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[quote author=Mr knowitall.]As it stands, African nations need the helps of global bodies such as European Union (EU) and United Nations (UN) to

resolved conflicts. Most African nations do not have the funds or resource, to fight and suppress violent rebels and

insurgents that are well armed and well funded. Moreover, if you look back at the history of Africa, you will see that

manner issues and disagreements tends to lead to genocide. Africa is not capable of handling it's own disputes and

conflicts because of poverty, illiteracy, unreliable government, corruption, bad infrastructure, and lack of innovation

and technology. [/quote]And sometimes outside bodies will hinder or even aid in rebellions.

2 cases are open to us.

ONE CAR. In CAR france controlled the airport and prevented SA from flying in reinforcements, it claimed that it would make the airport a target for the rebels. There is strong evidence that Chad a strong ally of france aided the rebels. If there were no french interference SA could have flown in there battalion to CAR instead of uganda.

Malil, the rebellion only occurred because of the fall in libya flooded the are with lots of military grade tech and weapons, libya only fell because NATO over step their mandate of implementing a no fly zone and insteaded provided rebels with close air support. Thus NATO caused malil.

Yes, though get foreign help to achieve this should not be turned down the effort should be led by africans

Donian007: These SAns are always the first to throw stones forgeting how bad and sorry their own country smells. I too have a lot of info about their rot-sides but I just decided not to post because it's of no use. Each time I see @Gingerbeer, @Kwame and likeminds' posts I just smile and scrolldown. SMH

yes but the stones are pretty old(check the dates on the storys), country to popular belief these events are not as common has made out.

this thread needs a ignore function.

skype1986: if there happen 2 b a coup in nigeria,ecowas,AU,nt even SA can do anythin 2 force 9ja bk 2 civilian rule,d highest they will do is make noise cos i can bet it wit anybodi no country in africa wil make a mistake 2 attack 9Ja in any form,d highest dey can do is xpel nigerians out f there country.SA 4 example cannt do this cos we will close dwn mtn 4 dem in 9ja nd west africa. wat may probably happen re series f sanctions 4rm d US,UK,nd d EU against nigeria nd even aside 4rm dat, 9ja is quite influential she will cope wit wat eva pressure comin 4rm external foreign countries. The bst bet is a revolt 4rm nigerians themselves which will nw b fuelled by foriegn countries like d US nd UK.this is bst bet.

A invasion is not going to happen i agree and if the coup plotters are smart they could lessen the economic backlash to a few weapons sales sanctions.

But international sanctions would cripple nigeria, your industrial base is to small for nigeria.

on the matter of SA vs nigeria in police and level of violence.

SA has very high crime levels but by far most murders occur between people who know each other EG you hang with a bad crowd you asking for trouble. There is also thread on this subject

Henry120: Which is it? Is it that "tribute to naija military" thread?

whos has the strongest standing army thread though i follow both in the effect of activty

agaugust: @Andrewza called me F00L many times and he just called me bloody brain today. I called him a fool yes, how does that equal calling him an animal APE / MONKEY ?

I have personally stood up against any insult to @Andrewza about his medical issues on this forum, even against my own countrymen.

Calling a black man an APE /MONKEY is a worldwide language of racial hatred established since the time of slave trade till today.

You are a clear racist, don't twist it !

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i believe i said use your bloody brain, you should be honored as it is a upgrade from fool. It implies you have the intellect but refuse to use it. i am basically saying "you know you wrong"

for the rest, i agree calling a black man a monkey is racist.

agaugust: south african valour frigates like any other stealth warship is visible to enemy radar appearing as about 25% of its normal size. so no where to hide in open sea. nigerian airforce ATR-42 Surveyor maritime aircrafts have powerful sea search radar with fantastic long range 330km.

in real war, once those south african frigate fire one single missile the ships position is known to the enemy and stealth value is lost, imagine when it fires 8 missiles, the ship's position/location is totally betrayed as judas iscariot betrayed jesus christ

https://img1.findthebest.com/sites/default/files/1617/media/images/Alenia_ATR_42_MP_Surveyor_523710.jpg

you got 2, and a frigat can stay at sea for far longer than a aircraft can in the air, you have nothing in your invontory to use to attack our valour frigats. as was mentioned in the little discussion. We can out wait it.

sambos994: This thread has been killed...

there is another Military thread, very few people use it though.

NaijaPikinGidi: You are wrong because there is no evidence of your Police in peacekeeping anywhere in the world. Show proof or remain WRONG!!

You and who ever licked your post should put more faith in me

http://www.info.gov.za/speech/DynamicAction?pageid=461&sid=20571&tid=38967

Other missions have been weapons search and destruction in both mozambique and angola

Let's put it this way. In SA most muerders hapen between people who know each other. So don't hang around with the wrong crowd you will be fine. Most robbers don't want to kill you just your money.

Nigeria has indescrimted vilonence. Intera villges get raided, bombings, extra.

SA has very accurit poliece recorders. Nigeria has many undocument crimes.

frosbel: But seriously , if South Africa is not as violent as Nigeria, how come all the whites are running away.

In fact we have tons of our beloved white African brothers working here in the UK and doing exceptionally well.

By God's mercies, I have been on holiday to Nigeria many times and have never had any issues relating to security such as kidnappings, robberies etc.

I attribute this to God's protection.

Most whites leave due to economics. Affertiv acstion and all that. Basicaly me has a white south african am less effected by crime than say the poor black. How ever I am less lickley to get a promostion. The SANDF has balnced out now so if another white guy above me gets promoted or leaves I have a spot. How ever privat companies are not ballanced so you end up with sittsions where a black guy will jump in front of white people. A good example is SAA who have stoped hiring white pilots.

Many white people leave because of this. On average a black persone is at great risk of crime.

Handsomeemmy: These are some of the refurbished tank by Nigerian Army Engineers. It was rumoured that the APC Igirigi was built by Nigeria Army engineers from the scratch.

I dont see any tanks. I do see apcs and armored cars but no tanks. Just saying.

Any idea on what work was done or was it just paint and a clean

Donian007: GARBAGE!

really show me where i am wrong.

Henry120: nigeria has a large european/american community, but unlike in SA, zimbabwe, namibia or angola where white people like yourself are indigenous to the country, in nigeria, most caucasians are expat's.

You got a huge number of europeans, americans and white south africans in nigeria.

There is also a huge asian community, largest african lebanese community, indians, chinese and filipinos. Outside johannesburg, lagos, luanda and nairobi are africa's most cosmopolitan cities.

The guys in that photo are most likely Israelis. The israelis have a huge presence in nigeria's defence sector.

thanks, it makes sense that they are israely. Probably the trainers.

Israel is very big in the african defense in general. You find them all over the place. When the israeli SF did that rescue at entebbe some of the members had been there before to train the ugandan soldiers. Idiamen actual let the terrorist land there because he was angry at israel for pulling out their support. Seems they did not want to train soldiers who cut of the limbs of women.

However it not out of love, they helped apartheid SA well helping black african countries that had emerged from colonial rule. This is why SA and israel are not on the best of terms.

Henry120: White nigerians

Really?


i have seen a white kenyan before and there are few white people in Southern Africa who are white excluding SA,Zim and nambia

Horus: https://i.imgur.com/3V41cCY.jpg

Made in Nigeria UAV Test Flight

https://i.imgur.com/3lRXYe5.jpg

Made in Nigeria UAV Test Flight

who the white people in first pic?

agaugust: tell the above story to your under-aged seleka masters below

https://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-17/central-african-republic-seleka-rebels.jpg

Read the article you get your ever so recycled pic from and you will see they agree with us. Funny how only those with no actual knowledge on military and wars are the only ones who agree with you

NaijaPikinGidi: As usual your story changes. Before it has always been stories of how perfect South Africa is and how terrible everything Nigeria is. Suddenly, after the real ugly side of South Africa has been exposed you want to give yourselves some softlanding by saying you never denied having problems. Like we all have known and said here, all that glitters in South Africa is not gold. Cry us an ocean with your budgets!

Hardly has was mentioned this article was posted last year all ready. I said the same thing then. All so go through my posts you will see where i mention a few times how the SANDF is underfunded by about 2 billion USD and short about 10 000 soldiers. Every military has problems nigerias just has bigger problems

chris365: If this guys are as good as they look, why can't they be deployed to the streets where gangs have taken over and crime rate keeps rising everyday. like the Brazilians did few days back. that's how you test might, not by modelling for a few shots

Watch rose kemp gangs when he is in rio and tell me how they got it under control.

That was not gangs but protesters a few days a go

agaugust: nobody here believes so called seleka rebels comments published in any south african news media because all south africans were born with the hereditary genetics of telling lies to convince a clinically dead man that he is only asleep for one night.

who will trust a south african source ? mr.satellite, show us a BBC/VOA/DW/RFI/REUTERS report that quotes a seleka rebel directly and not quoting what a south african source fraudulently claimed seleka said. we are not fools here...south africa has a 'satellite' for military use called DSTV, where your army watches terminator, predator, rambo and harry porter movies

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so we can say all nigerian sources are lies. Where did the pick you use come from. Who took it, BBC? VOA? CNN? because you say all info from SA media is wrong we never even lost any thing. USE your bloody brain. Why don't you post the article where that pic came from

And i still want your source on the T-craft hull

chris365: and to think that seleka is not as organised and sophisticated as the rebels in Liberia, SL, Niger-delta, Boko Haram. i can't even imagine what will happen when south african military face only challenges of Boko Haram. not to talk of all the challenges the Nigerian military faces both domestic and world wide. i think that article i posted is very correct and SA military should never be compared with Nigerian Military in any way. (even if they produce the shiniest weapons in the world) even Kenya will invade SA from my own point of view... QED

you do know selka had Chadian army generals in its high command, had heavy weapons up to 23mm auto canons. For the most part selka was a very well armed group. so please dont talk about what you do not know

all4naija: Lol... The gripen and F-7 cost almost the same. I think you are joking by looking at it from a low budget side. It is clear you have know idea of F-7NI fighter jet.

please post both their prices for new models if bought this year.

The J7 is a low budget air craft that well cheap. Hence used in such large numbers. It is still just a upgraded mig 21

[quote author=drag_on]@andrewza check your sources: dailytrust? premiumtimes? lol those are not credible/trusted/tested papers in Nigeria.They never say anything positive and are sensationalist.To quote them make sure you have multiple sources.Your fox news articles talk about the failure of the 'prison service' and the quick response of the military and the co.za link is down.They prob decided the story is false.[/quote]dont really no what nigerian news sours are trustworthy, the SA one was about human rights abuses in the north some commission did

patriot4: You are not qualified to answer this question and the reasons for which we need ballistic missiles are none of your concern.

listen here mr frenchman nigeria does not have any slmbs, icbms or any form of long range missiles. Nor does it even have a need for such a waste of money. Unless you go top of line or use a WMD they of little threat. Only good enough to bomb cities.

all4naija: Lol... The same can be said of Gripen jet fighters.

These are videos below for your viewing pleasure.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6yVU_yYtEc

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iToQ2FykoI

you do know the jas39 was still in development back then.

all4naija: Can you prove that? There is no way F-7 is a joke, my friend. The manoeuvrability of Nigeria's F-7 outperforms that of the Gripen.

really show me where that is proven.

Any case do you not under stand off boresight attack.

patriot4: Can any of myfellow Nigerians tell me if we have ballistic missiles yet ?

no, and for what reason does nigeria even need one.

all4naija: The specifications of both fighter jets will prove you wrong. You are only looking at the body design to judge both aircrafts. The specifications of both fighter jets as follow:

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South Africa's SAAB JAS 39 Gripen

(a)Specifications

JAS39 Gripen.svg
Side-view of circular aircraft engine exhaust nozzle, showing two distinct layers

(b) General characteristics

Crew: 1 (2 for JAS 39D)
Payload: 5,300 kg (11,700 lb)
Length: 14.1 m (46 ft 3 in); two-seater: 14.8 m (48 ft 5 in)
Wingspan: 8.4 m (27 ft 7 in)
Height: 4.5 m (14 ft 9 in)
Wing area: 30.0 m² (323 ft²)
Empty weight: 6,800 kg[210] (12,600 lb)
Loaded weight: 8,500 kg (18,700 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 14,000 kg (31,000 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Volvo Aero RM12 afterburning turbofan
Dry thrust: 54 kN (12,100 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 80.5 kN (18,100 lbf)
Wheel track: 2.4 m (7 ft 10 in)

(c)Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 2 (2,204 km/h, 1,372 mph) at high altitude
Combat radius: 800 km (500 mi, 432 nmi)
Ferry range: 3,200 km (2,000 mi) with drop tanks
Service ceiling: 15,240 m (50,000 ft)
Wing loading: 283 kg/m² (58 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.97

(d)Armament

Guns: 1 × 27 mm Mauser BK-27 Revolver cannon with 120 rounds (only available on single-seat A/C model)
Hardpoints: 8 (three on each wing and two under fuselage) and provisions to carry combinations of:
Rockets: 4× rocket pods 13.5 cm rockets
Missiles:
6× Rb.74 (AIM-9) or Rb 98 (IRIS-T)
4× Rb.99 (AIM-120) or MICA
4× Rb.71 (Skyflash) or Meteor
4× Rb.75
2× KEPD.350
2× Rbs.15F anti-ship missile
Bombs:
4× GBU-12 Paveway II laser-guided bomb
2× Bk.90 cluster bomb
8× Mark 82 bombs

SOURCE


2.
Nigeria's F-7NI Fighter jet

(a)Specifications

Data from Jane's All The World's Aircraft 2003–2004[36]

(b)General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 14.885 m (Overall) (48 ft 10 in)
Wingspan: 8.32 m (27 ft 3½ in)
Height: 4.11 m (13 ft 5½ in)
Wing area: 24.88 m² (267.8 ft²)
Aspect ratio: 2.8:1
Empty weight: 5,292 kg (11,667 lb)
Loaded weight: 7,540 kg (16,620 lb) (two PL-2 or PL-7 air-to-air missiles)
Max. takeoff weight: 9,100 kg (20,062 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Liyang Wopen-13F afterburning turbojet
Dry thrust: 44.1 kN (9,921 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 64.7 kN (14,550 lbf)

(c)Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 2.0 (2,200 km/h (1,189 knots, 1,375 mph)) IAS
Stall speed: 210 km/h (114 knots, 131 mph) IAS
Combat radius: 850 km (459 nmi, 528 mi) (air superiority, two AAMs and three drop tanks)
Ferry range: 2,200 km (1,187 nmi, 1,367 mi)
Service ceiling: 17,500 m (57,420 ft)
Rate of climb: 195 m/s (38,386 ft/min)

(d)Armament

Guns: 2× 30 mm Type 30-1 cannon, 60 rounds per gun
Hardpoints: 5 in total - 4× under-wing, 1× centreline under-fuselage with a capacity of 2,000 kg maximum (up to 500 kg each)[37]
Rockets: 55 mm rocket pod (12 rounds), 90 mm rocket pod (7 rounds)
Missiles:
Air-to-air missiles: PL-2, PL-5, PL-7, PL-8, PL-9, Magic R.550, AIM-9
Bombs: 50 kg to 500 kg unguided bombs
Avionics
FIAR Grifo-7 mk.II radar

SOURCE

has was said and has this shows the gripen is the better air craft.

You only got 2 AAMs at 850km combat radiance, Gripen can fly 800km and still perform both ground attacks and anti air. It can carry more to, basically the F7 is a joke

Pabsjoe: SA may have all the best military hardware in Africa but it is the worst trained.Recently they were butched with mere untrained rebels in the CAR.Interms of effectiveness in southern africa i would rate Zimbabwe as number 1.It may not fit in yo criteria but those guys were the ones who defended Kinshasa on the brink of collapse to the rebels,where did laurent kabila run to to ask for military help?it was Zim,why didnt he go to SA?it was Zim Army again which led the final assault that killed jonas savimbi in Angola,Zim army also helped fight the Renamo bandits in Mozambique.Again it also helped Namibia get its independence.Right now it is the one training the officers of the SADC standby brigade.It has deployed on UN missions more than any other country in africa.It has been asked to deploy in Kossovo,Somalia.Darfur region etc..if u want to see more interms of combat experience and past operations jus google ZNA and you will c that it has participated in many conflicts than any other country could.also remember it was the first country to deploy in DRC and it recaptured key towns and institutions among them the dam which supplied power to Kinshasa which had been taken by rebels.Zim may be a small army and doesnt have morden hardware but interms of combat experience it very lethal,Ask the CIA or the British,

250 odd SA solders fought more than 3000 heavily armed rebels who included ex military types and mercs from sudan and chad. SA suffered 15 dead 25 wounded and killed around 800 rebls. One rebel captain admitted to reports he lost half of his 500 strong force alone. When fighting the para bat company (200 men with a attchet weapons platton) rebels thought there were 400 south african solders.

So please best not to talk about what does not understand