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FamilyRe: Nairalander Welcomes Baby Boy After 8 Years by AreaFada2: 11:56am On Feb 09, 2017
Congrats!
PoliticsRe: Buhari's Sister, Rakiya Adamu: "I Speak With My Brother Every Day" by AreaFada2: 4:13am On Feb 09, 2017
tonex360:
do u really believe this story huh so if u really do. what happened to 26 others, do u really think 26 children could just wipe like that? even when they had head of state and also aspiring to become a president, how could Nigerians fall cheaply for this story, o Come'on. just tell us how the president is and stop bringing this thing for us to read.
Lol. I do not know o.

Buhari's first daughter Zulai died some years back at the age of 40. From complications from sickle cell anaemia days after giving birth. That happened in this age with better medical care. Let alone back then. Remember Buhari was even last born. So other of her siblings would be from 75 years to over 100 if still alive now. But life expectancy in Nigeria is below 55 years currently. So possible to have lost all the others already.
I do not know what Bubu has but I'm just looking at it from a biological/clinical perspective.

But if Zulai was Bubu's biological child, then one can safely conclude that he/Bubu would have sickle cell trait (SCT) as a carrier. Which by the way also affects 10% of African-Americans for example and usually causes no sickle cell disease.
FoodRe: How To Whip Up Some Garden Egg Sauce by AreaFada2: 3:51am On Feb 09, 2017
Nice
PoliticsRe: Buhari's Sister, Rakiya Adamu: "I Speak With My Brother Every Day" by AreaFada2: 3:31am On Feb 09, 2017
ybalogs:
28 from the same mother?Grandma you can lie ooo
Actually it is theoretically possible.

Remember they used no contraception and marriage was very early. Latest by age 14.

With only breastfeeding as mild short term natural contraception, a woman can get pregnant every 15 months.

Considering the high rate of infant mortality back then, around half of those 28 kids might not have survived the first few months. Meaning getting pregnant very soon again. As no baby to suckle and slightly naturally delay pregnancy.

Assuming she remained fertile till age of 55, that means she had 40 years to birth 28 kids. Some even remain fertile till age 58.
Also factor in possible twins.

If exaggerated maybe only slightly. 21 to 25 kids easily possible
PropertiesRe: Bitter Experience Of A Landlord Whose Tenants Refused To Pay 3 Yrs Rent Or Quit by AreaFada2: 10:45pm On Feb 08, 2017
Omoluabi16:
Your friend's mother made a mistake and has not done enough. I assume she's not based in ogun state but she can still exercise her control. 3yrs??! and no pay, she dey run charity? some tenants are evil. I bet u they have money. get a competent lawyer and caretaker. involve the police. she may need to spend, but in the long run she'll get her house back. I get the feeling she is lenient.If you are not ruthless, some tenants won't let you reap from your investment.

If she lets her house again, there should be a caveat signed by both parties to avoid stories. Like the person above said, written agreement will solve this.You default, you F off. some go leave huge nepa bills behind, damaged things, e.t.c. 3years is too long!
My dear, it's actually easy to have tenants stay long without paying.

In the beginning they beg for time, with name of father in heaven and all. Debtors have various tricks and excuses. If you're a kind and merciful, some tenants abuse it mercilessly.
Before you finally realize they have no intention of paying, time is gone. Then you do not want to kick them out and lose all that debt they keep promising to pay.

That is why some landlords become very heartless.
One former tenant owes me 9 months rent till now. Despite signing undertaken with a lawyer to pay up, a year on, no farthing paid.

@OP, your bestie's mom should be ready to lose all that money. They have breached terms and conditions of tenancy and therefore she should get an eviction order from court since quit notice has long expired.
PoliticsRe: ICPC Seizes 62 Houses From One Female Officer by AreaFada2: 7:25pm On Feb 08, 2017
DeRay98:
The case is in court hence details cant be revealed in the media.
Court cases are even a matter of public record and interest. Names of The State v. Mr or Mrs XYZ should even be online and pasted outside court with date and location of hearing within the court.

As a teenager I used to go to the Federal High Court just to follow proceedings in court audience. Any seemingly interesting cases.
CrimeRe: Soldiers Brutalise Crippled Man In Onitsha For Wearing Military Outfit (Pics) by AreaFada2: 2:43pm On Feb 08, 2017
In civilised climes, soldiers are happy to see civilians wear fatigue. It is a mark of solidarity with the military.

But 9ja na jungle.
PoliticsRe: ICPC Seizes 62 Houses From One Female Officer by AreaFada2: 12:56pm On Feb 08, 2017
And the female officer has no name. Which kind nonsense is this?

Yet we all keep shouting give woman a chance.
RomanceRe: The 5 Stages Of Relationship (most People Crash In Stage 3) by AreaFada2: 12:31pm On Feb 08, 2017
If you have not reached stage 4 you have not even started. Stage 3 is not even necessarily notice for those genuinely in love.
EducationRe: Kogi State University Lecturer Batters His Student Lover - Twitter User (Photos) by AreaFada2:
It seems girls & abusive men are 5 & 6.

Abeg wey that Zuma or Dim's pic?

Run away from abusive men at the slightest hint, they won't hear. shocked
Christianity EtcRe: Those Around Buhari Only Interested In Their Pockets –fr. Mbaka by AreaFada2: 12:03pm On Feb 08, 2017
fallout87:
Now he is making excuses.

Didn't GEJ have good intentions? Did that so you from attacking him and calling him bad luck?

The people around Buhari are stealing more than all who were around GEJ.

Well done Buhari. Well done
Nor mind these clowns. Instead of admitting they were foolish to push Buhari forward, they are giving excuses.

How can you unearth a fossil to rule a difficult, diverse, young & energetic country like Nigeria?

They should hang their heads in shame.

They sent good luck away, now they have the other end they deserve. QED. grin cheesy
RomanceRe: Lady Had Sex With A Guy Who Works In A Mortuary & This Happened - Twitter User by AreaFada2: 11:45am On Feb 08, 2017
Lol.
CultureRe: Lagos Govt Unveils Statue Of First Crown King Of Lagos, King Ado (photos) by AreaFada2:
KingOvoramwen1:
[b]EVERYTHING U WROTE UP THERE BELONGS TO THE DUSTBIN!!
YORUBA STOLE AND COPIED TRADITIONS FROM BENIN EMPIRE...... UR USELESS HELL HOLE U CALL ILE - IFE WAS AND SUPRISINGLY STILL IS A VILLAGE!

OYO WAS NOT EVEN A KINGDOM TALKLESS OF AN EMPIRE BUT BENIN WAS EVEN GREATER THAN AN EMPIRE THAT A BIGHT WAS NAMED AFTER THIS WONDER OF AN EMPIRE ( BIGHT OF BENIN)

OYO RAG TAG BANDITS THAT MEDIOCRE YORUBA WRITERS CALL AN EMPIRE cheesy WERE JUST MERELY A BAND OF SELF CENTERED SNAKE FACED TRIBAL CLAWED FACED CAVE MEN WHO SOLD THIER PPL TO SLAVELY AND USED THE PROCEEDS TO ENSLAVE MORE OF THIER PPL.

YORUBA IS A MINORITY TRIBE IF U SEPERATE ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT CAME IN TO FORM THIS EWEDU UNION WE FIND TODAY!

HISTORIANS KNOW AND HAVE WRITTEN AND EVEN OBA EWAURE WAS GENERIOUS ENOUGH TO TELL IT TO UR ooni AND THE MASS MEDIA AT HIS CORONATION THAT THE ODUDUWA U PPL PLACE UR EXISTENCE ON WAS A BANISHED EDO PRINCE...... IF NOT FOR THE EWEDU BLOCKING UR EYES U WULD HAVE ADDED THE DOTS AND SEEN THAT BENINS VERSION OF EVENTS MAKES MORE SENSE THAN A MAN FALLING LIKE FEACES FROM THE ARSE OF ZEUS FROM THE SKY grin grin

DO NOT DISGRACE URSELF FURTHER BCUS THO MY KINSMAN areafada2 IS PATIENCE ENUFF TO WAIT TILL AN 1880 BRAIN BOOTS UP I DO NOT HOLD SUCH PATIENCE NOR DO I CARE TO EXPLAIN HISTORY TO YORUBAS angry

I WOULD HANDLE U ON THIS THREAD ANYHOW!![/b]
Lol, some of my people in SW are very pained that despite all dubious academic attempt to rewrite history that Yoruba were always this big homogeneous group that was all powerful and dominating others fails every time they try to disparage Benin. They also forget that in appreciating others, you make yourself a bigger man.

They forget truth will always catch up with lies. Every time no matter the craftiness of the liar and the delay.

I am very patient because I suppose that nobody is incapable of overcoming their ignorance if only they want.

He claims to be a historian but I have to wonder the history he's talking about.

Some of these people come here with the condescending attitude of "we are the more educated and large in number, who are these inconsequential minorities to tell us anything about history?". But when we get into the nitty-gritty, they quickly fall off their horse, throw caution to the winds and begin cursing & swearing in frustration like agbero. The mask of dubious education & scholarship falls off easily. And then they disappear. grin cheesy grin
I have seen many come & go over the years.

This attitude is predicated on the tribal tripod system of Nigeria. Where SW like to see themselves as deal breaker & maker. But sadly such deals have always led to their brightest and best being hounded, emasculated & frustrated by the North that they think they can slyly hoodwink. Awolowo & Abiola come to mind. Tinubu probably heading same way.

That is where their attitude comes from and has been for a while now.

On January 7, 1952 at the opening of the Western House of Assembly the Alake of Abeokuta said this:

On my right sits the Oni of Ife;
On my left, the Leader of our Government,
Obafemi Awolowo.
The Voice of the West is complete.


This careless utterance & neglect of Benin & Delta province by the Alake highlighted their tribalistic disposition. Oba Akenzua II and other Benin & Delta province members of the house walked out. And momentum to create MIDWEST region gathered from there. Midwest was the only democratically created region in Nigeria through a popular referendum vote.

Another Alake went ahead just over a year ago to claim Benin was part of Yorubaland and tried ranking Oba of Benin among their Obas. Even having the audacity to put himself just under/lower than Oba of Benin and above Awujale of Ijebu. cheesy grin grin

He was roundly lambasted and put in his place.

We are very used to dealing with their attitude squarely.
PropertiesRe: HOT And Sizzling In Abuja OFFER. by AreaFada2: 11:10am On Feb 08, 2017
propertyarena:
it has global certificate of occupancy
Any pics of the said estate/plot?
CultureRe: Lagos Govt Unveils Statue Of First Crown King Of Lagos, King Ado (photos) by AreaFada2: 1:57am On Feb 08, 2017
scholes0:
Okay , Clap for yourself.
You should be indeed proud for going to war in the past and pillaging neighboring groups.
Edos want their names to be heard everywhere... for people to say Benin this, Benin that, But once any mention is made to influences in Benin that comes from the other direction, they go all berserk.
Well, you have to soak it up.

The world as we know it was shaped by wars. From ancient Egypt, to Babaylon, to Alexander the Great, to Julius Caesar to Genghis Khan, to British Empire, Napoleon sweeping across Europe creating Kingdoms & duchies and dukes and Kings, to Duke of Wellington winning at Waterloo to USA defeating Hitler and winning cold war with Russia to become the super power of today. Wars & wars only.

Even Nigeria was created after the British threatened, bombarded, burned down places, and deported kings in Nigeria. King Jaja of Opobo & Oba Ovonrawmen for example. Eleko Akintoye who gave in to threat was spared & Lagos annexed, etc.

Even Biafra remains part of Nigeria today because they lost the civil war. That is reality. Ancient Benin Empire was no different.

Well, Benin City was a major hub of trade, politics & power in the South Eastern part of West Africa and naturally people brought their talents from near & far to Benin. The way people go to Lagos today. So of course their talents could have left influences behind. Be it gifted craftsmen from Ife, Igbo land, Owo & elsewhere. In particular Izon people were the mainstay of seafaring for trade and royal army.
Neither can one forget the many deities Edo share with Yoruba people, even with Igbo (albeit very different names in Igbo). At least one notable Benin war general was an Igbo man nicknamed Ogogobiaga.

Yes Benin was an empire and every empire absorbed local customs elsewhere. No doubt about that. Romans adopted both Egyptian & Greek gods/goddesses, be it Isis, Diana, Zeus, etc Benin was outwardly looking enough to copy & refine something good they would have seen in their journeys.
What irks the Benins (not Binis as wrongly wrttien widely even by some Benin people despite Oba correcting it often) is wild unfounded claims of others about their influences on Benin. Benin lives & breathes history/culture so people have to be very particular about their claims.
CultureRe: Lagos Govt Unveils Statue Of First Crown King Of Lagos, King Ado (photos) by AreaFada2: 1:28am On Feb 08, 2017
KingOvoramwen1:
Dien of Asaba in full Proud Edo Regaila!!
Dein/Obi of Agbor you mean.
CultureRe: Lagos Govt Unveils Statue Of First Crown King Of Lagos, King Ado (photos) by AreaFada2:
KingOvoramwen1:
WHAT DIDYU EXPECT FROM A PAINED TENANT grin angry grin grin grin cheesy

WE MADE ALL THE KINGS IN YORUBALAND THROUGH ODUDUWA A BONAFIDE EDO PRINCE!!



THIS IS A OBI THAT WAS JUST CROWNED AT ASABA ....... HE SPENT A MONTH AT THE PALACE WITH OBA TO RECIEVE ROYAL BLESSING!!
Thank you. I did not have this picture saved, though it was circulated in the media at the time and mentined it earlier today in another post.
I guess they do not know how many succession disputes outside current Benin area that Oba's palace has settled since 1914 when Benin monarchy was restored.

Just to remind you. Britain refused to build schools within core Benin area post 1897. Instead they wanted to send young Benin men to Calabar for education. Benin people refused fearing it could become a systematic depletion of Benin of young men. After all Ovonramwen who was taken there never came back. This is often used by detractors to claim tht Benin refused to leave home for education.

Benin people wanted schools badly but British colonial officers refused. Claiming no funds. Even though Benin was one of the most prosperous provinces due to booming rubber trade. Rubber was needed to produce tyres for the nascent automobile industry of Europe then. And other rubber products. Petroleum had not been discovered in most places to produce plastic products, etc. 1897 war was in fact partly rubber war. Britain wanted Benin rubber under their control.

Oghada community volunteered to build and self-fund a school for 100 of their local boys yet British people refused. Reason was this memo content British colonial officers sent to London: that educating Benin people would create an educated class that would oppose British rule in Benin. That Benin people are furious because of deportation of Ovonramwen. That such education would repeat the mistake made in Sierra Leone by building Fourah Bay College & also educating people in Lagos. That those educated in those schools now form the bulk of anti-British activists.

This late education of Benin people gave Yorubas the advantage of shaping history as they liked. By the time Benin people came to see the distorted history, Yoruba now claim that Benin version is new and made up.They now believe that writing it down first automatically means authenticity.
But often, events occur somewhere that bring the reach of Benin Empire into light.

Also note that in 1914 when Eweka II was crowned, loyal Ado-Akure in Akure embarked on a journey with gifts to pay homage to the new Oba in Benin. But they were turned back by British colonial officers. And warned never to return. So died a practice of centuries of homage from Akure. A fact many Yoruba people would vehemently deny today. So thousands of Benin-origin people vanished into Eastern Yoruba, taking Yourba names to avoid discrimination. Okunbor for example quickly became Tokunbor, just to blend in.
CultureRe: Lagos Govt Unveils Statue Of First Crown King Of Lagos, King Ado (photos) by AreaFada2:
O0ni:
One would expect a learned person or at least a half-ass Historian to know there is what we call 'Culture History' and Historians in that area pick the geographical area of interest they want to focus on - I suppose Olupona, Eluyemi, Obayemi, Fasogbon and Fabunmi are a big disgrace to scholarship and are tribal scholars for focusing on Ife, some of them throughout their lives? The more you post, the more you expose yourself to be a not-very-bright person.



Thank you. Now, does coming for insignia of office equate overlordship? Alaafin of Oyo goes to Owa Eredunmi (a chief under Ooni) for Oranmiyan's sword without which the Alaafin elect's coronation and crowning is incomplete?



Uncle, the bulk of Kwara and Ilorin was of no interest and no part of Oyo empire. In fact, Ilorin was an outpost town occupied by Yoruba but it was of little interest that Oyo did not post someone to man the town.

You see why I said you, with every post, showcase how bright you are not? 'Oyo regrouped and fought back'. Sir, Oyo did not regroup, Ibadan fought of the jihadists alone and repelled them for life - you should read. Ibadan was very powerful that it began to demand and collect periodic tributes from the Alaafin at some point. Ibadan was so powerful that it imposed an Ooni (the first Ojaja) on Ife. The power of Ibadan was what we fought many parts of Yoruba land fought off in the internecine wars of many years.



I will research more on Edoid groups to see if there are some who are not relatives of Bini monarchy as you have claimed.



OK.



Lol
You call it disparaging, I call t setting the record straight. Are you aware that researchers, foreign scholars who know their onions regard Bini as a kingdom (which it has always been) but bourgeoisie scholars of Bini descent bandy 'Bini Empire' around grin



....
So you mean someone needing to collect insignia of office from another King is not acknowledging his own inferiority and suzerainty (overlordship) of the King giving them to him? Wow! shocked shocked

So you are not aware of Benin attacking Akure because the Deji dared to make insignia of Office by himself? Merely 200 years plus ago? This is even in Esan chronicles.

Those Youruba-centric books you have been reading totally reduced you to a half-baked historian, devoid of any scholarship or objectivity. cheesy grin

So you also do not know that a country can be both a kingdom & an empire at the same time? I guess you have no idea that Victoria was both Queen of England and Empress of India at the same time. Wow!

While Ibadans fought bravely, Oyo remained a force to be reckoned with and regrouped to defend themselves. The temprary rise of Ibadan did not change that.

Certainly the treaty signed between Aare Ona Kakanfo of Oyo & Iyase Ekpende of Benin at Otun (Northern Ekiti) marking the border of Oyo & Benin Empires remained intact. Another ignorant Ekiti guy came up to deny this here on Nairaland some months back only to later be soliciting for information about his area. grin cheesy

The only thing you and your ilks are bright at is vulgarity. Quoting co-tribalists as experts only exposes your myopic bigoted views. Such so called experts are neither bright nor objective. Pretty much like the Northern "professors" of geology who said oil flowed underground from the North to Niger Delta. grin cheesy

Nigeria's failed education system creates mediocre scholars like you. grin cheesy

I'm not perturbed or provoked by your vulgar and pedestrian submissions because people are very good at being two-faced and vulgar behind an anonymous forum but become a shrinking willow in real life. I have seen many over the years here. grin cheesy

Your place of origin can never achieve the fame or historical pedigree of Benin Empire. Yes, Benin Empire. I know it's painful but you have to endure the pain. Or your nightmares wil just continue. cool
PropertiesRe: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN CHECK OUT THIS PROPERTIES AND GET INSTANT REWARD by AreaFada2:
ShoProperties:
call or message me on 08124579981
Such should be on record here on Nairaland for transparency sake.
PropertiesRe: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN CHECK OUT THIS PROPERTIES AND GET INSTANT REWARD by AreaFada2: 7:55pm On Feb 07, 2017
ShoProperties:
Well You are right , but the fee is not what u think as all u need to pay for is
Deed/ Legal fee N50k
Survey/allocation N150k
and as for raft this is a dry land it good when you can get a better dry land & spend less on the foundation so u wont be spending much on your foundation here
Thanks. But please update on Estate DEVELOPMENT LEVY. Very important.
PropertiesRe: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN CHECK OUT THIS PROPERTIES AND GET INSTANT REWARD by AreaFada2: 6:54pm On Feb 07, 2017
ShoProperties:
The above tells much about how Ibeju-Lekki has fared over the past few years, and expected valuations in the coming years.
Does it need raft foundation?

What is development fee? This can become very expensive. Much more expensive than cost of land.
Estates often quote "development levy" to be determined just to conceal that cost untl after you have committed yopurself.

Please make it transparent here.
PropertiesRe: HOT And Sizzling In Abuja OFFER. by AreaFada2: 6:44pm On Feb 07, 2017
propertyarena:
2m asking (slightly negotiable)
What title document available? Please make it public here.
CultureRe: Lagos Govt Unveils Statue Of First Crown King Of Lagos, King Ado (photos) by AreaFada2:
O0ni:
Uncle, some of us are actual Historians who have read quite extensively and are involved in traditional cultural and religious circle to get information. Bini was struggling in the Eastern flank of Yoruba land. Did Bini conquer any of her felow edoid group in any known battle is the question?
In your heart of hearts, you think Bini would have beated the occupants of Eko at that point? You seriously think Bini that is far away and requires sailing through the seas can best the people who are familiar with the lands and its interiors and can draw support from Ijebu, Egba and Ibadan? Uncle, there were skirmishes but only on the pepper farm, did it spread beyond, not said in any record of the history. This connotes that, Bini itself was wise enough to to stretch its own with encoraching beyond where it got on a platter.

Oyo empire was over run, Ibadan stopped and crushed the Jihadists up to Offa for life - read, please.

The 'un-homogeneity' of Yoruba being bandied around makes no sense. It is common knowledge that Yoruba were one with Ife as a rallying point. The intra-tribal fights did not start until Owu wanted to disrupt the system then the system collapsed when Oyo collapsed - the fight was not for lack of homogeneity but rather, for balance of power. Oyo's yolk was thrown off, everyone inhaled fresh air of independence and wanted to give their lives to prevent any other power rising to take away their freedom - Ibadan in this case.

The theory of lack of homogeneity is a very ignorant one bandied around by mostly Northerners to tear into the Yoruba fabric.

Loool. Anyone who reads this would think Bini was a serious army cheesy. A ragtag group that could not even expand its hegemony by conquering other edoid groups.

Make things up to be outraged about? No fam, we are having a harmless banter that I am open minded to as I want to learn something fresh & new, something to collapse all the theories Yoruba history has been built on over the years. Something beyond the conjectures and counnages from Bini camp.
If you are a historian, you are a big disgrace to scholarship. Yours is still tribal scholarship. grin grin cheesy

Did Benin need to conquer Edoid tribes when most clearly acknowledged their Edo origin & saw the Oba as overlord? When even many top ranking soldiers were from Edoid tribes? The vast majority of Edoid tribe rulers received their isignia of office and confirmation from Oba of Benin. Same applied to some Western Igbo obis. Another Obi came for confirmation by Crown Prince Eheneden (as Papa was indisposed) just over a year ago. It was in media.

Yes, the Ibadans fought bravely but they were doing self-preservation too. Did they repel the Jihadists alone? No. Oyo regrouped and fought back. Despite losing much of Kwara thanks to Afonja.

Not only were Edoid tribes allies most of the time, rulers there were mostly royal descendants and relatives of Benin monarchy.

Let me remind you of Oboro (Obuluku). The Obi of Ubuluku killed Adesua, daughter of Chief Ezomo, the commander of Benin royal army. In a fit of passion after being rejected by her. She was already betrothed to Oba Akengbuda of Benin in about 1755. The Oba sent for Obi's head. And his head was brought to Benin. Like the heads of many rebellious vassal Kings before him. His skull would have been among those the British found during their raid in 1897.

That is Ubuluku, deep in Delta Igbo land, much less Edoid areas.
By the way Olu Jacobs ably played the role of Ezomo in the movie "Adesuwa". Watch it.

You can disparage Benin history as you like but better educated researchers worldwide know better. And keep featuring Benin as one of the best organised African empires that ever existed. In BBC documentaries and others, Your envy is irrelevant.

See here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW_kaUuUg8Y
CultureRe: Lagos Govt Unveils Statue Of First Crown King Of Lagos, King Ado (photos) by AreaFada2: 2:52pm On Feb 07, 2017
Statsocial:
Lol there is no need to fight about this issue. It is clear to everyone that Bini and The Yorubas had a very intricate history. For instanne I heard that Ile-Ife is a bini word and that bini was coined from a Yoruba word. We need to celebrate that closeness and not let it cause division. I love the Edo ppl yet am Yoruba.
My brother, the thing surprises me. I am of dual Yoruba/Edo culture. And thousands of us are in Edo like that.

Now, from growing up, I met people who were over 100 years old. People born around 1875/1880.

The consistent version I heard was that Ile-Ife actually means "I have escaped into safety". Which it means if pronounced in Benin language. Of course I cannot say for sure if that was the origin of it.

I have volunteered in the past to pay for 10 people from Benin & Ife Royal families to take a genetic test in the best world class lab available.

To see the genetic link and which ancestry is which. And challenge others who come here to argue to also put their money where their mouth is.
CultureRe: Lagos Govt Unveils Statue Of First Crown King Of Lagos, King Ado (photos) by AreaFada2:
O0ni:
1. You are fraudulent. You made it seem like every part of Lagos was not well populated before Bini's advent. In fact, your Bini history states that your Bini travellers were harrassed by Yoruba while passing through the Eko camp and Ashipa had to be sent to verify the claim but he was met with cordial and affable treatment. I am sure you're aware the pepper farm Ashipa landed on and started his rulership was peopled by Aromire's folks who was the first to get to that place?

Side note - Speaking of Bini's military, I find a lot of exaggeration when reading through it. Are there any records of Bini conquering neighbouring Edoid groups? Keep in mind Bini could not even conquer Owo or Ekiti groups that were within her reach but that is a debate for another day.

2. The relevance Iga Iduganran had was due to the esoteric knowledge of Ilesa man who is the patriach of all Oba of Lagos till today since Ologun Kutere, the Ilesa man who was a Babalawo advised the then Oba of Lagos to mount a white flag which got the attention of the sailing Europeans. At this point, the Europeans dealt with Oba of pepper farm as though he was the king of pepper farm not the entire mass of Eko. Notwithstanding, this set the tone for the political relevance Iga iduganran and Oba of Lagos enjoy since the colonial times till today.

Sidenote - I did a list of places owned by whom, I never listed Oshodi as part of Yoruba owner territoy. I clearly stated it is owned by Oshodi Tapa.
I am a product of that conquest in Eastern Yorubaland. I still have a first class Oba in Eastern Yorubaland as a relative. You're simply Yoruba who's only interested in Yoruba supremacy. I'm more and therefore desire the truth. I have written extensively on it over the years here on Nairaland. With Yoruba people coming here sporadically, arguing without proof, spitting bile and disappearing again. But I have been consistent.

There are even European records of Benin wars in Eastern Yorubaland. With details of Benin war tactics. One European account even chided Ashanti warriors as slackers in comparison to Benin warriors. It was not new for them to observe Africans at war. They even supplied guns Benin used in wars. You would not know because you are not scholarly or objective enough to go read.

I know it is hard for you to accept that a tribe that is today small in comparison could have done so much. Rome was a small city but conquered Italy and later most of the known world. If not for the benefit of written language at the time, all could have been denied.

But in museums in London, Paris, Berlin, Amsterdam and other places they have ceremonial plaques depicting Obas of Benin & war chiefs returning from conquest ceremoniously. All clearly written beneath those plaques, similar to how European witnesses described the scenes centuries ago. I have physically seen them all.

Benin was not primarily fighting wars for the sake of it. If a strategic kingdom or chiefdom accepted to be a vassal to the Oba of Benin, a peaceful treaty was reached. No need for war.

Now to Lagos. What was the population of the Aworis, Egbas & Ijebus around Lagos at that time? How organised were they to seriously threaten Benin military might as described by the Europeans at the time?

Whatever it was, aside initial skirmishes, they soon accepted the royal party from Benin. Would anyone not initially resist strangers taking up strategic locations next to you? I wonder what your point is. I am well familiar with early history of Asipa & Ado in Lagos.

How united were Yoruba "tribes" then to come to the aid of the scanty settlements around Lagos in 1550s? Yorubas were not a homogeneous group then as portrayed now. In fact incessant intra-Yoruba wars were normal. The later unity against the Jihadist was a self-preservation fight. All down to Owo knew that once Oyo Empire was Over-run, no stopping Jahadists.

Benin on the other hand fought years of War in Edo North to stop Jihadists from Idah axis.

You are trying to make up things to be outraged about. Continue with that.
PoliticsRe: Nigerians Slam Femi Adesina Over Statement On President Buhari's Health by AreaFada2: 1:58pm On Feb 07, 2017
Femi's job is very tough. Working under an incompetent govt just makes him look stupid.

It makes him do a poor job.

I guess he wasn't like that as a journalist.
RomanceRe: African Guy And His Oyinbo Client Showing Love To Each Other(video) by AreaFada2: 1:49pm On Feb 07, 2017
Na wao.
CultureRe: Lagos Govt Unveils Statue Of First Crown King Of Lagos, King Ado (photos) by AreaFada2: 1:34pm On Feb 07, 2017
math2001:
That is nonsense history.
To condemn is easy.

You give us the "no nonsense history" version. Not cut and paste.

And please tell us how you came about it. Oral or written.
Thank you.
CultureRe: Lagos Govt Unveils Statue Of First Crown King Of Lagos, King Ado (photos) by AreaFada2:
O0ni:
Do you care to drum it into the ears of your Bini folks that Eko is no more than the tiny space of Lagos Island and this is where Bini hegemony is limited to and not beyond it?

Apart from the pepper farm occupied by Bini which is a fraction of Lagos, most of the entire mass of Lagos state is owned by Ogunfunminire's descendant.

Here:

Lagos Island only - Bini

Badagry - Egun folks.

Oshodi - Oshodi Tapa

Ikoyi - by Onikoyi from Ikoyi in present day Osun state.

The rest of Lagos, Ikorodu, Ikeja, Oniru, Elegushi, Ojora, Lekki, Otto and keep the list going are owned & ruled by aworis. Guess what? They are Yoruba, descendant of Olofin Ogunfunminire from Ife.

Now imagine the Idejo chiefs withdrawing from Oba of Lagos and giving their obeisance to the Olotto as it was originally (but messed up by politics giving Oba of Lagos relevance) and leaving Oba of Lagos, the Bini representative high and dry and confined to his Lagos island. Think about that for a second.

When telling Bini history of Lagos, learn to and enlighten your folks to keep it within the geographical space of Lagos island.
I guess no Benin person aware of history claims that all Lagos & suburbs were created or first inhabited by Benin people.

Benin didn't have the population to spread over large seeming irrelevant (at that time) geographical spaces. They had to be clinical & strategic.
To takeover trade routes or create new/alternative ones. Using expensive mercenaries to swell up the military ranks was tough enough, but had to be extremely good in managing war resource (mercenaries) not fuelled by patriotism.

But you will agree that Iga Iduganran became the hub of political power in Lagos with military backing from Benin if any subjects dared to become belligerent.
It was also part of Benin colonial strategy not to unnecessarily cause upheaval in existing local traditions or expropriate natives of their property/land.
About Oshodi Tapa. You did not mention his origin. The little I remember, he was not a Yoruba native. He was a slave from Nupe/Bida area who was rescued under Eleko Osinlokun.

I remember because Oshodi Tapa was on the side of Eleko Kosoko (a Benin loyalist) during the fight with Akintoye. His war exploit at Ogun Olomiro is well known. An excellent diplomat too.

Though fiercely loyal to Kosoko, still saved the life of Akintoye by allowing him escape to Abeokuta. I think he/Akintoye moved to Badagry refuge from Abeokuta?
Christianity EtcRe: Rev Father Flogging His Church Members With His Holy Cane(video) by AreaFada2: 12:53pm On Feb 07, 2017
how nice.

Flog & shake hands. grin cheesy
TravelRe: Husband & Wife Die In Accident In Delta, After Being Burnt (Pics) by AreaFada2: 12:51pm On Feb 07, 2017
Very sad.

RIP fine couple. Together forever.
FamilyRe: Delta Hunter Lures Housewife Into Sex Romp In A Thick Forest With Bush Meat by AreaFada2: 12:42pm On Feb 07, 2017
thornapple:
You are quite amazing.
So glad meeting you.
Thanks. Likewise.

But far more amazing is to see young people genuinely interested in universal knowledge. Something many find boring these days.

I'm very sure that if some day you happen to travel widely like yours truly has been fortunate to, you will visit museums & other cultural/historical institutions in many world cities.

Surprisingly, understanding other cultures will make you understand yourself and your own culture even better.

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