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ssaengine:
Oh I misunderstood you...thought you meant preferred bidder announced like recently.

It is the one the navy wants. Who knows maybe when some disaster happens we can get money.

ssaengine:
When was this released?

Long time ago. Though the project is on hold till farther notice. Still though experiment.

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5bb27d3f4f9fdf199d7fad3814942b2e31ef8290392a1c8a324c42374e25f6a8.jpg


So the sea axel 2600 is the prefered bidder though it actual set up is not known yet. Still at over 100m and 2600 tons it will Handel the sea conditions better than the strike craft. They will be great for anti piracy, poaching and smuggling.


My weapons list is a 76mm, 35mm DPG, 2 20mm supper Rouge, 4 12.7mm supper Rouge and 16 Umkhonto missliels. As the heaviest option light weight would be 20mm supper Rouge 4 12.7mm Rouge.

frumentius:

Or maybe that list is in alphabetical order?

Lol

frumentius:
She has 2 pistols. Surely 1 pistol + Roni contraption would be enough. Then use the thigh strap for extra mags.
As it is, her superfluous load-out is unprofessional and conveys the message that our military police don't know what they're doing!

I all was thought the pistol was in the event the primary was lost, damaged, Jamed or when in tight areas. So it not a issue for me.

frumentius:
So Jozi and Cape Town have metro police elite units?
Why? I play my music a bit too loud and a SWAT unit shows up?
Sounds too much like bureaucratic empire-building to me.
Everybody wants to operate operationally .
Then you end up with this nonsense

I don't see a issue with that. In a urban area a 9mm carbin makes sense. It less likely to rip through a target and the wall behind him. I mean no real diffrince if she had a uzi or BXP other than at the end of the day they can strip this back to being a pistol.

ActivateKruger:
The Durban Metro Police bought Casspirs. The ish is getting serious, God knows what's happening in those Metros. Cape Town didn't get the memo.

http://www.capetown.gov.za/Departments/Metro%20Police%20Department


They got it. They have a Tatical response team.

ActivateKruger:
STF, they're more experienced of course. Even some security companies have SWAT units, this is crazy.

Tatical response teams for security companies makes sense though. That not even uncommon across the world

frumentius:


The whole thing was set up when the ANC ran Jozi. Maybe the DA will shut it down?
Imagine a hostage situation at a jacked City-owned hi-rise in Hillbrow: STF shows up (as they should), and Jozi Metro SWAT is already on site...

Who's in charge?

Saps all way our rank metro in.

frumentius:
I thought that was really ridiculous. Doug over at the http://www.saairforce.co.za/forum/ got a notification about OPSEC when it came to taking pics of the sub leaving on a classified 40-day deployment.
Weeks later, the Navy News magazine asks him for permission to use his pics of the sub departing !

To be fare intelgince and public relations are two separate departments. Though both use the same photographers one want pics to never see the light of day the other want to show all of them.

frumentius:
You presume I've not done that? Some of my posts here are a result of off-thread interactions with posters here.

Of course my posts are now circumscribed, seeing DI tracked and reprimanded me. I made the mistake of logging on here on my personal laptop on the work network.
The good thing is that the general SANDF social media policy is now under review.

Really so no longer getting reprimanded for posting face book pics of the ship leaving Harbour even though SAAG forum has pics of those ships leaving posted before the face book update.

Whyem15:
The Russian military is designed to successfully fight 2000 miles away from its borders. That is why countries that fall under this radius are always afraid of a Russian invasion.

Really? Maybe with a limited force but Russians logistical support is not like America or even Europe

frumentius:
AndrewZa, how do you guys get anything done in this beautiful city? Wind-surfing at Blouberg this morning, defended my Master's thesis at Stellies this afternoon, going to a Michelin star restaurant for supper this evening.
As a 17-year old when I came to UCT for my undergraduate studies 2 decades ago, this was a sleepy collection of villages .

Now I could be in Barcelona, San Francisco or the better non-3rd World Mediterranean sections of Croatia!!!

Hrmnn, driving to AFB Overberg on Friday and will stop over at Somerset West for the pics I promised.

Now you know why all jobs in cape Town take twice as long to do as in joburg

frumentius:
Can fellow Saffers please explain to me why Joburg Metro Police has a SWAT unit? Smells suspiciously of someone wanting to operate operationally . Surely any incident requiring such a unit would be kicked up to SAPS ?
Didn't even know they existed until I heard they were also interested in the Black Hornet Nano UAV.
Investigated and they're actually currently testing the SIG SG 516 Patrol !

It's a city police department whose mandate is to enforce city by-laws, FFS!!!

Some times Hawkers really want to sell a umbrella with out any paperwork.

kikuyu1:
The 20 m GA-1 def ballistically outperforms the Ma Deuce. Imo its an intermediate round between the .5 BMG and 30 mm. Performance wise its actually not far from the 14.5 mm:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14.5%C3%97114mm[/url]

Also the Inkunzi strike has only half the RoF of the BMG and/or KPV 14.5 mm.

RoF is lower but one must not discount the added effect of the HEI explosive. A 14.5mm could go through a armored wind screen but the 20mm HEI would explode and kill, wound or blind the driver and from t seat passenger of say a MRAP. And firing at long ranges where accuracy is a issue a 2Omm HEI is still deadly since it does not need to hit.


In short the InKunzi provides the range and accuracy of a Heavy Machine gun with the explosive power of a grenade launcher all while weighing less.


But yeah I see the GA1 as a better 12.7mm replacement for vehicles where the Inkunzi is better for a replacement for the motorized and airborne forces 12.7 all so the I Kunzi would be great door gun for orxy and A109s, could see it used on navy small boats and River patrol boats. So yeah I see both options being used. I mean at 13kg the Inkunzi could be mounted on a 7.62mm gun mounting. Of course the other thing g is one should never discount the RoF of say the Ss77.

tdayof:
Thanks, never knew France also has some overseas territory.

However without Chad, Cameroon and others they won't be able to do much in projecting power if they have to depend on their overseas territory in Africa.

I call them the French puppet states.

tdayof:
Part of France in Africa still considered as France? Please where's that?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_France#/media/File%3AFrance_in_the_World_(%2BAntarctica_claims).svg





Every thing there is france

tdayof:
So we can say the United States has the beat military in the middle east, and one of the best in Asia?

America does not physically own terrorty in Middle East or Asia. People forget France still has part of it in Africa that are seen has France. Has in people born there are French. Not just a few bases here and there but full on populations.

MikeCZA:
Any man who mentions the Mi -17 as a potential replacement of the Oryx should be charged with blasp..hemy, executed and his ashes fed to pigs.

The H225M should replace the Oryx in dribs and drabs while a local version is developed based on the H225M with feedback from the air force operating the aircraft.

Maybe a V-280 Valor type aircraft in the future.

Denel all ready has experience with the mi17, it carries a lot and with the right modification would be perfect. O ly issue is that the modification to both African proof and westernize the systems and logistics would cost a lot.


Personally I say go proper let's get the merlin.

lionel4power:
i dont know who sells the weed you guys take in this forum...


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This is just.... (no words)

They best equipped, trained and supported milltary in Africa with years of all most non stop combat experience fighting in Africa.

lionel4power:
Mystery Solved: Who has the Best, Most Powerful and Strongest Military in Africa today.
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September 18, 2017

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If you are a defense of military enthusiast and live in Africa, you must have come across the million dolllar question. "Who is the Best, strongest or most powerful military in Africa?", well lets settle it here... without mincing words and wasting your precious time.
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The Egyptian military (Army, Air Force, Navy) ranks number 1 in Africa.
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Let me expain.
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OVERVIEW: (Egyptian Military Strength)
The Eygptian Military complex is so massive and huge that it is probably out of Africa's standard. The Egyptian Military is responsible for the overall defense of Egypt and it's interest. It consist of:
1. Egyptian Air Force
2. Egyptian Navy
3. Egyptian Army
4. Egyptian Air Defense Force.

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It was established in 1922 and it's headquaters is located in Cairo the country's capital. The Egypian military has currently have its Active personnel at around 438,500 troops with a further 480000 reserved Personnel making it the 12th largest in the whole world.
It has a budget of more than USD $6 Billion which the United States provides USD $2 Billion in aid yearly. This account for a 3.4% GDP in the countries annual budget.
The Egyptian military has fought many wars since its establishment which includes but not restricted to:
World War II
1984 Arab-Israeli War
Egyptian Revolution of 1952
Yom Kippur War
Tripartite Aggression
North Yemeni Civil War
Six Day War
Nigerian Civil War
War of Attrition
War on Terror
First Libyan Civil War
Second Libyan Civil War
October War
Libya-Egyptian War
Gulf War
Egyptian Revolution of 2011
Sinai Insurgency
And a host of other lesser conflicts.

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The Egyptian military also participate in a lot of Military and Defense related exercises (MILEX) such as 'Bright Star'.
The Egyptian Military is supplied by various countries which includes but not restricted to:
United States
Russia
France
China
Italy
United Kingdom
China
Brazil
e.t.c.

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Egypt Military is the fulcrum that ties the stability in the region since Egypt is highly respected by all country in the Middle East and Europe by both allies and foes. The Egyptian Military is the Strongest in all Arab states and Africa and although not a NATO member, its remains a very valuable partner to that organisation.
The Egyptian military has considerable influence in the country because it has alot of control in th countries politics, economics, business, infrastructure, manufacturing, real estate and others.

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Egyptian Army
The Egyptian Army is the Best, Strongest and Most Powerful Army in all of Africa due to its immerse size in terms of equipment and manpower. Although it still uses conscript which serve for between 12 and 36 months and at the age of between 18 and 30, but the conscripts are very professional and highly trained with most of them having attained various university degrees.


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READ MORE HERE >>> http://www.africanmilitaryblog.com/2017/09/mystery-solved-who-has-best-most.html?m=1

The most powerful milraty in Africa is France.

ActivateKruger:
Truvelo should check who they sell their rifles to. I was disgusted at Truvelo when I saw a video of a crying kid being removed a bullet fired from Truvelo rifle. Truvelo sold those things to Gaddafi whom he used against civilians.

Libya was stable when they where sold

Nok234:
To be frank, I don't see an MRAP in service right know that can compete. It is a very good MRAP I heard it is STANAG 4 ... It is home made so very cheap for us that's means large number can be ordered .. The only thing I am consern about is mobility we have only pictures but maybe I am wrong ...

All MRAPs today has two variant one is 4x4 and a 6x6 because MRAPs usually doesnt have good mobility.
On soft ground 6x6 will be better assuming the vehicles are of similar ilk, as the weight is spread out over a larger area.
Also given the extra drive wheels there is more traction in slippery condition, and the rick of becoming cross axled is reduced, as you have to cross 3 axles instead of 2.

The 4x4 and 6x6 are both adequate for the military not just one.

Mraps are getting really heavy that's why they need 6x6 drive. They 20 tons plus these days not 10 tons.

SSBN:
They can't hand them over to Chad or Cameroon. Those countries lack the expertise and infrastructure to manage 4th Gen aircrafts. Romanians and Belarussians fly Chads fleet of MiG-29's

And France won't help keeping them flying. Think about that mean France can control there air force. Don't do what France says no more air force

Henry240:
Yes, i agree that things could be done better, but this is an ambush, didn't US special forces (Green Berets) recently suffer an ambush in Niger republic?

Some of these things are unavoidable, however it is not frequent. I believe this is the second incident of an ambush in the combat zone in the last 7 months.

The other was the attack on the UN convoy.

It is not possible to police that entire area, we would need to deploy 200k men within that region to effectively police it. We currently have 20k - 25k in the entire NE area of operations.

The USA army and Niger forces where not wiped out and reinforced. But you are correct. Ambushes by there nature are built to wipe out the defenders fast.

IbnSultaan:
Nigeria is no longer an active support base what is left for the group is hardcore members and fighter who conceive civs across the border. I agree completely peace involve socioeconomic strategy and most importantly stop flow of men and wen across the sahel

Being g reduced to small Cadre of hard core die hard does not weaken them. Sure they can no longer hold massive tracts of land but they still have the means to strike out and do harm.



The only real way to wipe them out is to create a safe area security wise to deal with the root causes of there power. Education, economy and perversion religion.

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SANDF with Roni pistol carbine and a pistol

SupremeCourt:
A defector becomes propaganda machine for those who grant him asylum. Simple logic. True numbers of dead in Cuba vs RSA war will never be known, cold war era is full of secrets, lies, and half truths. I think Cuba won the war by frustrating RSA to call for final truce treaty deal.

south Africa actually got all it's demands met all and Angola is capitalist not Communist

Seems first article was wrong it was Niger troops not Nigerian. Us solders where green berria

http://abcnews.go.com/International/us-military-service-members-killed-niger/story?id=50293782



Joint Nigerian USA patrol in Niger ambushed 3 Americans dead 2 wounded unknown of local forces or Insurgent losses.

Odunayaw:
and what significance is this in a military thread? This Is how thread conflicts start

How? Just a picture of Nelson Mandela in Nigeria.

ActivateKruger:
I don't, I'm referring to the yellow, green (and blue belly) patterns they have been using for almost 40 years.

don't fix what AInt broke