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Konquest:
Read the article below to get a hang of the real historical FACTS from the Ogiame family indicating that the Oba of Benin's Royal lineages is of direct Yoruba descent:


=>https://guardian.ng/features/ogiso-and-ogiamien-are-aborigine-binis-while-oba-of-benin-is-of-yoruba-descent-high-chief-esotericist-monday-wehere/


Second, the current Ooni of Ife granted an interview to Saturday Punch in 2022 and he CLEARLY stated that there were 2 other ruling dynasties with kings in Ife before the rise of the 3rd dynasty called the Oduduwa dynasty. Oduduwa came from the Oke Oranfe area and was Yoruba. The mythology in Ile-Ife or Yoruba historical events should not be taken as literal history but are symbolic just like you see in different cultures and religions around the world that tell stories in metaphors, so, these metaphors have to be decoded to convey a message.

There were people inhabiting what is now Ife today even before the rise of the Oduduwa dynasty according to the current Ooni of Ife.

So, a matrilineal guy (with a bit of money) from Ogiamien family and with the recognised Chief Ogiamien missing for years now tells a story and that is your plausible version of history? First ask them to present the young man installed as chief Ogiamien to come and tell his family history. There is a full book on Ogiamien in Benin. Go and read it in full, not this online nonsense you see.

My point is that there are too many versions of Oduduwa. The Ooni can say anything just like anybody else but we need a consistent version. I have a stake in it. I have a direct Oduduwa link through a different Yoruba dynasty.

I will follow this thread closely.

Especially the Messiah and dual Oduduwa angle.

Gregyboy
Automaticmotors
samuk
Babasolution

Riskymarvelous:
Hmm...I see dis albino winning next governorship election

Not albino. He has vitiligo. The same skin condition Michael Jackson had.

Karlifate:
...and ladies should continue to see guys as disposable utilities, not as brothers & male cousins

LMAO! 🤣🤣

Men largely control resource base. If men see women as relatives first, sex won't be immediate interest. Maybe genuine friendship and more could follow.

But of course, some women just want money the easy way and nothing anybody can do about it. However, we have created a culture in which a woman surrenders her body (be it as so called dating, hook-up or whatever) to get benefits from a guy.

That is what has shaped the mentality of some ladies here on NL that broke-shame men. As if women have been forbidden to earn own money.

We can all do better than that. There is a need for a better re-orientation of both genders.

BigYash:
Over 95% of nowadays girls will do same.. Most of them came for the money.. When you hear them saying they need a man that can take care of them,they are literally saying they need a man who has money they can waste..

Wasters some persons refer to as wives..

Before nko? We already know that.

That is why guys who make money trade up babes to step up a level or two. Because most girls would do same in your position.

The jungle don mature tey tey.

Very sad story.

She wouldn't have done it if life had dealt her a better hand growing up.

She has basically sacrificed herself for her family and comfort in life.

She will have lots of regrets later in life.

May she find peace and succour.

Guys should see girls first of all as sisters and cousins before anything else.

Great! Do Nigeria proud while at it.

AutomaticMotor
Gregyboy
samuk

Righthussle:
If say the lady na minister wife, you for talk to her like that? Poor people don suffer for una hand.

Madam, I hope say the alert heavy?

9ja dey too do oversabi.

The premier university in the English speaking world still calls law degree BA in Jurisprudence or BA in Law if with another component.

In same England, once a doctor has been certified as a surgeon, he becomes Mr. No more Dr title again. Unless he become a prof, then he can bear prof title.

I doubt if that Enenche guy would know this.

atobs4real:
Looking for party customer

With some stolen cash to spare.

Gaha was never an Alaafin.

He was the Basorun, prime minister and head of Oyomesi (Kingmakers).

As far as I k now, it was in 1774 that Alaafin Abiodun escaped from Oyo Ile to team up with Oyabi (Kakanfo at that time?) and Baale of Ajase, I believe now in Benin Republic to invade Oyo, defeat and eradicate Gaha.

Though tyranny of Gaha ended, Oyo never managed to be as strong as before after the quasi civil war. Its weakness thereafter paved the way for Jihadists to overrun it.

babasolution:
There is lazy system of history which the Yorubas are fund of .

They rely on only a limited source of written histories or tales and they rely totally and absolutely on these limited sources without question.

There are several and numerous researches even by Yoruba researchers on various Yoruba groups and neighbours, some are available online while some are only accessed via libraries.

In history studies all sides must be considered and conclusions are hardly made until authentic proofs are found.

What I have observed about Yoruba people is that they focus on few probably not well researched historic texts and jump to conclusions especially those that elevate the Yoruba status or claim other groups are derived from Yoruba.

This is a very unintelligent way of understanding history and origins what more from a people that claim to be intellectually advanced and sophisticated.

The popular claims of ile-ife origins of various nonyoruba groups have been severally debunked by independent researchers but they refuse to accept it.

Even within Yoruba itself ,various groups have different origin claims,eg the ijebu and parts of ondo and ekiti.

The Benin IFE relationship is dynamic and the claim of the ancestors of the oba of Benin being Yoruba is complex and cannot be as simple as the Oduduwa son ,oromiyan claim.

Some research as even faulted the claim that oromiyan founded Oyo.

There are modern books written that debunks alot of the IFE Oduduwa claims.

The fact is the Yorubas who were one of the earliest western educated groups in Nigeria propagated these ile-ife claims that elevated the Yoruba status among tribes,many other groups who received their early Western education later,in some cases via these Yoruba people unwittingly distorted their own history by picking their sources from the Yoruba documentation,modern research as debunked alot of these fake histories and claims by the Yoruba.

Akoko-edo is not Yoruba

I believe the problem now is that it has become an ethnic, supremacy and political fight. Not about thorough research. We have discussed Benin-Yoruba issue here for over a decade now. It typically degenerates to insults.

I have even offered to take anybody willing to go to Eastern Yorubaland to see thriving Edo origin communities and Obas.

I also hereby add on top to invite in the opposite direction to see Yoruboid communities in Edo.

To speak to both sides about their history.

But people seem more interested in arguing, ranting and swearing than facts finding.

Now, as for Egharevba and his A Short History of Benin, it was a good attempt at putting things together in terms of trying the bridge the lacuna on written Benin History as a whole. Benin history presented hitherto mostly in smaller bits and European records in the written form. However, it is vast in oral form and in sculpture, carving, worship, festivals, ceremonies, rituals, etc. But like any pioneer work, it clearly had limitations due to limited resources and research to rely on at the time.

So, we cannot rely on it as if it was a Bible. Same applies to a lot of books on history.

If we cannot be objective, dispassionate and open-minded in our approach to learning history, we won't get very far.

It is not a competition or fight BUT 9ja seem to fight over everything: politics, resource control, religion, palliatives, ethnic issues, history, everything.

Automaticmotors
Gregyboy
Etinosa
samuk

wizelink:
State police might be a good idea to partly solving the insecurities in most states. A trial is not bad

But Federal police size will need to reduce. NPF will now be tackling Federal or inter-state crimes. Police staff can be seconded to their region or state from NPF. That way, FG can divert saved money from reduction to states directly.

But a lot needs to change: entry qualification, training, orientation, funding, equipment, policing techniques, etc.

States should be allowed to seek tactical trainers from Canada, Australia, Ireland, Singapore, Sweden, NZ, etc. I nor Trust UK, USA or France with these things. They may turn our police to be their spies.

Very nice

Ehengbuda was a warrior king. Nice.

God1000:
He should prove his innocence

By law, the state should prove his guilt.

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

millionboi2:
Even me I opened to see wetin kill m but didn't see any.

Death killed him.
You are expecting too much from a 9ja newspaper of nowadays.

RIP.

annayawchee:
Good news is y'all will be mothers, With sons who will spend more on yansh than y'all. Vicious cycle.

God is not mocked😔

For those that have not pafuka their wombs while collecting awoof. True.

Everything has a price. Nothing goes for nothing.

chariisGRACE:
No, what they need is orientation, teaching them to eat and drink wisely, and ditching that YOLO mindset which I believe prompts one not to save for rainy days like this.

If truly he is dead, may his soul find peace.
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Dude, let's be fair. Many of them were not nearly as well-paid or wealthy as they appeared.
They were self-employed and no pension. Once ill, they could not work anymore. Many had no lucrative endorsements.

This older generation did it for the love of acting. Popular but most were not wealthy.

RIP.

Gajagojo:
Can You tell me exactly how many DNA tests were conducted in Nigeria last year?

No researcher in USA can tell you exactly how many tests were done in USA last year. That figure won't be ready. Much less in 9ja.

How does not having exact figure invalidate results published by researchers in 9ja? I don't do my work in 9ja.

You did not have the figures across the places you were comparing before disputing the results for 9ja?

Judolisco:
u can't use 2 cases to justify 30% don't u grab? Countries like US where they have facilities and people conduct DNA test regularly, should have higher percentage than Nigeria.... I am a researcher and public health is my field, so I know what I'm saying.... U can't use the result from Lekki, to judge the whole of lagos, not to talk of Nigeria.... No be malaria test we dey talk about here oh na DNA test oh

Oh wow, good. Now let's talk.

Who in America does paternity test? Which demographics do it more? What is their reason?
Yes, lots of those working class (in Western sense) and underclass folks on US TV fighting over paternity, Black and Latino folks feature prominently.
Now, why do people do it in 9ja? The fact that despite fewer people able to afford it in 9ja and actually do it, the rate is that high.

Now imagine doing this test in folks living in face-me-I-slap you in Bariga or Ikotun?

I know that unless something is published by Western researchers, we Africans like to doubt it. I would have disputed it just like you if I had not seen it in real life too.

Gajagojo:
The issue here is comparing nations and if or why Nigerian case is different
Does Nigeria have the capacity to do 1 million DNA tests?
Guy if You have nothing sensible to say just be silent and dey your dey

Dude, 9ja has capacity to do way more than 1 million.

Do you know how many tests have already been done for family reunion required by embassies? I know of several failed paternity tests 25 years ago.
I worked on developing some rapid tests decades back. Looking back, I would have sought funding for rapid paternity test development. It didn't seem that important back then. In any case, officially acceptable tests must be done in certified labs.

Chinese researchers flooded the department as doc candidates and post docs (across Western universities) and no wonder they lead today.
Going back to 9ja, the trend has been long obvious that infidelity is high, use of protection is low and paternity fraud is high. It has been relatively high for decades but even more so now. Tests were prohibitively expensive those days.

Sure, in research, high numbers make the outcome more reliable. But remember, in countries where suspicion is low or no official need to do the test, test uptake is low. Yes, this can skew the result.

You will not get ethics clearance to do paternity tests on 200,000 or 1m kids just for research. You have to do retrospectively based on tests already done. This is were existing labs come in and some have published theirs to enlighten the public. Or to codedly advertise themselves.

Judolisco:
you're the one not using common sense... Data is collected yes, I'm saying how many Nigerians have you seen going to the hospital for the sole purpose of conducting a DNA test...it's very rare... I expect the percentage to be higher in developed countries.... It's common sense

A relative wanted to relocate his kids abroad. Paternity test required by embassy showed all 3 kids were not not his.

I know of many other cases up close. A lab in Lekki was offering discount on paternity test 2 years ago and women were outraged.

There has even been a publication of the 3 regions in Nigeria from which most men come for paternity test. It was here on NL.

More men than you think are codedly doing paternity test. Labs have these figures.

Gajagojo:
Scientifically and statistically does not make sense
If this is based on DNA testing
Do all countries do DNA test at the same rate?
What is the basis of comparing two countries if testing rates are not the same

How available is DNA testing to the tens of millions of Nigerians

It is only relatively rich people that can afford to do a DNA TEST

Dude, forget oversabi. There have been publications upon publications. Since you do research, you should know how to search for publications.
This is not new.

I have said for years here on NL that around 35% of firstborns belong to another and at least 25% of all kids belong to another man. Results from studies in 9ja last year said 26.1% of all kids. So current 30% is not surprising.

Are you just seeing this for the first time?

Dey dull yourself and don't to paternity test on your kids.

Joy2dworldxyz:
-Most corrupt county = Nigeria
County with highest japa on the queue = +Nigeria
County with worst leaders = Nigeria
- Country with worst economy= Nigeria
- Country with highest unemployment= Nigeria
- Country with highest small languages = Nigeria is 3rd
- And now, country with highest paternity fraud= Nigeria is second.

No only Nigerian Waka come??

Dude, 9ja took 1st and second. Na the 9ja transatlantic passage people carry am go Jamaica.

beekind:
I am about to get married to a 28 year old lady whom I love so much but has been diagnosed with PCOS.
Menstruation is regular.
Anyone here with experience dealing with this condition and able to achieve successful conception should provide some guidance on how they went about it.

Thank you and God bless.

First, see a good O&G. Be sure of all the symptoms. Be sure of the regularity of her period, hormones including androgen levels, etc. Women can hide some things to secure marriage. Even many so called honest and virtuous women can still hide some stuff. No aspersions on anyone.

If she is already overweight, she should already be active and eating healthily to reduce weight.
The road ahead can be tough and you cannot walk it with a lazy or undisciplined woman.

An uncomfortable question you need to ask is if she has been pregnant before. Most ladies abort many preggies before marriage. No biggie these days.

You may end up having no issues at all with reproduction but also prepare for any eventuality including IVF.

MT:
There is poverty and hardship everywhere in the world, however the international news would not report it.

Do you realise some people cannot afford 3 square meals a day in the western world?

m watching football, they will rather go to the pub, buy one pint of beer and watch. They cant even afford cable TV at home.

But we have another definition for wealth as Nigerians as it relates to our culture. We want to show off to the world, we want to build houses (not mortgage), we want to buy amazing cars, we want to live large without debt. If such individuals choose to live in western worlds, there will be clash of cultures and such individuals will look for a way to force his idea of "wealth" to come to fruition - they will most probably go into crime as the last resorts eventually.

Mostly (not at all times), that is what causes cases like this.

Bolded is the simple truth. If you go to 9ja and be low key, people say you did not make it. They will be saying how that person in Sweden or Japan built that storey building or used x of number cars last time he came. He was carrying many fine girls.

Not everyone will decide to disclose all his investments to people or appear lavish in a country with so many people just managing.

In the West, nobody really cares about your wealth or how you live large. That reduces the pressure to keep up with the Joneses.
Yet some 9ja folks in the West cannot recognise the advantage of this. They still want to "chill with the big boys" and go into crime.

o123456789:
Constituency project money for members of national assembly in Nigeria is a very big scam, for instance which member of the national assembly both former and current, can point to a small meaningful project to help the masses in their constituency or senatorial district.?

Abeg lower the volume. Na 9ja we dey, The place was not set up to work. Only to benefit a few.

thesicilian:
Won't be surprised if that 6 is actually x3 or x4

The question is if it's 6 or 60. When a babe admit 6, just know say it is much higher.

Guys grossly inflate body count too look dope, while ladies massively underreport body count to appear like a saint.

The consequence is that ladies believe guys have more babes. Na lie.

ExtraIncomes:
TME419 is Good.

It Has Less Cyanide. And It is What is Being used to produce Custard.

I also have a company in Ondo State That Can Buy Over 30 Tonnes of TME419 Variety When You Convey Them To Their Company.

Where in Ondo State?

mrvitalis:
Stop talking rubbish

At minimum wage you need 2 years salary to buy a brand new car ; #80 x24 =1920

At minimum wage today you would need 50 years salary minimum to buy a brand new car of same class

Least brand new car now is minimum $20k that's 30 million

That's 1000 x minimum wage..... That's 83 years

You need to work and retire at from 25 to 60
3 and half times to achieve same

Stop supporting rubbish

You do not need to waste your time on that guy.

As a kid, we went with a relative who was a salary earner and bought a Beetle Ijapa car. 3k. Since we paid cash, we even got an extra tyre (a second new tyre) and a gallon of oil thrown in. Long after 1975 o.

Remember that by 1975, there was even a bit of inflation due to Udoji award that increased money in worker's pockets since a couple of years earlier.

saasala:
Not saying there no bad women out there.

There are as many bad women as there are men. For every woman who fvcks around, there are two men who fvcks ten times more, beat their wives, get home drunk, gamble, smoke and engage in stupid activities.

Now tell me, should women because of these stupid men come to Nairaland and call all men useless and stupid?

They already do and worse. Their common position include "All men scum, all men are dogs".

In the past we were covering up the nefarious activities of women. Why? Because we thought by doing so, we were respecting our own female relatives. But men suddenly realised that men were suffering in silence.

On my part, I have seen far more bad behaviour from women to men that the opposite.
Guess what? In real life, most men out of shame are still reluctant to say what they go through in the hands of women.

How many men will tell you straight up" I caught my wife with our BQ tenant". None. Because of ego. But Women will shout all over the place that their hubby slept with the housegirl.

Whereas women shout all their bad experiences in the hands of men from the rooftops.
Men get no sympathy even if they say it. Yet everybody empathises with women when they start crying,

You are still very much in the past if you believe men fvck around more.

Think about it: A guy can go for years without sex if he does not go out there and make the effort to woo a lady, spend money and do all the rigmarole. But a girl can stand by the roadside, be in the shop, public transport, workplace and men toast her. A woman does not need money to have sex. In fact they may collect money and other perks for opening their legs. A woman can have sex with guys her age up to sugar daddies old enough to be her grandad.

So let me ask you: who has more opportunities to have sex? Women by far and don't be deceived. Women have far higher body count on the average.

saasala:
The lot of Nairalanders will not understand or value this post. There are too many kids in their twenties on this forum. They come here to talk sh1t about women as though they don't have mothers, sister or aunties. They say only a fool gets married and everywoman is olosho. They call good men simps etc.

I laugh when I see people come to Nairaland to seek marital advise. These kids will call your wife olosho and tell you to send her packing just because there is a little misunderstanding between you two.

Many of them are actually the real simps offline. They only come here to talk rubbish and go behind to do hurrible things for and with women

Seun needs to do something about it fast.

@OP, thanks for this post. As a married man, I find it helpful.

Dude, as a guy, you love your mum or sisters because they are your blood. Not because they are any better than any other women out there. That applies to every guy.

When it comes to a lady you want to live your life with, that's different. There's no automatic transfer of that love.

You mum and your sisters will not "paternity fraud" you. My relative whose all three kids were not his, his mum and sister didn't "defraud" him with paternity but the wife he loved did.

Dude remove sentiments and see the light.

If under forensic exam a woman checks out fine, great, Treat her great.

But don't be "blauaeugig (naïve)" like my late relative and many other men I have seen.

Men have to know this first. Otherwise you may not get to know until decades later. Too late.