".

tpacalipse: Should a country be blamed for trying to disallow terrorism within its borders?

Ask again oh!

Abraham was not a jew. The two nations; jews from isaac and arabs from ishmael originated from him, so there were no jews until the descents of isaac. However, moses and Jesus were muslim prophets sent to the jewish tribe to guide them from idol worship to the path of ALLAH.

Abraham was the first Jew. How can Moses and Jesus be muslims when during their life-time there was no religion called Islam?

As to your question if Muhammad (s a w) was a peaceful man, you may question mahatma ghandi and michael h hart and listen to their answers. Yes he lived with the arabs peacefully. He was fond of organising peace treaties with them, which they always flop off. Wars were only fought when it was the only option

Mohammed was also fond of robbing caravans and killing people. That is not entirely peaceful is it? He personally was involved in 26 battles. Compare his life with that Jesus Christ. Is there a contrast?

oglipaul: unlike other scripture which has so many contradictions and descrepancirs,error,absurdity,alhamdullilah.the quran is free from errors etc.the most purest and preserved book on earth is the quran

So if I am to find ONE proof that there is error in it, what then?

Nezan

The main tenets of Islam can be very appealing,
   a. A call to believe in one God, the God of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus
   b. A call to repentance and submission to the will of God
   c. A call to holy living, involving diligent prayer, fasting,
      charity, and pilgrimage

Abraham, Moses and Jesus were all Jews - so how can they be muslims?

Yet the early history of Islam and recent events have many people wondering,
   a. Is Islam a religion of peace?
   b. Does Islam allow people to live together in harmony regardless of
      race, class or beliefs?

The question should be - was Mohammed a peaceful man? Did he co-exist with others in Arabia peacefully, did his followers fight after his death?

Most Muslims say they are for living together in peace and harmony,
   a. Especially those living in countries where Muslims are in the
      minority
   b. Yet one might ask, "Is this because of Islam, or in spite of
      Islam?"
   c. Would there be calls for peace and tolerance if Muslims were the
      majority?

Good questions, let us give our muslim brothers/sisters chance to answer these questions

miftaudeen: are you closing eye when you are reading the post? don't you suratu takweer there.

Mr Man, when you make claims - learn to back them up. Your Suratu Takweer; what scientific concept does it back up? For example:

1. The Quran said Adam was 90 feet tall! Can you prove this to be true outside the Quran?
2. The Quran said the earth is flat! How can you defend this?
3. The Quran said a fly carries disease in one wing and the cure for the same disease in another. Can you prove this?

Thanks

vedaxcool: Today as we fast unhindered, unrestricted, we should remember that they are millions of our brothers and sisters around the world who are prevented from fasting by repressive regimes etc. We should remember to put them in prayer, and also be grateful to Allah that we enjoy what others can only hope to have, may Allah bring an end to this injustice and oppression all over the world . . . Ramadan Kareem.

Happy Ramadan to you mate. Please remember to put Christians that are in Northern Nigerian, pakiskan, palestine, Syria and many other places that are not given the same religious freedoms you enjoy. Please pray that "some muslims" shouldn't bomb or burn their places of worship. Enjoy your Ramadan

miftaudeen: The black holes

Certainly, Scientists discovered a giant black hole at the center of our galaxy which is 4 million times double the sun, Qur’an had referred to these creatures,…

Black holes are terrifying cosmic phenomenon and scientists are trying to discover its secrets and they found that these holes are in our galaxy and they are heavy four million times than the sun!

A group of germen scientists from Max Planck Society had found strong evidence that these holes are existed in our galaxy (Milky Way) and they accurately measured the space between earth and the center of the galaxy.

Before, it was just a kind of estimation because of the billions of stars but now it is a clear reality with no doubt.

For 16 years those scientists performed many studies on 28 stars around the center of Milky Way and by studying the movement of these starts they said that they became able to determine the characteristics of the substance that these stars are moving around.

Professor Reinhard Gentzl head of the research team said “our study offered a strong evidence on the existence of the giant black holes ”



Astronomers accurately measured the space between earth and the center of the galaxy as they found it 27000 light years and they used infrared rays to penetrate the dust clouds

Did Quran pointed to these Black Holes?

Scientists say that these super-massive black holes are dead stars but they are very heavy within very narrow space, they are the cemetery of the stars, swallow, sweep everything coming close to it even light and they are swimming in the space.

As they have very enormous gravity they attract even light and do not reflect it and do not allow any light to leave, so, they are invisible.

Because of the greatness of these creatures, they are one of the very great cosmic phenomena.

Allah, Almighty swears by it (To show how great they are) and by their distinctive characteristics:

(Invisible, swims in the space, sweeps and swallows anything close to it even light).

Quran summed up these attributes in only three words. He almighty says:

“So, verily I swear of that invisibles * that running and sweep” At-Takweer (verses 15,16)

Since Allah, The Almighty swears by these frightful holes, it is a must that these should be discovered by human one day to be evidence of the sincerity of the Quran.

And this discovery must be on the hand of unbelievers to show them a proof for the sincerity of the Quran and to be as an argument on them on the Day of Resurrection.

And of course the appeal is addressed to non-Muslims, because Muslims believe in all that came in the Quran without physical evidence on this.

This means that the Quran text includes three clear miracles:

1. had preceded the Non- Muslims scientists in talking about the black holes phenomenon.

2. Pointed to an implication that these holes exist and will be discovered, as everything that Allah swears by it is necessary to be seen whether by human in this world or in the Hereafter to be a proof on the sincerity of the Quran.

3 - There is an implication that who will discover these holes are non-Muslim, and this is what actually happened, as the Scientists who discovered these holes are non-Muslims, and Allah talked to them as an answer to his swear:

“Verily this is the word of a most honorable Messenger” (At-Takweer-verse19)

Our question for those who denies these miracles: Do black holes have been described with such accuracy, accidentally? Or is there a scientific miracle in the Quran?

With all your paragraphs, you forgot to quote one Quranic text to back it up .

Nairatalks: The issue is very simple-

People like Tbaba and other islamic leaders/govt will prefer to preach more religion (which they think they are an authority on) rather than focus on solutions that work.

Imagine Tbaba claiming that the solution is more Islam. Was that the solution that gave the West technological advancement? More islam? Tbaba is living in some past glory of the Arab golden age.


More religion is not the answer. More science, more sensible laws, more education and more sensible investments are the key to catching up with the west. I am a religious person myself but religion is not everything. God is! And I believe God is in each and every hardworking man who wants to progess in th world

Are you a muslim?

pointblank 321: Thanks for your observations.

Although RoyPCain is a gentleman who doesn't believe in violence unlike most muslims, his only problem is RIGMAROLE and going in circles as you have rightly observed.

I also noticed he doesn't allow any thread or post untouched whether he has an idea or not. He just would say something off-point.

A gentleman is honest to say the least. I support him for his stand against violence

LagosShia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeDm2PrNV1I

Disclaimer: the shariah can be interpretation of the Quran and hadith in certain respects/issues.scholars are faalible and can make mistakes in interpretation and applying laws.while the sharia is not perfect in the absence of a prophet or an infallible imam,the Quran is perfect to every muslim.I am making this point clear in reference to a particular statement in the above video.

Smart kid

pointblank 321: @ RoyPCain

I would say I'm not disappointed in you. It is usual of you to tell irrelevant stories. It would have been better you didn't respond to a thread you could not continue to its conlusion.

You failed to answer my question. 'What is the difference between the allah AbduAllah was worshiping as an idol and the allah introduced by his son, Muhammad?'

To me, there is no difference. It is the continuation. There is no difference in the mode of worship of AbduAllah's allah as a pagan. He worshiped allah in Kaaba the way muslims do today.

I want to leave you with this: You worship in the same way and in the same place, doing all they were doing in the pre-islamic period. Nothing has changed except the name islam. Idol and God cannot be worshiped the same way.

You are dealing with a semi literate old man that can't compose a correct paragraph. He also can't see past his Quran. The question you asked him, he will never answer it but go around in circles and circles. I asked him the following and he never responded:

1. Can he prove outside the Quran how Adam was 90 feet tall? He response was I can't disprove it so it is right . I responded and told him that all large animals have fossils and skeletal structures that we can see today, the dinosaur, the whales, the mammoth and elephant. If indeed Adam was 90 feet tall, we would have some fossil evidence. He responded by saying the Bible said in those days there were giants. I reminded him that he can't quote the Bible because he doesn't believe in it and it is "corrupted" as muslim claimed. He later said, Eve, Cain and Abel were 90 feet tall as well . I told him we are all product and off-spring of Adam, and the tallest living human isn't more than 12 feet tall - HE IS YET TO RESPOND

2. The Quran claimed the earth was flat === The went around in circles again

The guy is a laughing stock. He said his son went to Georgia Tech; I told him I schooled at Georgia Tech as well and what was his son's name - he hasn't responded

Nairatalks: Just pitiful. Here I was thinking that you were really great in islamic history and knowledge.

All I see in this comment is someone who told an untruth and is scrambling to continue the lie. Your 8,000 femalse muslim scholars is an unverifiable claim. Please, stop the falsehood

. Just passing by and learning