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Beaf:
Yes, we are.

Beaf:
Rather than throw accusations that others are arguing blindly, it would help if you instead, learn to think critically.
If you have a son you wish to take over the running of your family and business after you have done your part; do you send him to your neighbours house for [b]leadership training making him believe you aren't up to the task, or do you keep him under your wing at home?[/b]
Leadership training is something that must be done at home. . . No two ways!

@topic
It is quite noticable that a lot of people have not been able to differentiate between "Leadership" training and everyday education. Well, they are two very different things. Having exchange students or students on work experience is very different from sending students on leadership training. The word "leadership" packs a very powerful meaning, I don't think it needs to be explained further.

See how people think?  The crap don't even make any freeking sense, it's really a painful read. This is indeed a sad byproduct of the lousiest form of education. I hope your state of village is not counting on you as their future leader of tomorrow.

Good move,

Jencejyde:
Na wah oh! Please let me ask one question to all who beleive this is a bad idea. What kind of leadership training would you want your children to learn in Nigeria presently. Truth hurts oh, but when i look back over 10 years and in that period, an apartheid stricken country has risen up to host the Rugby world cup, Fifa world cup and right now as we speak they are planning to host the Olympics,  IMHO, I think our kids, staff or whoever can learn a thing or two about leadership from them.

Again, if we say Soyinka is here, Chinua Achebe is here Patrick Utomi and co are all here, and they should should be among the ones that these kids should learn leadership training from, Fine! No problem! But after that, should they remain unexposed to know what obtains in other countries. (local champions philosophy)

By far as we speak now,  South Africa is way ahead of us and that is because they are doing the right things and we are not, Truth be said. And more lower countries if we are not careful will catch up and overtake us. As i write this, it hurts but someone posted a qoute on nairaland with facts that Iran spent 4Billion$ on a nuclear project that is working and Nigeria has spent over 20billon$ on just the power sector which is non- existent,  Tell me, what is there to learn from our leadership as we stand presently.

Is it our education that is good or what? or is it Govt that wastes financial resources on frivolous things.

Some peeps are attacking baba the poster, true he may not be right with some comments but  then again he made some priceless points, as Nigerians should we condem someone who has given an opportunity of a life time to kids of public schools and not pros,rogues and what have you. For all i care we may say S.Africa is this, is that but they continue to lead the way internationally in Africa wether we like it or not. Let Nigeria start acting right and stop talking too much.

Here is a governor that is acting, yes he should be criticized but if we can deduce benefits from his actions, then its worth applauding.

Sometimes it's the only language they understand. Just imagine the retarded statement that the government should spend money on street cleaning instead of public school kids.

And Kobojunkie up there , prob' the most ignorant of them all talking about the state is broke and can't develop Lagos. The obvious insinuation is of course that the state shouldn't be spending money on these kids. What's the best form of development if not child and human development? These are backward and dark minded people.

Like I said, I have zero respect for them and their backward and  ignorant opinions, they are not different from the illiterates we have ruling the country.

Olalimits:
Why dem no come carry me or other students go SA
They just select their people SA, mschewww, i hate this kinda attitude & selfish stuffs.

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The 42 kids are members of the children parliament and the 42-member Parliament represents each of the State's constituencies.

The question now is, are you the best student in your constituency and are you a member of the children parliament? That's even if you are a Lagosian of course,

[quote author=omo~fat link=topic=490857.msg6517038#msg6517038 date=1281011112]I see nothing wrong in sending these kids to SA for the training. Positive international experience is absolutely a good thing and needs to be encouraged.

To those asking if this is at the state's expense or the kid's private expense? - It is probably the state paying for ALL of it and there is nothing wrong with that too. I've been to a number of international seminars fully paid for by public funds and I would like to think it has added to my overall development as a human being.

Spending public funds on public school kids (probably from poor and underprivileged homes but also talented and with tremendous potential) is never never never a bad thing. This year a bunch goes to SA, the following year another group goes to Egypt, another year maybe Kenya. It's great bonding and team building experience for the kids. In addition to learning about other foreign cultures.

Leadership skills are deeply lacking these days and  if we can help our kids get ahead in life, then by all means. There is a reason top global firms these days all sing about leadership. Spend 30 minutes in the hallowed halls of Goldman Sachs and all you will hear about is leadership, leadership, leadership. Looking for young kids 18, 19 years old who they call mould into future leaders.

I once heard that some states in the SS area used to send bright citizens on full scholarships to university abroad. It's all part of the same thing. Those are good measures. Those those moaning about the cost, I remind you of the old saying "if you think education is expensive, then try ignorance". There are a lot of Iranians, Pakistanis, Slovenians, etc etc all attending top schools in england and the US on public funds. They understand something we don't. It's never a waste to be enlightened.

20-30 years down the line, one or two of these kids becomes very in private practice - lawyers, bankers, doctors, whatever - They understand they've been fortunate and blessed and decide to sponsor 3, 4, 5 poor kids on some similar learning experience or they donate to huge research initiatives in Nigeria as a way of "giving back". Who knows what can happen. Please let's stop being so myopic!

For the record, I am neither lagosian, neither do I work for lagos state.[/quote]Unfortunately, some folks on NL reflects the sad effects of miseducation hence their ignorance and retarded utterances,

agitator:
How many of the polithevies have not been out of this God forsaken country. Is this the advance way of thinking? I pity for nigerians as 95% have this mentality.

Abeg save the pity for yourself and your village. I know a lot of you are lowly thinking self defeatists and have no believe in yourselves and your kids, we believe in ours and we'll do anything in our power to support them.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=490857.msg6514821#msg6514821 date=1280984915]lol mo ti n ri die die[/quote]I'm glad you're noticing. I'm always ready to put retards, ignorants and other assorted bad bele folks in their place.

Kobojunkie:
@Ileke-Idi, I am serious. Go to just about every other thread out there on Lagos, check the conversations and you will note the same pattern right off the bat . .  And it ends in much the same way . . . if you cause any one to think too much you are likely to get labeled a COWARD/ILLITERATE/TRIBALIST/DETRACTOR/ENEMY OF PROGRESS/NON LAGOSIAN/NON TAXPAYING RESIDENT/BAD BELLE COMPLAINER etc.

That's what you are, deal with it,

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=490857.msg6514794#msg6514794 date=1280984394]LMAO, lol. You see how he didnt even answer the question? Thinking insults would get him out of it.

Anywaz. . . . .[/quote]What was the question I ignored?

If they selected any of you losers kids to go to SA, make sure to tell them not to waste money on your kids and spend it on trash collection instead,

Kobo, you're too ignorant, weightless and depthless to command attention. Stick to the clownish ROFLMAO routine.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=490857.msg6514764#msg6514764 date=1280983808]Yawn. . . . I dont even need to read this to know it's the same crap you previously posted. So long post shot. . . .[/quote]^^^^Exactly what I thought, all talk but pointless and fact less. You can not even defend your own dumb opinions.  


Like I said, don't forget to spend you kids education on trash and garbage,


Loosers,

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=490857.msg6514686#msg6514686 date=1280981987]LOL you should rip your clothes, makes you seem more retarded like the lunatic you are.

Once again, name one prson on this thread who is against the education of these children? ode!

You've not done what I ask of you. . . . read up and get your question answered.[/quote]At least I read where you asserted that the state should be spending money on street cleaning instead of school kids,

Again, you did not answer my question so I fail to see what you're asking me to read and understand.

Again, the program is about kids undergoing leadership training and gaining international exposure abroad, so how do you get rid of the cost without killing the program. And if you or the other loonies in tis thread are not against the program, what are you against?

Of course like I said earlier, it's always criticize anything and everything without knowing wtf you're criticizing,


What a bunch of clueless losers,

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=490857.msg6514667#msg6514667 date=1280981296]Why should I repeat an answer that has been given to you countless times in the previous pages?

Do yourself a favor and read.[/quote]Keep quiet and stop lying. No you did not and if you did, please show me and I'll apologize. Till then, your opinions remains retarded, mindless and meaningless.

If you have kids, make sure you spend your money on trash and garbage instead of educating your kids with your money,  what a backward dumb a/s/s.

^^^ Your only demented and dumb point is that the government should spend money on street cleaning instead of school kids.

So my question to you is, is it possible to against the cost and not the program itself?  Is cutting the cost not the end of the program?

Answering my question would have sufficed instead of the same mindless rants,

Just listen to these kids, this is so inspiring.

Responding to the address of the Commissioner, Speaker of the Parliament, Hon. Abono Emmanuel, thanked the Lagos State Government for giving them the opportunity of the leadership training abroad. He also thanked the Commissioner for Women Affairs and Poverty Alleviation for her motherly care and interest since their tenure in the parliament.

The Speaker promised, on behalf of the other members that they would be of good behavior and good representatives of both the State and the country. He promised the Commissioner that they would make full use of the opportunity given them to become better children and leaders on their return.

In separate interviews, the students expressed their appreciation of the State Government's efforts to create opportunities for them in all spheres of life saying the opportunity to interact with other children in other countries would make them better and responsible children.

Responding to questions from newsmen, the Speaker of the Parliament, Hon. Emmanuel Abono, expressed pride and joy "for this privilege to go out of the country to see what is happening in other countries and to gain more knowledge in order to make positive change for the better when I come back".

Asked about his expectations from the leadership programme, the Speaker said, "My expectation is to be inspired; my expectation is to come back to become a good Nigerian, a great motivator not only to the children around me but the children of Nigeria in general and the children of Lagos State in particular.

Senate President of the Parliament, Hon. Esther Afolayan, in her response to journalists' questions, said she would utilize all the knowledge acquired at the programme to make things better for the people around her.

I don't even mind donating my own money or any resources at my disposal to help these kids.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=490857.msg6514602#msg6514602 date=1280979116]lol tpiah.


I loooove you, I care for you, I want to marry you.[/quote]The program is what it is, it's about kids undergoing leadership training abroad and gaining international exposure,

So my question to you is, is it possible to be against the cost and not the program itself?  Is cutting the cost not the end of the program? Do you think before you type or you just pull your thoughts out of your a/s/s?

Obviosuly, you don't think much of kids since you think spending money on street cleaning is way better that spending money on our leaders of tomorrow. You folks are not only dark minded and backward, you are hopelessly in any progressive society.

tpiah:
^^cry me a river. . . . . .

Crap like that you really have to sidestep and ignore,

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=490857.msg6514542#msg6514542 date=1280976774]Everything is wrong. .  . . esp when the state could cut the budget and spend it on it's "project" or "cleaning up Lagos".

Why are you blabbering like someone is against this program? We're against it's unnecessary international cost.  What they're learning outside, is abundant enough to be learnt inside Nigeria.

I think Fashola is just trying to compete with the other Govts [which is sometimes a good thing], but he also needs to apply common sense.


tehhehehe lol[/quote]This is not only absurd, it's profoundly and hopelessly ignorant. Only a misguided and foolish leader places kids education beneath anything talk less street cleaning.

What is unnecessary to illeterates is important to educated people, if you don't like it, go file petition instead of wasting your breath on NL.

Now I see where your ridiculous argument is coming from, your education is obviously flawed, it's a total waste  and not up to par. The term knowledge is power mean anything to you?


Please stop subjecting the literate world to such shameful rubbish,

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=490857.msg6514452#msg6514452 date=1280973470][size=13pt]@beaf
I kinda got bored with babapupa's sly way of avoiding some valuable questions, but can you plz tell me if he has finally answered the question about the expenses of these trips?[/size][/quote]What about the expenses? Do you see Lagosians and the state legislatures crying because the state is doing one of the things they are charged to do which is investing and educating the kids? What's wrong with spending funds on public school kids and if they don't spend it on public school kids who and what do you suggest they spend it on?

Like I said, this is an annual program so obviously, the state/legislature must have made some budgetary allowance for it.

Is it not their statuary obligation to educate and create opportunities and look out for public school kids within the state?

So what's your point again.

Mariory:
Over two pages of utter trash. Well done to the kids. Good luck to others next year. These poor kids will hopefully, hopefully never have the misfortune of living under the leadership of some of the people on this thread.

Amen to that a million times,

The fact is, this is nothing new, this is an annual event and the kids are in SA for good reasons, they are public school kids and the state investing in public school kids in this manner is a beautiful thing. The kids are in SA and this time next year, another grounp will be in another country or maybe even SA.

I'm happy for the kids

I'm happy for their parents

I'm happy for the great state of Lagos


The kids are in SA and if any of you sadists and backward villagers don't like it, jump off the nearest cliff.

debosky:
@ Kat

You still haven't addressed the issue - I can understand your frustration, but that is the inescapable burden of being a Lagos governor. Due to the importance of Lagos in the scheme of things in Nigeria, any happenings there will always be subject to great scrutiny.

To bring more people onside as it were, an attempt to give a rational justification for the trip in question would be preferable than this 'us vs them' mentality or a mentality that views any criticism as an attack from the enemy.

Success breeds attention and further scrutiny - that cannot be avoided.

I don't know how long you've been on NL. Obviously, you don't know these clowns, they are not reasonable and it's absolutely pointless to reason with them. Their job is to criticize anything and everything Lagos state good or bad.

Let me give you an assignment, post the most positive thing about Lagos state tomorrow and I bet you  the same clowns will complain and argue their warped opinions,

I don't respect them and their silly and pointless opinions. We all know the difference between genuine concerns and tribal nonsense.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=490857.msg6513341#msg6513341 date=1280959066]Th source you provided does not show anybody complaining about this program. . . . and who is complaining on THIS current thread?

It's a GREAT idea. . . . but why waste money to learn about what you can in your own country? What "Positivity" does S.A or any other African country Govt have that can be taught to these children?

Honestly question to YOU: What govt policy does S.A have that can help Nigeria's Govt?
The purpose of this program is for the Nigerian Youths to learn about politics, to learn FROM current politicians so that they can be better educated about the policies of Governance.


ANYWAZ. . . . You've yet to answer KoboJ's question. I'll like the answer to this myself.[/quote]The point here is the fact that it doesn't matter where, people will complain. I'm not sure if this a reading and compression problem, they didn't send them  to SA to learn about SA. Have you asked yourself why other countries send their military folks to Nigeria for military training? Is it your opinion that they send them to Nigeria to learn about Nigeria and not about military training?


I don't get some of you I swear,

Kobojunkie:
If the tables were turned and this was an Ibo State Governor sending the kids out or involved in this, this same person will DEFINITELY complain oooo . . yet he is quick to accuse of  complaining.

I bet he would be offering up the same argument @beaf is right now too . .  lol

ROFLMAO!

Don't you have to at least first show me any Ibo state or any other governor with similar programs for kids including opening the governor's, and commissioners offices to kids? How many governors are letting kids take over their seat for one day and participate in council and executive meetings?

Do I even care what some other state is doing or not doing? Aneg keep quit sometimes,

tensor777:
Well I have to say you have a point there. But you as a government official should know that the critics ain't going anywhere, anytime soon. To be criticised is part and parcel of being in power.

Sure, people have every right to criticize, same way people have every right to defend their positions.

Criticizing is one thing, being irrational and criticizing for all the stupid, tribal and dumbest reasons in the world is another.


This was done at home in Nigeria and they did the same thing.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=486383.msg6458085#msg6458085


This has noting to do with the kids or genuine concern for Lagos state. It's mostly tribal and political,

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=490857.msg6513242#msg6513242 date=1280958204]So S.A is now an epitome of "positivity" for Nigeria?

Apartheid-filled S.A? Crime-Filled S.A? Retard-Bath-Water-Cures-Aids-Mentality S.A? Abegi. . . .

Why dont they stop wasting Lagos money, just sit their azz in Nigeria, travel across NIgeria and try to understand how to stop their theivingg politicians?

If you ask me. . . . Nigeria is the best place to learn all they need to learn.[/quote]It doesn't matter where they send them or what the state does, people go still complain,


This is leadership training in Nigeria by the state and the Governor himself and people still complained and criticize, some of these people are just sadists,

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=486383.msg6458085#msg6458085

tensor777:
Now that is a clever but underhand way of  trying to get the better of your opponent. No the issue is the trip to South Africa  not the leadership training which is all well and good.

The fact is, it doesn't matter were they send the kids, some people are wired to complain and criticize everything and they'll complain regardless. There's a lot of sociopaths on NL, they don't see any good in themselves and other people.

Beaf:
There are hundreds of new and different cultures for them to be exposed to in Nigeria.

They get exposed to the same different cultures every time they walk trough their school gates and obviously, the 42 kids represent every corner of Nigeria. Find a better argument,

tensor777:
You are missing one thing though. These individuals are acting in a strictly private capacity. As a free country they have a right to get their kids educated wheresoever they choose.
In this case we are talking about using public funds for what is basically a jamboree

Educating public school kids with public funds is a jamboree? Abeg try make sense for a change,

Beaf:
What makes you think I posted for your benefit? Bloody Lastma official.
You don't even know the ethnicities in your own state, talkless of knowing if the kids know themselves. You're just here to lick arse.

No need to drag this thread down to your usual useless level of absurdities, I'm not going down that road with you,

Beaf:
Outside World? It is wisdom to know yourself first.

How many of those kids know about leather tanning in Naraguta? How many have been to the highest point in Nigeria (Shere hills)? How many know where the Oba of Lagos palace is, talkless of visiting? How many know about the brass works in Bida? How many have seen the walls around Kano or the moat around Benin City? How many of those kids have visited the area where the amazing Igbo-Ukwu artworks were dug up?

You don't produce leaders by creating empty heads with no sense of self worth. It is pretty basic that any leadership training of Nigerian kids MUST be done in Nigeria.

And you think they don't know themselves because they are  being  exposed to the outside world? Do you even read the crazy stuff you type before hitting reply?

And how do you know they haven't been to some of the places you mention and what's this tourism BS got to do with anything?


The rest of your post is nothing bit apples and oranges with crude and backward reasoning so I'll gladly ignore,