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abobote:
Don't mind the foolish former minister, that connected rail way to Niger republic, built transport University in Daura, but only realized yesterday, that there's a failure of governance in Nigeria

He also built Maritime university in Delta state.

That his politics here is wrong shouldn't prevent us from being total with truth.

https://www.nmu.edu.ng/

willibounce1:
Fake news is fatal. You are mumu obingo so you will not understand how fatal fake news is. You can decide to start cooking fake news and sharing it around so you will join your chude brother in kuje. See mumu question wey him dey ask.

Learn! Learn! Learn!

How's chude my brother?

Fatal= causing death.

How many people has he killed? Why not take him to court for the people he's killed?

Again, how have you proven his comments fake without a law court.

N3TRAL:
His crime is fake news proliferation and spread. It is the cyber felony that Obidîots are guilty of.

He will be tried in the appropriate court and if guilty, he will be punished according to law.

[b]
Fake news is fatal than armed robbery [/b]which deprives innocent people of their valued possessions. Fake news can kickstart a genocide, a war and unrest that may claim hundreds of thousands of adult and young lives.

Na wao!

How is fake news fatal than armed robberies.

Do you know the meaning of 'fatal'?

Social media didn't start fake news. Yet 95%+ of all genocides /pogroms have happened before social media.

Sue the fellow! Go to court.
Indiscriminate arrests are illegal.

How's it fake news when we have even verified what the fellow said. Nothing he said is impossible in Nigeria. Take him to court!

0monnak0da:
I am sorry to say your question is childish
Only children think in binaries
I have not expressed an opinion that it is good for them to take sides or not
My view is society should debate it and decide but the rules as they are do not prohibit it
It is hypocrisy to pick on Oba of Lagos for doing something he did not start

I'm NOT picking on him alone.
I'm expressing the same sentiment to all Obas who do/did what he did.

And No one prohibited it. That's why it's not in our Constitution. It's only reasonable they don't take sides that's why ALL contestants ceremonially go to them for blessings. Why go to them if it is expected that they do take sides?

In our history, Obas/Kings also served as ARBITERS.
They still do today. It doesn't speak well of someone who's considered an arbiter to be seen to have taken sides between parties.

That's why the Countries who still practice ceremonial Monarchy, the Kings do NOT publicly state preferred candidates.

BTW, No society can codify all its expectations in LAWS. That's impossible even if we wanted to.
However, there are things which aren't right BUT aren't stated in the law.

0monnak0da:
You have nothing to say
It is your opinion
That doesn't mean everyone must subscribe to your opinion
Stop trying to bulldoze or bully
Anything not legislated in human affairs will always be subject to debate especially so called unwritten rules
If that is to be the way forward it must be encoded

You're right.

I never said they are to be forced to behave so.

I didn't mean to imply that.

All I'm saying is that one in a position like that isn't supposed to Publicly take sides. This isn't a law. It's a reasonable line of action just like going to school is great BUT it's still not ENCODED in our laws.
But you're yet to give me a reason why it's a good idea for traditional rulers to take sides in an election that has his tribesmen as contestants.

I'm ready to hear from you how it is beneficial for traditional rulers to PUBLICLY announce a preference.


Cheers.

0monnak0da:
Who are. You to tell me what I know?
I arrive at knowing from a position of not knowing by THINKING and cognitive interrogation
Not emotion or sentiment
There is nothing wrong in aspiring for that BY CONSENSUS not by arrogating exalted insight or knowledge to yourself
If that is what we want as a people, fine! But I do not recall such an agreement

You're the one being sentimental.

Why do you go to school since it's not written in the constitution & it's not required by Ogun & IFa?

Why do you think people approach [perceived] neutral arbiters to resolve problems between disagreeing parties?

So why didn't they Traditional rulers and Oba choose a candidate between Ambode & Sanwolu PUBLICLY?

Why didn't they (Traditional rulers) choose publicly between PMB & Atiku? Including Northern traditional rulers?

Why did they choose Publicly between GEJ & PMB in 2015?

0monnak0da:
Not right according to
Ifa?
Ogun?
Yemoja?
The constitution?
Or what?

None.

But you know it isn't right.

It's also not written in the constitution to go to school too but I know it's the right thing to do.

If you think it's right for an Oba to be partisan (irrespective of who he supports)then fine.

raskymonojendor:
Gbam..when you see people that are not friends of Tinubu coming together to ensure that Sanwo Olu wins, then you know say water don pass garri.
I mean the likes of Aregbesola, Fayose and even Reno.

Aregbesola is a friend of Tinubu. That they have a temporary squabble which Tinubu has also had with all his protégés like Fashola, Prof. Yemi Osinbajo, Musiliu Obanikoro & other doesn't make him an enemy.

Fayose & Reno's views are of no consequence in Lagos. Not in the past, Not now, not in the Presidential. Not in the future.

So you think Aregbesola's cohort in Alimosho/other areas voted for PO?

Lol.

0monnak0da:
But a large gathering of Yoruba Obas including Ooni came out publicly for Tinubu?
Are they not
OF REPUTE?

Their actions aren't right.

An Oba PUBLICLY declaring support for a candidate isn't right.

I read that.


If not that Nigeria is like this, an Oba ought to be a great avenue for Alternative Dispute resolution like the courts. It their partisanship & political involvement has rubbed their images wrongly.

Roboto11:
It is OK for all your pastors and elder statesmen to support one candidate but woe betide an Oba who supports his.

IT IS Wrong for Pastors too!

That's why their are pastors who don't do it.

I don't care about 'elder statesmen' as most of them were former politicians.

And I shouldn't tell you that elder statesman are not officially recognised traditional rulers.

0monnak0da:
What are you saying?
What is your point

My point is that No traditional ruler of repute comes out publicly to pick a favourite in an election.

It's disgraceful to the stool they represent.

That's why you don't find Other reputable Obas doing it.

Roboto11:
GRV, Chinedu or whatever appellation ascribed to him has shown disdain for the Yoruba people and even romanced IPOB.

The Oba must show allegiance to his people and not outsiders who denigrate them.

Ohaneze Ndigbo publishes all manner of nonsense by the way.

You don't have an argument.

GrV isn't the only contestant in the elections.

Ohaneze Ndi Igbo is NOT a traditional ruler.

I'm referring to a traditional ruler. A Nigerian stool.

It's shameful for them to pick favourites publicly.

Publicly is the key here. You know in your heart that this is wrong & I don't care about GRV or anyone who becomes the Governor.

0monnak0da:
Did Yoruba Obas support Tinubu?

That's exactly what I'm saying.
I'm not talking about Yoruba obas.

I'm talking about THIS specific one.

Iamgrey5:
The king said Sanwo will win because his people are with Sanwo.

Just like everyone, OBA is entitled to his opinion under the Nigerian constitution.

When certain Igbos claim Lagos is no man's land, you don't necessarily need a dictionary to interpret that.

When GRV says he doesn't think in Yoruba, you didn't press him to explain further!

When Namdi Kanu's boys said a Yoruba pastor should not hold a crusade In Aba, you didn't ask to know where such exist in the Nigerian constitution.

But when Oba gives his opinion, you start looking for constitution.

Bunch of hypocrites..

It's HIS opinion but an Oba isn't a regular man.

The excellency of his position demands that he's not public with his choice.

Elections shouldn't allow us support the wrong things. This has nothing to do with Sanwolu or GRV.

Name any first class king that has uttered the words the Oba made in Nigeria with respect to political candidates.

Macmoni:
So now what did they expect I knew the lp guy was going no where, where have they ever gone ?
Only egocentrism and online warrior physically nothing to show fort than to claim victims over nothing

Online warriors?

You mean online warriors won Tinubu in Lagos?

Isn't that disgraceful?

sleek214:
Nice 👍. People should learn to respect their hosts. Lagos is for the Yorubas, Anambra is for the Igbos, Kano is for the Hausa/ Fulani. Unfortunately, LP has replaced APGA as the New Biafra/ Igbo Party. The massive love Obi received from the Christian North and South can Never happen again. The whole world have seen the Hypocrisy of Peter Obi and his Tribesmen.

Even though it can't happen again, it won't be because of your predictions.

Afterall they didn't need your predictions to be as effective (even though unsuccessful) as it was.

A lot happens outside your expectations/predictions.

inoki247:
Lol you no show dem ur PVC wey ur name dey or you people just want to chase Clout as usual....


If it happens truely which I doubt he no go hard u to prove yourself,...

Make them sha du the election mak everybody go rest...

In which world do people show other civilians their PVC to confirm they're not of a particular tribe in order to vote?

Na wao?

Lol.

lhordspy:
You continuous reference of GEJ mean he is your own Greatest politician in Nigeria.

Alright. Accepted. Your choice and opinion are personal, so is mine.

GEJ is NOT my greatest Politician.

I gave you OBJ & Yaradua. Who won in SE & SS where Tinubu did poorly. You said that Igbos voted Party not persons. What exactly do you want to hear?

You asked me to name a President who has done better than Tinubu in securing substantial votes across all regions in Nigeria.

I gave you an example in GEJ.

I was No 1 against GEJ in 2015. His government was corrupt. With Deziani & Co.

lhordspy:
You still refused answering my question.

No politician is Nigeria's greatest ever.

And GEJ had better numbers in every metric in 2011.Give me a single TOTAL metric where Tinubu did better than GEJ in 2011.

Tinubu had the poorest numbers as a winner in the history of our Presidential elections. This can't be the stuff of the greatest ever!

He won 12 states — same as the second candidate.
This hasn't even happened before since 1999.

GEJ won 25%+ of votes in more states in 2011 than Tinubu yet no one said he won the most substantial votes across all regions so what exactly do you mean by Tiny won the most substantial votes across all regions that hasn't happened before?

lhordspy:
Mr man. Tinubu had substantial number of votes from all region except Southeast. And i repeat, No politician ever achieved that.

Not even OBj, or Yaradua or Goodluck, or Buhari. And stop saying Igbos voted Obj, yaradua..blah blah. Igbos were under PDP as at that time. They were controlled by the PDP structures. They voted the party not the person.

If not for the emergence of a tribalistic fellow like Obi. They would have voted PDP's Atiku.

Now back to your argument. Please can you name the greatest politician in Nigeria since you differ with my choice.

GEJ won (not just getting 25% ) in 22 states & the FCT in 2011. Give me a single metric where Tinubu did better than Jonathan in 2011?

Hahahahahaha.

So the Igbos voted Party under PDP but voted personality under Peter Obi? Who did they vote under GEJ? So Obi alone is more powerful than the PDP (to corner PDP votes) yet he had to run out of PDP?

Hahahahahaha.

Who gets to decide that? You?
Who did people vote in Lagos last election ? Party or Person?

What exactly do you mean by substantially number of votes across all regions?

GEJ had more votes than Tinubu except for NE & NW regions in 2011. He also had more states than Tinubu.

Lastly you failed to state the advantages Tinubu had.Incumbency & PDP's internal squabbles.

There's no greatest Politician in Nigeria.
If you say there was, who was it before Tinubu won last Month?

Politics is a game of numbers. Tinubu won. But his numbers are the poorest since 1999 by a winner.

He won just 12 states.

Also GEJ won more 25% state votes than Tinubu yet he's from a Minority group.

lhordspy:
You are ignorant of something sir. Voting is about figures like you stated truly but it isnt just about that. Tinubu fought and won against the aggressive force of sentimental igbos who antagonise publicly and voted against him massively, the whole christian community which includes CAN, PFN... He fought against social media validation seeking youths and endsarz angry generation. The first politician to get his vote across all region, except the south/East. No other politician had achieved that feat before.

He fought the greatest battle politically in the history of Nigeria. Me saying he is the greatest politician is not just about this election. It entails his growth politically, the way he moves from grass to grace. He is a great political strategist and even you cant deny that. He is the master of Long-political games. He is the greatest politician dead or Alive in Nigeria presently.

If you differ, please give me an alternative.

'The first politician to get his votes across all the regions EXCEPT '

Why use the word Except after using the word ALL regions?

NO Nigeria Politician has ever won ALL regions before. TINUBU Inclusive.

Let me Remind you that South Eastern states voted against Igbo candidates MASSIVELY like Ojukwu (who's Biafra personified) & Orji Uzor Kalu when they voted OBJ (A Yoruba) & Yaradua (Fulani) in 2003 & 2007 respectively.

Again, let's get back to our point. Tinubu is the winner. That's great, I wish him the best.
However, he can't be the greatest Politician of all time when he won the least % of votes across the country. He also won the least % States in the History of Nigerian elections. And the least number of States since 1999.

Politics is a populist exercise. So someone who did the least (% & no of states) to win can't be said to be the greatest. Tinubu literally won the same number of States as the 2nd candidate. That has never happened since 1999.

You where quick to list all of the obstacles before Tinubu. But you failed to state the obvious advantage he had: That he was running on the platform of the incumbents' party APC.

You also failed to state how the deep crack in PDP assisted him mightily. What fight did he fight?
He's the first Nigerian candidate who has the privilege of winning with candidate with the same religion in Nigeria's history.

teepain:
Any one of the 3 leading candidate would have won with the least percentage because it was 3 horse race as against the usual 2 horse race that we have always had.

This isn't true.

I don't think PO would have won.

lhordspy:
This time we had Four main contender in the race unlike the two horse race we experienced before. It was bound to be like that.

Think now. Stop allowing sentiment cloud your common sense, sir.

Only after the results came out you refer to it as a 4 horse race. Kwankwanso can't even be said to be a 'real' contender here.


The Obidient movement was laughed at as a structureless group of 4 tweeters in a room.

Even Kwankwanso (who isn't a front runner) deemed himself a higher calibar than the LP candidate.

Reno even predicted that Obi would come a distant third (and this prediction was right he came a distant third).

My point is that BAT won the election but can't be said to be the greatest 'politician' when he had the lowest % of total votes — lower than PMB in 2019.


He BAT even made a divisive comment 2 days ago in Lagos forgetting that he's now the President in waiting no longer a Lagos /APC Boss & that he needs the support of others to succeed.

lhordspy:
Have you forgotten we also had the least voters turnout since 1999.

Have sense, sir.

I am not talking about absolute voter numbers.

I'm referring to % of votes.

He has the least % of votes.

That is to say BAT won ~37% of total votes.
No presidential candidate since 1999 has won below 40% of votes — including PMB in 2019.

seanfer:
I think Obi should stop going to media houses to discredit the election just because he lost.
He’s in court already challenging the result and giving interviews by claiming he won the election without evidence is not good for the stability of the country.
Thank God we are not in a military regime.

Funnily, what PO is doing nationally, APC bigwigs are doing in Lagos.

Where they go to TV & claim all sorts about the Lagos results. And how they won't let it happen in the gubers. As though they 'allowed' Presidential happen.

lhordspy:
From a man on exile, the consequence of fighting for democracy - to Senator Tinubu - to Governor Tinubu - to President Tinubu.

A blessing to country; Nigeria.
The greatest politician there was.
The greatest politician there is.
And the greatest politician there will ever be.

"If you hate who God loves, my friend you are in trouble''

The greatest Politician who got the least % of total Presidential votes since 1999, despite the irregularities encountered.

That's a strange metric.

lhordspy:
“I am not an hero worshipper and gossiper. For Gbadebo, the future is open to you. God will not kill you, there is nothing wrong in you contesting. All of those contesting are my children. I pray by the authority in this palace, God should help us to turn the state better. There is no way I can hate the igbos because they are among my best friend.”

Very wise elderly man.
Whenever i see people talking down on this man. Especially the south easterners, I just laugh at the disrespect. I am not a fan of him, but he is one of the wisest and straightforward elder-man one can find anywhere in Nigeria today.

I remember few days after the declaration of the presidential result and Ezeife, an elder-stateman, a Cheiftain from the Southeast. Someone the younger ones should be looking upto was asked on AriseTV about his expectation of Tinubu's presidency and how he feels the south easterners should be represented. The only thing that came out of this man's mouth was: 'Tinubu will never be sworn-in, and if he is sworn-in, it means there will never be Nigeria, this country will sc@tter'.

So much hatred, contempt, disdain, venom in an elderly man like that. The mischieveous Arisetv host that probably planned the whole thing to heat up the already tensed emotions on ground by interviewing such person knowing too well his hateful nature was even trying to calm him down, he still refused in saying anything tangible. Except this country must break.

You can never measure wisdom by age. I wish the southeasterners can pay more attention to their elder-statemen who are fanning war and disunity, instead of focusing on what is happening the southwest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PblErRcbrek

This man?

4tomandchi:
You don't need a prophet to tell you the next gold mine 2050 - 2023 = 27 years.

We the young parents of this age should point our children towards this career path not all this Mass Com. and Philosophy crap folks are wasting 4years on in the university these days.

True but why do you think more than half of the STEM graduates don't work in STEM fields today?

Because it's not true that there's a gap.

Every company will to fill any role today would get an employee — IF they can pay!

The problem is that they (employers) want to pay so little for a lot.

LosC:
Rent alone will take the whole money

Not true.
Depends on where he chooses.

There are decent 2 bedrooms for N700k.

And a single 22 YO may not even need a 2 BDF.

Tycyborg:
Like a country with good citizen... What's the difference? Man waving flag and a computerized barricade? The difference is one is being paid monthly and one is being paid by servicing... Secondly who told you they Nigerians or people can't go past barricade? Look at all the barbwire they did to prevent people from crossing the railway line except the intersection... They are all torn by people... Same Nigerian citizens... Truth is we don't like development... We only wail... Look at when fashola wants to build that interchange at oshodi... Those guys selling games and so on were against it... Those market women were against it everyone were against it saying is it beautiful we want to chop... When he forcefully chased them away and built the interchange who is now enjoying it?
Look at all traffic lights almost everyone don't respect it u less there is a police or traffic warder there... Nigerians don't like development inas much that bad is suits what they want or whatever they've been doing they will go against the good development. Simple...
Besides can you prove the rail thing is not 70 percent because I speak from what I know not what I heard.
Thank you

I said easily. Reread my comment.
I'm any case a barricade is much better than a waving flag.

Go online & check for similar accidents where there was a barricade. They'll be a lot fewer than those with flags.

Again you didn't answer my question of why we use barricades on our bridges instead of waving flags?

Fashola supposedly phased out molue too right.
So why do we still have molue in Lagos — even not enough at rush hour?

What the carriage capacity of the blue rail, what's the passenger traffic along that route daily.
You do the maths. Don't get me start on how long it took them to deliver the project & how much it cost.

Lol.

God help us.

Tycyborg:
In Nigeria here especially in Lagos there are people mounting the point of railway crossing.. not all the crossing but most... You will see them waving red flags and telling the vehicles crossing to stop... So same goes to as it is not everywhere in the United States... This is not something I heard it's something I saw myself... That incident of Bus train accident happened in the morning and I witnessed it... The guy was waving the flag to stop vehicle but the bus didn't stop... And the accident happened... My point is it's not everything we blame government about... This facilities were there... They may not be 100 percent but the are at least 70 percent... I am not saying government shouldn't do more but the blame game on everyday thing on government has to stop.... We should blame them for what's due not non important or everyday thing.
That's my point

No government in Nigeria is 70%. We're barely average. 70% in what exactly? Health? Education? Infrastructure? Or Housing? Is it insecurity? Or food security? Forex or Manufacturing?

Lol.

Secondly, A human waving a flag is NOT a facility.
Facilities are functional structures. A driving bus can evade a man waving a flag but it can't evade a dropping barricade easily.

Why don't we have men waving flags on our bridges instead of barricades?

This is a sad event. I don't principally blame the government but the rogue driver. But the barricades should have been there.





Secondly,

Rapuru14:
If Lagos were to be located somewhere around east and Igbo historical relationship with Lagos happened to be what Yoruba is to Lagos today believe me Lagos would have been a true centre of excellence and melting point of all talents in Nigeria.

Do you know why I share this sentiment, Igbos irrespective of their weaknesses love competition. They would be happy to welcome any talent that will challenge what they already have. This is the reason why Igbos have many rich men because everyone wants to be the best. Though it attracts some envy but the positive effects of competitive mindset is more than the backdrops.

Here we have supposed intelligent Yorubas fighting a tribe divinely blessed just because they feel Igbos are outshining them.

What stops you from shinning your own in your own way? Or you don't trust God to make you also shine through your efforts?

The world is fast moving. If the few demonically tribalistic Yorubas don't change, they will be left behind.

Everybody is important

No one 'likes' competition.

What you'll say Is that they're entrepreneurial.

Theodore Orji initially sacked Imo Indigenes in Abia state Civil service before correcting himself.
That's not 'liking' competition .

Also Igbo's aren't more divinely blessed than any other tribe.
There are poor Igbos as in other tribes.
But many are entrepreneurial & so become immensely successful.

There are wildly rich individuals across various tribes too.