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NRI PRIEST:
Igbo people call head tie "ichafu isi", yorubas call it gele.
A[b]nd what is that outfit Fashola is wearing
Ezeagu,thanks for posting that Fashola pics!! Let me see what will happen no[/b]w !!

It is not ezeage but Me that posted the picture. Or your hate for me has blinded you to that as well

I don't understand why Igbos on this thread are fighting. Where it is aku isi or gele. Head gear is head gear. Really you people are funny

some call this hate

other call this bigotry

but what is it is what it is.

Should I say gele is of igbo origin ? when i know it is not. D'is see me see trouble

ezeagu:
Very knowledgable of history aren't you? 9th century Igbo-Ukwu, the home of Nigerian bronze (and the oldest fly-whisk) was influenced by a non-existent Benin with a non-existent empire with a non-existent Oba with a non-existent bronzing tradtion in the 800s.

Again:

True, the Empire in ala igbo were the first to build bronze in southern Nigeria.

I was discussing that with Ndu chuks on the other thread

NRI PRIEST:
Alh harem, have you been following this thread ?? You are not a man of integrity!! You are a liar,you are biased to the highest heavend and you are a compulsive tribalist!!! And please stop deceiving yourself by saying u are related to Igbos!! You are a very disgusting fool!!! U reeks of hate against the Igbos but if you continue like this you will never achieve anything in life!! YOU ARE A BLOODY STINKING AND UNREPENTANT IGBO HATING LIAR!!!

Hater, IF YOU TELL ME HOW, I WOULD DELETE MY ACCOUNT RIGHT NOW !!!!

HOW , I am waiting

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=807895.msg9605442#msg9605442 date=1321922528]and copy them  

sooner or later, agbada and gele will be touted as traditional igbo clothing.[/quote]actually, Yorubas have copied Igbo dressing as well. Lets not make it like it is only one way

this is fashola, unless you want to tell me what this is named in yoruba

[img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTAKnWqy3LVWQIIFn1H_T1Yzasc5-lIaZ20ur-Osp5GemFxudU-oQ[/img]

Andre Uweh:
@Alh Harem, FL Gators is right. The girl in that picture is a nairalander.

Hmm very good and she is beautiful as well.

God as truly blessed Ndi igbo people

NRI PRIEST:
Sorry, I think the hat the groom on the second pix is wearing is the only yoriba influence there.

Agbada is a form of babban riga but NOT babban riga

odumchi:
Every culture has it's own form of head ties. No one culture invented the head-tie. That's like asking who invented the boat.

Very true

but each culture invented DIFFERENT types and the differences are there for us to see. is it not ?

NRI PRIEST:
Would you please explain to my confused mind whats so yoruba about the attire ? Did yoruba invent agbada ?? Am sure they didnt,so, why did you keep calling it yorubas ??

But it was orginally a hausa cloth, the agbada is different from babban riga most especially that type

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=807895.msg9605368#msg9605368 date=1321921554]That's an Igbo/Igbo wedding. Get your story str8.
Even the chick is a Nler.

I made the mistake of posting him as a Yoruba man on one thread, come see insult
PS: Their infos are online, check them up.[/quote]I don't want to believe that. Ileke-idi, they would curse you if it is true. I done warn you

ezeagu:
Maybe if we develop a word for jeans in Igbo, then Igbo children can later claim their ancestors invented jeans.

KAKInwoke jean

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=807895.msg9605346#msg9605346 date=1321921281]^ you are not serious.
these look like America to u?

Igbo chief wearing agbada 
www.nairaland.com/attachments/564817_obi_of_onisha_jpg7f6881ce6743b238073d68f43b0b0039
yoruba native attire
https://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41337000/jpg/_41337340_cup.jpg[/quote]that is not the igbo man, that is the yorubaman wearing agbada in a Yoruba - Igbo wedding.

what annoys me the most is how they get all emotional on facts. I do not post out of my head without searching

Moreover if I am wrong, I IMMEDIATELY APOLOGISE , No one is above mistakes. Insisted this people result in all form of insults only for them to login with a different login to bash other. LOL.

noiseless:
TUFIAKWA!AND GOD FORBID THAT GREEN SNAKE IN GREEN GRASS AKA ALHJ_HARAM,I REJECT THAT AGAIN AND AGAIN COS IT WILL NEVER BE CASE AND GOD WILL CONTINUE PUNISHING HIM HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE FOR HIS HATES BOTH IN THE HIDEN AND IN THE OPEN.   TUFIAKWA AS MANY TIMES AS HIS HATES AND PLOTS.

you want to curse abi.

so you can not discuss without sounding like a bigoted ideeiot chasing alj haram all about. What is your fixation on alj haram ? What has he done to you ?. The curse shall go to you and ur family not alj harem. ideeiot

Do get me angry. Moreover I don't have High blood pressure on Igbos. I am part Igbo myself and have igbos in my family

so grow up and stop acting like a curse person.

we can always agree to disagree. It is a public forum. Stop chasing alj harem all about ok !

Next time you do that, don't even borther reading the cultural section. very immature kid

stillwater:
Maybe that was in the past, the lace the OP posted in the first page is from Europe o. That's the lace I'm talking about.
The paper-textured gele was an Igbo or South/south thing. . .and those are imported too from Asia o.
This is the paper/nylon gele I'm talking. What do they call them anyway?

[img]http://3.bp..com/-ERIHla7jXjE/Tkw23rbkjRI/AAAAAAAAAD8/g7HbLy7EWCQ/s1600/gele-photoshoot-behind-the-scenes32.jpg
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You were more likely to see that on an South Eastern or South south person in the 80's with George material. Nowadays everyone wears george, lace, aso-oke etc. Only that we don't sew it in the stereotypical style of double wrapper, lace top and puffy sleeves.
The only thing Yoruba can claim is aso oke and adire.

I looked at your link, where does it talk about the paper-gele?

Nywanne. I love the way you came back.   

is paper headgear you are refering about the same as the nylon or synthetic headgear ?
if so it is of a recent invertion from the original gele and made from nylon to reduce cost

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=807895.msg9604778#msg9604778 date=1321913007]and you are?

how can you explain what you're ignorant about?

typical nl!!![/quote]Haba, Iya, e ma bi nu. Yes it was not the nupes but the yorubas, my mistake.

I am not trying to down grade the yorubas either.

Yoruba people found colour/ dye called adire for clothing.

se e bi nu se mi mor

odumchi:
Just to point out a few misconceptions. Cloth didnt necessarily enter Nigeria through colonialism.

Yes correct sir

odumchi:
Cloth has been in Igboland for thousands of years. However this type of cloth was not patterned and was usually white or tan. In this time, cloth was used in covering adloscent private parts. For example, adolescent girls would wear a cloth wrapper around their waist in addition to beads. In this time period, only dignified women (queens, princesses etc.) would cover their bosoms with cloth.

No sir, even clothing did not enter Nigeria for thousands of YEARS. The off white unpattern cloth was started by nupe people which was about 900 years ago to a 1000 years.

this was passed to the yorubas then passed to the bini then igbos which happened of resent

odumchi:
Just to point out a few misconceptions. Cloth didnt necessarily enter Nigeria through colonialism. Cloth has been in Igboland for thousands of years. However this type of cloth was not patterned and was usually white or tan. In this time, cloth was used in covering adloscent private parts. For example, adolescent girls would wear a cloth wrapper around their waist in addition to beads. In this time period, only dignified women (queens, princesses etc.) would cover their bosoms with cloth.

However, multicoloured cloth actually appeared in the 1600s. By this time, those who were wealthy enough to afford it wore multicoloured cloth and those who couldnt resorted to ordinary cloth or animal hide.

In the 1700s, different types of coloured cloth were already well established. Some communities in South eastern Nigeria even produced and distributed their own types of coloured cloth. By the early 1900s, we see the formation of the type of traditional clothes now recognized as Igbo. It was in the early 1900s that Igbo women started wearing head-ties aka "aku isi" and a second wrapper andd Igbo men began wearing Isiagu and other articles of clothing.

So in short, the rumour that Igbo people, or another South Eastern people for that matter, were Unclad prior to 1900 isnt true.
The attire shown in this photo is dated to around the 1800s.

The pciture is from a Nolly wood movie. I can show you pictures from 18th centruy people.

Moreover, there are records I can show you as well but I don't want to hurt anyones feelings

Andre Uweh:
Am sorry for unleashing this high messengers on you. No harm meant, and nothing will happen to you. Just to shake you a little bit about what you said about Igbo women. Ndigbo interested in this thread will not be happy with what you wrote about the Igbo women earlier. You can see some of them have started complaining. Pleae be careful about what you say about Igbo people, who are also a part of your blood.
Ndo.

Thank you brother, Apologises accepted

I am not trying to downgrade Ndi igbo here. I have left tribalism, you need to know that

I was trying to explain how clothing happened and you started insulting me. I am hurt nwanne/brother You my friend andre, i mean shocked as well

it is alright brother.



Should I show you some of the articules I got from the precolonial era thing so you can see that I am not lying. Is ndi igbo not better than those that had clothes then ? So don't worry this is just history we are talking about

Ofcourse today in Nigeria, Ndi igbo women have the most flamboyant and colourful dress sense which I AND CHYZ agreed to.

Nwanne Andre, I am waiting. I don't understand how uncultured a man can be

Martmore:
Cha cha cha igbo kwenu, why is it dat akpata oyi catches some people when dey hear or feel d presence of igbos.Some even open their mouth talk say when dem dey wear cloth, igbo people dey waka Unclad for forest,hmm.I wan make una find way read "the interesting narrative of the life of olaudah equiano" , an igbo slave that was sold to the caribean and the first black man to publish a book.In his book, if narrated how the women weaved cloths from cotton and even dyed them plus other interesting facts of how the igbos lived during the 18th century.ehee , lets i forget e be like say some people never hear of the akwete cloth woven by the ndoki and asa people as far back as the 19th century.

I would advice you to take the adivce I gave andre uweh

If you do not know the history of cloth making in Nigeria, JUST KEEP SHUT OR RATHER CALL YOUR DIETIES LIKE ANDRE AND START YOU INCARNATIONS.

Andre Uweh:
I call upon Amadioha, Ala Ogbaga, ajana, arusi Isinweke, Agbara nsu, oti mma nkwu and all the messengers of eastern Nigeria to turn your brains to foolishness.

LOL what did I do wrong

you can correct me if I am wrong, that is what a forum is for.

I though you said you were a Christian, why calling all those deities

eh andre, well You know who protects me. Allah/ God

and if you don't retract that statement, I can further explain

[quote author=Francis-1 link=topic=807758.msg9604638#msg9604638 date=1321910816]What was that?[/quote]a non indigene that is just coming to the area and spend 5 years then decides to go for an election because he has money.

[quote author=Francis-1 link=topic=807758.msg9604310#msg9604310 date=1321906837]
No. Not justifying anything. GEJ is surely not doing enough in general but he cannot take all the blame, at least not for the topic we are discussing here. I no gree that one. Thank you

What stopped Shagari, Obasanjo and Yaradua (all democratic presidents) from sending such a bill to the parliament? What stopped Okadigbo, Nnamani, Anyim and now David Mark from championing such a bill? What stopped Bankole from doing same? [b]The Indigene/Settler issue in Nigeria is a gun powder nobody wants to explode in their face. Tinubu is only mouthing. He cannot achieve it, otherwise he has to explain why his ward Fasola sent non-indigenes out of Lagos. Same also goes for Orji in Abia State.

I, personally STRONGLY support the abolishing of the indigene/settler brouhaha. But how many Nigerians do, seeing the perceived fear of domination by settlers in many different places in Nigeria.[/quote]domination of settlers

i rather say domination of a great war.

Who like to be controlled by a non-JJC indigene ? You because not me

You would be shocked at the level of which people would defend there turf, some would even result to cannibalism as the case of Beroms

PointB:
It is not good to kill anyone (Northerners or Southerners); and frankly that is the problem most southerners majorly have with the North. Why all these killing every now and then? Why is their no such killings in the South? Don't you find that baffling?

Point B, Don't let Niaraland decieve you. There is a lot of killing in the south as well.

The problem southern have with northerners is different to each region.

The yorubas because, they don't like playing second fiddle

the igbos because of the war which was a very painful and sad event

the south-south because of the oil that they want to have it all to themselves and the north is extra 60 million mouths to feed.

what else. But one thing you fail to realise is that even the so called southern Nigeria is FAR WORSE than the northern nigeria.

Let me give you an example.

How many militant groups do you find in the north compare to the south ?

The amount of militancy is directlly proportional to the level of violence in each region.

That is why i kept saying Boko haram is a Nigerian problem rather than push it to the north.

No one likes to die whether in the north or in the south. Everyone wants peace and enjoyment while we spend our vain lifes on earth. But in Nigeria, we have some certain elements among us in each group that have forgotten the vanity to life and they use gullible youths like those of us we see on Nairaland who already had the tendecy to be bigoted to be manupulated by them for there own personal gains and power.

PointB:
To protest against losing power and to make GEJ regime meaningless; but in their miscalculation, they might just hasten the disintegration of the country.

and u think the best way to do that is to kill northerners as well ?

PointB:
Who doesn't know that the Northern leaders and elders are in league with Boko Harem.
Let's see how far this macabre dance of death will lead us.

How can northern leader[b]s[/b] and elder[b]s[/b] set up an organisation just to be killing us ?

I feel sorry for the state of security in Nigeria and especially Lagos

Chxta, I pray Allah would return ur valuables for you back in folds.

igbo women during aba riot wearing aso oko AFTER THE AMAGAMTION OF Nigeria. LOve the women


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Before this, most igbo clans were nake or used leaves, I ma sure you watch nollywood as well

Here another ORIGNIAL GELE before the cheaper synthetic although better gele was imported from austria, china etc

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stillwater:
Only the Igbos/South -south used to wear George in the past. For women, they tie the george as a wrapper and use lace as a top. Today, any female can use george and sew it to any style they want.

In the past also, Yorubas stuck to Aso-oke gele, Igbo people stuck to this paper-textured head-tie (don't know the name). Today everyone uses that paper-textured head-tie.

Very wrong madam, the so called wrapper by the south-south or Igbos were introduced by the binis through the Nupes and Igalas in the 18th century

People back then in the region use to wear leaves or maximum animal skins.

Today not everyone uses the paper-textured head gear. In fact the paper texture head gear are the imported ones gotten from the yoruba people but modified because Head gears is hard to make and uses alot of cotton.

The paper is a cheaper way of making head gear.

Do you even know that it was also introduced to the ashanti by the hausa and yorubas in the 17-18 century

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MhOJheUc4pkC&pg=PA184&dq=gele+headgear&hl=en&ei=S6zKTqW1HYTq8QPS9NG5Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=gele%20headgear&f=false



Per conlonial Nigeria before Igbo yoruba and kanuri knew each other

this was kanuri/ northern dressing in the 14 century

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This was the benin in the 16 th century or so

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Queen Amina head gear back in the 12th century

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stillwater:
Not true. The lace in Nigeria is from Europe, especially Austria. What Yorubas can claim is Aso-Oke, adire. Those are the two I know of. It's just like Nigerians claiming ankara.

Only the Igbos/South -south used to wear George in the past. For women, they tie the george as a wrapper and use lace as a top. Today, any female can use george and sew it to any style they want.

In the past also, Yorubas stuck to Aso-oke gele, Igbo people stuck to this paper-textured head-tie (don't know the name). Today everyone uses that paper-textured head-tie.

Nope Lace has been a Nigerian thing before it is been mass produced in Europe.

The first set of people to develop clothing are the Nupes which was introduced to hausa, Yoruba, bini, and igala

Lace was also a form of aso oke which is not original yoruba but Nupe.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=5_G3r3ANaZMC&pg=PA174&dq=clothing+yoruba&hl=en&ei=NrDKTvKZB8PL8QOYqoR5&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=clothing%20yoruba&f=false




It was in until the 1970s that Lace the design started getting imported from europe because the production of cloths using the old conversional method took weeks to weave alone.

Here is the cloth gele

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Here is the paper one you were talking about. Acutally made from synethic material such as Nylon

[img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSavT47b1yIr1iFBbA6B5cqNmKdO15iL7rCfhWjTUT-EpwNPe4cRw[/img]

Here is aso Oke

which can be sworn to be gele or buba. It is still the same material

[img]http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRG7xfrzq0q1xs3QViy5-K22vfCMvjrdAAt7Ztst_XKNuCwmRk_[/img]


Also called shine-shine aso oke aka the nylon or paper gele you were talking about

expert555:
@still water
Well done your analysis

Actually she is wrong,

Aigbofa:
Lagoon state ko, Atlantic ocean state ni.

it is true