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@focused

I like the stunning rebuttals given to you by Davidylan. The point is even if I explain from now till eternity, you will deliberately want to manipulate and lie for your islamic allah.

Your quran (satanic verses ) is not from God because when your muhammad died in Medina, there was no Quran that was compiled.

Can you please supply me where he provided te rebuttal?

Thanks

@stimulus

Please stop reycling the plagiarized and mendacious articles of people like Ahmed Deedat who have no clue as to what Greek is! There are various terms in Greek for "God" - and if you've been hiding behind such plagiarized comments of Deedat, you're only helping to celebrate the fact that you have never sat down to check out his unfortunate ideas.

It seems you cant defend this your doctrine of trinity. Was the NT written in Greek or no and if we have the greek, what is the greek word for 'God' in that verse?

@imhotep


@olabowale

1) That Jesus is God:
John 1:1 -> "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was [b]God."[/[/b]quote]

Can you supply me the Greek word for 'God' in the verse up?

Philippians 2:5–8 -> "Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross!"

Save yourself that brother. Supply me where the OT prophets preached Trinity and where said same. The verse supplied is given by someone that never knew Jesus and Jesus never gave him persmission to write anything about him.

I asked Pilgrim a question 'did Jesus really die on the cross and please do you have your proof and those that witnessed the crucifixion?

Colossians 2:9: "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form"

Do you have the saying of Jesus or early prophets on Trinity?

2) That the Holy Spirit is God:

Acts 5:3-4 -> Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God."

Where did it say that Holy spirit is God?

If Jesus is God, Holy spirit is God, why is sin against Jesus has forgiveness but that of holy spirit has no forgiveness.

Why is Jesus not aware of the time the world will come to an end but only God in heaven knows?

Trinity is not God's name in the Scriptures. It refers to his mode of 'existence'. YHWH is His name.

Really!!Can you break that down for me please?

Thanks

@davidylan


I bumped on this while looking for the thread I asked Pilgrim question on the miraculous sign of Jonah, can you please help me locate that thread?

That would only be true if it satisfies two conditions:
1. that Christ at any point did indicate that He was a light only for as long as He remained physically on earth as a man.

Did Jesus not make the above statement?

Matthew 28: 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

What do you understand by 'all nations' and you should be aware that we have 'all the nations' in some versions.

Does 'all the nations' mean all the world? Proof please

@focused

Christianity will continue to spread even to that Meccan and Medina. All the people there will receive christ into their lives (Amen).

Before you confuse yourself further, was Jesus a christian and was he given a gospel or four gospels?

Are the gospellers really eye witnesses?

@imhotep

You reject the account of witnesseS (who lived with Christ and spoke with Him) written in the gospels, new testament, etc. Fine.

Do you have any proof that they really witness Jesus' ministry and who did the witnessing?

Note; My coming post will be on the authorship of the four Gospels

@davidylan


I wonder when you will be truthful at least to yourself.

here was your question:


Quote from: babs787 on Today at 05:11:29 PM
You claimed that preaching to the world was after his death and you asked for the contradiction therein abi, did he made the statement before his resurrection or after?

Why did he tell them not to go to the gentiles during his time in one verse and told them to preach to the nations in another verse?


my answer which u forever failed to see

@ blabs, We have already established that the call to the world was made AFTER Christ's death and resurrection.
you already shot yourself in the foot earlier. The death and resurrection was key . . . prior to His death God was just a God of the jews . . . after the sacrifice, the shedding of His own blood to redeem mankind He became available to all and sundry.

I noticed that you left my question but to be writing irrelevant story. This is my question again:

Why did he tell them not to go to the gentiles during his time in one verse and told them to preach to the nations in another verse?

When you provide your answer, then we will go into the real meaning of 'all the nations'

@davidylan

I didnt see anything of such there, you can assist by re-posting it here for me

Thanks

@Davidylan

If anyone needs to cry, it should be you. You be ashamed of yourself for using different Ids, yet you couldnt stand the truth.

How many times have I exposed your fraud?

Will be back for you after Nigeria-Ghana Match

@focused

You are always talking and asking question about the trinity and the God head. They have explained these to you but you deliberately want to twist things around.

Can I have the explanation or better still you go this link for exposure:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-103159.0.html


Also:

"THE TRINITY OF GOD IS DEFINED BY THE CHURCH AS THE BELIEF THAT IN GOD ARE THREE PERSONS WHO SUBSIST IN ONE NATURE. THAT BELIEF AS SO DEFINED WAS REACHED ONLY IN THE 4th AND 5th CENTURIES AD AND HENCE IS NOT EXPLICITLY AND FORMALLY A BIBLICAL BELIEF.


Another:

This polytheistic (believing in more than one god) Trinitarianism was intertwined with Greek religion and philosophy and slowly worked its way into Christian thought and creeds some 300 years after Jesus. The idea of "God the Son" is Babylonian paganism and mythology that was grafted into Christianity. Tertullian, a lawyer and presbyter of the third century Church in Carthage, was the first to use the word "Trinity" when he put forth the theory that the Son and the Spirit participate in the being of God, but all are of one being of substance with the Father.


Lastly:

Three centuries after Jesus, the corrupt emperor Constantine forced the minority opinion of the trinity upon the council of Nicea. The Christian church went downward from there; in fact some of the creeds and councils actually contradict each other. The council of Nicea 325 said that "Jesus Christ is God," the council of Constantinople 381 said that "the Holy Spirit is God," the council of Ephesus 431 said that "human beings are totally depraved," the council of Chalcedon 451 said that "Jesus Christ is both man and God."

@Davidylan

is there any need to? One has already been shown up to be an example of shameless plagiarism.
The others are also clear examples of plagiarism only i can't be bothered to go find the originals. I only pointed out the one i did because it was oh so obvious! I have had a copy of that poem in my mailbox for years!

You have time to find the first part but doesnt have to search for the other part.

Mind you, its just a poem and there shouldnt be any mischief making here.

@Davidylan



But you didnt supply me the original of the other parts which goes thus:

Islam is a way of life, try it.

Islam is a gift, accept it.

Islam is a journey, complete it.

Islam is a struggle, fight for it.

Islam is a goal, achieve it.

Islam is an opportunity, take it.

Islam is not for sinners, overcome it.

Islam is not a game, don't play with it.

Islam is not a mystery, behold it.

Islam is not for cowards, face it.

Islam is not for the dead, live it.

Islam is a promise, fulfill it.

Islam is a duty, perform it.

Islam is a treasure (the Prayer), pray it.

Islam is a beautiful way of life, see it.

Islam has a message for you, hear it.

Islam is love , love it.



Remember My Brothers And Sisters That We Have So Much To Be Thankful For


No Matter What They Say, ISLAM Is The World's Fastest Growing Religion

Maa Salam

@davidylan

you mischievous fellow, i already did.

You have been the mischievous guy. Do you remember when I asked you 'who wrote the last chapter of deuteronomy and you said that it was penned down by his subordinates while one of your sisters said it was penned down by Moses. Here we go again, you will always receive knock from me

You said that you have answered my question below:

You claimed that preaching to the world was after his death and you asked for the contradiction therein abi, did he made the statement before his resurrection or after?

Why did he tell them not to go to the gentiles during his time in one verse and told them to preach to the nations in another verse?

Can you supply me where you did that?

Salam all


A friend sent this to me and I felt that it would be beneficial to all:



The Most Selfish One-Letter Word
"I"
Avoid It
(Surah Al Kahf 18:34)


The Most Satisfying Two-Letter Word
"WE"
Use It
Surah Al An'am 6:71-72


The Most Poisonous Three-Letter Word
"EGO"
Kill It
Surah Al Qasas 28:78


The Most Used Four-Letter Word
"LOVE"
Value It
(Surah Al Rum 30:21)


The Most Pleasing Five Letter Word
"SMILE"
Keep It
(Surah Al Najm 53:43)

The Fastest Spreading Six-Letter Word
"RUMOUR"
Ignore It
(Surah Al Hujurat 49:12)


The Hardest Working Seven Letter Word
"SUCCESS"
Achieve It
(Surah Al Nur 24:37-38)


The Most Enviable Eight-Letter Word
"JEALOUSY"
Distance It
(Surah Yusuf 12:8-9)


The Most Powerful Nine-Letter Word
"KNOWLEDGE"
Acquire It
(of Allah & the Holy Qu'ran) Surah Ya Sin 36:2 Surah Yusuf 12:2


The Most Essential Ten-Letter Word
"CONFIDENCE"
Trust It
(Trust in Allah's Guidance)
Surah Yunus 10: 9
Surah Al Tawbah 9:51


Ya Allah
Today,
I stopped to buy some lemon.
The fellow who sold it had such charm.
I talked with him, he seemed so glad.
If I were late, it'd do no harm.
And as I left, he said to me,
"I thank you, you've been so kind.
It's nice to talk with folks like you.
You see," he said, "I'm blind."
Ya Allah, forgive me when I whine.
I have 2 eyes, the world is mine.

Later while walking down the street,
I saw a child with eyes of blue.
He stood and watched the others play.
He did not know what to do.
I stopped a moment and then I said,
"Why don't you join the others, dear?"
He looked ahead without a word.
And then I knew, he couldn't hear.
Ya Allah, forgive me when I whine.
I have 2 ears, the world is mine.

With feet to take me where I'd go.
With eyes to see the sunset's glow.
With ears to hear what I'd know.
Ya Allah, forgive me when I whine.
I've been blessed indeed, the world is mine.

Islam is a way of life, try it.

Islam is a gift, accept it.

Islam is a journey, complete it.

Islam is a struggle, fight for it.

Islam is a goal, achieve it.

Islam is an opportunity, take it.

Islam is not for sinners, overcome it.

Islam is not a game, don't play with it.

Islam is not a mystery, behold it.

Islam is not for cowards, face it.

Islam is not for the dead, live it.

Islam is a promise, fulfill it.

Islam is a duty, perform it.

Islam is a treasure (the Prayer), pray it.

Islam is a beautiful way of life, see it.

Islam has a message for you, hear it.

Islam is love , love it.



Remember My Brothers And Sisters That We Have So Much To Be Thankful For


No Matter What They Say, ISLAM Is The World's Fastest Growing Religion

Maa Salam

@Davidylan


You saw my last post, try to attend to it

@focused

Islamic religion is a satanic religion manufactured from the pits of hell, of which Muhammad is the satanic messenger. Their Quran is full of contradiction. They try to give legitimacy to their Quran by plagiarising the bible. Quran is not from God and Muhammad is not a comforter. Mecca is the Eastern headquarter of satanic Kingdom.

If you want to know more contact me privately, so that the little Osama bin Laden on Nairaland will not send cyber assassins to kill any innocent Christians on Nairaland

Table your evidence and let us have a matured discussion.

@davidylan

Read your post:

Preaching to the world was after Christ's death. . . what is contradictory about that?

You claimed that preaching to the world was after his death and you asked for the contradiction therein abi, did he made the statement before his resurrection or after?

Why did he tell them not to go to the gentiles during his time in one verse and told them to preach to the nations in another verse?

Thanks

@davidylan

Preaching to the world was after Christ's death. . . what is contradictory about that?

Now grab your bible, read Matthew 28 v 19 where he told the disciples  to  teach all the nations, baptizing  them  in  the  name  of the Father, the Son  and  the  Holy  Ghost?

Note that he made this statement before his alleged crucifixion.

More power to your elbow. May He increases your knowledge

@Babyosis


Havent I answered your allegations?

@Milenna

Point of correction, Babs has bible versions with him and gives you verses from same because it is what you believe in.He was like you for years before his journey to Islam.





@Babyosis

Pasting different versions is not helping you at all but further exposing you.

Luk 6:12 ¶ And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.


Luk 6:13  And when it was day, he called [unto him] his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;

Luk 6:14  Simon, (whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew,


Luk 6:15  Matthew and Thomas, James the [son] of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes,


Luk 6:16  And Judas [the brother] of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.


so honey,Christ had a whole bunch of disciples including women but 12 apostles, sort of like an inner circle.

Now please, Do we have one or more than one Judas among the 12 disciples of Jesus?
When you do, I will give you another list of twelve disciples different from those listed above in the gospel of Luke.

A thread on the authorship of the four gospels will be out soon.

Thanks

@davidylan

I intentionally waited for christian apologists to fumble before responding and they did just that and I even read Babyosis' post going the other way and praising his brother's dishonesty.

Let me attend to your post now:

By God's grace this is no conundrum but a concerted attempt to read a puzzle where there is none.

Okay, let us read through

You quote Luke 24:33 BUT your actual reference is in John 20 (the chapter that mentions thomas' absence when Christ first appeared to the disciples.
John 20 indicates clearly that Christ appeared to the 11 TWICE:

John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Verse 24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

Note that verse 19 talks about the first meeting where Thomas was absent. But verse 26 records that there was yet again another encounter with the disciples in a room where Thomas was present and would have been counted among the 11 disciples.

26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

Obviously Luke 24 records only the second and what was to be the final meeting with His disciples before His ascension.
Please note also that there were more than 12 "disciples". There were many others who were also called "disciples" but were not numbered among the 12. There was a time he sent out 70 "disciples", certainly many of these were with the 11 apostles.

Brother read below:

Luke 24 v 33; and they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem and found the eleven gathered together and them that were with them.

Why trying to cover the fraud that has been exposed? I gave you the verses from the gospel of John and you goofed by giving me that of John.

You claimed that Luke recorded the second meeting. Ok, let us take it like that in order to get to where we are going.

The Luke I quoted above showed that they referred to the 12 disciples of Jesus hence the mentioning of eleven. There was no mention of another '70' disciples and even if we are to assume another 70 disciples, it just did not tally up with that figure.

Now, let us be straight forward in our post:

1. Who rose up at the early hour?

2. Who are the eleven disciples mentioned therein.

Note that the 70 you are trying to include has no bearing therein. I even have another pictorial bible having eleven people that are supposed to be his disciples but no traces of the 70 you tried smuggling in.
Your last post even showed that 12 disciples were recognised and are called disciples and if that happens, how come we arrive at eleven rather than smuggling in another 70 disciples.

So help yourself out.

I will start from the second question: the word "then" in no way excludes Peter . . . it merely says that Peter was the first to see Jesus Christ, He later appeared to all the disciples at once.

Brother why do like deceiving yourself, covering truth with falsehood? The verse I gave you is a very straight forward one.

Let us view the verse again:

Also Paul said that after the days, Jesus was seen of Cephas (Simon Peter) then to the twelve.

Paul made it known to us that Jesus first saw Peter and then the twelve, meaning that he first saw Peter and later saw the twelve, so which twelve was he referring to here?



B

ack to your first question: i did mention earlier that there were a lot more than 12 disciples for those who have paid a lot closer attention to the gospels. There were 12 who were more prominent but there were certainly others who were in the background.
Paul mentions that Christ was seen of the 12 apostles before His resurrection . . . remember that Mathias was chosen to replace Judas after the ascension of Jesus Christ and thus became the 12th apostle.

I thought you claimed that the 70 disciples were not numbered among the 12.
Now let me put your brain to test: Can I have the verse where Jesus appointed Mathias to replace Jesus?
Was the appointment made before the verse that says that Jesus appeared to Peter and then the eleven?

Read again:

Also Paul said that after the days, Jesus was seen of Cephas (Simon Peter) then to the twelve.

If mathias was included, how come they are still 12 when Peter was not included and can I have the verse where he appointed him?

Paul definitely counted Mathias among the 12 . . . Mathias clearly was one of the over 500 disciples who also saw Jesus before He ascended up into heaven as it is unlikely that the apostles would have chosen a complete outsider to replace Judas. Clearly Mathias had walked closely with the apostles and had known Jesus Christ personally.

Let us take it one at a time, if Mathias was included, how come they are still 12 when Peter was first seen, then the twelve. Can they be up to 12 with the exclusion of Peter?

In that context Paul's statement in I Cor 15:5 then becomes clear . . . he was already counting Mathias among the 12 disciples who saw Christ.

Read my questions above and that will help in answering your above post.

Hope this helps.

It didnt at all because I read lies in that post.

@davidylan

the only thing wrong there is your perception. Christ FIRST was sent to the jews and through that race the gospel became available to the rest of the whole world. Before His death Christ was God only to the jewish race . . . but after His death and resurrection . . . salvation was shed abroad into the hearts of ALL NATIONS.

I read fraud in your post hence my bringing it out for you to see.
You claimed that before Jesus' death, he was God only to the jewish race, please are you using OT or NT for me and where did you read that because I will serve you contradictory verses where Jesus told them to preach to the world etc

@imhotep

The Christian doctrine of three PERSONS in one God is borne out of the EXPERIENCE of believers. The witnesses of Christ, the Pentecost etc etc.

Who are the witnesses you referred to?

Salam all

Nice posts.

@lordisgood

HE is the I AM that I AM, THE EVELASTING ROCK OF AGES, THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE AUTHOR and FINISHER OF OUR SOULS, all you need to do is to seek our LORD Jesus CHRIST first and he will reveal HIMSELF to you, and you will be glad to know HIM. for there is no salvation in any other than the name of OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST and the moment you confess HIM as your LORD and personal saviour you will be free.

Did he tell you to take him as your personal lord and savior?
Can I have the verses where he said you should take him for that and where he also said that one would perish for not taking him as personal lord and savior?

Thanks

@imhotep

You should read my last post and let me know your response to my questions

@Imhotep

The killers were unbelievers, staunch unbelievers.

God's great business is drawing a lot of good out of evil. The death of Christ is the best example of this.

The romans, the jews and the devil all conspired against Jesus. God allowed them to kill Jesus, and used their evil to achieve a good that eventually baffled the Jews and converted some of them, weakened the devil, converted the Romans and provided for the salvation of every man.

Such is the power of God. He does not seek our permission in order to act.

Now if God really wanted them to kill himself (as said by christians), why is Judas called a traitor for what he came to do and why did they all not be granted Paradise for their job weldone?

Did you say God allow himself to be killed by His creation?


@pilgrim.1

My first post is for you.

Thanks

@pilgrim.1

You pretend to look the other way and complain about remarks being uncomplimentary and "Islamphobic" when your own Muslim brethren have incessantly attacked the convictions of Christians endlessly, blasphemed Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit with derogatory remarks in this and other threads, and have cursed like cursing machines in the example of the cursing Muhammad who took his hatred against Jews and Christians to his grave!

Now go to the the first thread/post on religious section, read it and let me know who started it.

@imhotep

The gospels are a historical account of Jesus' life. They were written by eye witnesses who lived and spoke with Jesus.

What eye witness? Did the four gospellers really witnessed Jesus' ministry and did they write the four books (Mathew, Mark, Luke and John)?

Were they under an inspiration?

Did God give Jesus a gospel or four Gospels?

Muhammad never saw Jesus. He never spoke with Jesus. Where did he get his confused fables from

Where did you see the pictures you have been carrying about?

Why should anyone believe what he wrote about Jesus

When you respond to my first question above, we will know if really the bible is worth relying on.

Muhammad should have been more respectful of the prophets that came long before he did.

How did he disrespect them?

Arithmetical conundrum

Luke 24 v 33; and they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem and found the eleven gathered together and them that were with them

1. Which eleven?

2. Did they include themselves in the numbers they find?

Even if they do, the disciples there (of the elected 12 of Jesus) could never be more than 10 altogether because on this visit of Jesus to that upper room, Judas and Thomas were definitely not present.

Also Paul said that after the days, Jesus was seen of Cephas (Simon Peter) then to the twelve.

3. Which twelve?

The word ‘then’ excludes Peter. Even if you add him, you will never get the twelve because the traitor Judas had committed suicide before the alleged resurrection!

Thanks

@pilgrim.1

The fallacy is yours, olabowale. There is no such thing in the Bible as "3 godheads"; nor does the Bible teach the idea of "son of godhead". If you have a genuine discussion, stop fanning dust into your eyes with such desperate moves. Present a clear and intelligent post, and let's see how balanced you truly are!

Do you have any biblical proof for the doctrine of trinity?

You can as well show me verses where OT preached same.

Thanks