agaugust: those were NOT your words. obama did not even bow one inch to an inferior south african leader
because your life is ruled by internet stories you can copy and paste. same way you did not believe nigeria has a defense pact with ukraine, what if i never had that professors's defense pact file in my library? does that cancel nigeria ukraine defense pact ?
the world does not limit itself to what you believe in your bedroom. i dont care about what you think, i post for nigerians so you dont confuse them, i dont care about you or your beliefs...get it ?
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it was something to that effect ,how do you know, did you follow them around.
And if you think the ukraine is ever going to come to your defense you need to share your drugs, when was the last time you 2 ever had a military exercise together, high level vist or any such thing to show that they actually care about you
you failed to answer my question, but then a agian i am waiting for my T-craft hull answer from you still
agaugust: sir, that guy pushed me to the wall, and i think he is deliberately trying to irritate me, and i got irritated and f.ired. thats what happens when you push people to the wall and call them liars when they are telling the truth. he pushed me to the wall. @Andrewza that saw video i posted of jacob zuma bowing down to obama publicly and he was still denying it saying zuma did not bow down....does such a man have a reputation ? i see him as a white piece of fraud and F00L.
sorry i have to say my mind.
the day a south african irritated you...they make people use harsh language. lol
I am not going to respond to your cannibalism post again. It makes me sick to my stomach. Aren't you finding it repugnant to talk about it? Jeez! I think you are crazy!
i beilve my words where "bow his head below that of obama" you should learn to read.
And no no matter how much you wish it nigeria does not have a data link. Firstly where did they get, secondaly why have non of the many nations that have trained along side you never mentioned it.
agaugust: nothing in your post shows Iran Iraq war record where helicopter shit down jet aircraft you d.umb g.oat time waster ! And the web link below your comment is an American experimental project.
See why I am getting tired of this forum ? Too many f00lish south African posts with zero brain work.
i happen to have had that link available, i did mention the iran iraq war though. Helicopters all so got kills at numerous red flag exercises in america.
all4naija:Lol... How? This is what on-line definition of data link in aviation means:
In civil aviation, a data-link system (known as Controller Pilot Data Link Communications) is used to send information between aircraft and air traffic controllers when an aircraft is too far from the ATC to make voice radio communication and radar observations possible.LINK.
I think I am righ to a large extent about communication with the pilots on the air.
agaugust: [size=16pt]this is NOT a south african created weapon/vehicle it is made by Finland, giving south africa licence to copy and build it by changing its name from Patria to Badger.
try give honour to whom honour is due and dont take other countries glory for south africa.
all4naija:How do the Nigerian Navy communicate with the pilots in the air without data link? There is evidence Nigeria air defence should have a modern data link.
data link and radio communication is 2 different things
agaugust: simple internet information settles the matter, Mig-21 is an 2nd generation russian jet, F-7 NI is a 3rd generation chinese jet. i dont care what you believe, thats your personal problem. F-7NI jets will shoot down all south african Rooivalk helicopters easily. show me a war in this world where helicopters shot down jets. go sit down and tell fairy tales to your son in elementary school.
nigerian air force has datalink, if you cannot read thougr it thenj s.hut up you l.azy man.
and there are lots more new high technological command and control equipment scattered all over on that list from page 1 to page 42. your white-men in south africa deceive your nation that only south africa buys modern equipment in africa, same way they deceived you that Seleka rebels are F00LS south african paratroopers can defeat
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iran iraq war had helicopters duel with jets, there where all so a few american exercises where helcopters where shown to be a threat to jets
the sourse for the claim of 200, 000 and 300, 000 is ISS 2007 military balance. I have a copy of the 2011 iss milltary balances and it numbers are different.
all4naija:That link you posted is for Nigerian Army alone. The total size of Nigerian Army is 100,000 which is part of Nigeria Arm Forces. That is a fact. I don't think Wikipedia is wrong this time around.
nigerian armend forces
army 100, 000 air force 10, 000 nay around 10, 000
all4naija:We are not boasting outside of our capacity. There are evidences our military will usurp SA power in a full-fledged war in few months without the assistance of neighboring countries as guerilla fighters.
15 km from the coast of Cape Town, with our newly purchased frigates, will put the whole city under the radar for attack. We can easily take out your air defence with the F-7 against the grippen that is very cumbersome and can barely manoeuvre in a small combat area.
What you talking about.
F7 vs gripen means our pilots will get bored, The gripen can perform extrem of bore firings and i am yet to see how it is less agil than a F7.
The South African National Defence Force (SANDF) troops currently serving with the United Nations mission in the Democratic Republic of Congo (Monusco) will become part of the new UN intervention brigade that will combat M23 rebels.
Dr Sam Gulube, Secretary for Defence, said last week that the South African troops in the DRC are currently part of the Monusco deployment, but will be moved into the intervention brigade. He said that moving them from peacekeeping to peace enforcement will “change the dynamics of the DRC conflict.”
“We are going to use the same number of troops in the intervention brigade,” as the SANDF has with Monusco, Gulube said. He told journalists that South Africa had since July 2012 been finalising a memorandum of understanding with the United Nations that will allow South African troops to be transferred to the intervention brigade, which for the first time in UN history has an offensive mandate, against armed groups threatening peace in the DRC. The intervention brigade will focus its main energy on combating the M23 rebel group in the eastern DRC.
Gulube said that SANDF officers had been sent to Brazil to train in jungle warfare ahead of the deployment to the DRC, as the SANDF would most definitely encounter jungle warfare conditions.
Gulube said that the next four to six weeks will involve transferring South African troops to the brigade and assessing the requirements of those troops. “That’s where I am now. I’ve been told to use what I have,” he said, when referring to the resources and equipment the contingent would need.
He noted that R6 to R8 billion rand is available in the Special Defence Account (SDA) for capitalisation expenses (excluding salaries etc.). “Enhancement of our landward forces is critical for the success we wish to achieve, especially regarding peacekeeping missions.”
Last week it was reported that 1 300 soldiers from 6 SA Infantry battalion and supported by elements from Special Forces, paratroopers and engineers had flown to Goma in the eastern DRC. Department of Defence head of communications Siphiwe Dlamini said the movement “was a normal rotation of the UN’s Monusco mission in the DRC,” but neglected to mention that these same troops would be transferred to the intervention brigade.
The more than 3 000 strong brigade will be commanded by Tanzanian Brigadier James Mwakibolwa, and will comprise Malawian, South African and Tanzanian troops. It is anticipated it will be fully operational by September to start execution of its offensive operations mandate. Deployment of the brigade, the first for the world body in more than 65 years of peacekeeping operations to be given an offensive mandate, was authorised by the UN in March
all4naija:I completely disagree with this your claim. As at 1977 onward Nigerian military size has been over 250,000 population, both men and women.
The Nigerian Armed Forces are the Armed Forces of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. The military has active duty personnel in three armed services, totaling approximately 200,000 troops and 300,000 paramilitary personnel... From WikipediaLINK
yet when you go to this Wikipedia page it gives a new number
there are things i know about the above source you quoted but i wont tell you because you are not a learner, you are a mere fault finder so i will keep my information my self.
stop entertaining yourself with half information. i knew you would misfire again as usual.
quote how you measured the level of an F-7 jet 'slightly modified version' how slight ? how much difference is between the 1980 Mig 21 and 2008 F-7NI ?
your own beegeagle source defeated you, i quote below.... "According to customers’ claims, F-7M (of which the F7-NI is a later development) is nearly 40% more effective than MiG-21 in terms of overall performance. It can use French R550 Magic and PL-7 Air-to-air missiles."
the older F-7M is already 40% more effective than 1980 Mig 21, and nigerian F-7NI is more effective as a later development superior to the F-7M. you see the word development, meaning 2008 model is a more advanced jet , a development, not a stagnant same old thing. try use your b.rain when you read, looking for things to condemn will only turn you into a F00L.
the above proves to you that nigerian F-7NI jet is not only procured in 2008, it is a year 2008 model more advanced than the older F-7 models and by a very wide margin, not slightly, a very wide margin superior to 1980 Mig 21 jets that has no BVR capability, not HUD target display, weapon aiming computer, and radar guided missiles easy to jam instead of F-7NI infra red homing missiles hard to jam.
the older F-7M carries older PL-7 missile, and nigeria's more adavanced F-7NI carries a more advanced PL-9 missile which is quoted on SIPRI org arms transfer database.
nigeria has data-link for our air force, you cannot find all nigerian military stuff on public internet the way you find south african weapons freely, thank God for @drag_on for proving me right again, he posted nigerian ministry of defence 2013 budget and data-link for nigerian air force aircraft is there, i found it among many weapons and new hi-tech equipment purchased, see the source below
now with F-7NI radar range 15km and missile range 22km, the chinese engineers are more war experienced than you @saengine who has never touched the tyres of a jet fighter talkless of pushing missile button.
F-7NI detects y.our unlucky south african Rooivalk helicopter gunships in that simulation you did, it sees the enemy at 15km away before you launch 10km range mokopa anti-tank missiles on nigerian artillery that you are struggling to find inside their camouflage and behind taller buildings and heavy metal clutter confusion. nigerian F-7NI jet fires its missiles against Rooivalks, if the Rooivalk tries to evade by maneuver within that 15km range, the PL-9 missile has an extra missile range of 7km more than the radar range to also maneuver and keep lock on track against the Rooivalk with the extra missile fuel, to ensure target does not run away or run around within the same range circle, be it enemy jet, enemy cruise missile, enemy guided bomb, or enemy helicopter.
also see your error that F-7 jet cannot speed and manuever, those are the older versions with old wings, the nigerian F-7NI has new wings for speed maneuver without reducing speed rapidly as you wrongly said...
quote from you own beegeagle source nigerian version F-7NI jet "A totally different wing enabled the take-off and landing distance to be reduced by 20%, while increasing the aerodynamic performance in dogfights."
the above proves a totally different wing for modern aerodynamic performance in combat. you like to misfire my boy.
nigerian F-7NI jet will shoot down all other air forces of 40 out of the 48 african countries. its no crap, its d.eadly for its limited role, and has one of the best missiles in the whole world of SRAAM today, PL-9.
at the end of your self k.illing research, you only proved me right, and proved your self wrong as a mere fault-finder....the nigerian operators and chinese engineers who built our F-7NI jet and armed it with PL-9 missiles are not dumb, its you @saengine that is proved to be a big time d.ummy above
It can be 100% better than a mig 21 it is still crap. The mig 21 is outdated and bragging about it is just wrong.
the mig 21 was first introduced 1959 so where do you get 1980.
Since when could the Mig 21 not carry IR guided AAMS, most of it's kills where with K-13 (NATO reporting name AA-2 Atoll) IR AAMs.
Nigeria has Data link? My ass you do.
The F7 is a joke the whole world knows it only use full in mass wave attacks. And i see you did not refuet the 15km range radar. That means a enemycan stay 15km away and be safe from a counter attack
And why would we not dedct the F7, the valour can pick it up and relay all it,s info to the rooivalk. We explainded this to you.
by the way the mig 21 can carry Vympel R-27 missile (with the NATO reporting name AA-10 Alamo) and R-77 (RVV-AE) Missile (NATO reporting name: AA-12 Adder) both medium rang (BVR) AAMs.
all4naija:Whatever that maybe it is like a mine detector and can not be classified as something that would be a guarantee in a full-fled war. So it's used for clearing primitive improvise explosives developed by insurgent.
The award is just a mere encouragement for African military equipment development. We know it comes at a time when Africa is looking for recognition. Bwahaha...
A sixth-grader can do better with an aesthetic design.
Don't think Nigerian government will be purchasing that for Boko Haram insurgency. They don't use imrpovise explosive in Nigeria.
mines and IEDS are used in full fledged wars by either retreating forces attempting to delay their purser, defending forces has a barrier and by special operations forces to disrupt lines of communication and travel.
No but they may use them and you in malil where hey may use them has well.
Also it made by the same company that makes the spring buck MRAP in use by your security forces.
solomon111: what opportunities are you talking about,you xenophobic scum. The blood of hundreds of Nigerians murdered in cold blood in southafrica's xenophobic enclave will be avenged one day.
hundreds murdered, every time one is killed you guys make a big fuss over it. So you exaggerating.
All so makes you wonder how bad must Nigeria be for people to still flock to SA like it is the promise land.
agaugust: you say china's $5 million year 1990 versions are more capable than nigeria $15 million year 2008 versions, because in your own brain technology does not advance forward, it always reverses backward. right ?
show us clear source that states the technical details of china's F-7 jets and that of nigeria so that we can compare both and prove how 'truthful' you are that china's own is more advanced
....we are waiting for your post, do it if you have the courage of a man, source...technical details proof...post it.
Just because somthing is built in 2008 does not mean it is built with 2008 tech.
agaugust: as usual, i am never in a hurry. i take my time to post comments. also, i work under a boss an office and i dont always have time.
show us where it is written in this world that the country that produces more weapons is superior to another country that is better at fighting real war .
Algeria has a very small weapons manufacturing industry but has more powerful military than south africa. Ethiopian weapons manufacturing industry is a tiny shop compared to south africa, yet south african military cannot defeat ethiopian military, say no to that on nairaland and then prove it with facts. i have proved it before.
how about south korea, north korea, greece, ukraine, etc. south africa manufatures more many times weapons than these countries but can it defeat any one of them ? you like to overate south africa here on page 396 same way you did on page 1 to 12. too many weaknesses have been discovered about south african military at this pages we reached on nairaland. dont try to F00L us again...6 or 8 Gripen jets have pilots, 38 olifant tanks active, zero satellite power, seleka battle field...
south africa produces helicopter gunship, but how many do you have ? only 11 Rooivalk. can south africa use that to claim superiority over Egypt that does not produce any helicopter but has 150 helicopter gunships ?
south africa produces mobile artillery, but how many do you have ? only 43 G6 Rhino. can south africa use that to defeat Egypt that has 1,000 mobile artillery ?
show us how south african military will defeat Egypt because pretoria manufacture some weapons ? show us how !
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The best milltaries in the world all so produce most of the wepaons in the world. And since when is nigeria better at fighting than SA. I see nothing to back up that cliam.
Why do you say those 2 countries could beat SA? Please show how they better.
North korea could only maintain the fight for about a month and with out heavy chinness support would be a bigger joke than they are. Both south korea and urkrian have a pretty advance deffence industry SK all so gets a lot of US suppport and the ukrain deffense industry is has afavance has ruusia in the areas where they produce. They just built a carko air craft that SAAF is condsidring over the A400m.
Egypt gets a lot of support from the usa. Take it away and they suffer. If the US wished to they could damge the egytion milltary by just refusing to sell key compoints. Why do you think israel does not care that US aid to egypt has not stoped even though the mussliem brother hood is in power.SA on the other hand strives for local support. Even for forghine hardware we at least set up a producstion for spare parts. Though some items for some stuff are still imported. This is due to the cost not being worth it.
Read above. All so we can build more. SA is not near egypt they not a threat our milltary is talord to our threat.
Compare 1939 USA milltary with 1945 USA milltary. When pear harbour was attacked yamomouto said "we have awoken a giant" he knew that even though the us milltary was to small to threaten japan in 1941 it had the abliety to grow at a rapid speed. He actualy felt war with them was a bad idea.
agaugust: its now clear you have envy and fear of nigerian navy stealth warships. show us a source that clearly says valour frigate will sink the type 056 light frigate in real life battle, or where both sips have fought each other before in real war.
i am tired of reading your private bedroom opinion about things you dont even have full technical details about.
your own military academy deceived you in south africa that new weapons not yet used in real war can be judged and awarded correct scores on internet. you like to make a comedy show to entertain yourself. try use some common sense when you post. dont let civilians like us continue to pick cheap holes in your comments.
i just proved to you today that a small OPV can be equally armed with weapons like a frigate 2 times bigger and 8 times heavier and match it perfectly in comabt. http://www.israel-shipyards.com/naval-001.asp , so stop your lies and mis-information about OPV combat power on this forum from today.
the nigerian chinese ship is 4 times more d.angerous than the south african valour ship, i just discovered the reason and i am not in a hurry to post. i like doing my things step by step.
Fear of what.
Why don't you find a source that claims that it will loose. Any case did I not post there info side by side (note that is not a qustion I did).
Did you bother to check what the greek OPV was armend with. All so it good you put the sara4.5 in such. High regaurd thanks.
4 times more dangours? Strang that side by side review disagrees with your opion.
agaugust: ordinary nigerian local n.iger d.elta m.litants mounted 20mm cannon on civilian local speed boats and challenged nigerian navy with it many years ago.
google china's navy and their new little boats with missiles not radar guided. do your reasearch well, dont use my own time. the whole world is not limited to what you think in your private mind. wetin na, abi you be God ?
Do you not understand what I mean. I said you can mount them on just about any thing now you post this?
Really? You basicaly supported what I said.
And since when did china have hellfire missiels, you do know that is american.
Really I strugel beifev who you say you are, you knowldge is so limted and one sided.
agaugust: you are afraid of the nigerian navy warships you call 'OPV', you and the ignorant journalists that want to predict the power of warships you have NOT seen. they are not coast guard vessels like NNS thunder, they are built for navy use and are military ships capable of real combat.
did i stop you and THIZA/msauza from posting and re-posting south african army photos and videos of rooivalk, rooikat, badger, ratel, GV6, oryx, UAV drones, etc ?
you forget i told you many months ago that i dont post nigerian weapons to please you, i post to show my fellow nigerians the power of their military so that people like you will not confuse them with photos and videos from south africa. if i cannot find photos of nigerian weapons from our military headquaters publications, i do source it from other coutries publications. for nigeria, the time of posting Vickers Main Battle Tank and NNS ARADU has passed, we now post very modern and powerful world class weapons to match any african military anywhere.
whats your business if i go on about the nigerian stealth warships ? many asian defence forums like nairaland overseas are going on and on about them in the chinese navy , almost every week they get mentioned and new videos of them come out to public.
american defence forumjs are very busy studing and trying to analyse the capability of these warships. why is the whole world showing so much interest on warships built to defend china the 3rd ranked world power in the world against america the 1st ranked world paoer in the world ? you think there is no reasen the world is doing it ? since you are always looking for a south african navy that cannot be challenged in the blue/green waters by any other african navy, then i am sorry to tell you that your wish is not coming to pass.
south africa went to market for navy blue water ships before nigeria, we see what you have already. now nigeria is going to market to buy warships to build its own blue water navy fleet. is that a nightmare for you ? yes. go h.ide y.our family under the bed. nigerian navy is soon capable to reach south african coastline and create the most dangerous naval threat in all africa.
you had fun from page 1 to 12 of this thread laughing about nigerian old ships NNS ARADU and NNS THUNDER, now let people see you laugh about nigeria's 4 new stealth missile warships, and bigger story is that nigeria is building 70% of one of those ships in lagos.
i did naval simulation of south afrian naval blockade of nigerian waters using nigerian land land based artillery to drive away south african warships 50km to 100km away from nigerian waters, your navy could not even stay in nigerian territorial waters from base-line. you were enjoying sitting in the distant ocean 50km away, now i want to bring in nigerian ne stealth warships and you say i should shut up.
you think in 2014 next year that your south african naval blockade will be a reality ? NO. nigeria with 2 stealth warships will sail out and engage the valour frigates in direct sea battle and there will be no hope of running away from artillery to safe distance, it will be fire for fire ! face reality of enemy's capability and stop deceiving your self by scoring cheap military points on internet forum. no navy in the world will have 2 Type 056 warships and sit down in the harbour using artillery on land to defend its self. or if you are the nigerian navy chief is that what you will do ?
even if Type 056 is an OPV in peace time, in war time will it remain an OPV ? think about reality of war like a soldier and delete this copy and paste weapons photo mentality from your mind.
dont tell us story about south african 6 ships planned for building under a wish dream list called projetc biro that has not been fully paid for like nigerian 4 new ships are fully paid for and 2 are ready to arrive lagos next year. show us proof that the project biro ships are already under contruction in south africa and fully paid for, and their delivery dates from shipyard. first go look for money to maintain your Gripen jets in cold room freezer....and try raise funds to build a satellite....south african military fights like an outdated 1940 world war force...blind as a bat !
if you were deceived in your south african military academy that navy OPV dont carry weapons equal to navy FRIGATE , then educate your self and read the weblink below and stop posting mis-information to people here, see what the world is doing as far back as over 20 years ago with OPV:
Dud you building opvs, don't try to sell them has some super advance warships. They are not. Even the ones in china and india are nothing to braf about they just opvs. So why would I fear them.
By the way SAN had blue water dhips since the end of ww2.
Biro is fundded for. We posted the sandf budget a long time ago and in it was made speciol menstion of project biro. And 6 is the miniumen number they may go up to 12 but 8 seems to be most likly.
Even with out them I would still put money on our 4 warrior class than your 4 opvs. Has I said balance has not changed.
Yes opvs can go to war. The us voast gaurd has a war time roll. Does not change the not has good as say a corvet or frigate.
So no the nigerian navy is still behind the south african navy.
[size=16pt]Nigerian Navy to get 2 clones of Russian Tiger stealth guided missile warship[/size]
nigerian navy 2 chinese Type 056 stealth guided missile warships are arriving next year 2014, and the 2 indian pipavav Tiger class/Steregushchy class clone stealth guided missile warships are arriving 2015.
nigeria will have the largest, most modern, most balanced (IPV/MPV/OPV/FFL), and most powerful navy surface vessels fleet in the whole of africa.
Enough new weapons coming in to equal Nigeria and Egypt on joint number one position on African military rankings.
Add the local development and manufacturing of various types of heavy weapons going on secretly...it is awesome .
"The patrol vessels will apparently be very similar to the five OPVs ordered by the Indian Navy last year. These are 110 metres long and will have a maximum speed of 24 knots. They will be armed with a 76 mm Oto-Melara guns."
"The firm also said it has signed a protocol with a company controlled by the Russian ministry of defence for a potential contract of about $2 billion. Pipavav has existing strategic tie-ups with foreign partners including SAAB Dynamics, Northrop Grumman and UK’s Babcock Group for defence production."
since nigerian military with their secrecy policy refuses to show us their weapons, we shall begin to find them from other sources and entertain ourselves o ! also to warn our enemies to start to pee pee in their boxer shorts.
the 2 indian built pipavav tiger clone stealth warships are not yet shown, but lets watch 3D video of the russian tiger class/Steregushchy class they are cloned/copied from...
Please stop going on and on about your opvs, they opvs not like like they going to alter the balance of power. And sa is going to build at least 6 opvs/corvets hell there is talk of build 2 frigats all under project biro. Nothing will change.
And biro is not a wish list the money is there they just now need to decide on what to spend it on.
chief @henry, why you no show us dis made in nigeria ARMOURED CAT CATAMARAN since na ? abi you dey among them people wey day hide nigerian made weapons ? this craft can be armed with 20mm cannon or 12.7mm machine guns, and like the Chinese Navy gunboats of about the same size, it can carry Hellfire missiles electro-optically guided, or 40mm grenade launchers to take-out enemy fast attack crafts.
You can mount 12.7mm 20mm or agms on just about any thing.
agaugust: No. Maybe just 10% spam, and mostly from pages 345 to 395 and thanks to your south African brothers who posted all the spam because their ego was badly wounded when Nigerians proved that south Africa has no single satellite while Nigeria has 3.
Truth.
And nigerians go on and on about the same stuff that get anserw aka CAR.
By the way SA has comms satlies. How do you think DST works. And our satlits are still in orbit.
So both sides spam hell you just posted spam when you posted the info on nigerias OPVs again. Yes it is relvent but how offen do you post it. Paitriot was posting far better infomastion since it was new for this thread. Basicaly stop recycling old postes and post new stuff. The info is out there.