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agaugust: your source did not say the radar range, i had to go find in myself on ocean eye link as 370km.

anyway, south africa has nothing comparable to nigerian ATR-42 surveyor, i am not going to play stupid game of comparing a mere helicopter with an aeroplane....a bicylce is not equal to a car.

i did not compare them, i just point out the lynx has a very god radar, and optects. The Dakotas are old though they have there own sensors in them.

agaugust: F-7 jet production will only stop this year 2013. you need urgent brain scan.

Name Chengdu F-7/J-7
Role Fighter / Interceptor
Manufacturer Chengdu Aircraft Corporation/Guizhou Aircraft Industry Corporation
First flight January 1966
Status Operational
Primary users People's Liberation Army Air Force
Pakistan Air Force
Bangladesh Air Force
Korean People's Air Force
Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force
Egyptian Air Force
Produced 1970s–2013
Number built 2,400+
Developed from Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21
Variants Guizhou JL-9

weblink source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7

now is see why south africans never win a war !

Despite the termination of production in 2008, the J-7 is currently in operation with a number of air forces worldwide.
http://www.airforceworld.com/pla/english/j-7-fighter-china-mig-21.html

stope putting your trust in wikipedia.

thoth: Many Nigerians knew nothing about Zimbabwe apart from the lies that the international imperialist media feeds them, so don't be surprised on the amount of ignorance that they display, if Mugabe allowed the minority whites who came and killed, pillaged and dehumanized their people to continue exploiting and extracting wealth from his Motherland while the real owners of the nation starves, if he allowed the white man who came with Guns and sickness to take all the fertile farmlands and export their products while leaving the real owners of the nation with unproductive farmlands, if Mugabe had allowed the Zionist Miners and their banking cohorts to extract their diamonds and minerals on the land which they forcefully took with guns, a land which their ancestors have no legal claim unto, a land which they have desecrated. If Muagbe did all that, the western media would have praised him as they are praising Jonathan while in reality his people,brothers, sisters, men whose fathers and great grandfathers fought against those same foreign pillagers for their motherland suffers in poverty, Nigerians would love him.

Well Nigerians should know that Mugabe is a symbol of freedom for that nation, he is a symbol of bravery, A man that did what has to be done, he will be elected and re-elected because he remains the only man that would not deviate, a man that has been tried and tested, he is not perfect since he is a man but he is right for the job.

when you talk about the inflation in Zimbabwe you should try to look deeper at the manipulations of the international banksters( Ganster Banking) and organizations , how they compromised the Zimbabwean economy.

The people who claims to be afraid of Mugabe are mostly the reactionaries, they are the ones that would rather took advantage of the situation and sell out their nation and brethren for their own selfish greed, the IBB's and Obasanjo's of Zimbabwe and their ignorant supporters. the sort of supporters whom with their ignorance will damage the unity of a nation, the sense of oneness, the efficiency of a united front with their stupid actions(more like northern Islamic riots which always makes others want to leave Nigeria). Those ones has to be dealt with or else the nation will loose the larger picture. Russia,China,England,France,Germany etc all dealt with theirs in order to have the unity they enjoyed today. so why not Zimbabwe? because the imperialist won't want a free truly liberated nation in Africa.

So what about me, i live in SA and know personally many zimbabweans. So when i say that mugabe is a dictator who murdered his own black brothers(i bet many of you fools did not know that), suppress opposition movements, and riggs elections i know what i am saying.

agaugust: any problem with foreign help ? south african Rooivalk helicopter gunship engine is made in France, and without it your helicopter is a mere box of metals that cannot fly one inch above the ground.

And the BTR3 has a german engine and a american gearbox and is based on the BTR80. The M1 uses a germain gun, extra extra. You really no nothing about weapons do you.

agaugust: you just got banned again today as @zaandrew, which new insult did you post against me this time

so you logged in with second user name @andrewza, that one was banned yesterday when you insulted me. better leave me alone boy ! i enjoy giving you all these military nightmares. lol.

I posted what i siad in this quote. I can call you a fool and not get banned.

agaugust: vietnam war was a kind of small world war with over 12 different nations armies fighting, so vietnam did not win alone, they had 100% USSR/SOVIET RUSSIA military support, and many other armies, yet they could not win until american military pulled out completely from south vietnam and left south vietnam alone to face a USSR/CHINA supported north vietnam.

north vietnam's army was joined in jungle battlefield by soldiers of viet cong, khmer rouge and pathet lao, they did not fight alone, you dont know war history, you just copy and paste information. nigeria always fights her jungle wars alone and wins, like it or c.ommit s.uicide if you dont.

brazil has zero war history and zero modern combat experience, only a military academy drop-out like you will rate them above a battle hardened nigerian army.

nigerian army divided into two parts and fought against itself in b.iafran war and that is one of the hardest types of war because the enemy in inside you and knows all your weapons and soldiers capabilities. usually such wars have no winner at the end, like north korea vs south korea.

nigerian army fought jungle war in very recent years 1991-2002. most of the same soldiers are still is service today, one of them is Lt.Col Olukolade of ECOMOG, now the man speaking on b.oko h.arram war nigeria is fighting today in the forests of adamawa state.

see how your facts are very wrong, and become no facts but frauds !

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So you saying it was other countries doing the fighting in the jungle, how about when vietnam deafed china there where no foreign advisors then.

Did i say vietnam or north vietnam. Confirm the vietcong where from vietnam and a large portion of vietcong was NVA. Vietnam latter invaded and overthrew the khmer rouge government. Ans again are you saying that the bulk of vietnam's army was foreigners, if so you the one who does not know hisstory. And you yourself has admitted that nigeria only won because of mercs.

Answer the question about about the gulf war. And everybody rates Brazile above Nigeria this is not a contest.

Yes it all so shows you good enough to defeat your self.

And Nigeria was not alone it was like a mine world war. You all so did not do has great has you cliam. Nieria had many failings in that peacekeeping mission.

agaugust: nonsense. if it is nigerian amry now you will say any weapons we claim but you cannot find source of purchase on UN/SIPRI/JANES arms sales log, does notexist so nigeria does not have it.

now you manufacture long list of seleka weapons and add extra extra to it with no credible proof, just to make excuse for south african army failure and defeat by mere rebels.

Since when have i said nigeria does not have 23mm auto cannons, AGLs, or 14.5mm MGs non of those weapons are hard core high tech. The pretty much used all over the world.

agaugust: seleka rebels have no list of weapons any UN or SIPRI arms transfer/sales log. how did you get their weapons list for sure ? did you enter inside seleka weapons armoury to do research and come out alive to post it ?

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Selka is not a country< how every chad and sudan along with militias in them support selka.

Has for 14,5mm MG and 30mm AGLs nieth both are seen has small arms by SIPRI and are not registered.

Media personal did go there and wrote the articles, not to mention they shot at SANDF soldiers with them.

agaugust: ....you mean your propaganda lie stands as a fraud

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I gave articles to back up my claim. What do you have other than hot air.

[quote author=Demswear4u?]Btw,the automotive industry they are bragging of is just vehicle assembling.
Foreign car manufacturers use southafrica as an assembling unit.
What Nigeria need to do is to fix electricity,and those companies will come flooding in.
We don't need southafrica.[/quote]Actually we make a number of critical components and even complete engines.
http://www.southafrica.info/business/economy/sectors/automotive-overview.htm#.UdXezPmmjTA
http://www.iol.co.za/motoring/cars/ford/sa-built-ford-engines-for-us-vans-1.1439064#.UdXf7_mmjTA

Fix the electricity, SA production is at 238.3 billion kWh while nigeria is at 20.13 billion kWh. With a population 3 times our size you would need to produce 3 times as much power. instead we produce more than 10 times as much power. We also have the largest power plant construction project in Africa. So to fix it you mean pray for a miracle.

Any case even if god did grant your wish why would they choose nigeria over SA. We already have the facilities and the market. We sell cars all the way up north in algeria who are our largest non SADC african market for cars larger than nigeria. And they closer to europe than SA.

you guys do know that if you ignore them they will lose intrsted

Obiagelli: How exactly does nigeria benefit from this, what are they buying from us. I see just one winner here, if they want our trade let them open their borders.

what do you have to offer other than oil

Just because you let people vote does not mean you letting them have a choice

who here wants to be bitten by that dog? Not me. if it went for me i would shoot it. Cops are allowed to shoot aggressive dogs that go for them

Henry120: Andrew, you now want to dump the navy and chase money

no i want money for new ships

agaugust: What is the range of Valour frigates air search, surface search, and fire control radars ? With proof of the correctness of your answer.

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did THIZA not post that information.

180km for search
http://www.thalesgroup.com/Portfolio/Documents/Air_Systems_Datasheet_-_MRR_3D_NG/

60km for tracking and optics
http://www.rrs.co.za/index.php/products/products-heritage

here is info on the optics on the MPA
http://selex-es.com/~/media/Files/S/Selex-Galileo/products/air/surveillance-radar-and-situational-awareness/EOST45.pdf
and the radar is 185km
http://selex-es.com/~/media/Files/S/Selex-Galileo/products/air/surveillance-radar-and-situational-awareness/Seaspray5000E.pdf


not sure what it has to do with any thing, at 185 km the ATR42 would not know if a valour is a valour, the whole idea behind stealth is to appear has somthing else like a trawler. And the ESM system will alert the valour to any radar and where it is coming from.

by the way our lynx helicopter search radar has a 370km range
http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/aircraft/46/super-helicopter-300
http://www.telephonics.com/pdf/aps-143c(v)3.pdf

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31052:cameroon-says-it-has-4000-refugees-from-nigeria-conflict&catid=3:Civil%20Security&Itemid=113

Cameroon has received 4,000 refugees fleeing a Nigerian military offensive against Islamists in the north, the governor of the affected region said, bringing total refugee numbers from the conflict to at least 10,000.

Since mid-May, Nigerian forces have been engaged in a concerted crackdown against the Islamist militant group Boko Haram, bombing their bases, raiding neighborhoods where they are suspected to be hiding and cutting phone lines.

The remote, semi-desert region where the operation is being carried out is sparsely populated, Reuters reports.

"There are 4,000 refugees who have come in from Nigeria and we are working out a program with the International Red Cross to set up a refugee camp for them near the town of Mokolo," Cameroon's Far-North region governor Fonka Awa said.



Nigeria's military was not immediately available for comment. The local Red Cross said it was still investigating.

The figure was much lower than that given by Hamed Jaha, a member of parliament in Nigeria's Borno state, who said on Monday that 20,000 had fled from the Nigerian border towns of Ashigashiya and Ngoshe into Cameroon after army raids.

Last month the U.N. refugee agency said it had registered 6,000 refugees from Nigeria in neighboring Niger.

Boko Haram has become the biggest risk to stability in Nigeria, Africa's top oil producer and second largest economy, but rights groups and aid agencies fear that the longer the offensive against it goes on, the more the local population will suffer.

A government rights watchdog said this week that violence since President Goodluck Jonathan declared a state of emergency in May had forced thousands of farmers to flee their land. It said the exodus could trigger a food crisis.

The National Human Rights Commission said it had credible reports of killings, torture, rape and arbitrary detention by security forces. Nigerian authorities have yet to respond.

[quote author=Mr knowitall.]I disagree...i think they should intervene in almost all conflicts...and as early as possible...to minimize cost, lost of

life, and damage to properties. [/quote]And they won't because it put Cost them, puts there people lives at risk and there propertie in danger. Forghin powers only step in when it threatens them.

lagerwhenindoubt: Please elaborate.. crisis.. like Boko Haram?

That is being handled by africans yes, but if BH was in a poor country it would need forghine help.

Nomski0: FTA bt us and South africa? Its a lucrative deal but one small problem.....South africans are xenophobic. Wont this affect the deal?

[img]http://4.bp..com/-iFC5Bdl6WQ8/UA-FFpxvxsI/AAAAAAAABYA/L7nigmK4-vY/s320/raining_money12.jpg[/img]

Any case the xenophobic are the poor people in townships, the business leaders dont see nastionalt, sex, colour, age, only money.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31061:sandfs-peace-mission-training-centre-enhancing-african-peacekeeping&catid=55:SANDF&Itemid=108

Close on 3 000 military professionals and others involved in various aspects of peace missions have to date benefitted from the skills training offered by the SA National Defence Force’s (SANDF’s) Peace Mission Training Centre (PMTC).

The Centre’s mission was set out by then SANDF Human Resources Chief Lieutenant General Derrick Mgwebi (now Joint Operations Chief) when he officially took it into service in 2007. He told guests at the event that the PMTC would prepare SANDF and Department of Defence (DoD) members, as well as officials from other government departments, for peace support operations to enhance South Africa’s contributions to peacekeeping, peace-making and peace building missions on the continent.

Establishment of the PMTC was in line with an agreement entered into between then Defence Minister, Mosiuoa Lekota, and United Kingdom Defence Secretary Des Browne. The agreement saw the UK contributing R2.3 million to the PMTC.

The total cost of setting up the PMTC was R30 million, with contributions coming from South Africa, the United States and Canada in addition to the United Kingdom funding.

The Centre forms part of the SA National War College on the northern side of the Pretoria CBD but is housed in premises at the SA Army College in Thaba Tshwane.

Today the Centre continues to offer at least 10 courses a year with 40 students per course. Modules covered include disarmament, demobilisation and re-integration (DDR); peace relief and reconstruction; introduction to peace missions; gender advisors and instructors; peace mission staff officers; peace mission logistics officers course’ negotiations; peace mission commanders and military observers.

“On successful completion of courses, participants are considered qualified to serve in peace support operations under either the auspices of the AU or UN,” SANDF director corporate communications, Brigadier General Xolani Mabanga said.

Courses have been specifically structured to equip and empower participants with the knowledge, attitude and expectations required by the continental and world bodies for successful deployment on various peace related missions.

Advanced conferencing and simulation software allows participants to role play scenarios and study lessons learnt during actual peacekeeping and peace support missions.

NaijaPikinGidi: You say this just to exonorate yourself from any complicity. More like Nero playing the fiddle while Rome burned. It is clear that Nigerians have rebuked their own debaters on several occasions, but your loud silence and comment above speaks of your complicity!

i was banded and have no desire to read every rubbish post of the last few padges

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/World_News_3/article_10033.shtml

JOHANNESBURG (IPS) - If a Free Trade Area were to be negotiated between Africa's two largest economies, South Africa and Nigeria, it would have a powerful effect on trade across the sub-continent and would challenge other countries to respond.
“In my view it would bring substantial economic benefits to both sides in terms of exports, investment, competition enhancement and, ultimately, productivity,” Peter Draper, a senior research fellow at the South African Institute of International Affairs, told IPS.

The countries have already entered into an informal agreement of cooperation. In May, South African Trade and Industry Minister Rob Davies announced during a visit to this country by Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan that South Africa pledged to help Africa’s most populous nation make the automotive sector the West African nation’s flagship industrial sector.

However, there are concerns that an FTA would give one-sided benefits to the South Africans, who have a developed manufacturing sector, at the expense of the less-industrialized Nigeria.

“That is not to say South Africa is not favorably disposed, but rather to suggest that to the extent there is political will behind the idea it would be in favor of a limited trade arrangement and not a comprehensive one,” Mr. Draper said.

Johannesburg-based businessman R.J. van Spaandonk has the official license to import Apple computers, phones, tablets and other products into both the South African and Nigerian markets. He told IPS that the proposed FTA would send a very positive signal, as the two governments seem to be getting closer and closer all the time.

“But in practice the benefits may be limited. Many South African companies operate in Nigeria through non-South Africa entities, so it is not clear if they could be considered as beneficiaries of such an FTA.”

However, he did suggest that it would be a welcome move if it were to make it easier to trade between Nigeria and South Africa.

Jabu Mabuza, president of Business Unity South Africa, said that there is big potential for closer relations between the two countries, but said he would need more time to decide whether or not an FTA was the best approach.

“I personally welcome the coming together and reigniting of the relationship between our two nations.

“To the extent we can have mutual socially and politically-rewarding relations, we should do all that it takes.”

However, Dianna Games, the chief executive of Consultancy Africa @ Work, told IPS that she believes there is enough current and future trade between both nations to look at the issue of an FTA. However, she is concerned about the lack of non-oil trade from Nigeria to South Africa.

“The manufacturing sector in that country is still at a fledgling stage, partly because of serious power shortages,” she explained.

“Although Nigeria is one of South Africa’s main suppliers of crude oil, there is almost no non-oil trade taking place.”

The South African Revenue Service reported that in the first three months of 2012 Nigerian exports to South Africa were worth $750 million, with $740 million made up of mineral products, mainly oil. In the same three months, South African exports to Nigeria were worth $150 million.

“The Nigerian market itself is huge and underserved so what capacity exists is easily swallowed up by the local market itself, with some trade into the West African region. There is nothing to suggest that South Africa will be a market of choice for Nigerian goods and services for some time to come,” she said.

This caution was echoed by Foluso Phillips, the chairman of Lagos-based Phillips Consulting, a business consultancy of branding advisors.

“There is much that South Africa can offer Nigeria, but there has been a problem of attitude and lack of trust as well as divergent objectives by both parties,” he said.

“However, there must be a strong spirit of win-win, as the track record and perception makes it all look one-sided in South Africa’s favor.”

He said that any agreement between both countries had to be on real technology transfer and of value to Nigeria. He added that if an FTA were negotiated, “South Africans (could) not come to the table with a ‘smarter by half’ attitude.”

He insisted that there would need to be a focus on bringing value to Nigeria and not on making his country a dumping ground for South African goods if his country’s borders were to be thrown open to South African exports.

Ms. Games said that while there was recognition of the importance of both countries to each other and the continent generally, Nigeria would need to be persuaded of the benefit to its market.

“The discussion about developing linkages between South Africa and Nigeria in the auto industry (which took place when President Jonathan was in South Africa) is an example of something that could be replicated in other sectors,” she said.

She also believes it would be important symbolically to highlight a greater level of cooperation between the two countries, which she sees as the two pivotal states in Africa, both politically and economically.

“The economic success of each is important not just to their respective hinterlands but also to the broader development of the continent, and if an FTA proved to be politically acceptable—not just to politicians but also other stakeholders such as business—it would help to cement ties between the countries,” she concluded.

https://www.finalcall.com/artman/uploads/3/so-africa_nigeria.jpg

agaugust:
this place/thread became shambles because the south africans lost....proved to be an over-rated african military on battlefield and proved to have zero strategic intercontinental military spy capability. they could not stand the embarrasment of a more successful and unbeatable nigerian military.

crate another thread, they will come there and p.ooh p.ooh on it again, they have no shame.

@Andrewza never complains about these spam/junk/insults his country men post here, he is enjoying it....his own way of retaliation for the Seleka loss.

@THIZA started this massive spam/insults today, @THIZA of all people, i was surprised !

can we find a man of honour in south africa ?

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i don't realy read their posts so have no idea what they saying.

[quote author=Mr knowitall.]so we agree that African nations are not capable of handling conflicts by them selves right now? [/quote]depends on the crisis

[quote author=Mr knowitall.]^^^^I touched on two key points...resources and funds....its one thing to send military to fight rebels..but its another

to be able to continue fighting and suppressing them...and after the war....they will need funds to rebuild the

nation.....Now given the amount of continuous conflict in Africa...don't you think that African nations would deplete their

funds if the EU OR UN don't help them?[/quote]Has i said we should not turn down forghine help to african efforts

[quote author=val_dubem]The security there is whack. I can bring him 'down if I choose to. U need to see Gooduck's security arrangement; so Tight.[/quote]killing A US president is not hard, get away afterward is the hard part. That is why the SS are more worried about nutjobs than professional.

Henry120: If the paranoid american leader had visited nigeria, I'm sure he would have taken 2 nuclear armed B-2 spirits , 30 F-35's and 2 aircraft carriers along with him.

The leader came along on his african tour, with enough personnel and hardware to over-run any african country in just a couple of days, if the need arose.

well it was only about 500 US security. In SA they had comply with SA rules so our SF and swat teams were embedded with the the US team.

When Obama went to robben island there was a SAN frigate watching the waters, SAPS handled the outer perimeter, SAAF and SAPS airwing had helicopters and fighter jets in the sky. In total the SANDF deployed just over 300 members to watch obama and i don't have SAPS numbers.

A South African government official with knowledge of the planning operation played down rumours of tensions between the two countries’ security officials. He said, however, that the South Africans did need to stamp their authority due to the Americans’ “paranoia” and issues such as the number of assault weapons that would be brought into the country.

He said that even previous multilateral meetings with numerous heads of state simultaneously in the country, such as the recent BRICS summit, did not involve as elaborate a security operation as the visit by the US president. The official said that while other African countries are generally more compliant to the Americans, the South Africans made sure that their own security protocols were complied with.

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2013-07-02-when-the-worlds-most-powerful-man-came-to-town/#.UdMVk_mmjTA

SA does not like being told what to do in it own country, even by america.

[quote author=Mr knowitall.]Sorry but these are not strong cases to prove your point....you can actually count these cases as mistakes.....and

secondly you havent proved that African nations can handled conflicts on their own...[/quote]How is france refusing SA sending in forces a mistake? That is dilbret

Has i said getting outside support is not a problem but wherever possible Africans must take the lead.

What about the SADC intervention brigade in eastern DRC, a african led endeavour to help in the DRC

Idoma Likita: WHO ARE WAH?

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