₦airaland Forum

Odunayaw:
What do you think about the Guatemalan kaibiles

They have a reputation.

newafricaken254:
Is the american military telling us the whole truth,the widow of the last fallen american soldier.say's that she was not allowed to open the coffin,was the american soldier captured and executed ,his corpse desecrated by the attackers or wild animals and vultures feasted on his body considering it took 48 hours to find his body !?

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fGbvTnHoIE

He probably really messed up after lay dead for 2 days.

frumentius:
Yep. At work I can log on to the US Army War College and read them. Hardly the nefarious endeavour that Putin the Thug's propaganda arm, Russia Today is making it out to be.
Dare I say, anyone at the SA Military Academy can and do produce simulated plans for SANDF invasions of various African countries.
It's nothing more than an interesting intellectual exercise which all professional militaries should do.

Yeah I am sure we have plans for Invading and being invaded.

Whyem15:
US is already working on a plan to invade West Africa. Most likely Nigeria. You might see this as just a war game, but after having a plan such as this, they only need orders to invade.

Don't think you special, the USA has a plan to invade every country even Canada there even have a plan for a zombie out break or alien invasion

Kalapizim:
just thinking, Is it possible to have a silencer on a shot gun.

Yes you can but why would you.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFFAcHQE8xg

kikuyu1:
Thanks,but the pic is slightly unclear! I was about to ask,btw,why I've never seen a single shottie in all the 0000's of Saffer pics. Do you know Indians don't use them in their NE jungle against Naxalites thanks to NGO/ISPCA/PTA noise. Where's this?

Probably the border. I know border patrols have shot guns for the same reason a fully equipped native Harbour patrol boat has 1. Prisoner management.


Rushing a guard with a shot gun means he can put down multiple people with one shot a day in his state of panic even if he hip fires he will hit them.

Border patrols all so carry a R1 in areas with dangerous animals.



Shot guns have a very limited use in war. Hence they not seen often.

jakeporeshenko:
Proforce Armoured helux already saving lives of troops on the frontlines

A cheap and effective light Tatical vehicle.

Henry240:
Which is exactly what an LAV is, hence my support for it.

A lav is a light Armoured vehicle they typically weigh 10 tons

Henry240:
No Sir, i am stating my point of view as it regards to Nigeria. How i feel a Nigerian quick deployment should look like.

You would carry 2 LAVs for every C-130, same figure for vehicles like the Hilux. Not the same thing for a vehicle like an MRAP which might not be needed on such a deployment.

Say Gambia as an example, MRAPs are not needed, what actually is required is an LAV, while the army's logistics command goes about sorting out how they would be able to transport the rest of the military's heavy armour.

My point is looking at deployments from a Nigerian perspective where cost, lift, rapid response and crew protection are challenges, and how the Nigerian military can deal with these using LAVs.

English is my home langue
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/make+an+argument

You making a argument.


You can easily carry 2 MRAPs in a c 130 the mamba for example is under 7 tons combat load


You don't need a MRAP until you need it. But your argument is that the lav is better because it is lighter and easier to support. This is incorrect.

Henry240:
Hence my comment refers to Nigeria and no country else.

And even with Nigeria nothing is stopping you from getting a lighter MRAP that easier to transport and support. As I said you can vase it of a Toyota land cruiser.

Henry240:
This is my point, this picture is where my post for LAVs comes in.

What is good for Nigeria for quick response.

Not my fault you have only a big MRAP. I mean you could build a MRAP based on a Toyota land cruiser. Not every MRAP needs to be able to stop 500kg blast.

Henry240:
I'm not making an argument.

My statement clearly refers to Quick Response and the deployment of armour as a case study for Nigeria's future deployments. With emphasis on lift, cost and Quick response.

Now, it seems most of you lot went to school at night, hence you find it quite difficult to understand my post and see that i am referring to Nigeria.

My use of France and the difficulties the French faced in deploying to Mali only further underscores why i believe a country like Nigeria should invest in LAVs. As i believe a C-130 should be able to carry the same amount of LAVs per Utility truck.

The term making a argument is what you doing. You bring points that show why you think some is is correct. So yes you making a argument.



You will carry 0ne to two LAV per c130. Same amount as a MRAP, said MRAP could be based on a all ready used logistcal truck to thus making the support of this QRF force easier to.



We under stand your point just pointing out that you wrong in this king a LAV is easier to deploy than a MRAP hell your MRAP and LAV could be one and the same if you get some thing like the AMV with lighter armor. Even the US Stryker is now incorporating new changes to make it in to a MRAP.

Henry240:
Great, i'm yet to see a single French MRAP in the video. The French who depended quite heavily on thier NATO allies for the transport of heavy armour in Mali. The US, British contributing significant numbers of C-17s to France during Operation Serval.

The French also chartered Russian charter aircrafts to move VABs.

France is not a big user of MRAPs at all. So your point is what.

Henry240:
Thank you.

For every right thinking individual that followed Operation Serval, we could all see the French military struggled to transport heavy armour to Mali. In a region which France considers as it's strong hold, also a region with multiple French bases.

My point is not to compare Nigeria to France, only to state why Nigeria should consider the purchase of LAVs in significant numbers to support Quick Intervention missions, seeing that a major world power such as France also struggled to deploy with it's own capacity to a country in a region where it wields significant influence.

Hence i specifically said, like Algeria, we should try purchase a minimum of 200 LAVs. Which would help us rapidly deploy while the Army sorts out how to transport it's heavy equipment.

How heavy do you think MRAPs are VS a LAV? Your argument makes no sense. If you put forward you wanted a LAV because there increased fire power gave a small QRF better fighting power you would have a point. But since you can carry has many say Mamba Maps per LAV or hell just get a small MRAP like the RG32 now your argument has no leg to stand on.

Algerian1:
he tell the truth , french had difficulty to deploy it armed vehicles , they used US, british , canadian C-17 Globemaster III to transport their ERC-90 Sagaie, AMX-10 RC and VABs . and later the VBCI was sent by logistic ships


Zero heavy tank leclerc ( not adapted for guerilla in desert sahara) , and zéro Mrap until april 2016 when three french soldiers died in an IED(12 april 2016) , they sent only six Aravis (with level 4 mine protection) for IED .

Numbers is the key. France sent a lot of men and materials that needed a lot of support. The real reason there no French MRAPS in Mali is there are no real French MRAPS.

frumentius:
Rwanda's proxy, M23 is largely a spent force and Kagame's western sponsors warned him against reviving it. Uganda has more pressing concerns in Somalia, besides serving as a lucrative conduit for illegally extracted DRC minerals.

It is no secret that the largest source of arms for DRC rebels is corrupt FARDC personnel. The shambolic record-keeping of the FARDC is deliberately maintained so corruption may flourish.

I mean does any one know how long they where there? All so can we confirm there are no more manpads in country.

frumentius:
A SAM-16 Gimlet, found in a FDLR HQ near Mibirubiru, North Kivu Province, DRC.
Missing some components such as the battery, the grip stock as well as the power supply system.

Reports that 4 intact systems have also gone missing from FARDC stocks . Why these were even assigned to units in the Kivus - where belligerents don't fly around - beats me.
Same as the Ukrainian Hinds which initially deployed with ATGMs when cannon and rockets are all that's needed.

Could fear a attack from a out side nation like rawanda or Uganda

lionel4power:
SEAL

SPETNAZ


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TWO OF THE WORLD'S DEADLIEST.

Witch spetnaz. Spetnaz is a term given to ever spealized unit. You could have a accountant spetnaz team. Are these VMF, GRU, VDV lots of options.

patches689:
Special forces were there to prevent infiltration - which they failed abysmally to do.

Mosul had fallen long before ISL "regulars" showed up, most of 3rd Div had moved off to conduct operations in Anbar, leaving special forces and the state security apparatus to hold and clear the rear.

But they failed, there were over 1 500 ISL militants in the city before the actual operation started - leaving the regular army hopelessly outnumbered and massively demoralized by the terror campaign ISL had conducted prior to the semi-conventional invasion. There was only really a battalion of police and army support staff left in the city when the attack went down.

The massive number of Iraqi army prisoners is a result of some super suspicious stuff that went down after Mosul had effectively fallen. Soldiers re-deploying from Anbar were told by senior leadership that they would get a weekends leave and were provided buses to "take them home". Busses """""somehow"""""""" delivered them straight to ISL.

That's not the job of SF. SF are not there to police lines. In South Africa that job is for regular motorized infantry, military police hell normal police.


What they where tasked to do was not a job they could do. They fought a rear guard. A job they not there to do. I won't knock them

patches689:
On an unrelated note?

Remember these assholes? Iraq's super operational operators who operated operationally in operational operations.

And got whooped by some illiterate ISL goon with a room temperature IQ.

Just goes to show: Gucci Kit =/= Gucci Moves

It was actually the Iraq regular army that folded. The special forces are not there to hold front lines.

GreenandGold:
You think it's a South African military thing? When I used to post on Skyscrapercity I would be in trouble with the local security personnel for taking pictures of their shopping centres. I remember two dramatic instances where a guard with an R5 aggressively approached me for taking pictures of a garden outside a casino, the other instance I was taken to administration for "shooting without permission" and they said I was gonna pay a fine of up to R20 000, WTF? Luckily I got away by saying it was for the soccer world cup and tourists wanted to see pictures of the host city.

You'll think South Africa is a progressive country, wait until you hear some of the silly laws.

Actually they can't legally stop you from taking pictures from public ground. Same with the navy issue. The int guys have every right to stop pics being taken in the base but put side is free ground.


Of course there are limitations and you can be qustioned if you taking pics that seem suspicious. Egypt shopping center could of been worried you where scouting the place for criminal purpose.

ActivateKruger:
Then you don't tell us what's happening, this guy. ... What's up with the secrecy, we will bail you out, come on.

You can ask frumentius some things are not said. Rule of thumb is info can be found out with out my help I can give it. There are some things I will never say to a civilian.

ActivateKruger:
The frigates are always going through some kind of maintainance but that's the first time I see such a setup. They're probably getting a paintwork.

What's happening Andrew?

more than paint for that frigate.

ssaengine:
I wonder how many secret Black Hornet type drones the US has buzzing around Kim Jong-Un's kitchen as he makes (or orders someone at gun point) tea.

None. This is a over the hill drone. As in "what's over that hill? O my a seleka ambush"

ActivateKruger:
Since when do we get the cheapest option? We go for the best in the category we want.

Cheaper to buy, cheaper to run, less manpower to run, has more internal volume.


It one and only down size is that it can not fit in side a frigates hanger.



Mi17 is choice if we want lots of helicopters.

frumentius:
You heard it on this thread first .



http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49650:sa-army-keen-on-black-hornet-uav-&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

If they had this in CAR it would of been very use full.

ActivateKruger:
These things literally fell off a Soviet truck in the Angolan bush. We were didn't buy them.

But you don't seem to get it, it's beyond what works and not. It's now about heritage, from the days of the Puma, then Super Puma and now Oryx. People relate to these things, it's the reason why parents take kids to the military demonstrations because there's a story to tell and it's a reason why we're here on this site. There must be continuity, it keeps the the industry flooded with fresh blood who grew an interest in this field after seeing an Orxy dramatically dropping Parabats in a show and a father cheering "this is how we did it".


The EC725 is the next logical evolution of the Oryx. The MK3 should be born from this platform.

Maybe but the fact is the mi17 is the cheaper option and we could get a lot more of them

ActivateKruger:
Do you know how un-SANDF Russian equipment is? We have a standard to keep, myself, Patches and Frumentius don't want it and we somehow sit on the decision making table of the SANDF Nairaland Department

RPG 7

MLRS

AK style rifle

1.45mm anti material rifel

ZSU 23 anti air guns

Extra extra


We use a lot of Russian gear and gear that is similar to what Russia uses. We do t use Russian doctren, Radios, Electrons or training. But using there gear is fine. I mean we should not discount the Mi17. We can get the cheap, we can easily modify them, we all ready do maintenance on them.

This gem I got from a 3rd party it a extract from SA mercy in Angola after 1990s.

As their flight hours accumulated the South Africans became increasingly taken with the Russian helicopter in comparison to what they had flown in the SAAF. Tait said, "and it could do with Western avionics and a more ergonomically-designed cockpit lay-out, but it is far superior to just about anything else in its weight class in a hot and high environment and is capable of carrying heavier loads.


In some respects the Oryx compares favourably to the Mi-17. It is approximately 10,000 pounds lighter at maximum all up weight and can carry comparable loads at reasonable distances. The Oryx's shortcomings versus the Mi-17 are its limited cargo space and the need for many more skilled technicians to keep it maintained properly. Whereas the Mi-17 is a very rugged and robust helicopter with good serviceability in the field and capable of taking a real hammering-qualities that saved our lives more than once-the Oryx needs far more pampering and TLC. The reliability of these Russian helicopters was fortunate, as the maintenance facilities in Angola were of a very poor standard, or non-existent. -South African merc pilot

So yeah mi17 is not a bad idea going Russian. Only need to modify the cockpit and install our EW and radios. All so as said denel does maintains on Russian choppers

ActivateKruger:
There's no existing plan for one, both Armscor and the CSIR don't have a research paper on it.

We'll have to take an existing helicopter, get a license to produce our own variant. We should be good, on theory at least.

Still think it would be better to get new orxy helicopters. Basically that means we get supper puma.

giles14:
you to re-engineer it

And a new orxy would be better. New blades, new chassis, new engines, new cockpit. Reduced weight more power and the orxy mk2 would out perfom any thing

giles14:
well the winner should be Mi38 which you can den tweak to your satisfaction.

Winner is new orxy helicopters.