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aloeman15:
hm
na wa for u o.
must u argue?
u completely missed d guy's sophistry when he tried to claim Anglican pastors are the same as Catholic priests!
a king- in his carnal desire to divorce his wife and marry a younger model- declares his kingdom as separated from the Catholic body; but somehow d 'priests' who chose to obey his orders still have the same anointing as the hundreds who were killed for their refusal?!
shuo!
isok.
therefore-
all the many heretics in d new testament are still Christians.
abi, oga apination?

How are they heretics? Does the pope have a monopoly of Christianity? This is not an argument you should concern yourself with

Iamemmacoz:
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Can't use the Pm function again for now but my email is apination1992@gmail.com, please help me with the game, the Pm I sent you with my main mail, you did not respond to it.

Patrick33:
I got the link to download the free APK.. with save files for so you can get correct names. Images and kits or logos can be downloaded from fmm vibe. If your interested message me

How do I get the link pls?

GeniusWannabe:
A myriad of things depresses me, but one of them really gets deep into my very being -- The fact that people think I'm proud, hence most of them treat me with hate.

I have social anxiety, which makes it difficult for me to acquaint myself with people or even talk to acquaintances. I speak too little, and my mind goes plain blank almost always when I'm in the midst of a group of people. This is really frustrating because almost everyone around me thinks I'm proud. The worst kind of feeling one can have is being misunderstood. Some deliberately avoid any form of visual/verbal contact with me. Sometimes, I just wish everyone could get into my head and understand what I am going through. I could go on and on about this, but I'll stop here.

I am really depressed, and one thing that has kept me from taking my life is my fear of hell. I don't want to live an eternal life of torment after going through hell on earth. I think one of the basic causes of suicide is US! The way we treat people really matters. Many people take their lives because of the ill treatments they get from others. Many people are just too selfish that they don't even consider the consequences of their actions on the emotions of others. There is no love in this world, especially in this country.

So you want to commit suicide because of who people think you are? Must you talk to everyone? Must you even talk? Brace up and see the world for what it's and I believe you would stop giving a fvck. Live your life and make yourself happy, you alone know your limitations and I bet you nobody cares or would even understand if you tried to for the rest of your life. There are worse things to bother your self over than this nonsense �

The entity called Nigeria

jjane:
Are you a lady born woth congenital defects that seem to limit your chances of getting a suitable man to date? Have Doctors declared you medically unable to have babies? Do you have Vagina Agenesis or any kind of reproductive defect? Not to worry. You're beautifully and wonderfully made. What's even more? You're special and unique and there are men looking to meet you.

Just send a pm, and i'll add you to whatsapp group. You just talk to everyone in the group until you think there's a liking for a particular gentleman, then you can write them personally or they write you too. That's it. You can find love too today. They understand what you bring to the table and they want you.

NOTE: Please do not drop your number on here. Just send a PM and i'll try to respond as soon as possible.

Yes, i'm an old member, but for the sake of privacy and trolls i have created this new moniker.

Great idea. Would love to be a part of the group, but I'm out of PM's

Now you know why she keeps guys company mostly, she's pure evil

jidenna21:
He made a very good point. Religion has failed totally. It divides more than it unites. This why China banned this nonsense called religion their country is more peaceful than all these stupid African countries

The heart of man is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know it? Jer 17:9.

Iamemmacoz:
It is an offline game.

Please send me the game, just sent you a mail

donaldking10:
I was so madly in love with her, and for two years she lied to me that she was a virgin, and i foolishly believed her. Each time i tried to go down there, she would scream and tell me she's saving it till we get married.
So, one fateful day i went hanging'out with my friends, we started talking about our girlfriends, and i mentioned her name. One of the guys there described her to me, told me she used'to be his girlfriend, and that he had fvcked her in the past.
I was so shocked and dumbfounded, i even found it hard believing. I was even arguing with the guy that it was a lie, that my girlfriend was a virgin, and he just calmly told me that if i doubt him, that i should go ask her myself.
So, that weekend i invited her over to my lodge and decided not to ask her first, but play along as usual.
As i tried to go down there like before, she still gave me the same stupid excuse. That was when i decided to ask her.
Immediately i asked her, she started crying. I was so angry i didn't even send her tears, I just put'on my condom and fvcked the hell out of her.
My original plan was to break'up with her immediately after fvcking her, but she cried and begged'me, plus the pvssy was so sweet i couldn't.
We eventually fell back in love again, but That was the biggest mistake i made. because few months later, she started acting'up, demanding for money a lot, and she started cheating on me with another guy, and finally broke'up with me without giving me any reasonable reason.
Though i later found out it was due to one Yahoo boy called George.
I cried for weeks when it happened.
It was so painful, heart'breaking and annoying, that a girl i forgave due to the fact i loved her, and did a lot of things for would do such a thing to me. I regretted not breaking'up with her when i first had the chance.
Blessing Nkeiruka Nwamgbe God will punish you wherever you are.
Though i've finally moved'on, and currently have a wonderful, lovely, beautiful and loving real virgin in my life, whom i dis-virgined not long ago because i no longer take chances

That virginity line is the oldest in the book, never fall for it

Ubenedictus:
so you don't know that after the council of Nicea, the eastern church still fell back into arianism.

lol
So you don't know that even after Nicea several things were added to the creed.

Come-on do some research

the council of Florence comprised of the entire church both east and west.
Read some books, the east agreed during the council and rejected it later.

Some bishops from the east and not the eastern church in entirety. What comprises of the Eastern church? How does Arius and his group represent the entire Eastern church? We could go back and forth with this argument but I would advise you read unbiased articles and writeup on these issues and not just what the Roman church puts out there, which would always be in it's favour. Please no need responding cos we can have this argument all year long and there would be no headway.

Ubenedictus:
then you still don't get it.

First of all, sacraments have 3 important component from Apostolic time. They now have technical terms, form, matter and intention.

Laying hands on somebody doesn't necessarily confer upon him Apostolic succession. In fact I received a laying of hands during my confirmation, it increased in my soul the outpouring of the spirit but it didn't confer upon me any Apostolic succession because, the intention and the words used are all about confirmation.
The apostles did confer on Matthias Apostolic succession, they both intended to make him all that Jesus has made them and allow him a share in all the ministries that has been given to them.
What are the ministries giving to them?
Chief among them are Eucharist and the power to absolve sins.
The Eucharist is a sacrifice because Jesus Christ himself said "my body given for you, my blood shed for you" that is a sacrifice. And all the church fathers are unanimous in that teaching.

When you guys Anglicans, adopted the heresies of Calvin and Co, you started to doubt the power to forgive sin and the Eucharist as sacrifice.
If your Eucharist is not a sacrifice and your priest can't absolve sins, then what they are celebrating is not the true Eucharist that the entire church celebrate, if your priest are not ordained to offer sacrifice and absolve sins then they are not priests.

If your bishops decided to "ordain" people who can't offer a sacrificial liturgy and absolve sins, then they certainly did not really ordain priest.

When priest were ordained in the Catholic Church in England they were ordained as priests and just like the orthodox, with power to offer a sacrificing priesthood and absolve sin, that is exactly what a Catholic priest does. When Anglicans broke away they started to ordain people who can't offer sacrifice, those are not priests... They certainly didn't receive the power of the priesthood because the bishops never INTENDED to confer on them all that the Catholic Church confers in her ordination.

These issues are held by the entire Catholic Church as regards the priesthood, including the orthodox... You guys have fallen into heresy that has affected the intent of the sacrament.

I am referring to the entire corpus called the church fathers, from iraneus of Lyon, Ignatius of Antioch who were disciples of the apostles, down to St maximus in the 9th century. All acknowledge the headship of Rome.

Actually the council of Constantinople that elevated the Bishop of Constantinople into a patriarch pretty much shows that Rome has primacy without any arguments.

The schism were caused first and foremost by heresy, in the 4th century when most of the Eastern Bishop were Arians, that immediately caused a schism until they rejected their heresy and we're accepted back by Rome, the patriarch of Alexandria and the Church of Armenia were excommunicated in the council of chalcedon. This one between the Eastern church and the west isn't the first time schism has happened. Whenever the Eastern church falls into heresy it always results in schism until they repent and the Church of Rome accepts them back.
The last and current schism is based upon the doctrine of the Filioque, which the eastern church rejected using the teaching of Photius, ....that issue along with political issues caused the delegates sent to Constantinople to issue excommunication which became mutual.

That didn't finalise the schism though, in the council of Florence the Eastern church agreed that the fathers taught the filioque but they went back and changed their minds again so that the anathema of the council took over. That was cemented by the disastrous war of the Crusades against Constantinople.
The issue about primacy was hardly an issue, in fact it came up in the council of Florence and there was hardly argument.

Rites are based upon Apostolic tradition, that is why all rites express the INTENT of the sacraments, something the Edward rite failed in.

Apostolic succession is part and parcel of the sacrament of Holy orders AKA ordination. And all sacraments are bestowed upon the church to be celebrated for the community, he who does not receive orders validly, didn't receive succession.


I hope by now you realize that these issues are stuff I am familiar with, both in church history and ecclesiology.

It's incorrect and a lie to say most of the eastern bishops were Arians when the person in question was but a priest. The trinitarianism, or homoousianism viewpoint, was promulgated by Athanasius of Alexandria, who insisted that Homoousianism theology was both the true nature of God and the teaching of Jesus and mind you Alexandria is orthodox.

Arguing about the filioque clause is futile because it was never there in the initial agreement as signed in the Nicene council. And saying all the church fathers are unanimous in teaching is an error and you only mentioned a few names and tagged them church fathers., Who's a church father? What makes one to be called so?

The council of Florence was a Roman council not an ecumenical council consisting of the entire church so whatever they decided applied only to Rome. And mind you any council after 1054 is for a particular jurisdiction and does not affect the entire church.

Saying rites are based on apostolic tradition is rhombus, did they use oil of chrism on Mathias as is used today? Rites were introduced in time and even till today there are still new additions such as the formula used at mass, with the priest backing the people back then in the tridentine mass but facing the people in the post Vatican 2 mass.

Apostolic succession is the clause for Holy orders and not a part of it for its what makes it valid. The third clause is not just about intention but that of the minister who does what the church does. The Anglican communion does not fall within the Roman canon and is a church not subjected to the Roman canon and cannot be subject to it. Just as the Romans came up with their own idea of theology so does the Anglican church have it's own and we can only look into the Bible for guidance not the Theological opinions of those you call church fathers.

Ubenedictus:
It is you who seem ignorant of ecclesiology and church history. 23 sui iriis churches are in communion with and under the leadership of the Pope of Rome.
The Catholic Church began in Jerusalem, it as all the church fathers agree, headship of the Apostolic college was bestowed upon the apostle Peter in Matt 16:18. All the church fathers also agree that the apostle Peter died in Rome. In fact there are 3 original patriarch according to the council of Nicea and they are all petrine see. That is Rome, Antioch and Alexandria. Of these 3 the church fathers are unanimous that Rome has the headship in the church as the church where both Peter and Paul died, so rome is the church of Primacy in the world.

When the council of Constantinople made it 5 patriarch and added Jerusalem and Constantinople among the patriarchs of the church, Rome was still the leader of the 5 patriarch. Rome always had the primacy over the church.
Unless it is you who is ignorant of church history and primacy in the early church.

lol.

Sometimes Orthodox church also reject Catholic baptism even if the form, the intention and the matter is adhered to. It depends on the particular orthodox Bishop of the place and his theological bent. Some moderate bishops will accept such baptism.
Others actually will reject baptism done by pouring and sprinkling as uncanonical if there is no emergency.
Other group considers all sacrament received outside the orthodox church as invalid and will only ractify such sacraments in particular cases
Take a look at these
In this diocese baptism by pouring is absolutely forbidden and won't be recognized except for emergency
http://www.saintmarysoca.org/baptism-in-the-orthodox-church.html

This is another one condemning all baptism outside the orthodox church including those some patriarchs has recognized
http://orthochristian.com/80888.html
The Triple Immersion in Water. According to the meaning of the ancient practice, absolutely there is required immersion in water and not sprinkling (or even pouring). Immersion in water signifies dying to sin and coming up out of the water signifies a resurrection for a new life in Christ, something that the Baptismal Epistle reading speaks of clearly. The obligatory formula in so doing is the recitation of the Name of the Holy Trinity:
In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, just as was commanded the Apostles by the Lord Jesus Christ.
http://www.pravmir.com/holy-baptism/

In some other place, it is not about sprinkling but your entire faith that must be scrutinized before your baptism is recognized
https://www.holy-trinity.org/liturgics/rodzianko-acceptance.html





As for the case of Apostolic succession you are forgetting 2things,
1. The Anglicans rejected a Sacrificing priesthood, in effect they held with Calvin and Co that the Mass is NOT a sacrifice and so the priests offer and can't offer a sacrifice. no sacrificing priesthood.
2. King Edward changed the Anglican rite to reflect that theological understanding.

So there were bishops who did not believe in a sacrificing priesthood and used a rite that totally made no mention of such and they didn't intend to ordain such.

A non sacrificing priesthood is not a priesthood and cannot lay claim to Apostolic succession. That is why till today Catholics do not recognize Anglican priesthood. Because you guys lost Apostolic succession during the time of king Edward when you too on a defective rite and used a defective intent thereby producing no priests.

It's like people who don't believe that baptism was made by Jesus or is for the remission of sin and then changed the words to I baptise you in the name of the supergeti monster. That is defective form and intent. It means no baptism. That is what happened at the time of Edward and his rite, all who were ordained with it were defective and an entire generation of Anglican clergy was affected, hence no valid succession.

I no just get power to type but the bolded got me laughing, like seriously! Apostolic succession started with the laying on of hands on Mathias by the apostles and not determined by whether the mass is bloodless or blood full. Moreover, there was nothing of that nature in belief about a bloodless or whatever at the time of the apostles, they are simply Theological opinions adopted by the Roman church.

Which of the church fathers are you referring to? Which of the council's was convened to determine or make the patriarch of Rome head of all Catholic bodies? If what you say is true, what brought about the schism? Rites are not divine laws, they are man made. Apostolic succession is not dependent on Roman Catholic theology, it's biblical.

Ubenedictus:
Coptic Catholics and Roman Catholic and melkite Catholic and Assyrian Catholic etc, are all part of the same Catholic Church, we observe the same laws on marriage and we have full communion with Pope Francis. There are 23 Catholic self governing church that make us the Catholic Church which Pope Francis is leading and we all share the same view of sacrament like marriage.

Eastern Orthodox do not have full communion but they also follow the same rules as Catholics on marriage, an eastern orthodox christian will not marry in an Anglican church because marriage is a sacrament for them even though they accept divorce like Anglicans. In fact some Eastern Orthodox may not even recognize the Baptism of an Anglican. They can be extreme like that.

This only highlights my earlier statement, you don't know what you are talking about. Saying every Catholic body is under the patriarch of Rome is nonsense, your knowledge of the church is incorrect and does not reflect the existing reality. The Catholic church did not begin in Rome so clear that idea of a Roman leadership of the Catholic church from your head because Rome is but one of five major patriarchate in the Catholic church with the Pope being only the patriarch of Rome.

What do you even know about Catholicism? Do you know why Catholic bodies, call themselves Catholic? Your last point about Eastern orthodox rejecting Anglican baptism is the height of hubris. There are three conditions for ones baptism to be accepted and the Anglican church still uses the same formula for baptism like any other Catholic body, so why would their baptism be rejected? Mind you, the same priests and bishops validly ordained before king Henry broke ties with Rome are the same people who validly ordained others and passed on that valid line of ordination till this day that we have in the Anglican church with the same sacraments and that's why I earlier said the Anglican church is still Catholic in nature.

aloeman15:
lol
na by force to win argument?
all of them r different from the Anglican church.
does that help?


as I said b4-
broken heart beta pass broken home.
abeg leave d girl; part as friends.
end of.

I hear you but your knowledge on that matter is limited

AndroBlaze:
I just wonder the kind of people we have in this country. If you actually voted in the last election, this thing will not be difficult to understand.
All the card reader did was to validate your card and that you were in the right PU.

I did not vote on the card reader, I voted with a verifiable paper and put it in their plastic transparent box.
How then can the card reader know how I voted unless someone manually sends the information back which will automatically make it unreliable as anyone could then send whatever figure they liked back as their is no trail.

This thing is not complicated Nigerians, why are we acting like this when we have so many serious things to worry about.

Well done Mr Taiwo, but I know your explanation will not stop them from spreading their lies.

I'm not fan of any political party but truth be told, most of you are morons dishing out stupid arguments. INEC should provide the data for verified voters to correlate with casted votes, first of all to debunk the over voting allegations and then provide a credible tally to the announced figures. If the function of the card reader is simply for verification, there should be electronic proof of it

Ubenedictus:
this is not true, the Catholic Church does not recognize the sacraments of the Anglican church except baptism.

We use the same creed but the Anglicans interprets certain parts differently.

Which of the Catholic churches? Roman Catholic, Easter orthodox, Anglo Catholics, Coptic Catholics etc are you referring to?

aloeman15:
broken heart is better than broken home.
abi na una first love for dis life?
how much prayer and fasting have you both done?
I suggest you both go to each of your pastors before reaching a final decision.
in d end, pray for God's will.
God bless.


yes, religion has caused a lot of havoc because of fallible human beings.
if ur versed in d new testament, u recall all d battles d apostles had with Christians who were spreading false teachings.
division don dey from day one, hence Christ's prayer for the church.


lol.
ur funi.
d head of d Anglican church is d ruler (king or queen) of England.
Google is ur friend.

I pardon your lack of understanding. It's obvious you know nothing about what I'm saying

God knows I have a very low tolerance for nonsense, I for don put both of them for street Tay Tay

Kelvinsaint:
Good morning everyone on this platform.

Please I want to know why most catholic families and parents don't allow their children marry anyone outside catholic church.

I'm a young guy in my late 20s,a graduate of accounting. I'm a public servant and I work in a federal government organization and earn well via my salary.

I meet this young pretty lady during my nysc dayz and since then we have been in love with each other.

Ever since my ex girlfriend whom I love so much left me and got married to someone else probably because I was not financially buoyant enough to take care of her and she couldn't wait for me to acquire more wealth before we settle down. I decided to take my time to look for someone else I can end up with in terms of marriage.

Yesterday been Sunday I was discussing with this pretty diva (my new girlfriend) I told her my intentions that I'm getting ready for our marriage maybe by on or before Xmas this year.

To my utmost surprise she told me that we should have our wedding in catholic church.. but I was born and brought up in Angelica church. She told me she can't marry me if I will not Wed her in catholic church. We start having a very big misunderstanding about that.i ask her the reason why it must be catholic church, she said her parents died when she was 5years old and her mothers family(grand parents) took her and her other siblings, and saw them through school. My girlfriend just started her PhD program recently cause she is through with her masters and she is just 24years old. She told me that her uncle that took care of her education till this stage whom is a catholic church Rev father warned her that if she gets married or plan getting married to anyone outside catholic. That he will cut all ties with her and she don't want to go against them.

I told her what if I agree to do the wedding in catholic church and after the wedding we go back to Anglican church. She said it not going to happen, that if she can't continue with going to catholic church, maybe we shouldn't marry at all.

She just told me on phone that it's better we end our relationship and move if I can't allow her to wed and be a catholic forever...

I asked what if my own parents object to her own opinion about wedding in catholic church since we are born Anglican, her answer is that my parents should understand that am doing it for love.


But she will never and nothing will ever make her compromise to her decision of marrying outside catholic church.. And that it's better for her to be single than to marry outside catholic.

Please what is it about catholic church.?
Are we not serving the same God?
Why is religion a problem to humanity?



Below is our chat attachment.

Anglican or Roman Catholic, there's no difference, it's the same sacrament and creed. The Anglican church is still Catholic in nature just the name.

naturalwaves:
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Are you God? Foolish imbecilee, talking like an idiot

naturalwaves:
This is a forum. Check the dictionary meaning of a forum. Illiterate! If you cannot be civil, stay in your forest. Is whatsapp a system app?
Keep on basking in ignorance.
Moreover the advice was not for you. It is for the intending new buyer. Carry your Mediatek pangolo away.

Moronn! Mind your fucking business.

naturalwaves:
It is just an advice idiota!
Does whatsap load on SD card? Foooooool

Animal! Who asked for your advice?

naturalwaves:
Any 16 gig phone is not worth buying in 2019. Under a year, you would be needing another phone due to filled up space. Some apps only stay on phone's memory and will refuse to go into SD storage. Better to look for something else with at least 32 gig/64 gig storage.

Sharrap! Na u want use the phone for me, don't impose your wants on others and term it a need. Apart from system apps, which apps can one not install in SD card?

Vizzy4u:
hi could u pls review briefly ur Nokia2.2? How much? Online/offline? And general reviews. I'm thinking of maybe getting it or one itelp33 plus like dat(cos of ba3) Thanks

I bought mine for 30k from a Nokia sales rep cos I couldn't find it on jumia, 2gb ram, 16gb rom. Face unlock feature, great battery optimization, no lagging. You can check it up on YouTube. It's worth the money

Get a Nokia 2.2 it's just 30k

Just bought a Nokia 2.2 and can tell you that my 3k mah battery lasts longer than most 4k mah chinko garbage

No one knows what God's original plan was. A man is not a master to a woman, you cannot be a master unto yourself, and that's why St. Paul said a man leaves his father and mother and becomes one with his wife and that's why out of all God's creation, only a woman is made, not created from the rib of the male and not separately as another creation.

Add 5k and buy Nokia 2.2

theButterfly:
She chastised the poor victim but said nothing about the barbarians who physically assaulted her?

Same way you don't go out to advise a mad man terrorizing people

kelish:
job wise: am flexible, provided i am taught the basics.
Skill; just the major basic computer knowledge.

If you had applied to teach in a secondary school since 2016, I bet you would be working and earning something no matter how little.

giftjoyz:
No one believe me and save me from my suicidal thought, am serious and real please

Stupid animal, lame format