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 Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Simple Faith In The Finished Work Of Christ. by An2elect2(op): 11:25am On May 06, 2017 |
Pchinak:It's so sad that you fit the definition of a law keeping Pharisaical Christian. Why do you want to glory before God by all means? Is it possible to work something yourself and give God the glory? Don't deceive yourself it is not possible! In as much as the Christian has a responsibility or responsibilities, he is not to rely on his "strength or ability" (which are weaknesses anyway). It is by grace through faith that he must be preserved. This is the SPIRIT-WALKING the Bible is talking of. Christianity is not a "play your part and God plays His" The Christian must trust in God completely to live or do anything. He cannot do anything including subjecting his body except SOLELY BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH. Any other means or addition is WALKING IN THE FLESH. and in case you have tried letting go of your "strength" to rely on the grace of God and still have no experience of this power over sin, it means it's time to examine yourself to see if Christ is truly inside of you!!! Because if Christ(the embodiment of grace) is inside of you, you WILL NOT CONTINUE IN SIN. Galatians 3:1-14 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident:for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. 1Corinthians 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Ephesians 3:7 Of which I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Simple Faith In The Finished Work Of Christ. by An2elect2(op): 7:10pm On May 05, 2017 |
Pchinak:"Work out your salvation" is so different from "Work for your salvation". To "work out" means to bear fruits of salvation. But still yet, it isn't you that bears fruits but God. There are two things in the Bible that are both true. Our responsibility and God's grace and will. For example, we were all commanded to obey the gospel but not all of us will. That's why we would each give account in the last day. Those who obey have no power to obey of themselves but by grace through faith and by the Sovereign will of God, they obey and are saved. It is in the same line, that they are asked to "work out" their salvation but not forgetting the other truth, which is that God is the one who works in them to will and to do. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Simple Faith In The Finished Work Of Christ. by An2elect2(op): 5:30pm On May 05, 2017*. Modified: 8:29pm On May 05, 2017 |
paxonel:Thank you for this important question. Before I say more, I want us to look at these things very diligently because they are not common things. It's either we make our election sure or continue being deceived by our proud hearts. It is true that whosoever believes in Christ has eternal life. And it is also true that the faith that leads to salvation is of God. Now believing in the finished work of Christ is possible through mental persuasion. You believe it in your head and still remain unsaved because it is with heart that we must believe and be saved. Romans 10:9 Yes the heart-believing! This isn't what you can do! Only God can wrought faith in you. How? Remember your heart is naturally wicked, deceitful and hard. It can't produce faith in God but it can deceive you into thinking you have the real thing! For anyone to believe unto salvation he/she must be given a new heart of faith. And this is solely the work of God. Jeremiah 24:7 I will give them a heart to know Me, for I am the LORD; and they will be My people, and I will be their God, for they will return to Me with their whole heart. Ezekiel 36:26 Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God. Ezekiel 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and put a new spirit within them And I will take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh We must believe in our hearts before we declare we are saved. Romans 10:9-11 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Paul isn't outlining a pattern for us to follow to obtain salvation but is simply saying how salvation works. Salvation isn't our work but God's work in totality. IT IS GOD THAT WORKS IN US TO DO AND TO WILL. of ourselves we cannot be saved Romans 10:14-21 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people. the people who obeyed the gospel were not seeking God! But they found God! Those whom God revealed Himself to were not asking God for it! How come!!!! Only one person can do this! John1:10-13 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. My dear only God knows those He has chosen from the foundation of the world. We were only told that whosoever believes in Christ is saved (i. e how to identify those sovereignly chosen by God) but we were not told who and who consists of this whosoever but one thing that is very clear is that the elect of God are those who would believe! And their faith won't be a simple one but a saving faith! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Simple Faith In The Finished Work Of Christ. by An2elect2(op): 5:19pm On May 05, 2017 |
Pchinak:True and it is God that works in us to will and to do. Philippians 2:13. |
| Christianity Etc › The Deception Of Simple Faith In The Finished Work Of Christ. by An2elect2(op): 4:43pm On May 05, 2017 |
Most times people in reaction to legalistic law keeping Pharisaical Christians (who subtly deny the grace of God and seek to obtain righteousness through the law thereby denying the finished work of Christ on the cross.) make phrases like this: THE CHRISTIAN LIFE IS SIMPLE. CHRIST HAS ACCOMPLISHED EVERYTHING. THE ONLY THING IS SIMPLE FAITH IN THE FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST. Wheew! Now what's wrong with this? Isn't this what salvation is about? Yes there isn't anything wrong with Faith in Christ and His finished work. After all we are saved by grace through faith. We are justified by faith. We live by faith etc However there is a big difference between SIMPLE FAITH and SAVING FAITH. and you guessed right, it's SAVING FAITH the Bible is talking of! Saving faith is simply a faith that is authored by God, comes from God and is perfected by God. It is a faith that conforms us to Christ and through it we learn obedience. This saving faith is not inborn i.e It isn't natural. It does not come by mental persuasion but by (spirit) hearing of the word of God. It is a gift GIVEN WHEN THE MAN IS NOT SEARCHING. We can't prompt God for it. It happens "out of the blue". An unexpected quickening. Can someone believe in the finished work of Christ and still not be saved? POSSIBLE. There are many with such faith but have no experience of the new life. They walk about trusting in their faith in the finished work ~~faith in faith~~ (*shudders*) It is because of such, that many legalistic law keeping Christians question Christ's grace. A man says he believes in the finished work of Christ and he believes salvation is by grace. But this man has not the substance of the hope he professes. There was never a time he saw how sinful he was, mourned over his sins and had a changed mind and will. This man has never been brought to his knees before a Holy God. Deception is very real. And if any man thinks he is above deception, he has not known anything. That's why we are to prayerfully examine ourselves in the light of the scriptures. Salvation isn't something you "decide to have" Faith isn't something you can will. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Chris Okotie Attacks TB Joshua Over Israel Relocation by An2elect2(f): 2:49pm On May 04, 2017 |
mastermaestro:Blessed are you! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Today I Quit Going To Church: It's All A Sham by An2elect2(f): 9:15am On May 04, 2017*. Modified: 2:12pm On May 04, 2017 |
michaelwestern:  Thank you. R.C. Sproul. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdities Of Free Will. by An2elect2(op): 6:55pm On May 02, 2017 |
Julivas:I am who I am by the grace of God |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Catholicism by An2elect2(f): 7:46pm On May 01, 2017 |
Empredboy:Empredboy there is a difference between fellowship and ministration. True , Christ came for sinners not self righteous sinners |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdities Of Free Will. by An2elect2(op): 5:35pm On May 01, 2017 |
Julivas:Hi. Same to you! 2Corinthians 5:15 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again. Notice: His death alone is the reason they would no longer live for themselves. It is not whether they will or will not it is that they will certainly live for him. His death was not to make us "savable" but to save us. What then? some are not saved! Is God a liar? God forbid. If we have seen that Christ's death is enough to save a sinner without any contribution from him (be it his will or work) then it must follow that Christ did not die for everyman. So all must mean "all his elect/sheep" and not "all individuals" [At first glance it seems this verse supports the freewiller's stance but when we weigh it in the light of the complete word of God, we see what it truly means.] Revelation 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your bloodyou purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation. Matthew 1:21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he willsave his peoplefrom their sins.” John 10:15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. John 6:37-40 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” Isaiah 53:8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away. Yet who of his generation protested? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was punished. Isaiah 53:1,12 After he has suffered, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities. Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. 2 Corinthians 5:21 He made Him (Christ) who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” Christ became a substitute for many. In that instead of them bearing their sins he bore all for them. It was on the cross that all their sins where judged. They cannot be judged for sin again. It is finished! "Bible reveals Jesus’ death on the cross was intentional and had a definite purpose that it succeeded in accomplishing" FREE WILL PUTS GOD AT THE MERCY OF MEN(God is placed on trial) BUT GRACE PUTS MEN AT THE MERCY OF GOD. I am who I am by the grace of God. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Nigeria’ll Lose If TB Joshua Yields To Israeli Calls To Relocate To Galilee by An2elect2(f): 10:49am On May 01, 2017 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Today I Quit Going To Church: It's All A Sham by An2elect2(f): 8:32am On May 01, 2017*. Modified: 10:41am On May 01, 2017 |
FellaL:If we are talking of God's free will, then I believe. But "man's free will" is an illusion. My hope is in Christ and not my enslaved will |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Today I Quit Going To Church: It's All A Sham by An2elect2(f): 12:19am On May 01, 2017 |
CandidSeeker:The scriptures are very clear to everyone that has eyes. And they are to be interpreted wholly...precepts upon precepts. I perceive your heart is made up but beware, you have a wrong view of the gospel 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdities Of Free Will. by An2elect2(op): 12:14am On May 01, 2017 |
CandidSeeker:Free will is a damnable heresy. It's no gospel at all. Beware. If you call that a Spirit-led analogy then you know nothing of what the Bible is saying. Sad! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Today I Quit Going To Church: It's All A Sham by An2elect2(f): 10:50pm On Apr 30, 2017*. Modified: 1:16am On May 01, 2017 |
CandidSeeker:Oh the ignorance!!!  The beginning part of 1Corinthians 10 is talking of how some of the Israelites lusted after evil things, were idolaters, fornicated and were slain by God in the wilderness. Paul wasn't saying not doing these things would save us (how could he contradict himself when salvation is by grace). He was saying they were pointers to how we ought to live as Christians. We who have been saved by grace have no business with such lives anymore as such things are opposed to the character and holiness of God. We are not to follow their ways or continue in sin else our salvation becomes questionable.1 Corinthians 10:6-11 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. What does Paul mean by [u] Wherefore let him that thinks he stands take heed lest he fall in vs 12? First It doesn't mean when we sin we lose our salvation. We can't lose something that is dependent on the grace of God. We were not granted salvation because we "stopped sinning" Salvation was given as a free gift with no conditions to be met by the sinner. Therefore he can't lose it on condition of sin. Paul was saying let no man think he can't be tempted because he is in Christ. We are not beyond temptation and can still yield to our body of sin. But here is the promise and assurance of the believer right in vs 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above what that ye are able, but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that yet may be able to bear it The Christian's life rests upon the faithfulness and promises of God not his weak will and sinful flesh. And since God cannot fail, we are assured of our salvation. Afterward Jesus finds him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee - John 5:14Scripture should interpret itself. "Sin no more" is the tone of the law, our school master that points us to the saviour. It tells us what to do and not do but has no power to make us righteous or "sin no more" Its only Christ that has this power. Hence, Christ was leading the man to himself because if that man must "sin no more" he would need only Christ to do that Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven - Matt.7:21True! Those who do the will of the Father are those who believe in Christ not their righteous will or self And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day John 6:40. But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. - Eze.18:24Isn't this enough reason for anyone to give up on self righteousness and embrace Christ alone? Today you keep the law, tomorrow you break it. The one you failed to keep would void the ones you kept. We have 613 laws, and the only way to keep the law perfectly is to not break any one at any point of your lifetime. (The Law comes as a whole. You break one=You break all) Therefore you have been asked to turn away from evil but you can't. You have no power to do that. Your Saviour and power is Christ Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: - Ephesians 4:13-15You got your doctrines wrong sir! You have the cart before the horse! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Today I Quit Going To Church: It's All A Sham by An2elect2(f): 10:40pm On Apr 30, 2017 |
CandidSeeker:Being commanded to turn from your ways is not tantamount to having the power to. We were born wayward, in sin and with a straying will. Without grace our wills are useless in salvation. Can an Ethiopian change his skin or a leopard its spots? Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil. Jeremiah 13:23 there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. Romans 3:11 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin. Romans 3:20 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God's mercy. Romans 9:16. And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others. Ephesians 2:1-3 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Today I Quit Going To Church: It's All A Sham by An2elect2(f): 7:57pm On Apr 30, 2017*. Modified: 1:10am On May 01, 2017 |
The Op is a product of the freewill heretical gospel! You came to God on your own? friend, I have no doubt you will leave sooner or later. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Bishop Tom Samson Wins "Best Pastor Of The Year" Award, Poses In His Limousine by An2elect2(f): 5:43pm On Apr 30, 2017 |
iwadobo:Lol if only they know that those places they call "church" were never recognised by God in the first place |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdities Of Free Will. by An2elect2(op): 3:52pm On Apr 30, 2017*. Modified: 4:47pm On Apr 30, 2017 |
Julivas:Hi happy Sunday! I appreciate your willingness and contribution. To the issue... Your analogy however downplayed the seriousness of the matter. It made it a question of "good" or "better" and not life or death. The lack that the wealthy man is covering for is a lack of want and not need! There isn't really nothing at stake if it's rejected. Summarily, it didn't cover the principle of sin, grace, death and life. And what you are implying is that CHRIST'S DEATH ISNT ENOUGH. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: For God So Loved The World??? Casting Down False Imaginations by An2elect2(f): 12:32pm On Apr 30, 2017 |
Paul's gospel is Christ's gospel for the Jews and the gentiles. You can't be saved without this gospel |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdities Of Free Will. by An2elect2(op): 11:05am On Apr 30, 2017 |
uzoclinton:Free will gospel is so weird and in direct opposition to the gospel of grace. This is an analogy of Sufficient payment that does not cover wholly the activities of sin, the gospel, election and judgement but hit the nail right on the head. Supposing a man receives a message that his unborn son would have to be punished for all his wrong doings in his life time by the community. And the payment is gruesome. The father seats down and counts the cost of all his son's sins and decides to bear it. Now he wants a replacement for his son. And decides to be the substitute. Instead of his son bearing the cost, he decides to bear all of it. He meets the elders in the community. And after weighing the matter carefully, they agree to punish the man instead of his son. The man is beaten up, humiliated, wounded, killed and put where his son would have been and on his account are the sins of his son fully paid. In future, his son is born. And when he is of age, people would come to tell him what his father did for him and how he was freed by his father's death. The community would not punish the son again because his father has borne it. If they punish him that would be UNJUST. Here is what is going to be absurd. On one hand are people telling the son that his father's death had freed him and he would never go through what his father went through no matter what happens because his father calculated the cost of all his sins and bore them. He (the son) would not suffer anymore for his sins but live to be eternally grateful to his father and LOVE HIS FATHER. And then, on the other hand supposing some strange people come to tell the son that THOUGH his father died for all his sins, but IF he doesn't accept(which is a sin) what he did and/or IF he still sins after what his father did, HE WOULD BEAR THE COST OF HIS SINS THE FATHER HAS BORNE. ^^ It sounds ridiculous and no good news at all! But that's what we hear everyday in our churches, on the pulpits, on the roads, from evangelists. They are preaching another gospel which is no gospel(good News) at all. It's heresy and the peddlers of such gospels are accursed. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdities Of Free Will. by An2elect2(op): 8:50am On Apr 30, 2017 |
onyenze123:If it's a matter of insufficiency: That is that Christ died for Mr A and Mr A still has no hope except he exercises his enslaved will (freewillers think it's free not bound) then Christ cannot be the Lord or Savior of Mr A but Mr A's "righteous choice". And if it's a matter of Christ not dying for everyone, thats then a matter of Sovereign choice. And who are we to dictate for God who He should have mercy on! God exercising His power and Sovereign choice shows He is the Almighty and Decision maker. If He reasons the way we do then He can't be God |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdities Of Free Will. by An2elect2(op): 8:38am On Apr 30, 2017 |
uzoclinton:You are welcome! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdities Of Free Will. by An2elect2(op): 8:37am On Apr 30, 2017 |
Julivas:What I am saying are these: a, Since Jesus's death is sufficient to pay for the sins of all He died for, then all of them would certainly be saved. b, If anyone is not saved at the end, then he isn't one of those Christ died for. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdities Of Free Will. by An2elect2(op): 8:04pm On Apr 29, 2017*. Modified: 8:50pm On Apr 29, 2017 |
freeradical:But by implication you are saying just that. Let's face the matter: Is Christ's death enough for the salvation of a sinner. That's what the Bible says. Then if so, he cannot be saved by his choice but by grace. If I ask you now. Why are you saved and the other not saved. You would say what you have been saying "I did choose to be saved while the other did not choose to be saved" You won't say this "It is Grace that saved me. I am who I am by the grace of God." But that's the difference between self-righteous and true righteousness. If u do not understand what Justification means the church is there to guide you. Be careful on how you interpret scriptural texts lest u become guilty of spreading falsehood as truth. Here below is the truth,(next paragraph) read it carefully and ask d spirit to guide you to understand it for it's a summary of what scripture teaches about our salvation and Justification.[i] Check all my threads. I've become a diligent student of the Bible by God's grace. And what I'm saying is what our fathers in the faith have been saying, they are what the apostle Paul preached, they are what the first Christians knew. Test all I've been saying. Search the scriptures honestly and tell me if I've been lying Everyone must work for his/her own salvation in fear and trembling and it is only the grace of God offered freely (and accepted by free choice by the individual) that will make any man die to sin as Christ died on the cross and rise to eternal life as Christ rose from the dead so that in the end no man will boast that his salvation is as a result of his work.This is what I believed too when I wasn't studying the Bible but I'm now repenting from all of them because they are not scriptural 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdities Of Free Will. by An2elect2(op): 7:44pm On Apr 29, 2017 |
Julivas:You see, it's not your opinion that matters if not God would have asked for it before creating anything. If it's left for us then that means we still have some good in us and that's a lie. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdities Of Free Will. by An2elect2(op): 6:19pm On Apr 29, 2017 |
freeradical:No freewillers are the ones making false unbiblical statements such as *Christ died for all, but not everyone would be saved. Then, It's either Christ's death is insufficient to pay for everyone's sins or He died not for everyone. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdities Of Free Will. by An2elect2(op): 4:43pm On Apr 29, 2017 |
How can anyone who distorts the gospel by adding to it escape the curse placed on preachers of a different gospel. There can't be any praise of God or thanksgiving in the freewiller's heart. All his praise are lip service because he doesn't understand why Christ is called the redeemer and saviour. Instead of grace he sees his "free will". 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdities Of Free Will. by An2elect2(op): 4:31pm On Apr 29, 2017 |
What can be truer than this?
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| Christianity Etc › The Absurdities Of Free Will. by An2elect2(op): 4:16pm On Apr 29, 2017*. Modified: 6:24pm On Apr 29, 2017 |
{{{{{Absurdities}}}}} Isn't this very weird for some evangelicals to claim "free will" is the difference between the saved and unsaved and not grace? Don't you find this weird and an insult to Christ's accomplished work on the cross? How can anyone look at Christ on the cross and say the cross isn't the difference between him/her and the unsaved but "free will"? he sees the cross as a common thing. Absurdity 101 * Jesus died for everyone...but everyone is not saved *Jesus atoned for everyone...but not everyone is atoned for * Jesus redeemed everyone... but everyone is not redeemed * Jesus took away the sin of the world... but the sin of the world takes them to hell What's more absurd than the above statements? Today envangelicals/freewillers are presenting a completely warped and false and distorted picture of the cross and it's actual effects. They deny, I mean they DENY that the cross is the ACTUAL means of accomplished redemption. For these people, the death of Jesus is of itself INSUFFICIENT to save, contrary to the Bible which says that we are reconciled to God BY THE DEATH OF HIS SON. What about the atonement? They say it atoned for all sins except "unbelief" which literally means it didn't atone for All sins. Unbelief is no small sin. How could the blood not have atoned for unbelief too? How would a man stop sinning if it wasn't atoned for? How would a man quit his unbelief if it wasn't atoned for? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Church Members Paying Tithes With POS Inside Church (Photos) by An2elect2(f): 12:28pm On Apr 29, 2017 |
Captain001:Ya. But this is the most convenient platform for me except its a matter of urgency. I've had regrettable experience taking conversation beyond here. Hope you understand. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Church Members Paying Tithes With POS Inside Church (Photos) by An2elect2(f): 11:07pm On Apr 28, 2017 |
Captain001:Yes you are right that's why I put the first Christianity in quotes |
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