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[quote author=One_Naira link=topic=807895.msg9620207#msg9620207 date=1322094175]My friend if you are going to lie,  lie well.  Go back few pages and see the first person that talked about soups.  He's not Igbo

Articles written by Nigerians.
http://www.imdiversity.com/villages/global/Global_Kitchen/EgusiSoup.asp
http://www.justushealthyeatingnigeriandiets.com/Nigerianfoodrecipes.html
http://eatsfromnigeria./tag/egusi-soup/

Carry on with the claim claim. More grease to una elbows.[/quote]another silly cooking website, Imagine discussing about history and someone is bring out sites like "how to cook egusi soup" , "just eating nigerian", " eat nigeria"

SMH, dude go sleep. I am done with u until u bring out concrete evidence to claim otherwise.

[quote author=One_Naira link=topic=807895.msg9620176#msg9620176 date=1322093500]Was I talking to you?  '

Well I fixed your question for you

 let me answer it: Yes, you are Ileke-idi.  Yes you are and i pity you.[/quote]what do you mean u were not talking to her ?

we are in a discussion and it is an open forum isn't it.

[quote author=One_Naira link=topic=807895.msg9620165#msg9620165 date=1322093363]You lots are funny.  You claim things that isn't yours just because you gave it a name.  

I learned something today,  I never knew thats a yoruba attribution[/quote]Dude i think u are starting to sound like an ideeiot. really

what do you mean, the FACTS are there unless you want to be like Nayah that disclaim facts and chooses what she thinks is right.

well life does not work that way. What it is; is what it is.

It did not originate for Igbo land, it was an adopted culture for the yorubas and hausa

learn to separate facts for your wishes STOP CLAIMING THE ORIGIN OF EVERYTHING TO BE FROM IGBOLAND because it is not.

what should we talk about again Moi-moi, agbada, gele, fila or what

all this are adopted cultures which is bad and there is nothing wrong in it, Just don't change hsitory to fit your style because you would be disgracing your people and urself as well.

Facts are Facts and I did not say anything from my sources or head but from Journals and cited sites. History books as well not from a cook website

[quote author=One_Naira link=topic=807895.msg9620162#msg9620162 date=1322093201]ASK ANYONE IN NIGERIA THE ORIGINS OF EGUSI SOUP? It's Igbo and Eastern Nigeria.[/quote]I have asked and the respond is not IGBO. In fact that is why I came online to tackle such claims

so anyone does that equate to Igbo people ?

Only an ignoramus would say such

EzeUche:
I would not put myself in such a predicament. Why would I go to a place, where I am not wanted?

I value my life more than money. You cannot take you money with you to the grave.

No one is wanted anywhere but what do we do ?

It is not like they go to each house asking which is Igbo for them to be killed. People die on both sides

It is not also valuing money over life. I know some igbos that havve lived in borno all there lifes and are still there never been disturbed till date.

there is misunderstanding somewhere which needs to be resolve fast by leaders of the north and east.

[quote author=One_Naira link=topic=807895.msg9620153#msg9620153 date=1322092917]Are you brain dead or what?  I'm talking about Ogbono, some  is talking about Egusi.  Read carefully, read CAREFULLY.[/quote]Ogbono is not a yoruba word as I can think of, I know it is called Apon which Yorubas still call it.

infact I rather think of ogbono as a bini word or food.

[quote author=One_Naira link=topic=807895.msg9620141#msg9620141 date=1322092754]I said the name is Yoruba and Twi but the soup is NOT.  Learn to read people words and don't pick and choose what you want.[/quote]rubbish where in the link does it say the soup is not yoruba ?

Mr man, stop posting rubbish because u are just embarrassing urself, really

[quote author=One_Naira link=topic=807895.msg9620135#msg9620135 date=1322092664]I did not say it was Igbo but Yoruba? LMFAO.[/quote]you don't have to say anything, it is what it is

I don't understand why u are LMFAO, what is funny ?

[quote author=One_Naira link=topic=807895.msg9620130#msg9620130 date=1322092571]

http://books.google.com/books?id=dnRvy5Q9TXoC&pg=PA140&lpg=PA140&dq=Ogbono+igbo&source=bl&ots=yXy4gZFCNl&sig=N5t6TGcMD_JTt4p-6u8gGfIK7Mo&hl=en&ei=BIfNTp7GE8Ln0QHv951M&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFkQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Ogbono%20igbo&f=false

Okay ooh. This claim claim okay ohh.
 

I learned something new today.

My eyes don open

Thank you Ileke-idi and cohorts.[/quote]thanks for that link, I would refer to it now

IT IS CALLED OGILI BUT SOPHISTICATED IGBOS CALL IT EGUSI

that was what your link said

which mean the civilised Igbos call it egusi and ofcourse that is explains why it is called egusi today in ala igbo isn't it ?

[quote author=One_Naira link=topic=807895.msg9620117#msg9620117 date=1322092211]The name maybe, a bit doubtful since its also named egusi in Twi.  The Egusi soup is not yoruba. 

http://books.google.com/books?id=1s-a7EMM6BgC&pg=PA13&dq=Egusi+igbo&hl=en&ei=vIXNTtWhJ4Xn0QHl-NQX&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=Egusi%20igbo&f=false[/quote]dude shut it I would type what your link wrote now

the seed egusi is native to africa, It is called agushi in twa, egusi in yoruba and agushi in Hausa also called ogili in ibo

Or is that not what your link u provided said ?

stop acting stu.pid if u have not read the link u provided

[quote author=One_Naira link=topic=807895.msg9620072#msg9620072 date=1322091349]^^^^^Why are people taking this alJ_harem words seriously?  I find it funny.

Akara yoruba?  Okra Yoruba?   Egusi yoruba?   Ogbono Yoruba?   This thread opened my eyes on Yoruba people.  I have to retrace everything I thought belonged to Yoruba cause the amount of claim claim their children are doing is .[/quote]dude I believe you don't know how Igbo culture has been greatly influenced by Nigeria (same goes for others)

Go read Lugard on Nigeria book

Igbos migrated to lagos as early as 1950's and returned to the east back

AKARA Is not an Igbo food, even an ideeiot knows that

Akara orignated from Yoruba people

It is a stable food ever since in benin, togo Nigeria , brazil, cerlo people of serri leano and jamica

all this places have high concentrtion of yoruba people in relative purposes

even the brazilian, jamica  acknowleged to the yorubas

this was a book by Mary Ann S. Barber in 1857 on Trinidad Yoruba: from mother tongue to memory

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4O8CAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA15&dq=akara+yoruba&hl=en&ei=_n3NToikFIfi8QOL44DpCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=akara%20yoruba&f=false

so tell me when yorubas knew Igbos in 1857 ?

I would urge you to please stop this display of ignorance and learn the TRUTH

it would take nothing away from you.

Obiagu1:
Any Igbo talking bad about Igbos in the North, I spit on you and I'll spit on your grave too. Useless goons that were spoon fed and don't know what life is.
How many Igbos have you ever helped in your life? How many of them did you give scholarship or gave money to start business in the East.
Have you ever asked yourselves how those Igbos ended up in the North?

I just wish some of you will witness real hardship and see what live is. If there's an opportunity in Afghanistan, you'll be the first to go.

F.O.O.L.S!

Thank you May God be with you, your family and all of us

this people don't understand

I myself I have lived in places where I was a total stranger at first visit

Places like anambra, port harcourt, Lagos, warri, Ibadan, Kwara, Kogi and calabar

all in the bead to make earns meat for myself. Now if they are in the north to make money as well, it is good

The youths do not represent and average northerner.

I am such you have met some northeners before, You cannot tell me they are evil. the same with the yorubas

THIS SITE DOES NOT REPRESENT THE YORUBAS IN ANYWAY OR FORM. likes of eko ile, bluetooth and co are not representative of yorubas. Meet like og Gbawe and akinbi edu, they are more yorubas when discussing with them

Like of Ezeuche, mekuuzz etc DO not represent the Igbos. In fact Igbos are nice people I am not going to lie or decieve you.

Neither DO I ALJ HAREM Represent the North in any form or way. Thanks for not getting carried away

well appreciated. Nwa Eze obiagu 1 of Ndi igbo, I hail you o. Now please explain to this people

ezeagu:
Egusi may be a shared word, like akara, but Okro is Igbo.

Akara if a yoruba name used from benin to togo to nigeria and straight to brazilians, this places have little igbo connection. it has no connection with igbo at all

moreover what does akara mean in igbo

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1s-a7EMM6BgC&pg=PA159&dq=akara+yoruba&hl=en&ei=QH3NTtqaOsWo8AOGnd3KDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=akara%20yoruba&f=false

ezeagu:
Egusi may be a shared word, like akara, but Okro is Igbo.

I knew it, akara is igbo ko ?

akara is not a shared word at all, it was spread by the yorubas, and used today by every other group just like edikaong the vegetable soup of calabar.

every group calls it but it is a calabar word

okro or ogbono or apon depending on the place you are

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=807895.msg9618687#msg9618687 date=1322077162]For Alh and the rest of the revisionists/claimers. Go through this page and see for yourself. Learn about the names of our produce,etc. Start on page 369. You can go on page 368 just incase you think we "stole" any other foods as well.Best of wishes brother. :

http://74.6.117.48/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=igbo+food&fr=yfp-t-701&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=igbo+food&d=4752600705008366&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=12735aff,68b9adf1&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=3tibT6RD5mOjScDtNIdKXA--[/quote]again stop ur rubbish

give me a cited site that says egusi origin

let me give u another one

T[b]he fruit pulp of these cultivars is too bitter for human consumption. In West Africa they are called ‘egusi’, derived from the Yoruba language; in Wolof language (Senegal) they are called ‘beref’. In the Kalahari region, the seeds are considered a delicacy.

Correct citation of this article:
van der Vossen, H.A.M. & Denton, O.A. & El Tahir, I.M., 2004.[/b]

http://database.prota.org/PROTAhtml/Citrullus%20lanatus_En.htm

Egusi is a recent Igbo food

asorocker:
i keep repeating it in this forum that even though the hausa fulani are not always friendly the worst enemies igbos have are the yorubas. i wish the igbos can for once reflect and think deply about their status in nigeria, some few days back ohaneze youths were busy saying no jonathan no nigeria. IGBOS NEVER LEARNT ANY LESSONS FROM THE PAST.

as it is now there are 3 options for igbos to keep 1. is to be passive and keep taking the poo from the north,  2.to be reactive  and strike back anytime northerners strike at them , 3 to be proactive and pull out igbos from the violent territories in the north.
The north as it is , is finished politically and they have nothing else to hold on to except to cause confusion and chaos. The east has everything to gain by maintaining the statusquo of GEJ presidency , backing him or David Mark for 2015 if Nigeria keeps existing . the SS and the MB has this last opportunity the SS to get back their birth right (their oil wealth which has been hijacked and stolen) , the MB has this last chance to brake through from the strangle hold of the norh. either way it isnt going to be a smooth ride for SE , SS and MB. i expect the north for fight back for power through antics like Boko haram e.t.c

STFU

WHY SHOULD IGBOS HAVE ENEMIES AT THE FIRST PLACE ?

if not Igbos like you have a BIG PROBLEM

hausa is not igbo enemy

Yoruba is not igbo enemy

etc

keep that in ur mind ok

silly ideeiot

also
On-farm yield potential of local seed watermelon landraces under heat-and drought-prone conditions in Mali

by
AD NANTOUMÉ, JL CHRISTIANSEN

Cucurbit species grown for their seed, including seed-type watermelons, are in several
West African countries popularly called egusi melons. The name originates from the Yoruba
language spoken in Nigeria, Benin and Togo

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=8433793

this people are not yoruba or Nigerians but from other countries

For those that do research and PHD students. I am such you know that the most accurate references are Journals citations


The Egusi type is a non-hard-coat form of L.
siceraria mainly cultivated for the use of its seeds. Egusi
(in Yoruba language) refers to a group of cucurbit species
that produce protein and oil rich seeds

by E. G. Achigan-Dako

http://www.springerlink.com/content/2014006j826u4185/fulltext.pdf

Mods thanks, also please unban alj harem

mbatuku2:
Tufiakwa!

LOL you dey craze . Culture mix, that is life

I brought out an example of Fashola's clothing

Citrullus lanatus (Thunb.) Matsum. & Nakai

Protologue
Cat. Sem. Spor. Hort. Bot. Univ. Imp. Tokyo 30: No 854 (1916).
Family
Cucurbitaceae
Chromosome number
2n = 22
Synonyms
Momordica lanata Thunb. (1794), Citrullus vulgaris Schrad. ex Eckl. & Zeyh. (1836), Colocynthis citrullus (L.) Kuntze (1891).
Vernacular names
– Egusi melon, egusi watermelon, West African watermelon (En). Pastèque égousi, melon à pistache (Fr).
– Watermelon, dessert watermelon (En). Pastèque (Fr). Melancia (Po). Mtikiti, mtikiti maji (Sw).
– Cooking melon, fodder melon, preserving melon, citron (En). Pastèque à cuire, pastèque fourragère, citre, méréville (Fr).


Origin and geographic distribution

Citrullus lanatus originates from the western Kalahari region of Namibia and Botswana, where it can still be found in the wild in a diversity of forms together with other Citrullus species. In this region there are two major types, one with small fruits that are generally bitter and mainly used for their seeds, called ‘tsama melon’. This is the probable ancestor of egusi melon. The other type has fruits that are mainly used as a source of water during periods of drought or as cooking melons, and may well represent the ancestral form of the watermelon, fodder melon and cooking melon. Following first domestication of Citrullus lanatus in southern Africa in prehistoric times, its cultivation became widespread in Mediterranean Africa, the Middle East and West Asia more than 3000 years ago. Introduction into India must also have occurred in ancient times and here a strong secondary centre of genetic diversity developed. Citrullus lanatus reached China around the 10th century and Japan in the 16th century. It was introduced to the Americas in early post -Columbian times.

Egusi melon, grown for its seed, has probably been domesticated in the southern Sahel zone or in regions surrounding the Kalahari desert. It is especially important in West Africa. People in Namibia and Botswana still harvest most of their seeds from the wild, but some landraces have been selected specifically for their oil-rich seed. Cultivars grown in western Sudan are probably of the same type as the egusi melon of West Africa. Seed melons are also important in China.
Watermelon is now widespread in all tropical, subtropical and warm temperate (hot summers) regions of the world, including Africa. Cooking melons are mainly found in the northern and eastern parts of the Kalahari desert. Fodder melon is mainly grown in the United States and South Africa.

Uses
Citrullus lanatus comprises overlapping groups of cultivars that yield seed or edible fruits. Fruits of wild or semi-wild plants are used in the Kalahari region as a source of drinking water. The same use is reported from Sudan. Other primitive forms are used as forage.

Most important in Africa are cultivars of which the only edible portion are the seeds. The fruit pulp of these cultivars is too bitter for human consumption. In West Africa they are called ‘egusi’, derived from the Yoruba language; in Wolof language (Senegal) they are called ‘beref’. In the Kalahari region, the seeds are considered a delicacy. After roasting, they are ground into a coarse, whitish meal, which is nutritious and pleasantly nutty-tasting. In West Africa the seeds are made into pulp and added as thickener to soups. They are also fermented to produce a sweetener locally called ‘ogiri’ or they are roasted, pounded, wrapped in leaves and then boiled to produce another sweetener called ‘igbãlo’. The pulp of roasted and salted seeds is eaten in Sudan and Egypt, where it is called ‘tasali’. In the far northern parts of Sudan seeds of some types are eaten whole, including the seedcoat, after being roasted; these are called ‘gorom’. A highly prized vegetable oil is extracted from the seed. This oil is used for cooking and for cosmetic purposes and is of interest to the pharmaceutical industry. The residue from oil extraction is made into balls that are fried to produce a local snack called ‘robo’ in Nigeria, or is used as cattle feed. The oil is used in making soups and in Namibia it has traditionally been used for making soap. The seeds can be roasted to make a substitute for coffee.
Many cultivars are grown as a vegetable crop for fresh consumption of the refreshingly juicy and sweet flesh of the mature fruit. In most parts of the world the watermelon is the most important type of Citrullus lanatus.
In several African countries, local non-sweet, non-bitter cultivars are used as cooking melon, e.g. in Kenya, Namibia, Botswana and Zimbabwe. Related types in Sudan are sometimes referred to as ‘citron’ or ‘citronnel’. Young fruits from which the seeds have been removed are cooked until they are soft. In Zimbabwe the cooked melons are mixed with cooked beans or cowpeas, and powdered seeds of bottle gourd are added. To preserve the fruit flesh, the seeds and rind are removed and slices are dried in the sun. A stiff porridge is made from mature fruits mixed with maize or pearl millet flour. The leaves are occasionally used as a cooked vegetable. In the United States the rind of some cultivars is made into pickle or a sweet preserve. In the south of France, the preserving melon or citron is popular for jams. In the extensive farming systems of semi-arid regions, leaves and fruits of fodder melons are a source of forage and water for livestock.[b] The fruits are used as a drastic purgative in Senegal; they are diuretic and used to treat diarrhoea and gonorrhoea in Nigeria. [/b]Tar is extracted from the seeds and used for the treatment of scabies and for skin tanning.


https://database.prota.org/PROTAhtml/Photfile%20Images/Citrullus%20lanatus%204.JPG

http://database.prota.org/PROTAhtml/Citrullus%20lanatus_En.htm

Bitter Leaf soup is native to igbo as well

igbos call it Ofe Onugbu

soup is different from stew

1 Watermelon is also an African native.

. 2 In Ghana and a few other countries it is called “neri.” Egusi (some think the term derives from Yoruba; some from Hausa) has become the generic name for the seed across West Africa’s many linguistic boundaries.

For details, see companion volume on the fruits of Africa

afam4eva:
Egusi is native to Igbos. Read this: http://www.imdiversity.com/villages/global/Global_Kitchen/EgusiSoup.asp

Egusi is native to Yoruba. Read this : http://www.cometonigeria.com/nigerian-food-and-drinks/treat-yourself-with-finger-licking-egusi-soup

EGUSI IS NOT EVEN AN IGBO WORD, A SCHOLAR OF HISTORY SAID it is either Yoruba or Hausa

Lost Crops of Africa: Vegetables By National Research Council (U.S.). Board on Science and Technology for International Development

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=mllZm3CChGIC&pg=PA155&lpg=PA155&dq=egusi+yoruba&source=bl&ots=7qjtTDgeKN&sig=LQA63OUatjYs5wzhlzElyb0BG1g&hl=en&ei=_y3NToDLM8q28QPF-rXkDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&sqi=2&ved=0CGkQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=egusi%20yoruba&f=false

afam4eva:
I also curled this from wikipedia:

ọgbọnọ (Igbo)/apọn (Yorùbá), or ewédú

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eba

Ogbono is apon and that is why I said ogbono DID NOT ORIGINATE FOR ALAIGBO

lets talk of egusi here

what does it mean in Igbo Language ?

afam4eva:
Egusi is native to Igbos. Read this: http://www.imdiversity.com/villages/global/Global_Kitchen/EgusiSoup.asp

dude don't show me links that the person is propably ignorant about

I brought out link from brazil to england to america to senegal to Nigeria and northern Nigeria you ar showing a cook book who NEVER STUDIED HISTORY

Moreove this what you link said "especially" What does that tell you ? Does it say it orignated from there

By Chidi Asika-Enahoro

yorubas making Okro soup

now someone is tell me otherwise

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ddL44UDqyu8C&pg=PA55&dq=okro+soup+yoruba&hl=en&ei=GizNTrbCN4mP8gOM7fzGDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CEEQ6AEwAjgU#v=onepage&q=okro%20soup%20yoruba&f=false

even in brazil they still give credit for apon intorduced by the yorubas

in my previous link, it is there

here is another one

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=g9Uu6fLlbuMC&pg=PA60&dq=okro+soup+yoruba&hl=en&ei=GizNTrbCN4mP8gOM7fzGDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDYQ6AEwADgU#v=onepage&q=okro%20soup%20yoruba&f=false

For yoruba folk who have lost touch with there history

there is a yoruba song/ folk tale has has dated back 600-1 thousand years ago

and even benin republic people and togo still sing the song today

tell me how can ogbono/apon come from igbo when back them there was not contact with igbos

[flash=300,300]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCWVipbM-aU&feature=related[/flash]

Just to show you that Ogbono/Apon did NOT ORGINATE FROM IGBO

read this, the Lucumis of brazil discussed about it

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=EJzHiqBPJCoC&pg=PA65&dq=okro+soup+yoruba&hl=en&ei=iynNTtyRH8aY8QOIzbzGDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=okro%20soup%20yoruba&f=false