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phantom:Where did you get that from Open wards are normal in any hospital recongnised, or no abroad or in africa Not all patients have disease problem or infection. Some might be due to to haemorrhage, cancer, heritage diseases etc and if them need to be admitted, then an open ward is suitable for them. and incase the doctor needs to do something private to them which requires them being private, then it is easy to just draw the curtain and do what ever. |
Good move Nice one efisher, I salute ![]() |
ak47mann:Good Question, Nigerians are not foolls here Look I would make this clear to you and would ever cares to read 1. People making sentiments against the north are not honest with themselves 2. The plan is simple, First remove northerners then remove middle belters then few years down the line remove westerners thus making less mouth to feed in the so called black Gold. That is the plan. I would urge people not to fall for this plan, is it the so called southerners like You, Nchara, seanto02, killayut etc that want to form a country together ? The amount of hate posters like Nchara have posted here about Yorubas first before other SS would make you think that what it is the point of Nigeria when I am hated on all sides I am waiting for a day people like you and Nchara would say something NO JUST ONE THING positive about Northerners or your southern friends and Neighbour such as the westerners Just one thing. Even as loud mouth as yorubas are on this forum, I still sense a bit of sanity in them when compared to like of Nchara or noiseless. So every Nigerian inculding Igbos should ask, what is the problem with Nigeria. It is simple if you think deep enough and try to put yourselves in the Hausa man's shoe, yoruba man's shoe, Igbo man's shoe etc then Look at things from there different point of view and see what they all have in common. |
[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=817702.msg9704826#msg9704826 date=1323169048]Don't count on paying N150 for fuel after subsidy is removed. The government has the power to impose price control measures on these importers. FYI, there are at least 3 - 4 companies willing to replace each importer who does not want to continue importing and sell at current prices, after subsidy is gone. Its time to open the books of these importers and let everyone see the astronomical levels of their profits at the expense of you and I.[/quote]How can the government impose prices on the importer if the cost price (ie cost of refining and importation) is more than the selling quoted price by the government ? Why can't the government stop buying our petroleum products from them and look for better deals out side that would need them to pay any subsidy ? Was the crude oil not sold to them by the same government ie nnpc from them to refine and import ? What is there exact benefit that the government cannot redraw ? |
pazienza:is that really necessary ? at the first place no one won any war, it is only on Nairaland you would see people talking about someone winning or losing a war. |
Last week, the government released a list of those benefiting from the so called fuel subsidy but you should ask yourself what is the benefit in fuel subsidy ? Was there no demand for it before they, started importing it ? If no, then why is the government STILL buying petroleum products from this beneficial 1.There is simply nothing like those benefitting from the subsidy,its simply business 2.There is a shortfall in demand and the supply of petroleum product in the country 3.Business men import the products to make up for the shortfalls 4.There is what we call landing cost and profit margin per litre, which the importers must make from their investment 5.The govt have failed in thier social contract with the people to provide the basic nessesity by not allowing the refinaries to work Now we know why are our refineries not working if the business man aka beneficials are the ones enjoying the fuel subsidy ? If the subsidy is removed, Would the government still not be paying huge amount to the importers aka the benefit thieves. Who is the government fooling about this so called fuel subsidy ? Now if the importers decide to to change their prices, would the government not still buy it that that price since we have no refinery to produce our own crude oil. Is the government not thinking that if the refineries are built and producing upto 80% of our daily consumsion of petrol that fuel subsidy would NATURALLY GO ? Now BEAF please answer this questions apart from the ones stated above 1. What are our taxes used for ? Are they to pay Governors and Asorock food 2. Since the FG collects tax from the subsidy thieves, what have those sums of money been used for ? 3. Our money gotten from the exportation of crude oil, where has it gone Lastly, given the fact that Our government no long do any governmental function for us, such as building new roads (not repair), free education etc, What would now be the job of the government ? Or are we just paying out taxes for them to be paid ? Please beaf I would appreciate if these questions can be answered without lies or propaganda. Thanks |
As for me, I don't regard them as thieves as the government want to brand them Last week, the government released a list of those benefiting from the so called fuel subsidy but you should ask yourself what is the benefit in fuel subsidy ? Was there no demand for it before they, started importing it ? If no, then why is the government STILL buying petroleum products from this beneficial 1.There is simply nothing like those benefitting from the subsidy,its simply business 2.There is a shortfall in demand and the supply of petroleum product in the country 3.Business men import the products to make up for the shortfalls 4.There is what we call landing cost and profit margin per litre, which the importers must make from their investment 5.The govt have failed in thier social contract with the people to provide the basic nessesity by not allowing the refinaries to work Now we know why are our refineries not working if the business man aka beneficials are the ones enjoying the fuel subsidy ? If the subsidy is removed, Would the government still not be paying huge amount to the importers aka the benefit thieves. Who is the government fooling about this so called fuel subsidy ? Now if the importers decide to to change their prices, would the government not still buy it that that price since we have no refinery to produce our own crude oil. Is the government not thinking that if the refineries are built and producing upto 80% of our daily consumsion of petrol that fuel subsidy would NATURALLY GO ? Now BEAF please answer this questions apart from the ones stated above 1. What are our taxes used for ? Are they to pay Governors and Asorock food 2. Since the FG collects tax from the subsidy thieves, what have those sums of money been used for ? 3. Our money gotten from the exportation of crude oil, where has it gone Lastly, given the fact that Our government no long do any governmental function for us, such as building new roads (not repair), free education etc, What would now be the job of the government ? Or are we just paying out taxes for them to be paid ? The government should answer these questions or any other poster that has the answer |
Beaf I would like if you can reply because it seems like there are somethings you and GEJ are not telling us about |
Nchara:so even if they praise Ojukwu and Zik, they are still malu s abi dude, change ur ways |
I mean they would not be benefiting from fuel subsidy if the government stop buying from them ? |
Last week, the government released a list of those benefiting from the so called fuel subsidy but you should ask yourself what is the benefit in fuel subsidy ? Was there no demand for it before they, started importing it ? If no, then why is the government STILL buying petroleum products from this beneficial 1.There is simply nothing like those benefitting from the subsidy,its simply business 2.There is a shortfall in demand and the supply of petroleum product in the country 3.Business men import the products to make up for the shortfalls 4.There is what we call landing cost and profit margin per litre, which the importers must make from their investment 5.The govt have failed in thier social contract with the people to provide the basic nessesity by not allowing the refinaries to work Now we know why are our refineries not working if the business man aka beneficials are the ones enjoying the fuel subsidy ? If the subsidy is removed, Would the government still not be paying huge amount to the importers aka the benefit thieves. Who is the government fooling about this so called fuel subsidy ? Now if the importers decide to to change their prices, would the government not still buy it that that price since we have no refinery to produce our own crude oil. Is the government not thinking that if the refineries are built and producing upto 80% of our daily consumsion of petrol that fuel subsidy would NATURALLY GO ? Now BEAF please answer this questions apart from the ones stated above 1. What are our taxes used for ? Are they to pay Governors and Asorock food 2. Since the FG collects tax from the subsidy thieves, what have those sums of money been used for ? 3. Our money gotten from the exportation of crude oil, where has it gone Lastly, given the fact that Our government no long do any governmental function for us, such as building new roads (not repair), free education etc, What would now be the job of the government ? Or are we just paying out taxes for them to be paid ? Please beaf I would appreciate if these questions can be answered without lies or propaganda. Thanks |
Hall of fame: Chinua Achebe for refusing national hons and showing integrity Hall of shame: Asiwaju Bola Tinubu for Imposing candidates on people without any form of internal democracy |
Pukkah:you see !!!! people on this site are going crazy the way they make fun of dead people as if it is normal |
coogar:eze= elder or leader ndi= people igbo =igbo so eze ndigbo means elder or leader of igbo people. i hope i am correct |
kasiem:Look, I am not smart neither have I said I was cleaver. I am an average man just like any other person. Answer to your question, Now Gowon was in a situation where it was said ever civial worker, soilder etc should go back to there region. Why did the biafrans not go back ? You see, Gowon did his best to make people see reason but on the second though, I guess there were some elements in Igboland then that were pushing Ojukwu to fight for secession because of Oil. Who knows, only God and Ojukwu himself ( may his sould rest in perfect peace). |
kasiem:Really, I don't want to reopen old wounds. You see, I understand your plight and what you are discussing about. Starting from Gowon, to OBJ to adekunle etc I don't f-ing care about them, to them, they are all part of the system still today. What I would like to see from Igbos on Nairaland is discuss on unity and how we can stick together or how we can seperate in peace. If I tell you I do not understand the anger in an average Igbo man's heart on the baifra war, I would be lying to you. It was a sad event on our history and I do understand where you are coming from. What I would like to see is how we can make Nigeria one of the greatest country in the world and how we can live in a detribalised society. tribalsim lead to the war. Now that was 40-50 Years ago, lets move forward, abi biko nwanne. |
kasiem:A normal government is meant to protect it's citizens no matter where they are. Also we have to agree that we were in regional government then and of course it is expected for Igbos to go back to the east but they did not and thus the riot escalated. |
Relax101:Pls nwanne don't address me with that name ![]() Yes ojukwu engage the FG by telling them how he would secede if his needs are not met ? If you were the FG then, and someone comes to met you that he would secede if his needs are not met with arrogance would you grant him his wish. Ojukwu then is not the ojukwu now (or before he went) Ojukwu then was arrogant, and he was playing his game in such a way that Gowon would be trapped Go read his conversation with Gowon ( I though I expected Gowon to be smarter before signing the Aburi cord) Ojukwu was a clever man who went to Oxford and even the at the aburi cord, the colonial master describe him as " He was smarter compared to his peers" ie Gowon. Thus after Gowon made the agreement with Ojukwu, he was called by the british that void the agreement and was also advice to divide the eastern region then. |
kasiem:true why should anyone engage with the FG since it is there responsibility. well that is nigeria for you, take a look at jos and co |
kasiem:Beg for it ? Where did you get that from As I said Ojukwu should have engaged the FG at that time to do something about the kiilling. It is not necessary begging We were still under fedralism or jsut recently left fedralism, thus each region saw the other as another country but the Igbos did not see it like that back then which was very patriotic and mature of them. Needless to say, we the new generation should not do anything that would cause thousands to die again, We should always seek diplomatic means. I understand the angry and the sense of unfairness on the minds of the igbos on this site but most of you on this site are not being objective which is understandable. It is a lesson we all can learn from. |
afam4eva:SMH, I would not result to insult I would rather tell you the truth and it is up to u to either believe it or remain deceived. Now the eastern region was divided by Gowon given that the war was about Oil to Ojukwu and freedom to the Igbo people. there were 2 different mind sets here and that is why Igbos and people like you see Ojukwu as a god. Ojukwu was the leader of Igboland by default because no one else had power more than him back then in alaigbo. He was seen then just now like know as a defender of the igbo people thus he gain the trust of the people and they saw him as a liberator. |
afam4eva:and was the eastern region not divided before the war ? after the aburi meeting 11 days later the eastern region was divided way before the guns were shoot so he then became the leader of Igboland rather than eastern region. |
ak47mann:To me I have to be honest, apart for the 30,000 killed in the north, that was about it. IT WAS a war and as such it so happened that Igbos faced the HIGHEST causality very sad I must say. So tell me it was a genocide only implies that Ojukwu was not fighting back but igbos were killed just because they were igbos and that is VERY WRONG FACT. Then don't be angry or abusive when the TRUTH is been aired out. Because people like you are trying to change what caused the war making seem like people just went all out to target Igbos. I mean how is that possible. why ? kasiem:What are you taking about nwanne. 1. Ojukwu should have asked the government to intervened in the pogrom that HAPPENED FROM 6 MONTHS. 2. What were Igbos still doing in the north for the period of 6 MONTHS if they were being killed ? 3. What do you mean by Ojukwu should have asked for protection, is that not what a normal leader would do if his people are not in there federal state ? We were operating on regional govenment then ain't we ? 4. Yes Ojukwu should have excluded River and Cross river pior to the war, because YES THERE WAS DIVISION IN THE EAST BACK THEN. don't act like the whole east was One ethnic group. Ojukwu could only have added those ethnic groups if a. they asked for his protection b. Those ethnic groups send there presentatives like it is done even this present day in the north and west c. if they wanted out as well 5. Let me remind you that those ethnic groups in the eastern region then were praising celebrating and happy that the Nigeria army came to free them. If they wanted biafra as bad as the Ojukwu wanted then, there would not be celebration in Ikwerre rivers state, awka ibom etc 6. Ojukwu could have Known that they were in support of him if HE DID NOT FORCE THEM BUT SEE IF THEY WOULD SEND A REPRESENTATIVE TO HIM from sos and so village or sos and so ethnic group. 7. Yes I think so, because if not then what would explain the igbo people on this site fixation on the SS. Let me remained you that the SS is not SE where Igbos are a mijority. The SS is a geopolitical expression coined by PDP from the seperated regions of the western and eastern Nigeria. Allow each minority to chose his/her destiny without the interferance of Yoruba and Igbos The yorubas understand that quite clear why can't igbos too understand that. In the SS, there are Ijaws, itsekrir, ilaje (YORUBA), anioma (Igbo), akoko edo ( yoruba), usen, bini, ikwerri, ibibio, ndoki, opobo, kalabari, urhobo, isoko, annage etc you name the rest. so what is wrong in that. After all the mid-west was created from Nnamdi Azikwe to reduce Awolowo's power so why are you people complaing about the division of the so called eastern region ? |
ak47mann:then since you know this, then let us rest about this bloody biafra war. How can people be having a hard-on on a war that claimed more lives than anyother in Nigerian's history. If you don't want others to tell the truth then maybe you stop making topics on biafra. If not, the truth would ALWAYS be aired out. |
ak47mann:Who is heck is blaming Igbos, I blame Ojukwu not Igbos. I blame Ojukwu because he is the reason why every topic on Nairaland and the internet is filled with BAIFRA war and we cannot longer rest again. kasiem:If I was In ojukwu's shoes this are the things I would have considered doing 1. After the pogroms in the north, I would not allow my people to go back there until the issue is settled 2. If still unsettled, I would then do what he did by bring every Igboland under protection and allow those outside Igboland to fend for themselves 3. In aburi meeting, I would have asked for the protection of my people and would not declear secession 4. I would call the international committee to witness you POSITION CLEAR AND SOUND. 5. If at all, I had no choice but feel I have to secede, I would only take Igboland and no other, unless others have come for protection then I would not be the soul leader but make a sort of conference for leaders from each ethnic group to talk and agree on issues. 6. I would never have invaded neutrals in the mid-west and western Nigeria. Instead of I would try to make the neutrals to see reason with me, not try to invade them. 7. I would have release the neutral leader earilier to make my intentions clear to the neutral people that I was no longer part of this misconception called Nigeria and as such I hold no power to hold an prisoner held by Nigeria. Not that I would wait for Gowon to make a deal with me before I release him and yet you expect those people to see me as the one that librated them ? 8. If the situation gets to the stage of the a WAR, I would rather just protect my provice and I would never try to invade a neutral position. By so the international committee would see that it was a war to protect his people not to fight against Nigeria. 9. and FINALLY, I WOULD NEVER EVER LEAVE MY PEOPLE TO BE DYING WHILE I HAVE NOT SURRENDERED BUT RUN AWAY. I rather die for the cause that 2 million died for than say alive and run for presidency in the enemies quaters. I would see it as an insult to the dead because of my fight. Those are the things I would have done If I was in Ojukwu's shoes but also there are various factors that might be modified given the fact that Ojukwu did not tell us what transpered between him and Awo and between him and the Nigerian army. |
queensmith:God Bless you for this. Only if people can read and understand You are one of the few that understand The baifra war. It was greed, and an arrogance filled war that caused 3 million lives to be lost. Ojukwu should ask himself why he took the non-baifra igbo area along with baifra He should also ask why he wanted to annex Lagos, ogun and Ondo to baifra Why did he invade the mid-west and kill Millions of Itsekiri, Bini, Esan, Usan, Urhobo, etc unless he knew of the presence of the oil there. Why did he not jut go with the Igbo speaking areas ? smh, so much for heroism |
[quote author=PROUD-IGBO link=topic=816557.msg9688177#msg9688177 date=1322955722]^^^ NO!!! [/quote]Ok If the system cannot work in Nigeria, what makes you think the system would work in your country ? Is it not the same set of people from Nigeria that would be in your country with the same mind set ? |
[quote author=PROUD-IGBO link=topic=816557.msg9688065#msg9688065 date=1322953534]^^^ You don't get it do you ? Any problems we face as a people, the genesis can be traced to our being part of this fake collection of ethnicities that passes for a nation (NATION You ask how my new nation would eradicate corruption? Simple really: b[b]y the time one or two thieving muthafuckers are made an example of, everyone else will fall in line.[/b] Merit and hardwork will be elevated, hence citizens will know that you can be successful in your own right, and that you don't have to work in/or know someone in government b/4 you can put food on your table. Corruption can be eradicted by simply having the will to obey and implement laws; laws drafted by "we the people", and not those drafted by some conniving shifty characters that haven't got a clue what hardwork and honesty is even if it came up and slapped them in their lazy-a*ss faces.[/quote]I knew it. but why can't that be implemented in Nigeria ? don't you think if that was not implemented in Nigeria, you think it would be implemented in Your new country ? Is it not the same set of people and mind set that would be taken to your country ? I mean do you see what I mean ![]() |
redsquare:Please and Please show me where I have ever pointed that out. Unless you are the hypocrite here. In fact I have always said crime is not known to any ethnic group. Please go read my post before u lie against my person. I have never pointed any crime against Igbos unless I am in a silly e-war with mekusxx aka Nchara. |
guonno:I think you are drunk, who are the ndi ara ? |
[quote author=9ja_I_hail link=topic=816532.msg9688074#msg9688074 date=1322953747][size=13pt]according to nigeria government it says every land in nigeria belongs to all nigerians,now when u start saying don't go to lagos or don't go to enugu or abuja[/size].that means oil belongs to the people who it was found in their areas?.are you telling me that if nigeria authority is fair how can imo abia ijaw and the rest of south south which is oil producing states will be left as rural environment.this country has many things to address.as you said igbo's should stop coming to lagos it shows the level of idiotic in you.how can you use their resources and develop another man land and tell them not to come to that land.well if igbo's hear that from any of our president i am assuring you that the next day you will hear that shell workers in oguta and abia has been abducted over night.stop using those words because it creating problem[/quote]Thank you very much Since you know the highlighted then STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT YORUBAS OR ANYONE ARE THE PROBLEM WITH NIGERIA THEY DID NOT FUCCCKING BEG ANYONE TO COME TO THERE LAND NEITHER DID THEY CHASE ANYONE OUT. SO STOP CALLING THEM TRIBALSITIC OR WHATEVER OK ! thanks ![]() |
[quote author=@miguel link=topic=816532.msg9688048#msg9688048 date=1322953231]alj fulani or whatever your name is don't try and play mr good man here. today you are supporting a tribe , tomorrow, you are backlashing them. [/quote]support a tribe ? where did you get that from.I rather see things from an objective point of view than support even My own. I think you should do the same. There is no gain in support even your own ethnic group when the whole corrupt system is independent of ethnicity. Now we have certain elements in our political roam that have kept us under locks by pointing out ethnic groups and wiping up sentiments against them for there OWN purpose to power. I was never a tribalist an I feel ashame for some of the things I have posted but heck Nchara MUST GO DOWN ![]() |
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this people are the product of wickedness and hate they will end miserably.
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