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7842I: I have answered you this question and you still keep asking again, Achebe, through his books and stance on some national issues developed the minds of millions of Africans, and made me propud when he rejected (with good reasons) OBJs national awards. Achebe stands too tall.

ok how has this improve the life of any average man ?

Efikman: And what positive impact did Awolowo make in Nigeria (not yorubaland ohhh)

This is not about Awolowo but if you must know. That NTA channel which is the first television station in Africa before likes of France had one started as WNTV from Awolowo.

Nigeria for many years had only NTA as the best channel station in Africa. That is an achievement to the life of any AVERAGE Nigerian.

Also since he gave free education to his Yoruba people, their are thousands of Ijaws and Igbos that benefited from it. The first school he built was in Urhoboland.

[quote author=Mr. Globe]his achievements for Nigeria as a politicians or private citizen? what is your own achievement for Nigeria since Achebe is also a member of the public like you? Are you also worried you are not a true Yoruba according to awo since you are not ijebu?[/quote]I am a private citizen and not know like Achebe because I know if I die, I might not get the honour Achebe is commanding out of ignorance.

If Achebe is to be respected, then we all should see his impact or am I talking out of ignorance here ?







The fundamental fact has not be stated here. The question has not be answered by the so called educated intelligent people

Niggmatic: Well, you do not need the 'Igbo bigot' to tell you his achievements. Just a click on any international media web site will do the magic. Meanwhile, i hope some folks are not down with heart attack on this man greatness.

You see, this is one of the reasons I dislike discussing with the so called educated Nigerians. Majority or illiterates IMO, google or the internet had any answer, would I be asking the question.

No one in the world has any information on Achebe's impact to the average Nigerian and as such, I am asking those defending his honour to state it clearly without any insult or sarcasm, Achebe's impact to the average Nigerian or Igbo man on the street.

I loved the man and respect him even till this point because of his achievement but it does not erase the question.

[quote author=Mr. Globe]Nobel prize is a price awarded by white racist folks. Nobel lost its value when they denied Achebe the award. Nobel or none Achebe has the highest ever selling literary work in Africa and has been crowned the father of African literature . That's what we call achievement not some award by some fat old racist folks in Norway.[/quote]You would not be saying this if Achebe had won it

Why are you people so hypocritical ?

Moreover if Achebe knew that, why didn't asked them to drop out of the race last year ?

Billyonaire: The impact is simple. He told the truth about Awolowo's betrayal, Ojukwu's sacrifice and why we are where we are. Awolowo in his quest to rule Nigeria for 'even one day' went ahead to plan a coupe' in our neigbouring country to overthrow the Military Government and was also Betrayed by Jakande, just as he betrayed Ojukwu, his conversations were recorded and presented to the military junta, he was instructed to 'take the path of honor', He committed Suicide. This is truth and its bitter.

[size=13pt]You see what I mean, you mentioned all these Awolowo did. NOW WAS ACHEBE THERE TO COMFIRM THIS FROM USA OR BAIFRA ??[/size]

Lets be realistic here and not swallow what every bigot throw at the table

IN fact that aside, what was his impact on the average Nigerian

[quote author=Mr. Globe]Are you from Ijebu like Awolpwo? Only Ijebus are true Yoruba according to awo (frog)[/quote]No I am a true born Lagosian from the royal family. I am half Awori(father) half Egun (mother).

I am not being a tribalist here, teach me and I would understand. I do not intend to stand on my point if I am ignorant here.

Tell me the positive impact Achebe achieve in the life of an average Nigerian. Give me good sensible achievements and I would drop this argument.

Lets be realistic here and not think using sentiment and petty tribalism. Soyinka is not the discussion here. The question is simple and it is not about Achebe's book/s

What did Achebe achieve for others before passing on ? I mean, what positive impact did he make ?

[quote author=tpia@]Olufunmibi


The controversy was present long before achebe wrote his book, and the animosity would still be present even if he hadnt written it.

People are just walking round on eggshells these days, looking for any reason to blame others for the frustration they feel, thus they just latch on to anything as an excuse to vent their tension.[/quote]And is the controversy still strong as what Achebe has done now ? How many writers in history since the first AD have written book to paint themselves as the best while others are antagonist to their progress ?

[quote author=tpia@]How many people have actually read the book?[/quote]A lot including me. Any problem ?

thelastPope: You know what is really funny?

1. Hausa/Fulani will never marry Yoruba

2. Igbo and Yorubas are inter-marrying at a crazy rate

3. Hausa/Fulani always insult Yorubas.

4. You cannot find an Igbo leader insult Yorubas

5. But Yorubas will always allign with the Hausa/Fulani in government

6. And Igbos will always allign with Hausa/Fulanis in business


Theres something really wrong here!

Yes very funny indeed because you people know how to lie a lot

1. Fulani and Yoruba marriages are very high

2. Yes it is craze, and so ?

3. Hausa/Fulani alway insult yorubas and Igbos don't ? Should we go back to Achebe's book ?

4. Igbo leader such as Achebe, Nnamdi and co have never insult the ethnic group ?

5. Big fat lie, infact the only antagonist of Hausa/fulani rule are the yorubas remember that. Ever since the first republic to this present date.

6. Business yes which is good, how does that relate to yorubas ?

solomon111: Awolowo your god, would bow before Achebe if he were alive today.
Stop this acts of blasphemy.

Akshow: Dont forget that the south westerners produced the only Nobel prize winner. A feat achebe will never achieve even in his grave.

Although he tried oh !!!

all4naija: No! Bluetooth,please! There are others like Things Fall Apart, etc. There are facts Things Fall Apart was translated into several languages and sold very well around the world.

Give it up, man! [size=18pt]No human being is perfect[/size]!

True, no one is perfect

Akshow: Dont forget that the south westerners produced the only Nobel prize winner. A feat achebe will never achieve even in his grave.

again I smell disintegration soon

At least you are made your impart to the world whether positive or negative. Indeed RIP

Eko Ile: chimanma is too tribal just like ashebe so we know her future just like ashebe = No Nobel. All her writings just like ashebe are all tribal and biafran so whose gonna take her seriously.?

GBBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quote author=me_for_you]Yorubas, if not for a certain desola and her complimentary comments and the responses that I saw, I swear I would have told you all my mind since morning.
Thanks desola. For me I know how to abuse and how to praise. For now I hold my peace. Achebe, ekwensi, ola rotimi and soyinka are my favourites, with ola rotimi being the toppest.

Achebe wrote his memoir not your grand father's own[/quote]speak your mind MR. I am waiting

[quote author=Itoroetti ]he was truly d greatest[/quote]greatest what ? Tribalist or what ? because he was not the greatest, nigerian, igboman, writer, warrior etc so greatest what ?

Eko Ile: na insult and bad luck for atiku to shower anybody with praise. nuff said

true

RIP Achebe.

OkparaIgbo: I won't join you in your distasteful stupendouss and iidiotic sense of humour when we are talking of Innocent men, women and children who have died because of the cowarrdic action of your people. Let Chukwu grant me 20 young Igbo men who are ready to die for the liberation of Ndi-Igbo from this entity called nigeria once and for all and then you can read about the men in the History books if you live to..

so you are ezeuche.

Dee60: The president once said that the FG knows them. Who have they tried please?

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confusion247: Both of you should have a rethink before your deluded celebrations. If what you have as your inheritance is a burnt down market, you are empty. Ask your ancestors what did they achieve from the abandoned property take over? Since after that, are you people better than the GREAT IGBOS? This is my advice for both of you, be hardworking and industrious like every average IGBO man.

My ancestor never took anything from anybody and we never experienced any abandon property in Lagos. Don't forget we indigenous Lagosians are yorubas and as such, we are not driven by greed or lust for any vanity but driven by equality and accountability.

We are hardworking and industrious and that explains why every single major company in Nigeria has their HQ in the west apart from Lagos inculding nestle, PZ, P and G, etc are all in Ogun state. More banks and companies are being formed daily by Yorubas and that is why out of envy some of you think Yorubas dominates the white collar job market.

If that is not resourcefulness and hardwork through humility and level plan ground, then what is ?

otokx: [size=18pt]we will not sell our inheritance, if they can't rent then they should move on.[/size]

Gbammmmmmmmmm God bless you man !!!

The fact still remain that Indigenes of an area would always want more rights than invaders or aliens as they were never consulted when this Nigerian was formed.

In Lagos state have a serious issue right now

asha 80: i do not see how delta state factors in this.

I don't want to state it here and you know the reason.

krendo: 42. (1) A citizen of Nigeria of a particular community, ethnic group, place of origin, sex, religion or political opinion shall not, by reason only that he is such a person:-

(a) be subjected either expressly by, or in the practical application of, any law in force in Nigeria or any executive or administrative action of the government, to disabilities or restrictions to which citizens of Nigeria of other communities, ethnic groups, places of origin, sex, religions or political opinions are not made subject; or

(b) be accorded either expressly by, or in the practical application of, any law in force in Nigeria or any such executive or administrative action, any privilege or advantage that is not accorded to citizens of Nigeria of other communities, ethnic groups, places of origin, sex, religions or political opinions.

(2) No citizen of Nigeria shall be subjected to any disability or deprivation merely by reason of the circumstances of his birth.

(3) Nothing in subsection (1) of this section shall invalidate any law by reason only that the law imposes restrictions with respect to the appointment of any person to any office under the State or as a member of the armed forces of the Federation or member of the Nigeria Police Forces or to an office in the service of a body, corporate established directly by any law in force in Nigeria.

43. Subject to the provisions of this Constitution, every citizen of Nigeria shall have the right to acquire and own immovable property anywhere in Nigeria.

44. (1) No moveable property or any interest in an immovable property shall be taken possession of compulsorily and no right over or interest in any such property shall be acquired compulsorily in any part of Nigeria except in the manner and for the purposes prescribed by a law that, among other things -

(a) requires the prompt payment of compensation therefore and

(b) gives to any person claiming such compensation a right of access for the determination of his interest in the property and the amount of compensation to a court of law or tribunal or body having jurisdiction in that part of Nigeria.

http://www.nigeria-law.org/ConstitutionOfTheFederalRepublicOfNigeria.htm

I am fully aware of the constitution but is an average uneducated Nigerian aware ? NO!

Nigeria itself is a very very funny country as it is frustrating. No ethnic Nation was consulted to form this country apart from the Hausa, Yoruba and Igbos.

Hausa and Yoruba said NO as it is clear that 3 captains can't rule a ship.

You see, we have indigenes in every society an just because we have a government does not mean we do not have traditional rulers and indigenes of the society. Indigenes that never knew who Igbo yoruba or hausas are expected to just allow "aliens" to come and take over their heritage (land).

This is the same problem we have in plateau, lagos, rivers, abuja and delta state.

krendo: It has been 43years now since the civil war ended, the declaration has been that as Nigerians we are all one people and are allowed to live as free people in any part of Nigeria. But it seems to me that the Local Government policies time and time again in Port Harcourt has the spectre of post civil war Nigeria written all over it. A situation where people will own shops and if sometimes an accident like fire happens in the market(there are even suspisions that these fires are the ochestrations of clandestine people) the Government then sees it as an opportunity to deny traders of their shops and re-allocate the shops to new people who were never trading in the market is a disgrace and unacceptable. As I type this scenario is currently playing out at New Layout Ultra Modern Market Borikiri, Port Harcourt, River State.

Often the decision on who gets what is determined by the language you speak or the tribe you come from. Every so often it turns out that the Igbos who have laboured for years paying their dues to council are shifted to one corner, and then the shops are handed on a platter of gold to Okirikans or Kalabari people who were never in the market before the fire and who most times have no interest in trade. What will then happen is these new owners will eventually sell these shops back to Igbos and then not too long in future the market goes up in flames again, and get knocked down and then people will go through another re-allocation process and those who lived through the mis-fortune of having their shops and goods burnt, who will not have any compensation from the Government will then suffer the double tragedy of even loosing the shops where they earned their livelihood.
This cycle of institutional fraud by Port Harcourt Local Government Council must stop. It is time for the Mayor of Port Harcourt City; Chimbiko Akorolo and the Governor of River State Chibuike Amaechi to rise up against this misguided tribalism and stand up for what is right.

The embarrassing thing is some people in River State like the Ikwerres and Etches speak Igbo too and dress like Igbos . . . albeit with slight difference. But the rate at which they are willing to discriminate against Igbos from the East is shocking.

I also call on all South East Governors to speak out always in defence of the rights of Igbos wherever they are are. These Igbos did not conquer anyone to own these shop. These are ordinary traders who through hard work in the face of difficulties bought these shops with their own money. The cycle of fraud going on in Port Harcourt with re-allocation of these shops needs to be challenged for the sake of posterity!!!

It is time to stop treating the Igbos as immigrants in any part of Nigeria, No Nigerian is an immigrant in any part of Nigeria. That at least is the position of the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.


43years after the war it seems to me that Nigerians make noise about unity when it suits them and turn around to engage in heart breaking marginalization and discrimination at free will.

@ OP, I don't believe you and I have a good reason to say so

When the same issue of Ladipo market ( a market that is Igbo dominated in Lagos) was closed, the Igbos on the internet in a twisted and cunny way made it like they were being persecuted by Lagos state. Now Rivers state has done a similar scenario, you now claim them to be ethnocentric.


BUT

If indeed those shops were being given back to the locals then so be it (although I disagree with the locals in displaying open tribalism). I have told many people including Hausas and co to know that if they do not BUY properties in their own land but outside, then it is a leased property and would be taken back by the locals sooner or later. That is the HONEST TRUTH. So it really should not sound as a shocker

nigeria is just a very wicked country.

50 bodies were found in a river and no investigations are being carried out. I mean it is as if it is normal. In sane countries, the whole country would be in fear and would defiantly demand for accountability but in Nigeria, the FG continues with their work, everyone continues like nothing happened.

I think it was Odumchi that wrote a letter to the governor last year or so, He should do that again addressing the fact that Nigerians are very uncomfortable with the recent bodies found in the river.