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thoth: what other side ? do you want to tell us that 100% of Zimbabweans oppose Mugabe ? can you say of 50% or you meant in a fascist way that only your supposed opposition has the right to a say ?



Did you say gained ? gained?? how was it gained ? by bombing and killing the inhabitants and driving them out ? is that how sane humans Gain things, how brainwashed can Africans ever be to accept such atrocity on their brothers as reasonable, i am not surprised i have also seen Africans that find reasons to justify slavery and colonization.



By when Ian smith was president you mean when Zimbabwe was exploited and minority white which were less than 10% of the population was rich and all blacks were Servants, is that what you meant ?
By when Ian Smith was president, you meant when blacks don't even have full rights and privilege as citizens in their own country ?
By South Africa being its only friend you mean its other apartheid partner, brotherly nations in atrocities against black men, south Africa was under sanctions and you refused to further tell us why south Africa was under sanctions, oh i remember , they torture and kill Africans, steal their lands, exploit their labor and pillage their mines, then they were sanctioned and their partner in crime Ian Smith used the common border with South Africa to help the White African devils to circumvent the sanctions.

I bet then you will also say that South Africa has so much money then, maybe because the extremely wretched blacks(80% of the population) that were forced to the ghettos were not south Africans, the millions of Zimbabweans that work as handy men and farm hands were not Zimbabweans.

Now Andrew i have also lived in south Africa for a short while and i was privileged to associate with the topmost class of the south African society and that was 1995 during the integration process. Only whites make such arguments like you do and i strongly believe you are either a white south African or a seriously brainwashed and dangerous African.

there is no other side to vote rigging.

you want to tell me that every piece of the vast zimbabwe was inhabited?

yes and it still had money and those poor blacks still got food to eat.

again the blacks had food to eat, and lets compare the 2 countries poast majority rule, zimbabwe a charity case then went from a bread basket to starvation. South africa richer now than it ever was and produce more than enough food for it people.

sheyie2007: and that requires experience right?

in military matters? No. All he does he think up what needs to be done. Eg invade iraq it is then up to the generals to think up the plan and the soldiers to implement it.

sheyie2007: who calls the shots for the US army?

the president like in all countries is the one who gives the missions

homerac7: @ Andrewza,

stop having headache over non-issue, it is only a ceremonial activity, that doesn't make him a soldier...but if he must wear a uniform, he has to be appropriately dresses as a field-marshl. after the ceremony, he removes the dress and go back into his civil dress. Kapish?

that my point, why does he need to wear it. To look like one of the solders, every one there knows he is not a solder

Now you are stretching your initial question by some more kilometers. Listen! No one is talking about expertise. But if you want to talk about that, I think President Jonathan has better expertise than Zuma given all the military situation reports and briefings he receives regularly from our ever-busy Armed Forces engaged in operations around the continent and beyond. Even the greatest army generals that ever lived depended on expert advise from field commanders, war planners and subordinates. To the best of my knowledge, President Goodluck Jonathan and every other Nigerian leader before him have done a better job in the sphere of military decision making than your President Zuma, Mbeki and Mandela combined. Also, no president in democratic South Africa has been quite decisive and bold enough to command his army successfully to war on different fronts. What Zuma has not been able to achieve militarily... President Jonathan has achieved ... and continues to take our military to greater heights. That is why his uniform cannot be wished away by anyone! It is President Jonathans constitutional entitlement whether you like it or not!

We don't give excuses, we take charge of matters without looking back or blaming anyone. Stop blaming the Freanch!! South Africa will always find something negative to say about the French. You'll learn a lot by manning-up to your failure in CAR because honesty is the best policy. You know how Lindiwe Sisulu handled the violent rebellion by your lazy unionized soldiers? Your highly disorganised and disgraced SANDF are a recipe for mutiny in the ranks no matter how much you continue to "bash" French. The flouted orders not to rebel or embark on picketing and striking violently


O i trust our president but you have to earn the privilege to wear a uniform, and unless you in the military you don't have that privilege. Since you can not stand for office has a member of the SANDF no SA president will wear our uniform. You see SA is a true democracy were the military accept civilian control and does not need our president to play dress up for us to listen to him.


Liar! Majority of South Africans hate and do not trust Jacob Zuma and have even accused him of sending SANDF troops to CAR for personal business gains. Jonathan as Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces of Nigeria is a member of the military and will wear the uniform as and when he needs to. Nigeria's democracy raises the bar further by ensuring total respect for civilian rule/command. Obiviously Zuma is not worthy of wearing SANDF uniform ... and looking at SANDF's recent CAR disgrace do you still think that SANDF's uniform is worth wearing by any one (including Zuma)? Don't kill yourself about Jonathan's nice uniform please...

yes but those generals all knew a lot more than a civilian and at where at one point advising generals them self. Real let see, nigerian army still has a reputation for brutality, took months to deploy forces to malil, is unable to properly support and rotate forces deployed(a short coming known since sierra leone and liberia) so i don't see the great work done by goodluck.

Blame the french, the french refused us landing reinforcements in bangui. So yes we will blame them, we will blam FOMAC for being cowards to and running away and the CAR army for switching sides. 500 soldiers over 62 000 went on a march 500, did you know that it was not even a strike, they all put in one days leave and in the end she actually agreed with them.

then why has he not been impeached like thabo, why did he win the ANC general election. Yes the DA is accusing him, aka the opposition who want political points. We lets see we killed up to to 800 rebels and the one report from the civilian side shows that the people of CAR trusted us and did not fear us, can the same be said about your own country men in the north, where your own government watch dog is saying your army loots,kidnaps and murders making them no better than rebels.

goodluck is a civilian and has no right to wear a uniform

Donian007: It is his constitutional right + the rank of field marshal.

so nigeria is giving the highest rank away to someone with zero experience

what other side, there already more voters than people, he refuses compile with a request made by SADC to issuer free and fair elections and then insults his only friend in the world a friend who only last month asked obama to lifted sanctions on his sorry ass. The same friend who is having to pay for this election.

Steal? that land was gained long before the white farmers or the black that now live(but not farm) on it were ever born. So yes the farmers should be compensated.


mugabe is a dictator that is that is robbing his country, he blames the condition of his country on but when ian smith was president the country had more money and it's only friend was SA who were all so under sanctions. He can't find money for elections but he can build houses in south africa? he is a thief and a dictator.

http://nehandaradio.com/2013/07/06/south-africans-hit-back-at-mugabe-insults/

The country’s octogenarian leader not only inexplicably threatened to pull Zimbabwe out of Sadc at the rally, he also tore into South African President Jacob Zuma’s trusted international relations advisor, Lindiwe Zulu, who is also one of the facilitators to Harare’s political crisis — describing her as “an ordinary, stupid and idiotic street woman” for allegedly meddling in Zimbabwe’s affairs.

Zulu’s crime appears to be her recent suggestion that Zimbabwe should have postponed its forthcoming elections to pave the way for the implementation of agreed, but outstanding media and security reforms. Zulu refused to comment when contacted by the Daily News.

“I have no comment. I don’t think commenting on that will solve the situation,” said Zulu.

However, an SA government official who requested anonymity said last night that Pretoria was “appalled” to hear that Mugabe had “stooped this low to attack both Sadc and one of our officials at his rally today (yesterday)”.

“If he did indeed, let this old man be warned that we are all capable of acting very badly. After all, it was Sadc and South Africa who made sure that he is ble to enjoy the status of being acknowledged around the world as the president of Zimbabwe.

“So, like the laughing stock and mampara (fool) that he is making of himself, he is effectively biting the hand that feeds him. He clearly has become oblivious to the fact that whether he wins or loses, Sadc and South Africa will still be here and that he will probably still need our assistance.

“We expected this kind of unnecessary and destructive vitriol from the likes of (Jonathan) Moyo, not from the State president of Zimbabwe, whom all of us have gone to great lengths to prop up. But if that’s his wish, then good luck to him,” the angry official said.

An analyst last night described Mugabe’s ?utterances as “ill-advised and unpresidential”, whatever his personal views of Zulu were.

“It is very likely that as a direct result of this poor behaviour and choice of words by president Mugabe that relations between South Africa and Zimbabwe will plummet over a fairly frivolous issue.

“If this analysis is correct, this will have a deleterious effect not just on Mugabe, Zanu PF and the government, but also on all Zimbabweans given South Africa’s political and economic standing within Sadc and the international community.

“What makes Mugabe’s appalling statement even more shocking is that president Zuma very clearly and publicly boxed in Mugabe’s and Zimbabwe’s corner when he recently met President Obama in Pretoria, by calling for the lifting of sanctions and the normalisation of relations with Harare.

“So, why shoot oneself in the foot?” Johannesburg-based Shepherd Mntungwa asked. Daily News

Zimbabwe as good as showed two fingers to SADC and effectively told them to ‘go away’.

It’s that time of year when the grey Louries sit up in the trees and scold, repeatedly, telling you to go away. There’s no hiding from them and every time you step outside the message from above is the same: Go Away! It’s a sentiment that was echoed in our constitutional court this week when Zimbabwe as good as showed two fingers to SADC and effectively told them to ‘go away’ as it dismissed applications for a delay in the date of elections. A couple of days later when launching Zanu PF’s election manifesto in a five hour, live, uninterrupted ZBC TV broadcast, Mr Mugabe went further. Referring to SADC’s recommendations for elections in Zimbabwe, Mr Mugabe said : “If SADC decides to do stupid things we can move out and withdraw from SADC.”

And so the date is set whether we like it or not; whether the processes and reforms have been followed or not. On the 31st July 2013 we will go to the polls in what are ironically called ‘harmonized’ elections although there’s never anything even remotely harmonious about elections in Zimbabwe. There’s been nothing harmonious about two voter registration processes which have been unable to get to the end of the queues and left countless people angry, frustrated and disappointed.

There’s also nothing at all harmonious about the voters roll which the Registrar General said had 6,082,302 names on it as of the 30th June 2013. Allegations of voters roll irregularities are growing by the minute. The Daily News’ had front page headlines this week saying: “Election rigging underway… hired Israeli Firm tampering with voters roll.”

Even more chilling was the report from Harare's Research and Advocacy Unit which has looked at discrepancies between the voters roll and last year’s population census. The RAU found that 63 constituencies out of 210 had more registered voters than the number of inhabitants counted in the 2012 census. RAU also found 2 million young adults not registered as voters, a figure which throws into serious question the number of voters the Registrar General says were on the roll last week. It looks like once again we’re a country with far more voters than real people.

That all of this happened in the same week as millions of Zimbabweans woke up to find that their satellite television channels from South Africa and Botswana had been scrambled seems impossibly coincidental. ‘ Scrambled’ was the angry buzzword everywhere but it soon left even more people following the infamous Baba Jukwa Facebook page. Baba Jukwa’s stunning revelations about corruption and dirty deals in government circles have become the latest obsession in Zimbabwe and have attracted 50 thousand new followers in the last fortnight alone, resulting in 217,000 followers as I write, and rising every day.

Comfort at the end of a bad week came from MDC Finance Minister Tendai Biti who wrote on his Facebook page: “The plan is to rush into an election that will be stolen and then invite us into the elite madness of another GNU. What crass madness, The people will not be betrayed. This economy is suffering. Zimbabweans are suffering. The crises cannot be prolonged. The people want to deliver their knock out blow. Zimbabweans want to be free. The next few days will decide our fate ,watch them closely. Every second is history .”

We are watching, every second. God save Zimbabwe.

Copyright © Cathy Buckle.
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-south-africa/more-voters-than-real-people

democratic my ass.

GidiNaijaPikin: Good for South Africa and Jacob Zuma. Probably explains why there are no clear lines of authority in SA's CAR PK ops hence SANDF's disorganised response to a rag-tag Seleka selection? Does that also explain the unionized state of the SANDF (the only armed forces) where unions exist and where rank and file flout orders that ordinarily could amount to rebellion/treasonable felony in more serious armies?

Well, ours is a story of true democracy where the President is the custodian of powers to protect and defend Nigeria. We trust him ... but it's not our fault that you don't trust your President that much.

So tell me ... why are you glad? Just asking.

And the fact goodluck wears a uniform when he goes on a parade makes him on the expert on the military, By monday we add deployed a infantry battalion and air support and if it were not for the french they would have been deployed into CAR that does not sound disorganised to me, the german army has a union and What orders were flouted?


O i trust our president but you have to earn the privilege to wear a uniform, and unless you in the military you don't have that privilege. Since you can not stand for office has a member of the SANDF no SA president will wear our uniform. You see SA is a true democracy were the military accept civilian control and does not need our president to play dress up for us to listen to him.

GidiNaijaPikin: It's just like saying a paralegal personnel does not have "basic" legal training!

It's been a long day and I have basically answered your query. Should you not be satisfied ... then it's your headache. HE President Goodluck Jonathan is entitled to his military uniform in his capacity as Commander-In-Chief of Nigeria's Armed Forces.

did you miss the part where i said paramilitary have military training?

I am glade zuma is not.

GidiNaijaPikin: So what is the word "military" doing in combination with the word "para"?
Figure it out my friend!

Paramilitary does not fall under the state military, hence they are not military. They security units with military training.

GidiNaijaPikin: What do you call a civilian who is in charge of the armed forces?

https://saharareporters.com/sites/default/files/page_images/galleries/2013/NADCEL.jpg?1373130314

https://saharareporters.com/sites/default/files/page_images/galleries/2013/PIC%201%20NADCEL%202013.jpg?1373130314

The president, or commander in chief. Does not mean he is military.

GidiNaijaPikin: Well, don't come showing those questionable tendencies of yours. Every Nigerian university graduate since 1973 undergoes Basic Paramilitary training. But that notwithstanding, by definition of his office and authority he Commands the entire armed forces of Nigeria. As a commander-in-chief he is entitled to show up at the NADCEL as a five-star military general.

Better still, the uniform is his, not yours!

Trust me these are questions soldiers ask. He is a civilian and should not be entitled to wear uniform.

And paramilitary is not military

GidiNaijaPikin: You can see clearly with your eyes! That's His Excellency Dr. Goodluck Jonathan the President and Commander-Commander-In-Chief of our armed forces ... earlier today at the 2013 Nigeria Army Day Celebrations (NADCEL) parade in Abuja!

Am I seeing green envy in this question of yours?

Did he ever do BMT, Officer training or do anything that qualifies him as a soldier. He may be commander in chief but he is not military.

GidiNaijaPikin: President Goodluck Ebele Jonathan, President and Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Federal Republic of Nigeria

https://saharareporters.com/sites/default/files/page_images/galleries/2013/PIC%207%20NADCEL.jpg?1373130316

why is he wearing a uniform.

[quote author=Mike..ZA]Sorry sir,but the SANDF doesn't use the FN FAL(or R1 in SA) rifle it was retired in the eighties. The SANDF is now putting in service the "21st century R5 upgraded" rifle. The FN FAL is used by game rangers in SA national parks eg Kruger national park .[/quote]You only half right.

The R1 was withdrawn from general use but is still used. It used as a DMR, border and anti poaching patrols will have one in the event of a animal attack, It used has a sniper rifle and a few other uses. The SANDF still has enough R1 to equip every army personnel.

Democratic Republic of the Congo (formerly Zaire)

July 4, 2012: Since late March, when the UN officially created the Intervention Brigade, South African government officials have repeatedly expressed concern with the brigade’s explicit offensive mission in the Congo. South Africa participates in many UN peacekeeping operations and indicated that many South African citizens fear that the offensive mandate sets a bad precedent. Future peacekeeping missions could be more difficult and more dangerous because rebels will see the peacekeepers as a foreign invader. Other governments around the world have expressed similar concerns. South Africa is still dealing with the blowback from this year’s Central African Republic (CAR) peacekeeping fiasco. In January 2013, South Africa sent 400 soldiers to serve with an emergency peacekeeping force in the CAR. Before their unit was fully deployed, Seleka guerrillas (the main CAR rebel force) attacked the peacekeepers. The peacekeeping mission became a combat mission. South Africa suffered 13 killed in action and 27 wounded. The South African people were understandably shocked at the high number of casualties. Many South Africans thought the UN gave the South African soldiers an impossible mission. UN planning was inadequate and local intelligence was very poor. The South African government is assuring its citizens that there will never be another CAR disaster. The government and officers in the South African National Defense Force (SANDF, South African military) are insisting that the Intervention Brigade be completely ready to fight before the operation begins. The South African contingent consists of an 850-soldier infantry battalion. South Africa has a very professional military which believes in realistic training (fight like you train, train like you fight). The CAR operation was slapped together in haste. That is not the South African style. Recently the South African military reported that personnel assigned to the brigade have been conducting some very specific training exercises. At a training area in South Africa, Intervention Brigade soldiers attacked a simulated rebel-held enclave. The simulated enclave was built to resemble the border enclave occupied by M23 rebels. South African attack helicopters and jet fighter-bombers supported the attack. Why leak the training details? M23 reads press reports. The South African government wants M23 to know that if South African infantry assaults its enclave, South Africa’s high-quality infantrymen will have high quality air support and fire support. M23 should consider surrender. That way everyone stays alive. (Austin Bay)

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/congo/articles/20130704.aspx

redyellowgreen: Mr Vunombagai. There is a lot of noise around you at this point in time. Your friends here are saying things. Now I wish you to go back to the first picture that i posted. Then the second. Then the third and so on.

That should tell you what is important right now. The conversation between the two of us. That is what is important. I am addressing you directly and no one else.

Numan
Joseph Edwin
1983
88 MAG
NAF
Lagos
Vunombagai
Abuja

You know our policy very well. You should. You of all people should know that you are not like anyone else here. You have been given the privilege of access to our information, our structures and our personnel. Some of our people are your friends. You do not need to have your responsibilities spelt out regarding the use of the information that we all trust you with. Your online conduct in not just this forum, but in others indicates that you do not appreciate your responsibilities to Nigeria.

Now what you need to do is take a moment. Think about what is important to you. Think about who is important to you. Think about how you have used our information. And then tell your friends what you believe needs to be done by you.

I sign off for now and I give you room to think. Use it wisely.

Strange nothing here is not public knowledge, though some of it needs you to dig deep it is there.

sheyie2007: someone else's page.. Except August admits he knows who they are...

true

sheyie2007: Pls elaborate? Cuz thaT ain't convincing

Whether they from agaugust facebook page i don't know nore care. But the pics were from a facebook page.

sheyie2007: and how would you knOw that? This is a public forum bro

I don't post people's facebook pages.

Donian007: For your info that FN-FAL is made in Nigeria with indegeneous name and parts, the AK and FN FAL series are undergoing modification and modernization for Nigeria's sole use. As for Boko Haram, I think you came late or pull-off IGNORANCE and learn.

i actually like the FN fal or R1 in the SANDF, has for the nigerian AK, they probably similar to the AKM

sheyie2007: he's a bored mofo playing mind games and posting fake pictures

the pic are real.

[quote author=Mike..ZA]Work on replacing has started,Airbus was in SA offering their C295 and A400M while Boeing is still offering the C130J for maritime operations.[/quote]The C130J and C295 may both be chooses

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30401:feature-sandf-optimum-force-design&catid=32:military-art-a-science&Itemid=112

our need is for

8 coastal surveillance aircraft (eg C295)
6 long-range surveillance aircraft (eg HC-130J)
18 shipboard helicopters (Super Lynx)(this is due to project biro and the plan to purchase 2 to 3 combat support ships or LHDs

NaijaPikinGidi: Mr. RedYellowGreen identify yourself!!

now now this is between the liar and traffic light. It not like if i asked you for your real name you would oblige me

At least 29 pupils and a teacher have been killed in a pre-dawn attack by suspected Islamists on a school in northeastern Nigeria, reports say.

Eyewitnesses said some of the victims were burned alive in the attack, in Mamudo town, Yobe state.

Dozens of schools have been burned in attacks by Islamists since 2010.

Yobe is one of three states where President Goodluck Jonathan declared a state of emergency in May, sending thousands of troops to the area.

A reporter from the Associated Press found chaotic scenes at the hospital in nearby Potiskum, where traumatised parents struggled to identify their children among the charred bodies and gunshot victims.

Survivors said suspected militants arrived with containers full of fuel and set fire to the school.

Some pupils were burned alive, others were shot as they tried to flee.

The BBC's Will Ross, in Lagos, says this area has frequently been attacked by the Boko Haram militant group.

More than 600 people were believed to have been killed in 2012 by the group, which is fighting to overthrow the government and create an Islamic state in Nigeria's predominantly Muslim north.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23209181

saengine: Yes you are right. NAF has made some very foolish decisions. Paying $15 million for jets that will only be used as a stop gap measure. That much money for jets that won't be around for long, very foolish I agree. Then you try justify the purchase by saying Nigeria will use F-7s to learn how to build your own jets, when you could have used much cheaper jets to do the same thing. Why are Nigerian engineers scared to buy and open up JF-17 if you claim they are the same price?You bought outdated crap, just get over it. Even the authour of beeglesblog (who you love so much) says Nigeria could have got much better value for money.

And even if they do build something it still going to be only has good has the F7. Unless they aiming to build over a lot of them it still going to be a waste of money.

agaugust: stop joking about serious issues, even if you dont like me. cant you see i am now under threat from military or state intelligence units ?

Either he is fake in which case no worry, or this guy is for real in which case he is warning you off. Nothing i say will in any way harm you. You do not warn people off to then kill them.

redyellowgreen: You are disturbing us. We are working here. So, may I please ask that you give us room to work, sir.

Put it this way either you fake and in that case F off, or you not fake and in that case contacted him on facebook or email.

i thought agaugust lived in america? and it not nice to post peoples personal detail mr confused stope light

agaugust: only china's manufacturer chengdu can say exactly when production stopped because we both quote different sources with different dates. so no winner no loser.

however nigerian F-7NI jets are all brand new, the whole world knows that except your d.ull b.rain south african country man @saengine who needs urgent brain scan

since 1967 till 2010, any nigerian air force aircraft purchased second hand is marked and listed as second hand by SIPRI arms sales log, F-7 jet is listed as brand new. south african brians do like to misfire.

please stop wasting my time of s.tupid ideas that @saengine cooked up with his malfunctioning b.rain

actually you used wikipedia not a source, i our ever used a source used by wikpeadia