₦airaland Forum

Shuku0kukobambi:
Unfortunately, Atikulation has rubbished the biafra agitation.

That's your opinion. The election boycott was called off after a deal was reached with the FG so Igbos were justified in participating, though most IPOB members didn't vote. The idea behind resurrecting the thread was to call out those who believed at all that election could do anything towards restoring Biafra, and who thought their votes would count.

JomoGbomo2:
You are Smart, your analysis is on point devoid of sentiment.

The Igbos are typically not logical when it comes to Nigerian politics; their sentiments tends to control their decisions.

Any agitation for Biafra now is null and void because they actively participated in the electoral process and lost.

Shuku0kukobambi:
Very few will take you serious again after the double speak from kanu and his eventual capitulation.

No. Only people who have always pretended not to have taken us seriously will continue doing so while the majority of the civilized world will continue to recognize our right to self determination. Kanu has been consistent. The only people that did double speak were apc and pdp who accused him of working for each other at various stages during the campaign. If i were you I should fear (if you aren't doing that already). An election result which perfectly reflects the country's deep division is a boost to the Biafran argument. The rigging resulting to buhari's victory has taught the Igbo doubting thomases their lesson. The anger will only make the Biafran agitation gather its needed pace.

...and so it came to pass. What changed? where are those online fools and political neophytes thinking they can liberate Igboland through the ballot? They should now swallow their pride and know that Biafra remains the only answer.

I heard some fools as usual saying Kanu is finished if he comes back to Nigeria. let me remind them that they are the ones to fear if he comes back, because he will formally be coming back as an Israel/American ally, and any attack against him will be a provocation to US and Israel.
Btw for Israel to have aided successfully in the September 2017 rescue operation in Umuahia is an indication that they already have strong but secret military presence in nigeria. Anything can happen anytime from now.

victorvezx:
Kanu has built a cult of personality around himself that u his brainwashed followers think he is so powerful and can challenge Nigeria.

Buhari thinks so too

Seems FG has belatedly realized that operation python dance was a huge misfire

NwaAmaikpe:



Igbos hate to see themselves progress.

Umahi's only grouse is that he wants the VP to be picked amongst the present governors of the South East.

But we are not bothered.
Umahi is an unrepentant traitor to the SouthEast.
A Buhari stooge and an APC sympathetist.

Umahi is all of that and Ebonyi state is the weakest link of the South East.
Peter Obi is the man.

Igbos are not sheep. stick to what you know.

she made sense in her insanity.

temptnow:
So how many young person can afford APC N45m form?

why is it so?

temptnow:
Too late, buhari is a bigger mistake. An illiterate.

Take your ë and stick it up your asss

if you find yourself always choosing btw old people then there is problem.

manuelzz:
Don't be deceived by Apc propaganda! Only Zombies call him by those names because they are all pained. You should be Atikulate bro, you should be!

no time for that.

EternalTruths:
Atiku despised in which North.?


Pls, go and sleep.

Politics is meant for realists.

when campaigns starts you'll start to hear things like 'atiku president of Biafra' or we 'patriotic nigerians' against 'anti nigerian atiku'

Already they have started calling him a Biafran. It is only Igbos who have refused to learn that their destiny does not belong to nigeria. Every other group struggling in this election have something to gain from one nigeria exept the Igbos . tufiakwa!

killsmith:
It's painful seeing How atiku has been able to brainwash people without a blueprint for economic revival and restructuring the country.

I asked my friend today, if we vote atiku and he turns out to be another scam like buhari, how do we save face and demand referendum again?

There is no hope for Nigeria because the west needs Nigeria and Africa underdeveloped so that they can keep taking our resources.

We need to sit down with atiku and sign an agreement with him that he must restructure the country before we give him our votes.

If you sign agreement will you implement it for him? can you restructure without referendum? can you retructure without passing through national assembly which is constitutionally fashioned to favour anti-restructuring elements. our youths are lost!

Truth is one of the most difficult pills to swallow but it’s indispensible anyway. Some Igbos have joined the bandwagon without asking some important questions. Here are reasons atiku can never win 2019 elections

He is not what some people think.

It is obvious from his recent history that he is just as integrity challenged as every other politician we have always complained about. From the PDP to AC, then to CAN. From ACN to PDP then again to APC and to PDP. Such talks about a detribalized man shouldn’t be taken seriously cos aside the fact that no Nigerian is detribalized, most of the reasons his supporters give to back up their claims are also true about Buhari and even more. An example is the claim that he had an Igbo running mate in 2007, but Buhari has had two Igbo running mates. Also people claim he has an Igbo wife but they forgot the claim that Buhari has an Igbo cook, an Igbo pilot and an Igbo daughter in-law, yet his administration has been the most anti Igbo since after the civil war. If we can accept him based on these then we could have accepted Buhari even more in 2015. Moreover, we know that he has never been a fan of restructuring unlike the likes of late Alex Ekwueme, Bola Tinubu etc. He only started flaunting the word lately without spelling out in details the forms it will take and the blueprint to achieve it. Yet, some of our people seem to be swallowing it. Most northerners and westerners believe they’ll lose in an event of restructuring. Some have even spoken against it openly. Why are our people behaving like they sighned a pact with him? Why then should some of our people believe a northerner can disfavor his people to please us? Do our people think he will not need the support of the north if he dares win, and will not do everything including retaining the status quo to pacify them?

Incumbency Factor

Buhari has contested election several times and rejected the results. It is diffult to believe that a man who instigated post election violence in 2011 and has rebuffed several advice not to contest will ‘allow’ himself to lose now that he has INEC, police, DSS, military, civil defence and religion to use. These institutions are all headed by his kinsmen, including INEC. Again, Most PDP governors need these institutions commanded by the president in order to secure their second term and will likely cut underhand deals with Buhari to support him secretly. The fact that jonathan’s loss was a first time occurrence is what our people seem to have forgotten. Lightening never strikes twice in the same place. Ekiti, Edo, and Osun election have proven that Buhari now has power and 2015 free and fair election ‘mistake’ won’t be repeated.

IPOB factor

Igbos have been voting since the the end of the war but things have only gotten worse and worse. No jobs, no power, no security, no roads and infrastructure in the east. In fact many people believe that the east is under a de-facto blockade by the Nigerian establishment which atiku that our people ignorantly support is part of. As a result most Igbos believe that pressing for a Biafran referendum through election boycott is the only way to eliminate suspicion among ethnic groups which hinders development and bring development to our people. South east and south south are supposed to be Atiku’s stronghold, but Ipob has called for election boycott. They have come to represent the aspiration of the people of our regions in the last three yrs. If you doubt it, at least accept that they command the majority public opinion in our region which they have demonstrated through sit-at-home and protests. The truth is that the Igbos are beginning to understand that Biafra is better and voting is useless in Nigeria. A vehicle like Nigeria which is broken beyond repair does not need a new driver, it needs dismemberment and only political jobbers think otherwise. Beside IPOB, facts on ground show that most Igbos were already fed up and were not too enthusiastic about the last election involving Jonathan which resulted in low turn-out, how much more atiku a northerner. In addition, this is the first time the election boycott will favor buhari’s immediate ambition and he is likely to support it subtlety, all to atiku’s disadvantage and Biafra’s gain.

Ethnicity

We all know Nigerian politics is ethnic politics. Most Igbos fail to realize that all these talks about development during campaigns is hogwash. This is even why Nigeria can never develop. Jonathan lost not because of anything bad but because the north and west felt he wasn’t part of the anti-Igbo establishment and the increasing suspicion that he will upturn things. Buhari still enjoys cult followership in the north west, north east and some parts of north central because of his ethnic group and religion. Only a little change occurred in the last three and half yrs. He is only likely to lose in plateau, benue and kwara and win in all other northern states. Most SW states are already in apc and will vote him with the hope of getting the presidency in 2023. As a result atiku will find himself in a dilemma in choosing vp. If he chooses an Igbo he is in trouble, if he chooses a Yoruba, he is in bigger trouble. Notherners know how to mobilize the rest of the country with anti Igbo sentiment. They’ll label him a Biafran supporter if he picks an Igbo and what happen in 2015 will repeat itself. Does it surprise you that arewa youths support an Igbo VP candidate for PDP but not For APC? If he pick Yoruba, the remaining moderate Igbos will dump him and obey boycott in protest.
If he has chosen Peter obi as being rumoured it is worse still for him. Remember the 2006 massob killings in Onitsha, the ezu river saga etc. Obi is neither a force to reckon with in PDP nor Anambra politics, not to talk of Igboland in general. He never won a senatorial seat in for Apga in 8yrs. Besides, All the PDP heavy weights like Chris Uba, Ulasi etc are against him, which was why he couldn’t win his ward for PDP during the 2017 election in Anambra. Again, Obi has been at loggerheads with Obiano his successor who now tacitly supports buhari. It’s difficult to see how Obiano will support him.

Foreign support

Both US and UK supported buhari’s candidacy in 2015. While it’s clear they US no longer supports him there is no evidence to suggest they are backing Atiku.

Igbos should open their eyes and follow Biafra whole-heartedly.you can’t want to win in Nigeria and still want to get Biafra. You can’t eat your cake and still have it. It’s called hypocrisy . leave election for Nigerias cos nothing will change whether you vote or not. It may appear like we are losing out in Nigeria but with focus we’ll win.

OlaAshawo:
Ipob never and will never be pro Nigeria
no reasonable ipob will support anything pro Nigerian
we their supporters are just concerned about removing Buhari in order to accelerate justice to him for his extrajudicial killings of armless harmless ipob and for better tomorrow where our voices be it for separate ways or restructuring will be heard without bullets.

don't mind apc cultists and vagabonds

cc
cilicmarin
sarrki
midolian
seunmsg
madridguy
passingshot

you better stop fooling yourself cos you are not an IPOB member.

HigherEd:
How derogatory?
The Anglican Church is my family church. Anglicans especially of the British extract do not really like charismatic messages. And that is why I said it is not ur average message in an Anglican Church.

hmm...Well I don't know whether you truly are an active Anglican cos you just called it your "family church" instead of your church, as an Anglican I make bold to tell you that Anglican is more orthodox than any orthodox church yet more evangelical than all of the so called Pentecostal churches. The issue of being charismatic has to do with environment not Anglicanism
itself. While Europeans prefer quietness, the poverty in Africa has changed our mode of worship such that pple mistake shouting and jumping and falling as a mark of a living church, which is wrong. the Bishop did well but some felt it was a right sermon for the wrong occasion.

confusionist

Great

pride goes before a fall
if in doubt ask bar jesus

hmm... just stumbled across this prophetic thread...the country is already failed. it is hunted by extreme corruption, terrorism, sectarian conflicts and diminishing infrastructure. nigeria is so bad at the moment that it constitutes a time bomb to global stability. diminishing infrastructure and internal conflicts coupled with exploding population is a migration crisis waiting to happen. Trump has phobia for that and his anti one nigeria stance will soon begin to manifest more clearly.

For all the saints who from their labors rest
who THEE by faith before the world confessed
THY name o JESUS be forever blessed. alleluia!

RIP member BB

Anybody thinking buhari will loose is a fool

scholes0:
You said they mostly occur in the upper class, which is actually a false narrative, because the reverse is actually the case here. It is more common among the screps of society, for nothing else but the mere fact that in Nigeria they constitute the main mass of society.. How many younger people in street level relationships and with kids even do proper weddings anymore these days?
You even said Yoruba men were the only ones marrying Igbo women and from the other direction no Igo men were marry Yoruba women. Another of your opinions, and while I agree that more Yoruba men marry Igbo women than Igbo men marrying Yoruba women, it is more like a 65-35 situation, and not a lack of both in substantial numbers.

I can't refute your points because you had no point to begin with, just opinions based on what you think, which you would realize to be evidentially wrong if facts in form of raw data were to be presented. In Lagos, I have seen more children with mixed Yoruba-Igbo names than Yoruba-Others by a whole lot of wide margin.

you either do yourself the favour of reading things carefully or you quit this thread for threads within your intellectual capacity instead of making disjointed arguement. no point to refute? then what have you been struggling to do.
you have seen more mixed children of Igbo and yoruba then in your warped logic it means that is the fact? i made a valid statement that yoruba /Igbo intermarriage is nothing near the highest as claimed through media propaganda, you started by saying it happens everywhere but ended up saying it happen mostly in the city like i said. inter tribal marriage is when men From tribe A marry Women from tribe B and men from B take women from A. so far, Igbos give and dont 'take'. Igbo women get attracted to men from all the ethnic groups and marry in some cases but yoruba seems to be loudest about it.when people heavily intermarry, it is difficult to see a family without having a trace of another group. this is the case with hausa / fulani and itshekiri / urhobo. there is absolutely nothing like that in an average yoruba family viz Igbo that will warrant such a sweeping statement talk more of Igbo family that hardly take in other women. in fact unlike others that have to do with cultural contiguity, Igbo/ yoruba marriages are circumstantial. once lagos cease to be a meeting hubs it will end.

the op is right after all

scholes0:
lol lol lol

Yes, Yorubas are more open to intertribal relationships because Yorubaland has historically always been a melting pot of sorts, various people have come and gone through what is now Yorubaland and this part of the world has always been open and well connected to all surrounding areas. But at the end of the day the Yoruba people always remain the only outlasting legacy.

While I am not really for or against intertribal marriages especially being the person from a dominant culture such as mine having nothing to fear, I would caution you to re-think your assertions that Yoruba-Igbo intermarriage is limited to just the Upper class in Lagos alone.
Have you visited the Lagos state marriage/wedding registry to study the stats or what? Secondly, why does it end in just Lagos? You think Lagos is the only place in the SW where Igbos can be found?

Those intertribal marriages making the headlines are only getting such publicity because the people involved are society people, but there are literally hundreds that take place going unnoticed each day.

Truth is the most common intertribal marriages are those between adjacent tribes, but those are mostly rural in nature, but in the cities (urban landscapes) in places such as Lagos or Abuja, one can't really make such bold assertions. Yoruba-Igbo marriages might actually outnumber all other urban inter-ethnic relations in Nigeria.
My 2 Kobo.

how did you smuggle "alone" into my assertion? BTW you neither refuted any of my points successfully.

The cyberspace is replete with a flurry of unverifiable write ups . As a result of the rise of blogs the focus of writing has shifted from education to profit making, keeping the public to grapple with the menace of misinformation, half truth and fallacies. As they say when lie is repeated it is often taking to be truth. I will explain top 5 wrong impressions people make about Igbos and Nigeria.
IGBOS ARE THE THIRD LARGEST ‘TRIBE’ IN NIGERIA

Nigerian population result does not reflect the population of each of her own ethnic group, despite the fact that Igbo and Yoruba appear in census questionnaire in UK. Most online users and organizations are therefore forced to either quote foreign surveys like the CIA handbook or appropriate population figures themselves which see them calling Igbo the third largest tribe. More worrisome is the fact that publications affiliated to government have taken this trend. The Igbo has never fallen to the third place in the days of ethnic count. Whatever is the case, it wrong for the govt. not to allow ethnic groups on census questionnaire and at the same allow wrong impressions to thrive.

AFIKPO PEOPLE ARE MUSLIMS
There is this claim made being made online about muslims in Igbo land especially in Afikpo in Ebonyi state. A preacher even stated once that more than 70 percent of afikpo people are muslims. Also there are photos online occasionally creating the impression of conversions to Islam by some unidentified young people. Even Celebrities like Emmanuel emenike once had to refute a rumour about his conversion. All these are of course not true. There is no known celebrity nor public figure from EBONYI state who is a muslim. Igbos travel far and wide. Some are born in muslim heartland in northern Nigeria and even in Dubai and Quatar, yet remain unchanged in religion. If they have a taste for Islam, that is a nice place to begin.

IGBOS AND YORUBAS HAVE THE MOST INTERTRIBAL MARRIAGE IN NIGERIA
This one of the most repeated false statements about Igbos recently. Igbos are conservative when it comes to intermarriage. Despite this there has been numerous cases of men from cousin tribes contiguous to Igboland such as Ijaw,Efik/ Ibibio, Isoko etc marrying Igbo women in the past and presently. However, aside Ibibio /Efik where Igbo men occasionally marry from, it is very difficult to see an Igbo man married to woman from another tribe. Conversely, Yoruba men embrace inter tribal marriage for reasons best known to them. In fact most Yoruba men I know would wish to marry outside their tribe. Since millions of Igbos and yorubas meet daily in lagos it not strange to occasionally see marriage between a Yoruba man and an Igbo lady . However this in no way makes marriage between Igbo and Yoruba the biggest in Nigeria. Marriages between the Hausas and Fulanis unarguably constitute the biggest in Nigeria followed arguably by that of Yorubsa and Edos. There is also high rate of intermarriage between Yoruba and Hausa as well as itshekiri and urhobo. Unlike these other cases, Most Yoruba/ Igbo marriages involve Igbo women and Yoruba men and they occur mostly among people in the upper class of Lagos, which makes it not balanced enough to be called inter tribal marriage by my definition. Excessive media exhibitionism often accorded to Igbo/Yoruba marriages creates this false impression.

NIGERIA CAN ONLY DEVELOP IF IGBO AND YORUBA WORK TOGETHER
This statement is a clear endorsement of ethnicity, quota system and mediocrity. This is because it gives the impression that talent and genius have ethnic tag. Boast about the accomplishment of your ethnic group, you hear a counter argument that everybody is equally endowed irrespective of tribe. Why should we then promote the mentality that a team of talented individuals cannot succeed unless it is scrutinized and ethically ‘balanced’ to enable tribes ‘work together’? Everybody has a right to live out his dream and excel without being forced to leave his region and ‘work together’ with someone from another tribe.

FIGHT AMONG NIGERIANS END ONLINE

It takes a height of delusion to make this hasty conclusion. Most physical fights and conflicts that have occurred in the country in the past were not caused by the internet. This is to show that grudges and anger are real. However, since the internet offer the much needed anonymity to people while giving them a platform for expression; it is not difficult to see why Nigerians express their deepest thoughts about each using the platform. Each of these thoughts is important and still guides their actions in the real world.

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Sphinx02:
This question has been on my mind for a long time.Someone please explain to me why there was so much rejoicing and euphoria by some Nigerians over Trumps victory in faraway america??

maybe you should start by asking why some mourned for his victory

I stand with Nnamdi Kanu

Ghanaians wont forget what she need in Chinua Achebes burial service in 2012

onye nsala adighi enwe obara mgbani enu
no referendum no election

wow...best article i have read this yr
i used to think this guy is an impostor

Yyeske:
What is coming?

wait till it comes. you need to get a life cos your phone should be overheating by now.

Serious damage control
They know what is coming