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agaugust:
first point of correction, about 330 of nigerian army 660 artillery guns have range of 20km to 30km, and 50 of the guns are mobile palmaria guns that can advance towards enemy positions from north, east, west directions at speed of 60km/hr on road, i posted the photo on page 479.

you say nigerian artillery is useless ? okay, when we fire it, put your first born son's head directly in front of the gun to block the 'useless' shell from coming out.

please dont drag us back on this thread with that F00LISH talk that nigerian army air defense cannot shoot down south african airforce, i proved it may/june so go back to pages 290 to 310. nigerian Roland SAM and south african Gripen jet cannot harm each other as long as they both stay away from each other and no direct challenge. proved on this forum

i said america and europe dont care to build artillery guns to shoot range 75km because armies dont stay that far part in real life war, or else it is no more a war. how will tanks/armoured vehicles and infantry engage each other ?

south african military academies teach nonsense and should come to nigeria for upgrading.

if your weapon artillery is good because of range 75km, out of 150 countries of the world, only 3 will not be using it, and since 25 years ago you sold only about 150 units, even your own south africa the producer has only 43 units. please keep quite and dont use politics as an excuse, it sounds too childish.

only a south african military academy with its poor combat strategic doctrine will dream of using 43 G6 artillery gun to defeat a massive army like nigeria. while your 75km range guns are firing, nigeria's far bigger army will split into 4 different fronts and attack south africa's far smaller army from 4 positions of attack lines, two front lines, one east line, one west line . south african army will first be trapped in a nigerian army pincer formation and secondly surrounded from behind your back. that is what cuban army did to south african army and forced your country to call for peace negotiation to avoid defeat.

quote :

"Cuba considerably reinforced its troops in Angola and came to the defence of the besieged FAPLA; the South African advance was stopped at the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale, the largest battle in Africa since World War II, in which both sides have claimed victory. The bulk of the Cuban forces advanced towards Namibia further to the west, threatening to cut off the SADF-Forces remaining at Cuito. On 27 June 1988, Cuban MiG-23 fighters bombed the Calueque hydro-electric complex at 16.7367°S 14.9669°E, disabling it and killing 12 SADF soldiers. For some analysts [22] the stalemate at Cuito and the death toll and vulnerability to Cuban MiGs was viewed with apprehension by the SADF and may have had some bearing on the fact that a peace accord was agreed soon afterwards. United Nations-mediated negotiations took place with the aim of achieving peace in and independence for South-West Africa/Namibia and the South African ground troops completed their withdrawal from Angola on 30 August 1988 before the negotiations were concluded."

source :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Border_War

south african army is too weak in fire-power and too short in man-power, nigerian army is superior and will roast south african army.

you dont know what a real life battle-field looks like. its not a clean, neat, gentle man forum, battle field is bloody, scattered, rapidly changing, interlocking and confusing.

nigerian army will wipe out the south african army, and there will be no french army at any airport for south african soldiers to run for protection like in CAR.

how is that a point of correcstion we never. said you dont have guns with 20km to 30km range. and since when did 39 turn in to 50. you say you will drive foward but here is one for you, the g6 can drive backwards. any case lets say there is battel and one side has a 30km sph and another a 75km sph. both are 30km from the battel field. in order for the 30km sph to be able to shoot back at the 75km sph it would have to drive 30km and enter the battel field. it would be come a proity target at the same level of a tank only it has not got the same level of protectsion. and the 75km sph just needs to drive 1km backwards.

no you did not prove it, you failed to show how the roland built to fight low flying tagets would stop a saaf fighter droping pgms from out of the range of it's missiel. you proved nothing there same has with the naval simmlustion. only thing you proved was you know nothing.

and i menstioned that europe is trying to get rounds that can reach that far, america has airpower and cruisse missiels so does not need to worry about the counter battry since there airforce could do the job. but ask the vietnam vets whos guns where fob guns where out ranged how it felt to be sheld with out being able to respond.

wikpeadia is not a source, any case the goal of ops hopper was never to captuer the town but to stop a attack, sa stoped the attack inflected masive losses on the enemy, drove them back and useing the G5 were able to shell the airbase at the town. 3000 sa solders tied up a massive amount of cuban solders. the battel was so bad for cuba that one genrail was exucted for it and another ran away to america.


we would be glade to be wiped out like we were in car, because we were not wiped out. and we achvied a 30 to 1 kill rastio.

[quote author=drag_on]SANDF clipped wings: http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/05/10/air-force-wings-clipped
extract: "The bottom line is that, with severely limited funding, none of the pilots can fly the hours they need to if they hope to be proficient. "The Gripen fighter squadron has been allocated a total of 150 flying hours for the entire squadron. But 150 hours is what each pilot should be flying.

"It is so bad that, last year, plans were [considered for] removing from service the Gripens, the Hawk fighter-trainer jets, the Rooivalk attack helicopters and the A109 light utility helicopters."[/quote]They ended up flying 850 hours. And there are simulators.

Donian007: When are going to be done with this preaching?

why should i be done

Donian007: Sorry that Panhard ERC90 has a 90mm gun and yours is 76mm so?

90mm low velocity vs 76 high velocity. The 90mm used on many french armoured car struggles against tanks. the

Donian007: At this juncture I'll demand that you Andrewza should shut-up. Why are you getting yourself worked-up because Nigerian Constitution gave GEJ the right to wear military uniforms with the rank of field marshal on ceremonial duties? Nigeria and South Africa are not thesame, we have a policy that works for our nation and military, our military are highly respected and so they give us same. We don't trade their lives for selfish things. Our military have trained other militaries e.g(liberia, ghana, etc) and have never deployed companies or battalions that would go acting Rambo where they are strangers. Get it into your brain, Nigeria is Nigeria not South Africa.

yes but it still a civilian in a uniform,

question are you in the military, because people that are dont like civilians posing has us. Even with in the milltary i would never claim something i am not. It just a personal issue.

chris365: @Andrewza

tell me about the car in the first pic. am a bit crazy about cars.

looks like one bad a*s ride.

don't know? sorry
looks custom made.

Normally at these SANDF public expos we have a section of non military stuff. from sponsors stalls to stuff men like such has sweet rides.

SAAF museum air craft.

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/saaf_museum_flying_training_day_july_2013_83/saaf_museum_flying_training_day_july_2013_23_20130708_2047726851.jpg
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http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31088:reserves-add-value-to-army-operations&catid=55:SANDF&Itemid=108

More proof of the value add provided by the Reserve Force to meeting SA National Defence Force (SANDF) operational commitments comes from Major General Roy Andersen, Chief: Defence Reserves.

More than 14 200 Reserves were called up for duty in the 2012/13 financial year for an average of 61 days each.

“The Infantry Formation made 30 Reserve companies available for deployment in external peace support operations and a further 28 companies were deployed for border protection,” Andersen said, adding that all four arms of service were making “extensive and effective use” of Reserves.

The wider utilisation of Reserve Force elements in support of the full-time component of the SANDF has been welcomed by SA Army Chief, Lieutenant General Vusi Masondo.

“There is now an awareness of the Reserves as an integral part of the Army in terms of the One Force approach, as never before. This is entirely due to the fact that Reserves are playing an important role in the Army despite all the limiting factors against the rebuilding of the Reserves,” he said.

Apart from external and border protection duties, Reserves have also been called up to support work done by other government departments. An example of this is the customs and excise section of SA Revenue Services.

Masondo is adamant all means at his disposal within budgetary and other constraints will be used to continue rejuvenation and transformation of the Army Reserves so “they can stand shoulder to shoulder with their Regular Force counterparts”.

“The contribution the Reserves make to our military efforts and the nation-building role they play in maintaining supportive and respectful relations with the military and civilian population is fully appreciated. The SA Army cannot do what is expected of it without the support of the Reserves. As part of the One Force its efforts are appreciated in building up an effective and combat-ready SA Army,” said the three star general at the head of the SANDF’s landward arm.

An example of the nation-building aspect of the work done by the Reserves comes from an Operation Corona deployment comprising a battalion of Western Cape Army Reserve Force units drawn from the Cape Town Rifles and the Cape Town Highlanders.

While deployed on the South Africa/Zimbabwe border in and around Musina, an outreach programme initiated by Captain Mark van Zyl benefitted the Masisi community.

After identifying a particular need a duly electedall-soldier committee was established with fundraising as objective number one.

“A team of builders, masons, painters, carpenters and sign writers was soon assembled. The result of their work and that of the fundraisers was the Masisi Community Crèche, furnished with items such as curtains, mattresses, tables, chairs, shelving and microwaves – all acquired courtesy of generous contributions from members of the Dukes. This moved one prominent member of the community to say: ‘I never knew soldiers were capable of doing something like this. In all my life I have never seen such a thing,’” Van Zyl said.

The outreach initiative did not detract in any way from the border protection tasking of the Reserve battalion. Apart from stopping and handing over numerous illegal immigrants to the correct authorities, soldiers confiscated “dozens of vehicles” and contraband valued at close on R24 million.

Picture: Reserve force members sharpening their fighting in built-up area (Fibua) skills.


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[quote author=Mike..ZA]SANDF didn't lose any valuable equipment in CAR,only a few "troop packs".But did you see the well coordinated response from all arms of the SANDF during the withdrawal,Gripen were flown to Zambia,Rooivalks stationed near by,Mobile clinics set,supported by the other parabats company which was not deployed. While the Nigerian armed forces only folded their arms and watch Islamic rebels or terrorists take town after town in Mali last year,in Nigeria's "region of influence". To tell you the truth Nigeria's army has never been tasted in combat,against a well armed,well organised force.[/quote]We did lose a commes system, a few land cruisers and 2 geekos though most of the vehicles were damaged.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31093:delville-wood--sandf-remembers-military-history&catid=56:diplomacy-a-peace&Itemid=111

South African National Defence Force (SANDF) Chief: Reserves Major General Roy Andersen used a visit to two World War One memorials in France to remind leaders that peace only lasts until the next war and that steps have to be taken to meet any threat at any given moment.

He was speaking on July 7 at the Deville Wood Memorial, the site of what he called “a place that witnessed so terrible a testing of the human spirit under conditions so frightful over so long an unbroken period of time to which young South African volunteer soldiers were subjected”.

Andersen also visited the Arques-la-Bataille cemetery during what has become an annual pilgrimage for him.

Referring to the hallowed ground of Delville Wood he said it was “doubly hallowed by virtue not only of the fact that over 600 of those young men who fought and died here, still lie unburied within the confines of the wood, now made lovely again by its regrown trees, but also because here stands the only national memorial to the 25 000 volunteers of all races who died while serving in the South African forces during two World Wars, the Korean conflict, the Struggle for Freedom and more recent peace support missions”.

Recalling the Battle of Delville Wood, he said events started on July 15, 1916, when three battalions of young men marched out of trenches two hours before dawn with orders to hold the Wood at all costs. It ended six days later when five officers and 750 men marched out. They were the survivors of a brigade that numbered 3 032 men and 121 officers.

“Their fortitude and resolution set an example to the next generation of South Africans who fought in World War Two. By 1945, 334 378 South Africans of all races had participated and 14 341 had made the supreme sacrifice. They too are remembered far away from home.

“This year 15 brave young South African soldiers lost their lives in the Central African Republic. We remember their sacrifice and our thoughts are with their families.

“These groups from World War One and Two and more recent conflicts are honoured by this memorial to all those who died for their country in action overseas.

“The Delville Wood Museum also portrays the courageous Struggle for Freedom in South Africa which culminated in the democratic elections and the end to apartheid in 1994. They paved the way for the freedom in South Africa.

“The Delville Wood War Memorial is not only testimony to South Africa’s proud military past but it also carries a message for future generations. It is a reminder of the military lessons learnt from previous wars that should never be forgotten, and should be taken to heart.

“It tells us that peace only lasts until the next war, and that we should take the necessary steps to prepare ourselves to meet any threat at any given moment,” Andersen said.

Henry120: The russians are offering to modernise them in other to improve their tactical and technical characteristics, and also fit the planes with modern air-to-ground missiles.

The T-72's would come from ukrainian surplus stocks. The ukrainians would also up-grade them. One of the up-grades would be to enable the tank fire missile rounds.

so no thrust vector?

I though that was standard on ukraine T72s, they never received export models or has they better known monkey models.

chris365: don't you smell something here?
i think Ethiopia realizes that when Egypt is able to regain itself from the situation they are in and elect a more decisive leader, they'll want to claim back their portion of the Nile which is their lifeline. Ethiopia is preparing for any possibilities.. abi wetin you think?

That the distance between the to is rather larger and egpty can not support a large enough force that far south. There will be no overt war, at best a raid or terrorist(sponsored by egypt) attack. Even then that would only delay the the dam.

Henry120: The ethiopians have placed orders for

200 upgrded T-72 MBT's from Ukraine. The MBT's would be delivered from ukrainian surplus stocks.

Also in line are 18 ex indian SU-30's from russia. The russians have offered the Ethiopians up-grades of the SU-30's.

i wonder if the upgrade of the SU30 will include thrust vector. Without it the SU30 is not that nimble, it was why india gave them back or should i say swapped them with upgraded once, which makes me wonder on whether russia is just dumping them.

and are those T72 upgraded or refurbished.

[quote author=IGBO-SON]Can the police tell us why they feel the assailants 'could' be Nigerians, or is that too much to ask?[/quote]darker skin color, accent, language, extra

Olodostein: Time will tell. God Bless Africa

no it the randelar is already a fact.

chris365: you are a blind, dull, s.tupid and f.oolish little boy. you need to go back to school.

prove you are not by quoting where i stated any constitution. if you can't then the world should see you for who you really are. A paranoid f.ool

it was onomedavid who said it.

Henry120: You are a cheap liar. The SANDF were poorly equipped for their mission in CAR (full stop). Not this silly talk of not wanting to look like an imperialist bla bla.

I agree i merely gave the reason. does not mean i support it.

GidiNaijaPikin: Again your stupidity is a problem and your brain needs to be checked. Ask your SANDF where they were last weekend when over 44 people were murdered in Cape Town by gangs of the Cape Flats? Please don't overdo yourself.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/44-killed-in-bloody-Cape-Town-weekend-20130702

Mike..ZA help yourself.

That is not a matter for the army.

GidiNaijaPikin: South Africans and their warped sense of reasoning! It's more like asking where your SANDF has been with all the Rhinos in your National Parks being dehorned by Chinese poachers inside South Africa.

With all your shiny weapons yet brutal crime is still the best hobby in all of South Africa? Stop playing stupid games!

Please be useful to yourself.

Yes but all your animals were poached long time. And the SANDF is there along with the game rangers, and arrest and shoot outs do occur. Problem is rhino horn is worth more than gold and mozambique is full of poor people, guns and a long border with SA. Still there are a number of graves on there side of the border.

GidiNaijaPikin: Rosy allusions. It's in your stride.

Read the report battle of bangui. There where request for a number of things all turned down due to this point and or it was not seen has worth the effort or cost. The mandai for the soldiers was to protect the SANDF training team not fight a war. That was fomacs job, the pic(links to pics) show FOMAC add heavy fire power, but they ran away.

Henry120: In combat, we'd know which of the two is superior to the other.

The numbers don't lie, only down side of the rooikat is it can not be flown in a C130 but the armour and firepower and ground mobility make up for it

sheyie2007: Israel Destroys S-300 Missiles Sent To SYRIA While World Focuses On EGYPT!! - 


http://www.globalresearch.ca/act-of-war-israel-attacks-syrian-weapons-depot-containing-advanced-russian-arms/5341940

It nothing new israel has attacked most of it neighbours if they start to get something that they feel is a threat

GidiNaijaPikin: Let's leave the answer for the battlefield. Don't waste your time now.
Where was this armoured vehicle hiding during the CAR battle?

Zuma did not wish to appear has a imperialist force hence the light footprint of the SANDF force in CAr

[quote author=Mike..ZA]Can this armoured fighting vehicle,take on its South African counterpart the Rooikat in combat?[/quote]the 76mm gun of the rooikat is able to penetrate the armour of a T55/T62 or similar tank(vickers)from around 2000m from any angel a AML90 sagger90 or similar armoured car would be childs play. It would all so get the first sho due to a better fir control computer and sighting system.

i thought we would see something interesting that has not been seen before like T55, T72, vickers, BTR3s extra.

onomedavid: i will advise you to read the Nigerian constitution,section 130,part 1,chapter vi under the special priviledges act.The right to wear mil. Uniforms is vested in the constitution.

I full understand you let him wear it, i just think that it is wrong that you let him wear it.

now lets look at FOMAC

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yes this is a pic of FOMAC not Seleka. To be prises they solders from CHAD, you know the country that helped saved malil.
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agaugust: seleka rebels have no list of weapons any UN or SIPRI arms transfer/sales log. how did you get their weapons list for sure ? did you enter inside seleka weapons armoury to do research and come out alive to post it ?

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child soldiers with only AKs?

sheyie2007: and if obama chooses to wear the uniform?

he never has, bush wore a flight suit when he flew to a aircraft carrier but other than that never seen a sitting us president parade in uniform, if one did well my stance does not change. Any case why the love for the yanks.

thoth: what other side ? do you want to tell us that 100% of Zimbabweans oppose Mugabe ? can you say of 50% or you meant in a fascist way that only your supposed opposition has the right to a say ?



Did you say gained ? gained?? how was it gained ? by bombing and killing the inhabitants and driving them out ? is that how sane humans Gain things, how brainwashed can Africans ever be to accept such atrocity on their brothers as reasonable, i am not surprised i have also seen Africans that find reasons to justify slavery and colonization.



By when Ian smith was president you mean when Zimbabwe was exploited and minority white which were less than 10% of the population was rich and all blacks were Servants, is that what you meant ?
By when Ian Smith was president, you meant when blacks don't even have full rights and privilege as citizens in their own country ?
By South Africa being its only friend you mean its other apartheid partner, brotherly nations in atrocities against black men, south Africa was under sanctions and you refused to further tell us why south Africa was under sanctions, oh i remember , they torture and kill Africans, steal their lands, exploit their labor and pillage their mines, then they were sanctioned and their partner in crime Ian Smith used the common border with South Africa to help the White African devils to circumvent the sanctions.

I bet then you will also say that South Africa has so much money then, maybe because the extremely wretched blacks(80% of the population) that were forced to the ghettos were not south Africans, the millions of Zimbabweans that work as handy men and farm hands were not Zimbabweans.

Now Andrew i have also lived in south Africa for a short while and i was privileged to associate with the topmost class of the south African society and that was 1995 during the integration process. Only whites make such arguments like you do and i strongly believe you are either a white south African or a seriously brainwashed and dangerous African.

there is no other side to vote rigging.

you want to tell me that every piece of the vast zimbabwe was inhabited?

yes and it still had money and those poor blacks still got food to eat.

again the blacks had food to eat, and lets compare the 2 countries poast majority rule, zimbabwe a charity case then went from a bread basket to starvation. South africa richer now than it ever was and produce more than enough food for it people.