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@Telly B


When you first came on board i honestly thought that you would be able to explain the issues based on the way you have been trying to address issues but alas you fumbled.

In the threads created for Quranic contradictions, no muslims went posting any biblical contradictions to answer questions, they rather explained without going to the bible but here you are trying to play smart when you were asked for explanation, you quickly backed it up with quranic verses. It didnt come as a surprise because you went the same way when you were asked to defend your doctrine of the deity of Jesus, you quickly avoided the questions creating another questions when you have no answers.

Common be a man, explain the contradictions in your bible afterall muslims have done same without making reference to the bible in their response. As for the issues listed by you, trust me, the links where you lifted it from has explained same too.

So bros, explain them to me and stop trying to act smart.

@Telly B


It is glaring you and your folks have been crying ever since babs came up with the imcompleteness of the bible.

As for the topic at hand, answers have been supplied but you are the one confusing yourself with your map.

Now to our deluded geographer, where does a muslim in Saudi Arabia faces?

where does a muslim in Nigeria faces?

Where does a muslim in Sudan faces during prayer?


And when you provide answers to the above, you tell me how does a 'qiblah detector' detects where one faces?

Thanks

@Telly B


You have been going in circles, posting lengthy rejoinders yet not making sense. I didnt notice the link probably because of the topic used.

Now brother, can you just do me good, by rebutting the one posted up.

@Telly B

Quote from: babs787 on Today at 09:16:43 AM
You are free to rebut my post up about the incompleteness of your bible.

That question has been put to rest, and soundly too by a few reasoning people on the Forum, especially stimulus. You may not agree with him, and no one forces you to; but he also has soundly highlighted the fact that the missing books of the Qur'an makes it by far an incomplete book.

Can you put the above to rest?

Meanwhile, do you care to please go to the several questions I left for your attention and address them without your usual drama? Thanks.

You have been the one deceiving yourself and ignoring my questions.

Quote from: babs787 on Today at 09:16:43 AM
You brothers caused the reason for my re-posting same.

Because there's hardly anything else you have to plagiarize from your websites, no??

Really, I have lots to post in which you will never be able to refut, have you been able to refute the contradictions and other issues?

@Bbabyosis

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On one hand I'm happy the guy resisted the urge to kill himself but on the other hand I wish he did jump off that cliff.

Imagine the countless individuals that have been killed by him and because of him.
That Gombe Christian teacher would have been alive today.

@Telly B

I'm still wondering how this issue could be rationally resolved. What do we make of the "revelations" of a man who was well known to be under such influences??

You should all be busy wondering how your God could be begging himself in his time of trouble, indicating that he was an Hypocrite despite the fact that he told his disciples never to behave in that way.



"Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ([/b]From the NIV Bible, Matthew 16:39)"

"So he left them and went away [b]once more and prayed the third time, saying the same thing. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 26:44)"

"One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 6:12)"

"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be HEARD FOR THEIR MUCH SPEAKING. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 6:5-"


Matthew 26:36-44

36. Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, "Sit here while I go over there and pray."
37. He took Peter and the two sons of Zebedee along with him, and he began to be sorrowful and troubled.
38. Then he said to them, "My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me."
39. Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
40. Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. "Could you men not keep watch with me for one hour?" he asked Peter.
41. "Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak."
42. He went away a second time and prayed, "My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done."
43. When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy.
44. So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, SAYING THE SAME THING.


Jesus said "no vain repetitions" in Prayers. But how many times did Jesus pray over the same thing in such a small period of time? 3 times in Matthew 26:36-44, and endlessly in Luke 6:12. Let us again look at the following verse:


"One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 6:12)"

When Jesus prayed ENDLESSLY all night long in Luke 6:12, did he not repeat his prayers? His main focus was on GOD Almighty saving him from the crucifixion. Jesus' prayers all night long, which obviously were far more than just 3 times, were repetition after repetition after repetition, compromising his very own commands about not doing "vain repetitions."


Very Important Note: Practicing Muslims do ask GOD Almighty in Prayer when their faces are on the ground during the 5-daily prayers. I was taught that this is the best position to ask Allah Almighty in. My point is that what Jesus did during his most desperate times, we Muslims do it every single day! It seems to me that any practicing Muslim glorifies GOD far better than what Jesus in the Bible did and will ever do.

The incident of Jesus bowing to GOD Almighty in worship is often ignored by Trinitarian Christians. I am surprised that Trinitarian Christians don't even have any problem with the seriousness of this incident. Let us look at few points here:


1- When Jesus bowed down to GOD Almighty only during his desperate times and not in any other time, this tells us that Jesus did not worship GOD Almighty properly during his normal times, because he immediately compromised the normal way that he taught his followers:

"But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 6:5-"

2- Jesus did not pray in secret to GOD Almighty. He prayed in a totally different and better way. Jesus contradicted his very own commands.

3- Jesus' incident was simply telling GOD: GOD, I will not sit in my room and pray to you in secret as I commanded my followers. I will do even more to you. I will bow down to you and worship you in the maximum humility, and I pray that you save me from the pain that I am about to go through. This is my extra bonus prayer to you GOD! Please save me!!

Of course this unclassy and hypocritical standard that lacks dignity and respect to GOD Almighty by all means by the Jesus of the man-altered and corrupted bible is not accepted in Islam. You either pray to GOD Almighty consistently or you don't. But to treat GOD Almighty like this is frankly in my opinion blasphemous, because you're attempting to act smart with GOD Almighty and not be a true Servant.


In other words, once you get your thing out of Him, then you won't "degrade yourself" and bow down to Him again?


I will be giving you more as long as you continue with your mischief.


Tit-for Tat

What a christian God?

@Telly B

So, what is happening to the question of Islam's disguised polytheism?

The word 'we' in the Quran

It is a feature of literary style in Arabic that a person may refer to himself by the pronoun nahnu (we) for respect or glorification. He may also use the word ana (I), indicating one person, or the third person huwa (he). All three styles are used in the Qur’an, where Allaah addresses the Arabs in their own tongue. (Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 4/143).

   “Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, sometimes refers to Himself in the singular, by name or by use of a pronoun, and sometimes by use of the plural, as in the phrase (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Verily, We have given you a manifest victory” [al-Fath 48:1], and other similar phrases. But Allaah never refers to Himself by use of the dual, because the plural refers to the respect that He deserves, and may refer to His names and attributes, whereas the dual refers to a specific number (and nothing else), and He is far above that.” (Al-‘Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 75).

   These words, innaa (“Verily We”) and nahnu (“We”), and other forms of the plural, may be used by one person speaking on behalf of a group, or they may be used by one person for purposes of respect or glorification, as is done by some monarchs when they issue statements or decrees in which they say “We have decided…” etc. [This is known in English as “The Royal We” – Translator].

In such cases, only one person is speaking but the plural is used for respect. The One Who is more deserving of respect than any other is Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, so when He says in the Qur’an innaa (“Verily We”) and nahnu (“We”), it is for respect and glorification, not to indicate plurality of numbers. If an aayah of this type is causing confusion, it is essential to refer to the clear, unambiguous aayaat for clarification, and if a Christian, for example, insists on taking ayaat such as “Verily, We: it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e., the Qur’an)” [al-Hijr 15:9 – interpretation of the meaning] as proof of divine plurality, we may refute this claim by quoting such clear and unambiguous aayaat as (interpretation of the meanings): “And your god is One God, there is none who has the right to be worshipped but He, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful” [al-Baqarah 2:163] and “Say: He is Allaah, the One” [al-Ikhlaas 112:1] – and other aayaat which can only be interpreted in one way.

Thus confusion will be dispelled for the one who is seeking the truth. Every time Allaah uses the plural to refer to Himself, it is based on the respect and honour that He deserves, and on the great number of His names and attributes, and on the great number of His troops and angels.” (Reference: Al-‘Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 109). And Allaah knows best.

   Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (www.islam-qa.com)  


When you are through with the reading and probably rebuttal, you supply answers to my questions

I will continue very soon

@Telly B

I was wondering that most of your questions have been recycled one too many times.

You are free to rebut my post up about the incompleteness of your bible. You brothers caused the reason for my re-posting same.

@Telly B

But it would have been interesting to see where you were coming from.

Okay, will you answer my question then?

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@blabs

Always on my tail huh? No worry, no more nightmares for you and co afterall the facts have been establised

Yeye noisycheeks. Babs is not after you ooooooooooooo

hey guy, get your facts straight, jews r different from christians, christians r followers r christ, jews don't believe in christ

You are confusing yourself dude. Did you grab the topic at all? Is the topic not about direction?

Or better still,  explain yourself better and what you meant by the highlighted words in relation to the topic at hand.



@nossycheeks

yeah, you are on the right path to enternal damnation

Mathew 7 v 13-14: Go in through the narrow gate, because the gate to hell is wide and the road that leads to it is easy and there are many who travel it. But the gate to life is narrow and the way that leads to it is hard, and there are few people who find it.


I doubt if you ever understand the above verse and that is the more reason we are  having (****)  people accepting christianity as a religion. Thats the trap being used by satan, a wide gate leading to destruction and many people are following it.

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@blabs
I will provide the translations if and only if you longer own a qur'an.

Just provide same.

But for sure, they are really contradictions, no rebuttals. Al salaam

When you provide the translations, we will know if they are worth rebutting or explaining to you because of your lack of knowledge


Shalom

At least that is humble of you

You are not serious

do you have a problem with english language ?
what is it that's baffling you so, son ?

Daddy, hope you are not annoyed. I have got no problem sir

Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently?
« #169 on: May 02, 2007, 07:42 AM »

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@mustay

Salam. Sorry for the defeat but the humiliation has just started o. We (gunners) will disgrace you on Sunday and Manchester United. will trample on you at F.A final. Why not leave this yeye chelsea and join mukina and I at Arsenal. You have not received any beating, in fact, its just starting.

HABA!

Hope you are not just recovering from the last defeat . I have not been seeing you here after the defeat, see you need to leave your team and join us. Abi I lie brother?

I say I no wan debate again, abi na by force

Nossycheek is lying cool since blabs has proposed a ceasefire.

No more uranium bomb and obunike from the Massob warrior. But if they try touch my tail, chei them go hear whim.

Look at this tolotolo praising herself.

@babyosisi, pilgrim.1, thesilent1, david, olutomiwa et al it has been nice being with you on this forum. I am just taking a break to allow the muslims in the house to recover from their shock.

Muslims can and will never experience any shock as long as religion is concerned. Take or leave it, it is the truth and it must be told. Didnt see that the fact has been established so no going round in circles.

Peace.

@Lumzi

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I just want to say to babs: youve really done your homework. You have silenced the olotes. Its people like you who make me sure that im on the right path. safe.

Salam


May Allah increase our knowledge

Maa Salam

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@ blaba 787,
What is your point here?

We are still waiting for you.

Cant you see that I asked you question.

Can he have an intellectual grasp of what your posts mean to him

Yeye dey worry your head

@babs787:

Thats my name

Your posts would be more interesting to read if you could endeavour to quote, rather than 'paint' others' posts. My eyes usually hurt while trying to read a very long post with a mixture of colours, and so, I usually ignore and go on to other posts. I understand that you cannot insert quotes the usual way due to some technical problems you experience on your PC, so I've decided to help.

Sorry for the stress you face while trying to read my posts. I am putting what you told me into practice. So testing, testing testing.

Hint: Copy and paste the post that you want to quote, into the 'reply' field. Select the part you want to quote and click on the '' button found just above the smileys.

Yep, that's it circled above.

Yes am doing that.

Now for example, if you're quoting the text 'babs787', first of all highlight it, and click on the '' button. Then you'll get something like this:

[ quote ] babs787 [ /quote ] **without the spaces**, which will eventually come out as this when you post:
Quote
babs787

Thank you teacher abi na lectuere sef. Lets see how it will come out.

Incase that doesn't work for you either, you can type it out manually, without the spaces, like I've done above (if you're familiar with HTML, you'll get it easily).

Hope that helps.

Let me send first to see if works.

N.B. This is not in any way intended to ridicule babs. I sincerely apologize if the addressee or any other person feels otherwise.

Rdicule ke, nothing like that oooooooo


Thanks for that bros, I so much like this bros ooooooo. He is very cool and calculated

@pataki


Far from that, the reason for my signing out is that the truth has been established so wasting with you will be of no use. You are still asking of plagiarised materials when you havent defended the ones given.

@wormed up, Bobbyaf, pataki & Babyosis


@wormedup
Son, I dont have any problem with English Language.

@all

Do you want me to continue?

@olutomiwa

It is better to die as a muslim that a pastor,Pope or evangelist


@Gwaine

Please keep counting and storing for future reference

@babyosis


OSANOBUA!!
Mr Pataki where are you?
babs is using Islamic mago mago to woo your pseudo chick Muki
he's even calling her baby!!
You ought to step up your game O


You better caution that your yeye organogram pataki, he is beginning to thread where he is not supposed to. I wonder why the guy is not satisfied with all those christian babes in the likes of you, pilgrim, shahan, nosycheeks etc. He should know that babs has an edge over him so he should stop wasting him.




@pataki

Since when did baby become babs slogan? Is it in the Koran? Never knew you can still loved for what you have upstairs


Neither do I know when it becomes same in the Bible . I am a human being and that is your misconception about babs. Babs is a muslim and will remain one. Are you ok with that?


Dont run away    because I have more in stock for you to last you for the whole summer coming!  


No I don already take cover before you go get your balance. I am going to prepare myself for signing new players. I dont know why this yeye guy belongs to my team. You keep your stock till coming season and I do hope it is not perishable.



. . . . . . . lol Babayosisi, I am not moved at all!    It is actually the reverse system. If you check it out very well, you do see that it is Mukina actually that chases me all around. Let babs787 baby move on, Mukina already knows where her heart lies  

Mukina chase you, for where, you wey no dey clean up if you wee wee. You that has its backbone bent and cannot use like babs do. Common, I am sure babyosis, nosycheeks, pilgrim, shahan bus is not yet full, you can still manage and if its full, you can still  hang at the tailboard and if no chance again go to other fora or you can change to atheist where you will have the opportunity of meeting KAG (my secret admirer) but I doubt it if the likes of Nferyn, Reverend, Horus will allow you do that . As far as Mukina is concerned, nothing for you, she's comjing home and not going outside as you may be thinking.


@Mukina

babs do not mind them .


Sure, I am not even disturbed at all because he doesnt have the qualification to woo you. I stand the better chance and if he wants to, he should try to do as we do (muslims), then we will know if he is up to the standard.

Am worried with regards to Sir Olabowale. Its been long I heard from him. I missed him so much but I have been praying for him and will continue doing that.

Pataki doesnt know that it is better to die as a muslim that to be an unbeliever. See, left for me, I would have sacked Wenger. The reason for that is that I dont think we will collect any league next season because we have no possible replacement for our world class first 11. If any of our first 11 is injured, we have to bank on those toddlers that cant hold the ball very well let alone distribute passes efficiently. I would have sacked Lehman because he caused our inability to collect anything this season.

@all


You will continue showing your ignorance even if one does not want to indulge in debate with you.


@Davidylan

stop being mischievious and answer the question. Does "east" face the same direction for muslims in Nigeria, Finland and Saudi Arabia?


You need to consult your map for that. If you care to know if we all face the same direction, am giving you just one assignment, please find out for me the work of 'Qiblah detector'


Even when they have their heads firmly buried in the sand of political correctness, they do it facing east!

Yes same as above. Go find out what I told you to do and when you are through, you get back at me.


Is the ka'aba the only thing in the eastern direction?

It may not be the only thing but its the direction we all muslims face.





@babyosis


Yes if Muslims east of the equator face east,are they still facing the kaaba?
We need a geography student to break this down.

You need to consult your map and also if all muslims are not facing east, find out the work of a mat called 'Qiblah detector'


Do you guys know that Muslims previously faced Jerusalem before they started facing mecca.

Quran 2 v 142: The fools among the people (pagans, hypocrites, and jews) will say, 'what has turned them (Muslims) from their Qiblah (prayer direction towards Jerusalem) to which they used to face in prayer;. Say, '(O Muhammed), To Allah belong both, east and the west. He guides whom he wills to the Straight part.

v 143: thus we have made you (true muslims- real believers of Islamic Monotheism, true followers of Prophet Muhammed and his sunnah (legal ways), a just (and the best) nation, that you be witness over mankind and the Messenger be a witness over you. And we made the Qiblah (prayer direction towards jerusalem) which you used to face, only to test those who followed the Messenger (Muhammed saw) from those who would turn on their heels (i.e disobey the messenger). Indeed it was great (heavy) except for those whom Allah guided. And Allah would never make your faith (prayers) to be lost (i.e your prayers offered towards Jerusalem). Truly, Allah is full of kindness, the most Merciful towards mankind.

v 144: verily! we have seen the turning of your (Muhammed) face towards the heaven. Surely we shall turn you to a Qiblah (prayer direction) that shall please you, so turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid-Al-Haram (at Mekkah). And wheresoever you people are, turn your faces (in prayer) in that direction. Certainly, the people who were given the Scripture (i.e jews and christians) know well that, that (your turning towards the direction of the Kabah at Makkah in prayers) is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.



When Islam first began, Muslims also prayed in the direction of Jerusalem. However, in 2 AH Muhammad issued the instruction to face the Kab'ah in Mecca in response to a revelation he received: "Turn then thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque:. (Qur'an, Surah 2:144).

It has been provided up, you only need to read for understanding.



@olutomiwa

yes,when his house rent expired in Jerusalem


I laugh a lot whenever I read your posts. You have always shown ignorance in all your posts so will not waste time in explaining things to you.


i was made to understand that kaaba is a "holy" stone{i wonder what made it holy}what is so special about the stone?why did you people cover it with black cloth?and why MUST you face it when praying?also remember to answer other questions posted by davidylan,gwaine,babyosisi and others,we are WAITING.

That is one of the problems with you christians. You just build your church anyhow, facing direction pastors want it to but in Islam, the direction of the Kaaba not only unifies the Muslims, but it also increases the Glorification and Praising of Allah.

Muslims all over the world face the same direction thereby unifying the glorification and praising of Allah.






@pataki


Yet another question please:
Is the Kab'ah the same thing as the Sacred Mosque? What exactly is the sacred mosque, and where is it? East, West, South or North?

You need to consult your map for that too.



@ricadelide

facing the east while doing your thing,,,,,, that's what you call HOLY SH^T!

Bird of a feather.


Question for you all please:

Do the Jews facing the Wailing Wall signifies idol worshipping?
How do the Orthodox Jews worship God?
Please explain the verse below too:

Psalm 138:2: I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word.

Do we say he is worshipping the temple because he faced it during prayer?

Repentance and seeking forgiveness

Allah's Messengger (SAW) said, 'By Allah, I seek the forgiveness of Allah, and repent to Him more than seventy times in a day.

Allah's Messenger said, 'Oh people, repent unto Allah, for I repent one hundred times a day.

Allah's Messenger said, 'I seek the forgiveness of Allah the Mighty other than Whom there is no other God, the Living, the Eternal, and repent unto Him.

Whoever says this will be forgiven by Allah even if he has deserted the army's ranks.

Allah's Messenger (saw) said, 'the closest that the Lord comes to the slave is in the middle of the last portion of the night. So if you are able to be among those who remember Allah in this hour then be among them'

Allah's Messenger said, 'The closest that the slave comes to his Lord is when he is prostrating, so invoke Allah time and again (in Sujud)'

Allah's Messenger said, 'it is a heavy thing for my heart if I do not seek Allah's forgiveness a hundred times a day'

Ibn Athir explains that the Prophet was always vigilant in his rememberance and drawing near to Allah, and if he forgot to do any of what he normally did from time to time, or it slipped his mind, he felt as if he had wronged himself and so would begin to seek the forgiveness of Allah.

Note: The ignorant apologists do say here that the prophet seeks forgiveness for the sin he commits. Ignorant is truly a disease.

@Bobbyaf


Thanks for the response. I dont need any post anyway.

Thanks once again.


I sign out

@mukina

I will baby, am on my way. I am sorry for not being online since, yahoo has been giving me prob and I know the cause, its that yeye wizard Gwaine that affected my system with his viral threat



@pataki





I sign out

I am signing out

@pataki


Why do you think owns it. If you think its Muhammed, so be it and if you think its Allah, so be it. Abi no be so?


Am signing out jare

@pataki


Rebuttal to the post of a whole professor. No I have got nothing to rebut because I dont want' to deride Jesus' .

I even dont need response to the remaining questions. .

I sign out

I sign out