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otokx:
please use the alternative routes if you cannot pay

gbamm
abi !!!! shekena. that is all


there is no point in going to and fro with this argument of fashola stealing (although fashola is doing it like a favour forgetting that it is the job of his government to provide good roads for the people).

amor4ce:
Isn't it this type of reasoning that was used in promoting Nazi ideology and the racism of the white supremacists? Do you know the meaning of the word narcissism?

LOL she is just airing here views out just like others.

Although I am waiting for her to reply to my comment (if she feels like)

mbatuku2:
How can you be omo oduduwa when he came to meet you? Your people are really funny and confused at times.

I don't think Oduduwa came from middle east as some historians would say.

the confusion started from people finding similarity between yoruba and arabic.

lagcity:
Nope. There's only one Ooni in Yorubaland. Others are Obas.

Ooni sabe of sabe

Ooni Popo of Popo

Ooni ketu of Ketu

etc nko ? I guess Oba is used by both Bini and yorubas then

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=828430.msg9799397#msg9799397 date=1324327498]Funny chap. What Igbo land? The igbo land that is in northern Osun state.[/quote]If there is an Igbo dialect north of Osun, then tell us. It would be interesting to know about them.

Olukumi Ukunzu, Ugbodu and Uberubu delta state

Bawo ni ? - how are you

ta ni yen - who is that

lagcity:
Shango go kill u for dis statement. Olorun Ma je! for where?

shango would not kill anyone.

Why can't yorubas have igbo blood ?

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=828430.msg9799340#msg9799340 date=1324326959]You are funny. Win ondo call themselves olukumi? Who told you that that name was not given to them? lol. They are also called oluku mu. Since you now know how to speak Igbo tell me what that means?

They are Igbos,period. They are in Igboland as well. Thank you.

And yes, the Obi never said he is yoruba.[/quote]How are they in Igboland ?

In fact why am I even posting to an angry bigot

If they change the "i" to "a" making it Oba, what are you going to do about it ? Kill the Olukumis ?

Kingship title does not matter, Oba is or less a bini word, Yoruba use mainly Ooni so clam down

Andre Uweh:
Documentation aside, the people of Opobo has maintained cultural and lineage relationship with the people of Amaigbo for over 120 years now. I learnt that until recently, the people of Amaigbo-Jaja's original home in Orlu division do not intermarry with the people of Opobo because they are same.
Delegates from Opobo are always present whenever an Eze is crowned in Amaigbo.

Good to know.

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=828430.msg9799273#msg9799273 date=1324326223]Stop trying to make sense out of nonsense. Your write up is rubbish.

About your jaja oo opobo example, haha! The same goes for yorubas. How do you know you are not all Igbos unless there is documentation handed to you by the hospital? this question is for the once not born in the bush.[/quote]Write up is rubbish because someone said yoruba community in delta state ?

What a shame.

mbatuku2:
What do you know about Nri Igbos? I'm sure you are not aware of the westward movement of the proto-Igbo groups during their expansion in the first millenium. Anyway, you are just as clueless as ever. I dont know why a half-wit turns himself into an expert in Igbo affairs.

so Igbos moved westward. Point taken.

Andre Uweh:
At the moment, the Obi and Ugbodu people are Igbo.
The progenitor of the Yorubas-Oduduwa came from the middle east, but today Yorubas are not Arabs. Isn't it?.
@Ah Harem.

Nwanne Andre, you are the one talking like this. Of course I am not trying to claim. This Might be the missing connection between the yoruba and igbo.

About Oduduwa migrating from the middle east, That is bullshiiiit. Oduduwa probably came from somewhere propbable a neighbouring kingdom not the middle-east.

cantell:
Ara ga agba ndi ara! Bye bye ke? No be you say you be Oga? Why you dey run?
May thunder strike your silly ngbatic arse!
You go around stirring up trouble all over the forum and when you're finally faced with one, you run away like a born coward you are.
Let me catch you again making a fooolish comment here.

nwannem, take it easy on her

NRI PRIEST:
I cant wait to experience the birth of my first child! I will hold the baby up and give hiim/her a heavenly Igbo name.

Chineke dim ma

o bu site namara Chukwu

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=828430.msg9799183#msg9799183 date=1324325333]Look at how many of your men many of your men marry our women. How many of our men marry your women? Go figure! Not to talk of the whole migration thing.[/quote]since you know that, don't you think that if you hate a yoruba person, don't you think you are only hating ur half brother ?

How would you know his mother is not igbo or father igbo ?

We can extend this to the olden days when cultures were not defined yet

Take a look at Jaja of Opobo, if not for documentation, would you know he was igbo in an ijaw settlement ?

mbatuku2:
Instead of picking up a book, they just like dabbling into what they dont know.

Igbo origins are very complex( I'm still studying it(even tho I'm igbo myself).

Igbo origin is not complex unless you dont know what you are talking about

there are the ones that migrated from the west likely bini to form settlements in Onitsha, asaba and co

there are others that migrated from yoruba land to form settlement in ugbodu and co

Others like NRI are the anambra aka Oka people nnewi etc

while others like the Arochukwu had there own kingdom formed from the selling of slaves

the Ngwas have been there always.

The real defination is that not all Igbos migrated from the same source thus they don't have the same langauge

thus we can define Igbo as a collection of groups with SIMILAR language same with any other group such as the yorubas and ijaws

If we go to asaba and parts of anambra, there are igala there etc.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=828430.msg9799147#msg9799147 date=1324324888]When you say 'no ethnic groupis pure", can you clarify how you reached this conclusion.  How many percent of Yorubas have Igbo roots and through what channell?[/quote]There is not pure ethnic group in the sense that there have been mixing ever since history began.

how can you use DNA to find a PURE yoruba person and to what reference would that be ?

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=828430.msg9799146#msg9799146 date=1324324878]Explain. Let me find out you think you know abt Ahagba people. Lets here it!

Can't you get it through your head? We are not the same. We want no unity with you people. How many times must we make ourselves clear?[/quote]dude shut the F up, and calm the fu.ccck down

who said he is not Igbo. They are igbos as you chose to call them so don't get headache for nothing

read what he said so you can sleep well tonight

!You know when you have been away from your roots for an extended period what you begin to find is that assimilation of culture begins to take place. In sociology, we call it acculturation. “We began to acculturate and over time we had adopted largely the way of life of our neighbours."

That is the whole point of the thread :- acculturation.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=828430.msg9799041#msg9799041 date=1324323961]Abagworo,me chionu!! You are looking for my trouble, eh? Which Yoruba people have Igbo roots? I go throw this keyboard up ya a_s_s! [/quote]Maybe that is the case as no ethnic group is pure.

But can they accept that many Igbos have yoruba roots without all hell letting loose ?

Andre Uweh:
@Alh Harem, Onitshas migrating from the west does not mean that they came from Yorubaland. According to the current Obi of Onitsha, Oitsha people have never been anything else but Igbo. They were Igbo in the east of the Niger then moved across the river for farming and other economic activities but later came back to Igboland.

thanks for ur calm response.

I would like to add that I NEVER SAID ONITSHA PEOPLE CAME FROM YORUBALAND. pls andre don't misquote me

Now it is likely that Onitsha people migrated from Bini. If so then there MUST have been some cultural mixing between them and the BINI/Yoruba.

Right or wrong ?

We all know this

even the present Oba elegushi was imposed by tinubu

Now fashola has allowed himself to be used by tinubu. WHAT A SHAME !!!!!

How great men fall

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=828430.msg9798874#msg9798874 date=1324321849]Igbo come from yoruba? You are more than funny. We have artifacts predating anything in your land.Igala have the yorubas migrating from the East. Igala(the people some of you try to claim) have an oral tradition/belief that they came from the Igbo Country them as they traveled westward became Igala the people who kept going western became the yorubas.

Idoma,Igala,Edoid languages share words with Igbos ans yorubas as well. Does that mean they are yoruba too? Get off your high horses.

Just because a few Igbos have identity problems you think u can just come in for d kill. Aint goin happen. All know what a lot of our people(Igbos) resorted to as far as identity is concerned because of the war.

The people that you talk about migrated from west migrated from present day Delta state. Igbos were there even before those igbos btw.

There is nothing like unity,ok?[/quote]duddeee it like you came here to war with me

Whatever the reason, we came from each other right and there is not point trying to distort history by say every other person came from Igbos

We need to be critical here. I am sure there was a point Yorubas migrated east and Igbos migrated westwards thus we cannot be saying only yorubas came from Igbos

Also asaba history DID NOT PUT IGBOS were there from history, get your facts right

Unity or not, I am not targeting like of u, I am looking for SANE minds to see cultural mixing in present day Nigeria.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=828430.msg9798244#msg9798244 date=1324314903]Is this the same thread as before or another one.

Do we really need to rehash these things over and over again.

The olukumi people are known in their are- its just nairaland people who are just finding out about them.

E don do abeg. The issue now is how can every area in nigeria become developed.[/quote]Nigeria development is for Political section

This is cultural, thus people learn and be come more aware of the cultural diversity around them instead of being ignorant

moreover this might be the missing link between the yorubas and the igbos.

mbatuku2:
You keep dabbling into what you know little of. I have asked you what is the essence of this second thread when you have an earlier same article still trending? Why not continue on the first one you posted.

Little I know of ? Please you tell me if you are more knowledgeable than me and share it with me

this is a different topic entirely

the first was presence of Olukumis in delta

this is presense of yorubas in delta.

Mobinga:
LMFAO.  This nigga said "Girls are on my stick like my name is harry potter"

Here's the track :

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4obJ8fhOQ8[/flash]

This one no be beef na pork. 

I think this guy songs are nice actually

if i catch you even in new york, . classic

Mobinga:
LMFAO.  This nigga said "Girls are on my stick like my name is harry potter"


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Uh24FxyB-4[/flash]


Here's the track :

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4obJ8fhOQ8[/flash]

This one no be beef na pork. 

trust me he is better than that vic o dude

Watch this

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3y1WNX8XLc[/flash]

Abagworo:
I was the 1st to post this story. The truth is that the post civil war trauma has persisted and is still being fueled by non-Igbos. Many Yorubas have Igbo roots, Many Esans have Igbo roots, Many Igbos have Benin roots, many Urhobos have Igbo roots, most of the people called Ijaws in Rivers State have Igbo roots and still retain pure Igbo language as their only language.

All these claims I made above have oral and documented history. There is however a pattern when it comes to Igbo, there seems to be a movement to alienate some Igbos from others with a presumed reason of origin. No ethnic group can be pure.

Good post, You are very correct, No ethnic group is pure, I have ijaw blood as well.

My question is why can't many Igbos have yoruba blood, why is it always the other way around.

I am trying to see a common ground for unity here.

The present day Onitsha and co people migrated from the west, Yes No ?

If they migrated from the west then we can put a theory down that Igbos in some sense came from yoruba.

Also there are similarities in words between the modern day Igbo and yoruba

Also we can also conclude the majority of those words similarly used today might have been gotten from the west and they corrupted give that it is a non-tonal language unlike the west.

mbatuku2:
Are you not tired of repeating this story? What's the obsession with the Ugbodo people?

Are there not aboriginal Edo people who have become assimilated as yoruba in the Ondo-Ekiti axis?

It has nothing to do with assimilation be cultural sharing.

I brought out this to stop people in with the misconception that there are no yorubas in delta

there are 3 yoruba clans in delta state

1. Itsekiri
2. Ilaje
3. Olukumi as well.

Assimilation or not got nothing to do with this. It is not that there are tribal conflict because of this, or is there ?

Should be deny the Ezza of benue state just because they are assimilated into the idoma ? No

Also there are Arogbo Ijaws of ondo state, they have right as well.

There are Igbo clans in balysea as well, we cannot deny that fact. mY obsession with then has been stated

[img]http://nationalmirroronline.net/thumbnail.php?file=/H.R.M_Ayo_Isinyemeze__King_of_Ugbodu_306348011.jpg&size=article_large[/img]
H.R.M Ayo Isinyemeze, King of Ugbodu

http://nationalmirroronline.net/health/living/24781.html

Not many people know that there is an authentic Yoruba community in Delta State. Well, there is. The Oloku Mi people who migrated from Owo/Akure area of the present day Ondo State have lived in a community known as Ugbodu in Aniocha Local Government Area of Delta State since circa 11th Century AD. AMOUR UDEMUDE visited the community and found a people eager to retain as many aspects of their origin as possible.

The couple strolling ahead have all the trappings of the Igbo especially in the way they are attired and the language of their dialogue. A few metres more, they are at their abode where a group of kids bid them welcome in a language different from the one they have been using. Their response too is in that same language: a variety of the Yoruba language. Welcome to Ugbodu, a town in the Aniocha North Local Government Area of Delta State. Ugbodu is a peaceful community of over 10,000 people and it is agrarian like its Isoko, Urhobo, Izon, Itsekiri and Igbo neighbours. It is also a border town in that it shares boundary with Edo State. But aside their dressings, living , occupation and other things which bear close semblance to that of their neighbours, there is something unique and almost peculiar about them: their language and culture. These are prone to shock any first time visitor which was what happened to the reporter on his first visit. How could this be? The writer wondered. A visit to the palace, unfortunately, could not solve the riddle. The custodian of the people’s customs and traditions, the monarch, was not around to illuminate the dark areas. It was a young Princess taking the writer down to one of the members of the royal family who could talk, that made the first move at solving the riddle.

“We are a Yoruba speaking community and the name of our language is Oloku mi,” she disclosed. Finally the king, H.R.M. Ayo Isinyemeze, the Oloza (Obi) of Ugbodu, met the desire of the writer. The youthful looking, handsome royal father explained. According to the monarch who is also the chairman of the Traditional Rulers Council in Aniocha North, the Ugbodu Oluku mi speaking people migrated from Owo/Akure axis in the current day Ondo State between 9th and 11th Century AD to settle down in Benin during the reign of King Ogiso of Benin. They, however, had to leave Benin for their current abode after a particular incident which rendered them unsafe. “The language, Oluku mi is a dialect of the Yoruba. Interestingly, we are not the only speakers of the language. It is spoken even as far as far away Cuba, part of Southern America. Our history dated far back, very far back to the time of Ogiso’s in the Benin Kingdom. “Then, there was a young handsome Prince, the heir apparent to the throne. After the woman gave birth to the Prince, the nobles consulted the oracle and said that the oracle told them that the child should be killed for peace to reign in Benin Kingdom. But eventually he was not killed. However, when the news filtered into the rest of Benin that the Prince had not been executed, we didn’t feel safe and comfortable. that is to say we first of all settled in Benin at this time so when this filtered in that this young Prince had been executed of course our people grew very uneasy and decided to leave Benin and that was how we ended up here. So, that is how far we can trace our history and when we got here and find the place very conducive and fertile for settlement, of course we have to settle here,” the royal father narrated.

He continued: “Centuries later and interestingly, we would always claim that we were the first to settle in this neighbourhood which is why we have a name for practically all the communities around us as they refer to us simply as Ugbodu. “Sometime in the mid 90’s, the Ife monarch traveled to Cuba and then it was reported that he met a group of persons who were speaking an ancient, according to them, form of Yoruba that was called Oloku Mi.” What exactly does the name Ugbodu connote, the monarch disclosed “Ugbodu simply means, we have found solace in this land”. But how come the people are so different from the Yoruba who they claim are their progenitors? The monarch said: “You know when you have been away from your roots for an extended period what you begin to find is that assimilation of culture begins to take place. In sociology, we call it acculturation. “We began to acculturate and over time we had adopted largely the way of life of our neighbours. We now bear Igbo names. Me, for instance, my name is Isieyemeze but that’s not Oloku mi name, that’s an Igbo name. It is a tribute as it were to my family because, I bear an Oloku mi name as a first name. My children all bear Oluku mi names. I think there is renaissance, an effort of going back to our roots.

So, most of the children being born these days are named Oloku mi names. “Outside from that, our dance, dress and food we have basically adopted our neighbour’s lifestyle in those regards. Interestingly, practically everybody here speaks Igbo but as our second language. Our primary tongue is Oloku mi and everybody born here speaks that language. If we come out without you hearing us talk, you will also see us as Igbos because of the way we dress, kind of food we eat but outside that our language is the thing that really stands us out.” But do the people regret being outside their original habitat and losing touch with their roots The monarch replied in the negative stating: “We don’t have any regrets finding ourselves here because wherever we found ourselves is because we are destined to be here. Being here we have no regrets the only thing that I will say that irks us which is not peculiar to our community is the apparent lack of government attention to our community. “Things you find here, from the market, to the health centre, secondary school, are all community effort. In 2008, the government made a pronouncement of taking over the school but up till now we are still struggling to get that approval fully granted. We received a list of teachers and till now we are still fighting to get the teachers to report but all to no avail. We are the one solely funding the school till date as I talk to you.” The monarch however added: “We are very hospitable, very peace loving, very orderly people. We are development minded which is why we strive at every point to see that we bring the good things of life to ourselves even though we are not getting much encouragement from government in that regard.”

Ugbodu community, though grossly neglected, has produced so many big names who have made the country proud in their various fields of endeavour in life. But this, the royal father lamented, had not helped, their community has remained underdeveloped and grossly neglected. “I think as a measure of hospitality and quest for greatness, we have produced a string of first in this community. We produced the second ever Miss Nigeria in 1958 in the person of Helen Anyamelune, the captain of the first ever under 18 Golden Eaglets that brought the first world cup to Africa and indeed Nigeria in 1985 (China’85), in the person of Nduka Ugbade and beyond that we also have eminent scholars and politicians and all what not but unfortunately all these have not translated into developmental infrastructures in the community. “We have also used every opportunity we get to cry out to government to please come to our aid. You hardly find any Ugbodu person involved in any criminal activities but we had a major of contribution to the social cultural development of good of this nation. So it’s funny that in spite of all these we still not have anything to show for all that.” The Ugbodu people are mainly Christians. The Oloza shed more light. “For religion, we are primarily Christians but of course been Africans you will not remove that aspect of those who are still traditionalists in their beliefs. So, the African traditional religion is still present here but unfortunately it is not as dominant as it was in the days past. Christianity has taken over, I don’t think if we have any resident Muslim here but I am sure we have one or two persons from the community who are Muslims but not resident within the community.

Our community is a border community, we share boundary with Edo State and surrounding our community are several communities with different languages.” The Oloza of Ugbodu who maintained a cordial relationship with his people told Saturday Mirror that he was crowned in 1985 and this year is his 26th on the throne. The monarch however refused to disclose his educational background but simply said: “If I was looking for appointment or employment, I might want to display my educational qualifications but you can’t take it to the bank. That I have had a very good education that is the way I always put it.” He would, however, want his reign to be remembered as one that brought the greatest level of development to his community even as he advised politicians to as a matter of fact shun corruption which he said had brought rot and decay to the nation’s political and economic system, “Our leaders should learn how to be truthful and honest to Nigerians,” he insisted. Since the Yoruba speaking community is surrounded by the Igbo-speaking communities, it did not take much time before the Igbo language started to interfere greatly on the people’s language. This according to the monarch is the biggest and most challenging problems facing the people of Ugbodu community.

However, the people especially the elders are trying to tackle this problem headlong. Their Oluku mi language is being threatened hence its protection and that of their culture in general has become paramount.[b] Prince Adebowale Ochei of the royal family anindigene of Ugbodu who was born and breed in the land revealed that the elders are more connected to the original Oluku mi language than the youth stressing that they are gradually losing the real Oluku mi following the encroachment of the language by the Igbo language. According to Adebowale: “The real Oluku mi is like the Yoruba that is spoken in Owo in Ondo State. Someone from that place is expected to understand the language perfectly. I am an Oluku mi man and I am proud of my language. I am not happy that Igbo language is infiltrating our language. We are trying our best to correct the situation and part of that is what my brother (the Oloza) is doing by organising an Oluku mi reciting competition. We want to know the people who can speak the real Oluku mi without mixing it with Igbo or English.” As a protecting measure against the infiltration of the language, the inhabitants have made it a point of duty to making sure that their children are given Oluku mi names and to sing and say prayers in Oluku mi. In some cases, some radical reformers and revivalists changed the names given to them by their parents from Igbo to Oluku mi. The climax of the restoration process of their linguistic ethos and identity was the christening of the incumbent Oloza with an Oluku mi name, Ayo. The people of Ugbodu like every other community in Delta state have always contributed their quota mostly when it comes to casting their votes during elections, but the big question now is that, why has government decided to neglect the people to their fate by not living to it responsibility?[/b]

Nneoma123:
I am not saying you are not beautiful. We are talking about Scientific and Social fact, history,etc, without trying to take it personally. When we look at human beings, and what we consider to be physically attractive worldwide; scientists, anthropologists, and social culture throughout the world, acknowledge certain ethnic groups in various cultures as known for certain qualities. When it comes to many good qualities, all ethnic groups have great qualities. When it comes to physical beauty, Igbos are regarded as more attractive than Yoruba. This remains a fact, whether or not people on this forum agree with it or not. Just ask any taxi driver, African person on the street (Nigerian or not), etc. In Nigeria today, it is common for people to feel they have a pearl, when they are married to Igbo. Igbo women are considered "expensive". In the military, an officer with an Igbo wife, has "arrived". Apart from the physical beauty, they are also known for hardwork and creativity. All women are beautiful, in my opinion. But when you talk about physical beauty, you cannot compare the Igbo women features with Yoruba. This is a well known fact. Even Yoruba boast of Ondo state having most beautiful women in Yorubaland. Go and check the facts: This is the state with the highest intermarriage with East; Igbo, delta-Igbo, etc, etc. It cannot be a coincidence. This is not even an argument, it is a public fact that is not limited to Nigerian opinion alone. It is a fact that your agreement or disagreement will not change.

You have not outlined the bone of contention here

Is beauty directly proportional to skin complexion ?

If yes, then we can argue that majority of Igbos are ugly then since they do not have more light skin than black skin. Moreover they bleach as well both the men and women.

If no, then we can argue that ur discussion here is funny one and should regarded as silly since beauty is not a genetic material passed along, if it is then all Igbos should look alike wouldn't they

We can also trace Ijaws we are majority dark skin to have more in common with the yorubas and hausa then since they are dark skin and live at the equator.

Do you know what causes skin complexion ? Do you think it is genetic or environment ?

We can also argue that Light skin can be liken to because of the thick jungles of the east where as the west has less thick

Ondo/edo/delta/Ogun axis has thick forest as well, thus we can they the nature has provide some shade from the sun, thus lightier skin than Oyo, Lagos balysea and Rivers can't we ?

I am eagerly waiting for you answer to this thanks

Nneoma123:
I can tell you for a fact, that Yorubas who look just a bit pretty, always take pride that they are usually regarded as Omo Igbo.  My pastor's wife, several sisters, etc.  I attend a church with mostly Yoruba in it.  I think Yoruba should take it easy.  They like to sing Igbo choruses in church along with their own songs, and pretend they are singing it very well, in fact, they translate a lot of Igbo songs into their language as well.  Just try to sing one of their songs with them, to be a part of the community, and see how they will snob you.  The state with the prettiest Yoruba, I think Ondo, is so intermarried with Igbo.  They themselves know Igbos are more attractive, but will still try to argue it out on this forum.  Shameless Idiots.

I don't understand how this info has anything to do with DNA results ?

Igbo women are more attractive than yoruba, and so ?

been attracted to a woman has nothing to do with complexion.

Fulani's are more light skin than Igbos, can we say Igbos are an off-shot of fulani ?

Lastly it is not called Omo-ibo but omo Igbo Get your facts right


Now we can also argue that the light skin Igbos according to you comes mainly from Anambra and enugu alongside delta igbo area

This might because of their ancertal yoruba link in anambra onitsha which is a corrupt form of orisha in Yoruba and oritsha in edo/bini.

Take a look at delta igbos, there are 4 clans of which one is Olukumi and they still bare yoruba names till today ugbodu delta north

So we can argue that the so called light skin craze did not come from Igbo. Yes or NO ?

afam4eva:
Tpia you're dead wrong and Nneoma is right. Most intertribal marriages that I've seen with Yorubas, Ondo people take the lead. They're also the most beautiful of all Yorubas from my assesment. Like I said in another thread, they tend to have light skin ladies just like Igbos.

wrong, Ogun particularlly the Egbas/ijebus are more inclined to marry outside the yoruba enclave than ondo and ekiti and lagosians who are more reserved and rather keep to themselves