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hinwazaka:
And it's up to the courts, by the dictates of the constitution to decide if Dasuki's case constituted a crime against national security

They got a search warrant didn't they? So what are we arguing about? The court sided with them.

hinwazaka:
The courts interpret the constitution and use of it. The DSS need to obey the dictates of the constitution according to the courts. A judge gave them a warrant according to his own intepretation of the constitution. This doesn't mean its the entire judicary's stance on it

And the constitution says the DSS can investigate any crime/person it deems to be against the interest of National security.

Mogidi:
Same way you and your crew are for the president and would swallow and support govt at every turn, hook, line, sinker.

I don't have a crew, i am a Nigerian and Nigeria is the only thing that matters, i don't care if its Buhari, chiwendu or Titilayo that makes Nigeria better.
Not everybody who comments on the politics section has a political leaning.

shaqhead:
This folks are irredeemable! Barcanista is jst doin his job of selling stale agidi as Shawarma and som ppl wl eat out hate for ds government.

Hws ur day goin bro?

I'm good thanks.

shaqhead:
@hinwazaka
As mch as I dnt what ur debate is with Azed1, why mentioned him was becos of d reference to the DSS website. My position is simple and it is that facts speak for themselves and the facts on the DSS website answers all the questions the OP throwed up-one word, JURISDICTION!

It is clearly stated on d site that the DSS has no jurisdictional limitations as they are allowed by LAW to get involved in any case that they deem a security threat jst like the FBI of the US and that puts an end to the OPs submissions and evry other argument on this specifically!

The OP and his crew are against the President, so they would lie and do all sorts to rubbish this administration. Its just a pity some ignorant fellow would swallow their lies.

Mogidi:
Decree 4 can't work in present dispensation, forget that line of thought.

Who is talking about the decree 4?
Saying Mr x wants the president dead is freedom of expression but its also a national security threat.
There's a thin line between freedom of speech and the national security line.

hinwazaka:
Wrong, it should be according to the courts. What they had was a hunch. And also, its not the entire DSS that would have been behind this, just Mr Lawal Daura. Afterall Mr Dasuki was a staff of the DSS a week prior to the saga. Why wasn't he a threat then

The courts are not greater than the constitution. The DSS doesn't need to approach a court to commence an investigation. Remember they went to Dasuki's house with a warrant. Why did the judge/magistrate sign the warrant if the DSS didn't have jurisdiction?

Mogidi:
The predicted "Police state" is about to become real, no more freedom of thought or freedom of expression.

On the contrary, there is the freedom of thought and expression don't just cross the national security line.

barcanista:
This is very ridiculous. Have you ever seen or heard that DSS investigates robbery? What is the job of the police especially FCID department? Do you have any idea that even the EFCC and ICPC restrains themselves to their individual mandate? Have you seen the EFCc perform the role of Code of Conduct? So what is your point exactly? That section of Economic crimes that may affect National Security has to do with cases where looted funds are traced to be used in sponsoring terrorism or treason. Do you get that?

Try robbing the office of the DSS and see who comes after you.

Mogidi:
Wow!! bros you nailed it with the emboldened, flawless logic. I wonder why I've not been arrested, I could one day become a threat also.

They don't have your time yet. Be patient , don't try and jump the queue.

Mogidi:
Maybe you got me wrong, my complaint is that the DSS left their primary role of intelligence gathering. The article on page one details their obsession to please the incumbent at Aso rock rather than concentrate on the fight against terrorism. You'd agree, storming PDP offices and working as parallel EFCC officials is tantamount to giving boko haram unhindered access to bomb at will, boko haram has benefited from the resulting chaos.

No i don't agree. Its not like the DSS has only 10 officers.

hinwazaka:
I guess you didn't read Olisa Metuh's reaction against it and I guess you didn't see a move by disgruntled employees to align with the opposition through a body infiltrated by the opposition to get back at the individual company as funny. Also the PDP affair is basically a move by the PDP to clean house and get rid of family members of defectors, who are still loyal to their benefactors.
Believed to be a threat to national security, according to whom, that is the argument. Dasuki was not seen as a threat a weak before his retirement. But became one, the day his successor took over

According to the DSS. The law gives them the right to do that. Oh by the way, it is one day Shekau became a threat to National security, the same way it would take Dasuki a day to become a threat.

barcanista:
This is very funny. The army handles the operational fight, the DSS gathers intelligence and proactively foil attacks, and unearth hidden masterminds and sponsors, while the NIA takes care of external intelligence gathering. Haba...

Who said they aren't?

barcanista:
So it also the responsibility of DSS to investigate robbery? This is why I am saying that some of you are pathetic. Who handled the assassination investigation of Funso Williams, Bola Ige andothers? Why didnt aggriveved ApC SINators tell the DSS to investigate the alleged forgery of Senate rules? You see why I always say some of you are the problems of Nigeria? Do you even have any clue on the role of DSS, NIA and DMI? That some clowns petition DSS to investigate a job that is within the powers of EFCC, ICPC and Police does not justify DSS' impunity. Also the DSS went there to "maintain law and order" which is clearly the mandate of Police.

Fyi: DsS is not alternative police nor a superior one.

If the DSS feels the robbery is a threat to national security, it is there responsibility to investigate it. They have blanket powers within Nigeria. All they have to do is to come up with a reason no matter how stupid and they are covered by the law.

c) Such other responsibilities affecting internal security within Nigeria as the National Assembly or the President: as the case may be:may deem necessary
The bold part is from the DSS website, note the part that says "as the case may deem necessary".

Mogidi:
But the gathering of intelligence is the responsibility of DSS, boko haram is not a regular army, the spate of suicide bombings that escalated in recent weeks can only be the result of the DSS not playing its primary role of intelligence gathering.

The DSS actually faulted by not stopping this early, something they are trying to do now that you are complaining.

hinwazaka:
Jurisdiction is left to the interpretation of the courts. Your school of thought belongs to the soviet union

Now that is funny

Mogidi:
Is Dasuki or the the storming of PDP secretariat a bigger threat than boko haram? You forgot the primary role of the DSS is to secure Nigeria.

The fight against Boko Haram has been handed over to the Nigerian Army and the multinational joint task force. Everyman and his dog knows that.

zicoraads:
My point exactly. I am all for truth and accountability. If Dasuki has been found to have diverted monies meant for weapons and allowances of our soldiers, by all means haul him to Guatanamo Bay if possible. If the DSS had showed receipts and evidence of transactions that pointed to the fact that he used those monies for personal gain, I will sing their praises to the heavens.

When the news broke, and a friend of mine was screaming witch hunt, I told the friend to relax, that the DSS might be trying to get account of how we budgeted trillions for defence and our soldiers are still complaining of weapons and salaries.

And then I saw bullet proof cars being paraded...I hissed! Permit or not, if bullet proof cars are the reason they went after him, as they want us to believe, then am afraid they have nothing on him. Dasuki is a prince, he has money. He made a lot of money during IBB's regime. The man can afford hundred of those cars.

The DSS went with a search warrant, if Dasuki had cooperated, nobody would have known anything. The press conference was just to keep people from talking.
Dasuki as a former military man ans NSA is very well informed about the workings of the DSS, there are so many things behind the scenes that the DSS and Dasuki are not saying.

hinwazaka:
where in your writeup was any of the OP's claims disproved. The DSS is the superior police officer not the only police officer. We do not operate a totalitarian system of government. And again look up the word JURISDICTION. As I said earlier on read and comprehend

The JURISDICTION of the DSS is Nigeria.

Anything or anyone they feel is a threat to National security is under their jurisdiction.

hinwazaka:
Petrol is a consumer good, period.

Power installations and petroleum installations round the country are classified as critical assets.

hinwazaka:
Don't just browse, try and comprehend
Economic crimes of national security dimension is not discovery of foreign currencies and is not exactly the same as economic crimes as constituted to be against the law

What is 'Economic crimes of national security'?

Can you define that term? And with examples please.

zicoraads:
Of cos I know that, I also know that those bullet proof cars were not the primary reason they went into Dasuki's compound. See ehn, if the DSS wants to start arresting people with bullet proof cars and deeming it as 'national security threats'...dem go arrest plenty people.

My point here is, and let us be sincere, do you honestly and sincerely think the DSS went in primarily for those cars? Until I see what they termed 'national security threats', I am saying, they are just using the cars as a cover for goofing.

No but when a country is battling internal terrorism and the money spent cannot be justified then the NSA should be the number one suspect.

hinwazaka:
The fraud unit of the police after discovering any financial impropriety would handover the case to the EFCC for forensic investigations because they are more equipped and are mandated by law to handle all financial crimes. Its the courts role to interpret what justifies as a crime against the security of the state but the role of the DSS to identify it.

This is from the website of the DSS
The operations of the State Security Service may arise out of tasking directed personally by the President, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces; the National Defense and Security. Council; the National Security Adviser; the Intelligence Community Committee (ICC) or the Joint Intelligence Board (JIB) subject to ratification by the President, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed .Forces where considered necessary or desirable.

For the-purpose of facilitating the discharge of its functions under this Instrument, personnel of the State Security Service are hereby conferred with the powers of a Superior Police Officer in respect of searches and arrests.

The DSS under the law have far reaching powers. Everything the OP accused them of doing is under their jurisdiction.

hinwazaka:
sorry for the typo error
Investigation "of" financial crimes is solely the duty of the EFCC and the ICPC. Please enlighten me on the knowledgeable aspect known to you

Dude enlighten yourself
https://dss.gov.ng/index.php/aboutus/statutory-roles
That's the DSS's website. For the benefit of those who can't access it,



The State Security Service is obligated by law to perform the following:

a. Prevention, detection and Investigation of:

i. Threat of espionage
ii. Threat of subversion
iii. Ehreat of sabotage
iv. Economic crimes of national security dimension
v. Terrorist activities
vi. Separatist agitations and inter-group conflicts
vii. Threats to law and order

b. Provision of protective security for designated principal government functionaries, sensitive installations and visiting foreign dignitaries;

c. vetting of:

i. prospective appointees to public offices:

ii. vital and sensitive corporate organizations before their incorporation in Nigeria, and continuous covert monitoring of their activities to ensure that they ate in line with national security interest: and

iii. Applicants for Nigerian International passports and Naturalization/Nigerian citizenship.

iv. provision of timely advice to Government on all •matters of national security interest; and

v. such other functions as may from time to time be • assigned by the President, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces.

The operations of the State Security Service may arise out of tasking directed personally by the President, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces; the National Defense and Security. Council; the National Security Adviser; the Intelligence Community Committee (ICC) or the Joint Intelligence Board (JIB) subject to ratification by the President, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed .Forces where considered necessary or desirable.

For the-purpose of facilitating the discharge of its functions under this Instrument, personnel of the State Security Service are hereby conferred with the powers of a Superior Police Officer in respect of searches and arrests.

The State Security Service is empowered to:

a) Maintain a watchlist action and travel control at the nation's land borders, sea ports and airports for the purpose of monitoring the movements of persons considered as risks to the security of the nation;

b) Impound and keep in its custody. the passports or any other property of persons or organizations under investigation if considered appropriate by the Director-General. Returns of all such Seizures shall be rendered to the National Security Adviser, while such passports shall be returned to the Owners as soon as the investigation is concluded.

RESPONSIBILITY

The State Security Service shall be charged with responsibility for:

a) The prevention and detection within Nigeria of any crime against the internal security of Nigeria:

b) The protection and preservation of all non-military classified matters concerning the internal security of Nigeria: and

c) Such other responsibilities affecting internal security within Nigeria as the National Assembly or the President: as the case may be: may deem necessary

zicoraads:
You are the one who is making it too easy.

1. Isn't it ironic that what the DSS claimed to have went in for suddenly changed? Why didn't they tell the whole world the 'National Security' issues that necessitated the search? Was the search about bullet proof cars or national security issues as was claimed? The bullet proof cars was the most insane cover up ever, and as usual, the gullible ones fell for it hook, line and sinker. I am still waiting for the DSS to provide evidence of the national security issues that warranted storming Dasuki's residence, until then, it was a clear case of witch hunt. Ownership of bullet proof cars does not equate to threatening national security. Even kids of the super rich drive those cars in Abuja.

You do know you need a special permit to use a bullet proof car in Nigeria?

hinwazaka:
Investigation if financial crimes is solely the responsibility if the EFCC and ICPC. Discovery of foreign currencies does not translate to sponsoring of terrorism activities. There are so many people in Nigeria who can and are directly or indirectly hampering state security, not just Dasuki alone. Security is a complex subject so therefore the DSS should not singularize it
Like I said the failure of the DSS came in its inability to identify the Boko Haram "after" it had become a terrorist organization, not before. In fact it was the over indulgence and overzealous antics of the police that began the menace. Its late founder was wrongly arrested, read up in it

No, the EFCC is not the only body charged with investigating financial crimes. Even the police has a fraud unit. By law, the DSS is empowered to investigate any crime that can compromise the internal security of the country.

hinwazaka:
Did you just say every crime including financial crimes can compromise national security. So what then was EFCC and also ICPC created for.
The emergence of Boko Haram was primarily the fault of the DSS and defence ministry who failed to notice their transformation from a religious pressure group into a terrorist organization. Prior to their upgrade they were not the concern of the DSS, but rather were within the jurisdiction of the police.
The proper thing that should have been done in the Dasuki affair would have been to handover any materials that show evidence of financial impropriety to the EFCC, and act only on those that constitute a threat to national security. From the look of things it appears they have bungled the case and so have resulted to cheap blackmail and character assassination.

Boko haram is funded somehow and that is a financial crime. Should that be left to the EFCC?
Dasuki was the NSA, if there is one person who can compromise the internal security of the country its him. Security is a complex subject and the margins are thin.
Like you said, the DSS ignored boko haram and the country is paying the price. Don't you think its time they start being pro active?

Mr Bacanista you should really spend your time getting an education as your ignorance is mind boggling.

Every crime (yes even common stealing) can compromise the internal security of the country. Boko haram did not start out as a terrorist organisation but may if the DSS had been proactive then, they won't have metamorphosed into what they are now.

So if the DSS feels anybody action is a threat to national security, its their job to act. You don't have to like they don't give a fu.k


Free education for you and your fellow ignoramus
There are several factors that can compromise the the national security of a country
1. Socio-Political Stability
2. Territorial Integrity
3. Economic Solidarity and Strength
4. Religious intolerance
5. Cultural Cohesiveness


Everyone of those "crimes" you listed falls under on of this categories.

Holyman3:
Yea, I am aware the north has three zones, and so is the south too.
I also know that the population of the south is higher.
One would expect a fair sharing formula here.
So, out of 12 appointments, the north are directors in 10 of them.
And you think this is fair in any way?
It's not really about the appointments, it is also about who does what.

Stop spreading rumors. This is a redployment, meaning everybody on that list is already a staff of Nimasa. All the new DG did was change their "portfolio"

Nairamaniac

Your write up looks nice and it has some elements of truth in it, but like Barcanista's threads, it filled with half truths and ignorance.

Power is a complex, capital intensive and things just don't work at the wave of a finger.
The only thing Buhari has contributed to the power sector, is he hasn't revoked the sale yet. Also you might attribute his leadership as a reason why but that is debatable.

kodded:
the gas is like the fuel needed to power on the dam and the force of water in the dam is what is generating power

Bros small small
Gas is used in stations with Gas turbines (most power stations in the south of Nigeria are gas fired) while water is used in hydro power stations.

As for the answer to the OP's question, improving infrastructure and more investments are the reason. If you want to "praise" somebody, then praise the Federal government of Nigeria. Its not a GEJ or a PMB thing but that of sustained policy of the Federal Government.


*****Note before the PDP and APC agents eat me up,
1) OBJ paid for the new power plants but forgot about the gas pipelines
2) GEJ completed the power stations and built the gas pipelines (GAS master plan)
3) So far Buhari hasn't cancelled GEJ's road map so for now we can assume he will continue with it.

Erm someone stole a car with an ATM card inside and was able to read out/ guess the pin in 3 tries? Unless the pin was 1234, 0000 or 1111 then this story is bullshit.