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Image123:
*distinguishing features you say?
i've NEVER seen this (LAUGHTER) in Nigeria, not even in recent times or as a distinguishing feature in foreign supposedly WOF meetings.
Is there no WOF movement in Nigeria?
Is Oyedepo, Kumuyi, Oyakhilome, Adeboye etc WOF?
Name callers anybody?

Image123:
So i re-read and it seems tman does not know what he is saying. The word "THESE" is plural.
That means it refers to more than one. That means you are not talking or specific on laughter.
To further cement this, he said " a distinguishing feature of the meetings of many well known WoF preachers".
Hopefully, you know the meaning of 'distinguishing feature'. The meetingS of MANY WELL KNOWN preacherS.
Yet no well known preacher in Nigeria mentioned or deemed fit by you. You claim to have one private one in Ibadan anyway.
Can we safely conclude that those preachers i named are not WOF? To think you fellows have being itching to name names.
Don' t disappoint ohhh. Also, kindly be clear on who these wannabes are.
Is it Adeboye, or Oyedepo, or Kumuyi, or Oyakhilome, or who? Try to be as specific as you've been fighting to be.

Image123:
Revelation 2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

The obsession with F7, a thing very rarely seen shows again that nothing much is to be gained from here. Next.

Image123:
lol, in all of God's grace, i probably made sense of the passage by His Holy Spirit long time ago. You're one funny bunch.

Still hoping to read the relevance of this thread to the everyday christian here in Nigeria.
All the reference to fossils and almost dead men or largely unknown are AT BEST beating about the bush with a capital A on aimless.

Image123:
Gnoni, i've seen your posts to me (goes for drumb and Nora too) as regards Dr Lake. i'm sorry i could only skim through them saving me the temptation to waste time and resources rebutting them. Don't worry drumb, i'll still read the Nora pdf, already downloaded it sef, i guess that is what Nora pasted abi?
It's not my style to discuss people in absentia, though when i really wanted you guys to relate your WOF talks to contemporary men around us, you all strangely shied away, preferring to discuss relics and largely unknown people to the audience.
On Lake, i told someone already, i've heard him myself and believe him above what the critics have to say. One thing you'll need to learn is that even the best men have 'formidable' critics and further links against them. From Jesus to Spurgeon to Kumuyi to Wigglesworth. Take this link for instance against Paul, i would not even advice you to read it, the whole world lies in wickedness. https://www.nairaland.com/1874144/real-apostle-paul

Image123:
Perhaps, we may hastily conclude too that your mouth was shut all the while you didn't post here as drumb? The thread lost impetus since like forever. Also, hanging all the perceived ills of Christianity on WOF don't make it WOF. For one, i saw no hope whatsoever on the thread when you and co seriously shied away from any point blanks preferring rather to discuss the dead and largely unknown.

^^^
Ghen-ghen delivered at 2:03am October 26
- I dont know why you put the wrong time up there, the time was 2:02am and not yet 2:59am October 26.

"Please point out one or two places i so said. i'm alive and here oh" by Image123

Is that not you in BOLD?

Image123:
i just noticed this, unfortunately not many were taken in as you predicted.
You accused me as always saying none of these fakeries and detestable acts happen locally.
Please point out one or two places i so said. i'm alive and here oh.

Your wish is my command siree. Soon come. OK

Bidam:
The devil also quotes the bible.
Ask Jesus when he was tempted in the wilderness.
I know a counterfeits masquerading as "angel of light" when i see them.
Good morn. Mr. 'Serpent sleeping with eve heretic'.

You've remembered your ancestry and have been itching to spew that out. Right?
What happened? Had you outgrown your old skin?
Peele. Aggression comes with skin shedding.
It didn't take you that long to grovel from down the dust you are in
You seem to know so much about the devil. I wonder why, like as if I don't already know
I wouldn't stoop down to your level, not even to help you up from the dirt you are in
Go and feed on other dust. I am God's property, don't mess with me

Image123:
There you go again. So you're into shaming not gloating? Shhh, never mind. We're distracting the thread i guess.

Can see you learned from the best. Also good to see you noticed distracting the thread

Bidam:
Lol, is this all the bile you could muster?
I thought you could do better than that. I wonder who displays more "works of the flesh" here.

Yes ooo Bidam, the Lord is my strength.
"Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit," says the LORD Almighty.

Bidam:
Lol, what i always see in your posts are offense and bitterness as a result of carnal reasoning and a lack of spiritual perception.
If that is your version of Christianity i want no part of it.

I know what you saw, which is why I said then and am again still saying, hi, back to you, lol
I want no part of the pharisaical in you either
Matthew 21:44-45

Image123:
You don't have to be verbose, saying one thing as eight.
Two, learn to be more accurate in your reports.
i believe you're referring to https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/5 plus and minus two passages.
What we were against is condemnation and gloating which Jesus Himself is against.
We're not against speaking or corrections. i also had to give you guys a sense of direction and purpose when you all were missing it, beating about the bush.

It becomes necessary for the point to sink.
You believe wrong, it is pre, it is that and is post that
Who is seen gloating, other than the one gloating about owning $16,000 dog, buying Mercedes, Lexus and convertible for his kids
Misleading people with staged and fake leg lengthening acts misrepresented as healing. Is that worth mollycoddling or condemning?
Naming and shaming is not condemnation but serves as a deterrent or used to discourage others thinking of straying into those kinds of activities
You can't have your cake and eat.

Bottom line is this thread is not being gradually turned into an anti-WoF thread at all, on the contrary, it is the readerships (e.g. nora544 and Lobeez) volunteering materials, which led to people providing more evidences to support their unsolicited or freely offered materials, to prove that, the materials put forward are all, in fact true and already had been highlighted or previously brought to public attention.

When skeletons in WoF's cupboard are brought out, it is dishonest to be quiet about them or ignore them.
- WoFists shouldn't be shy explaining the videos, alternatively refute them, deny them or admit it was a momentary lapse of reason
- Come clean about them, if not, then, with anticipation, we move on for the subsequent chapters promised

Bidam:
This guy and his bile sha...

^^^
hi, to you too, of course you have a thick-skin.

Some are deliberating forgetting the hiatus "Oga at the Top's" censure on the old WoF thread and his fatwa that everyone should abandon the old WoF thread for it to have a premature death.

In loyalty to the MIA "Oga patapata" and adhering to his original fatwa, they then ostracized themselves from the revamped WoF thread with the wishful thinking the thread will have an untimely death.

For the record, the revamped WoF thread from the onset was considered a marathon project, and was it was never in a hurry to complete, besides, it was becoming hard for some readership to keep up pace with it, hence the slow down, the intermittent updates, short bursts etc for readership to catch up

As for this thread, everyone took a back seat on this thread, allowing OP a free rein, and content with looking and laughing, until when the first video (i.e. the Holy Ghost laughter and slain in the Spirit) was pasted by nora544 because she was perplexed and unable to understand if this was or wasn't "Baba" - Is it "Baba", the doyen of WoF?
then the second one (i.e. the $16,000) was pasted by Lobeez (i.e. an ex-WoFer, who discovered WoF to be less good than how was led to believe) after nora544 as a FYI.

This thread therefore is not being gradually turned into an anti-WoF thread at all, on the contrary, it is your readerships (e.g. nora544 and Lobeez) volunteering materials, which led to people providing more evidence to support their unsolicited or freely offered materials, to prove that, the materials put forward are all, in fact true and already had been highlighted or previously brought to public attention.

When skeletons in WoF's cupboard are brought out, it is dishonest to be quiet about them or ignore them.
- explain them, refute it, deny it or admit it

If there is any wish at all, it is not for this thread to die but for self, self itself, to die.

Just so, it is known, there is joy before the angels of God over one person, who returns to God, repents from WoF doctrine, from the wicked, deceitful and fraudulent acts perpetrated by WoF influenced officers, rank and file

vooks:
BabaGnoni,
This is so spot on.
The tactic by the way is not a reserve of WOFers but is rampant among cults.
Jehovah's Witnesses have a thorough manual on the same. And it gets bad. Even crimes are supposed to be addressed by elders. One only needs to look at the Catholic Church and their perpetual sex scandals usually involving minors.

Understand that whereas now the 'private rebuke by equals' is confined to doctrine and may be conduct, it is equally extended to major crimes. I have observed TB Joshua hooligans cursing those seeking to have TB held accountable for criminal negligence. When rumors of Oyaks started, there was vehement denial of the same. Trust me it had nothing to do with faith-speak, hope for the best, but face saving. Am not privy to the man's private life but I can hazard that this teaching had something to do with it; nobody saw nor heard evil till it was too big to be hid.
Remember even spouses are usually too immature to rebuke the MoG.

This is pathetic self-preservation mechanism that has caused the name of Jesus to be blasphemed.

vooks, that exactly is the focus of the point. It is trying to get the message out there and gain some public attention with it.

True about the Jehovah's Witnesses but majority locally have been subliminally indoctrinated by WoF, some too were directly indoctrinated hence no surprises they are hardcore WoFists, another lot have been influenced by WoF only via literature such as books, magazine etc (i.e. their only access to WoF teachings are the books, this set rarely have watched the WoF preachers live on TV or DVD so have not witnessed the excesses, absurdities and wicked acts these WoF preachers perform. They also are not privvy to scandalous lifestyles of the WoFists)

Some even don't know they're practising WoF influenced doctrines, and they aren't remotely or directly affiliated with the WoF clique or its organisation.

Idahosa, TB, Oyaks, Oyedep etcetera and the one or two nairaland's inhouse self confessed WoFers have all directly or indirectly been influenced with and/by one, two or three WoF doctrines or the other, if not all.

Yeah, that is right, the famous words, that there is a diffference between a preacher and a MoG.
So in effect spouses are usually too immature to rebuke the MoG. I get ya.

^^^
Yes ooo. Of course now, it is real.
- Was sent out to his partners
This is old news nau, has been in public domain long time.
like shdemidemi said, we are just looku and laffing

feedthenation:
I saw the video link from 2008 and I'm not surprised with the level of deception going on within the pentecostal churches.

It was about the ordination of Apostle Fredrick K.C. Price. What is being done in the video, is it biblical?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnwtxWLa5oo#t=61

Obviously nothing wrong in Fredrick K. Price getting ordained an Apostle nau, nor anything bad indulging in all that RCC lingo and paraphernalia
Leroy Thompson (i.e. Money Cometh To Me. Now! fame) too is called or addressed an Apostle.

Yeah, they are following in "Baba's" footsteps nau, remember "Baba" was an Apostle, the first one in his WoF clique,

but we will continue doing what we are doing. This will take away the opportunity of those people who want a chance to be falsely regarded as apostles.

¹³For such people are false apostles,
deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
¹⁴And no wonder! For Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
¹⁵So it is no great thing if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness.
Their destiny will be according to their works.
- 2 Corinthians 11:13 Holman Christian Standard Bible

Lobeez:
No be small thing o!

It is a small thing ooo, because when we were tackling these things, we were told off because some disapproved of publicly "naming and shaming" sacred cows

OK, we relented, and with some degree of censorship became less severe or intense (i.e. by not being 100% in name mentioning)
but then the disapproval shifted and turned to, it is about dead people, it is about acts involving unknown names, the grotesque or bizarre laughs is unheard of locally, the odd and ludicrous fake healing acts don't happen locally etcetera

Business as usual, WoFs on nairaland (i.e. its officers plus its rank and file) would keep quiet, they would:
1.) turn a blind eye to this and other similar wrong things
2.) look the other way to deliberately ignore something as bad as this that is happening
3.) rather this is covered up and strong on preventing people from telling others what they know about these odd, ludicrous and fake healing acts
4.) ignore behaviours or activities that are wrong, and pretend that what others have noticed is not happening
5.) would do nothing or wouldn't say anything, to stop it or at least warn others about it
6.) ignore evidences or avoid unpleasant facts about it when presented to them
7.) pretend nothing unusual is happening and also pretend all is hunky-dory
8.) fabulate to divert attention away from the exposé, in doing this, trying to get people forget about the exposé and hopefully have it fizzled out.

Goshen360:
If these are the kinds of so called "miracles" going on in christianity, then we're in trouble from the hands of these wolves in the midst of the sheep.

Staged leg lengthening healing was usually done by complicit ministries to fraudulently have healing credibility badges and make the public believe they have an authentic healing ministry
- the jury is still out, undecided, whether the leg lengthening healing "Baba" did, was staged and fake or it was a genuine leg lengthening healing.

Lobeez:
Hey guys, I'm sorry if this will be considered as trolling but something caught my attention on channels TV this morning while watching David Ibiyomies Hour of Salvation.
During the intro I saw a short clip of what looked like him performing the 'Lengthening the short Leg' miracle.
I quickly went to youtube to see if there was a video of him doing that and voilà! I saw this:

Never knew the leg growing scam from Kenneth Hagin, A A Allen and others is still practiced today even in Naija Wow!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlj5bFBiVD0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NZcW28JrC0

EXCERPT
Does miracles still happen today? Does healing still happen today?
Of course, they both happen, they happen every seconds of the time, the only concern or reservation is that for every genuine miracle or healing, there are ten to the dozen fakes, counterfeits or staged versions for each.

Staged leg lengthening healing is not a doctrine as such but was a phenomenon until a few years back
Leg lengthening healing otherwise known as "growing legs" was common as far back in the mid 70s
It basically is lengthening of shortened legs

In the past, the mid 70s to be precise, a few WoF heavy weights were doing and performing leg lengthening healing...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVOBZefESIA
Rev Kenneth E Hagin Teaching Seminar
December 8th 1974 Lengthening of legs

https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/12#25433864
EXCERPT

We know Ibiyeomie, we've noticed him on the radar and so know what he's been up to
David Ibiyeomie is Mike Murdock's lapdog
He obtained all his "anointing" from Mike Murdock after unashamedly sucking-up to him.

It grieves the heart, especially when Image123 has the cheek to always say none of these fakeries and detestable acts happen locally

To be honest, I don't know how all these self confessed & so-called WoFs on NL get to peacefully sleep at night, knowing all these extremely wicked things carried out here. Cruel acts committed whilst faking healing, staging healing or pretending to heal

This is bad, not good at all, a lot are going to be taken in by this now. SMH

Image123:
I don't give a damn, lol.

It was a rhetorical question
and besides that, wasn't expecting you to rise to the occasion anyway, lol.

Image123:
convenient testimony.

^^^
If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride
Fact is, it sure caused a hullabaloo, adjusting or straightening ties and fidgeting

What is your take on what "Baba" meant when effectively announcing prophesy is fulfilled and declaring at the 2.13 minutes that:
"... this is the first time we've HAD the full manisfestation of that anointing..."

WinsomeX:
Lol.

Outside that, the mediator himself will rather have us discuss everything but that video - the unpleasant needle.

Bad news, it causes an allergic reaction.

Image123:
Where's the so called uneasiness you claimed it caused?

Hacker's Tsunami - hackers hacked the server and deleted the uneasiness data.
but intrigued by what "Baba" meant by announcing prophesy is fulfilled and effectively declaring at the 2.13 minutes that:
"... this is the first time we've HAD the full manisfestation of that anointing..."

pickabeau1:
Can i get the link to this thread

nannymcphee:
https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/

WinsomeX:
You can't o. It went with Seun Tsunami. But another one has been made that is much better coordinated: see

www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents

pickabeau1:
Thanks...I actually had been following the thread but not so much
Will take my time

EXCERPT
Please note that of course, there are loads of others, that had equally taught, received, allowed or taken part in this activity known as the "HOLY GHOST LAUGHTER along with slain in the spirit" doctrine (e.g. Oral Roberts, Paul Crouch of TBN, Kenneth Copeland etc just to name a few)
the thread at this juncture is singling Hagin out with this doctrine because of the following:

1) First as a result of his prominent Father of WoF position.
2) Second, from the word go, this doctrine like every other doctrine in WoF, had started with Hagin (i.e. he had been in the forefront of the "HOLY GHOST LAUGHTER along with slain in the spirit" doctrine) along with new-WoF-kid-on-the-block Howard Rodney-Brown who earlier had got into the action (i.e. as like they mostly do with every other WoF doctrine) brought the doctrine up another notch or level up to the point of ludicrous
(e.g. as like was done with name-it... claim it, financial posterity etc doctrines)
3) Lastly, he had prophesied that there will be waves of God's glory never witnessed before sweeping across the country and world at large

As regards #3, simple research on Hagin or if one had been following Hagin, one would have noticed that he had previously "prophesied" (i.e. this prophecy he made, is captured on video) about a new wave of anointing that will sweep and move across the country and the world at large.

This "Holy Ghost laughter and slain in the spirit" thing is what Hagin declared to be the first filling demonstration of the new spiritual anointing he said God had promised him.

Hagin usually starts with quoting scriptures also along the line, in other incidents, he usually gets his music director to sing the "laughing song" repeatedly over and over, to get attendees worked up for the frenzy (i.e. this can be seen done in other videos)

The lyrics in the songs are for example: "Laughing, laughing, laughing is so much fun..." etc. He also says, when the spirit moves, just jump in, as in, laugh along (i.e. fake the laugh, until to make or start to laugh)

You see, Hagin, been an Apostle that he claims he was, had prophesied (i.e. this is captured on video) that God promised Him that a new wave of special anointing will sweep across the country and beyond.
EXCERPT

HOLY GHOST LAUGHTER along with slain in the spirit:
https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/7#24937905

Hear "Baba" announcing prophesy is fulfilled and effectively declaring at the 2.13 minutes that:
"... this is the first time we've HAD the full manisfestation of that anointing..."

WinsomeX:
I am still pleading with you to take it easy with the vulgar languages because they destabilize one spirit and that's what causes long vacations from Nairaland. Theological discussions are not for boys who resort to cheap words to defend their position rather well reasoned arguments.

And let's not forget what brought us this far, I mean let's not be distracted from the first point made:
the video that was posted by nora544 is very relevant to this thread.

It might actually be the needle that always breaks the camel's back each time though.
But shouldn't the camel go and find out what his back is made up of, since it takes only a needle to break it?

You know it very well...
WoFists don't want own up to that video, starring "Baba", Copeland, Leroy Thompson and others
- by the way, Leroy Thompson, who refused to show up at "Baba's" called-up meeting, could be seen 5 minutes or so into the video tapping/touching "Baba" for "anointing"

The video always leaves a bad taste in the mouth of prominent members of WoF on NL.

The video never fails, as it always increases the anxiety and nervousness of these self appointed WoF officers.
- WoF rank and file on NL, on the other hand just keeps quiet about the video

Whenever the video rears it's ugly head, it turns into a needle that breaks the camel's back

It caused uneasiness in the original WoF thread.

It is an embarrassing video, WoFists wish could disappear, so to deny it existed and then turn round saying the event never really happened.

Those "thobad gan" boys took prosperity gospel to another level, racked it up a few more notches and started living the dream for "Baba"
They raced the block and turned the corner, leaving "Baba" behind
Jim Bakker's book then hit home and got at "Baba", leaving him grumpy and sulking...
Ah-ah, in a short time, all of them acquired jets, ALL of them (i.e. Copeland, Jesse, Leroy, Benny, Creflo, Jerry etc) fiam, easily, just like that LOL
as per maga don pay.

Meeting ko, meeting ni, abeggy, "Baba" park jor and park well well
- "Who will want one old man close to the grave to come pour sand for them garri" - © Candour
Na oil I dey carry! Sand sand man no come spoil my own!!
hence the Midas Touch given wide berth

Candour:
P/S: Does anyone think our Mega churches actually lack funds? i watched the video of the mog owning a $16,000 dog.
Does that guy have any moral justification to request donations into his 'ministry'?
I know plenty of them even in this country who indulge in worse waste of scarce funds.
Do you in all good conscience believe such prodigals should be entrusted with the contributions of any hardworking child of God?
This is just an aside for us to think about

$16,000 dog to PROTECT his wife, he said, SMH
You can take a man out of the ghetto,
but on some occasions, you can't take the ghetto-mentality out of the man

nora544:
Sorry when I see this video this schould be a pastor. Kenneth E Hagin St Louis 1997 - Holy Ghost - Laughter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL8VCbxWs3k

^^^
That was featured on the WoF thread
https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/7#24937905

pickabeau1:
Wow.. the Dr Leroy video... wow
Wish it was unedited though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEgS2uDMEF4
pickabeau1, this one is for you bro.
Enjoy watching Leroy Thompson and Creflo Dollar or throw up
- Now you know why he couldn't muster strength to turn up at Hagin's called meeting

shdemidemi:
What! What!! What!!!

Eleyi gidi gan! Our naija false teachers have not become this bold.
They only insinuate this sort of rubbish, dem no get the liver to go this far yet.

This is child's play and he was just warming up.
You want to watch the stunt he pulled on the pulpit with Creflo Dollar joining him, to then know that this "eleyi gidi gan" is small compared to that repulsive other "Money Cometh to Me. Now!" stunt they performed on the "stage"

Lobeez:
Had to share this piece I came across years back from the king of wealth transfer himself [size=16pt]Dr Leroy Thompson[/size]
This guy is way off the hook with prosperity pimping.
Was in a CE church in Lagos sometime ago and the pastor demonstrated the "MONEY COMETH" ritual which [size=16pt]Leroy Thompson[/size] invented

Happy Viewing

h t t ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb2q_BzNHl4

nora544:
I never saw such a preaching in my country, that has nothing to do with a real christian, that [size=16pt]is a comedy club[/size] not a church, but this pastors is good how he take the money out of his brainwashed folloers.

I feel that nigerian pastors at the same level.

Hagin went for #2 and #3, and the following are some of the prominent and well known WoFists or WoF teachers that attended the 1999 Tulsa meeting called by Hagin:

Kenneth Copeland (i.e. the heir to Hagin’s WoF movement empire)
Creflo Dollar (i.e. Kenneth Copeland's protégé)
Jerry Savelle (i.e. Kenneth Copeland's protégé)
Jesse Duplantis
[size=16pt]Leroy Thompson (Absent)[/size]
Mac Hammond
Steve Parson
Charles Capps etc

Although Leroy Thompson of the "Money Cometh To Me, Now" pulpit stunt fame starring Creflo Dollar alongside him, was invited to the meeting, he, [size=24pt]Leroy Thompson declined and refused to show up[/size].

According to Steve Parson, Mac Hammond reported a "comedy of errors" story to the group in the Tulsa meeting attendance, that he, Mac, had previously called Leroy Thompson to find out, why he, Leroy Thompson, was refusing to attend the Tulsa meeting organised by Hagin “God told me not to come,” was Leroy Thompson's reply.
“That’s funny,” Mac Hammond said he answered back, and adding “God told me to call you and tell you to come. So one of us is missing it.”

You see, Hagin was trying to control the frankenstein of a WoF movement he created before it escapes control and destroys him, Hagin, its creator and architect, "sugbon epa o boro mo" but it was too little, too late, too late as the horse had bolted

https://www.nairaland.com/1957135/midas-touch-balanced-approach-biblical#27286084

^^^
@nora544,
You probably now have a posting ban apart from having your post hidden up there
- what was the contents of the post

@vooks
Yeah, I know about him in Preachers of LA, I just was wondering whether anyone else knew he was related to Grace Jones

@ pickabeau1
You're to grin and bear it, not to have some questions

shdemidemi:
It is a DANGEROUS thing to have an idea and decide to go to the scriptures(in this case 'the mildas touch') for sole purpose of getting that idea endorsed – Bishop Noel Jones

https://s27.postimg.org/60lwk0cr7/grace_jones.jpg
Just off-topic and kind of trivial but did you know he is related to Grace Jones
- Grace Jones of the "pull up to my bumper baby" fame and James Bond "A View to a Kill" film
- 1981 The Island Def Jam Music Group
- He's her brother
- Their dad was a pastor/bishop

Gombs:
You guys always have doubts even where there is no reason to. Keep looking for motive

You don't know "mor-mor"...
Enjoy your 15 mins of fame with it
and don't worrry, you'll soon find out

Candour:
In fact, see one part on page 172.
I wonder if Hagin copied this from shdemidemi or vice versa. See the portion in bold

"The Old Testament was all the Bible there was for centuries. It was the Bible Jesus quoted from in His ministry. The Old Testament is valuable to me because it teaches me about God, the early history of the world, and how God dealt with His chosen people, the Jews. It contains the Law and the Prophets, the Psalms and Proverbs. I appreciate the Old Testament and benefit from it, but it was not written to me"

I wonder how many times shdemidemi has been crucified for saying the part in bold

This is where "monkey dey work, baboon dey chop" comes into play Bro...
but we all good and why we all " dey looku and dey laffu-baba70"
Am outta ere...