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There is alot I am currently in Nigeria and I am leaving soon back.

I think things have changed a bit but there is more to do

If you read the post you will see that Obj never said anything.

The newspaper is showing off the open fraud that is always sweet to hear.

keypoints:
According to our sources, Chief Obasanjo noted that he had always known that such was the attitude of Nigerians, adding that all the actions he took while in office were well-intended for peace and progress of the country.

Obj was the man that gave the elite a run for their money.

Obj you have done your best leave the rest.

i await any evidence of money that was stolrn by OBJ

@topic
This is a false doctrine
Melchisedec was never God in any any form

He was the perfect Levitical priest without the Lineage of Levi and he was King of righteousness without any lineage to Judah.

Jesus was from the Tribe of Judah but was not from Levite

He had to hold the Scepter (which he did because he was by blood an heir to the Jewish throne ) and wear the priestly robe( he worked for this and still works) .


In Spiritual interpretation King is Less stronger than Prince but at times they could be used interchangeably

Prince is Higher Than King

@Nwando

You remind me of the history of the Church where there was a time true christians were called pagans because they had a very different and solemn way of worship. Well I can tell you Kumuyi is never the standard but from what i know he is one man that has followed God till the last time I checked.

Deeper life is not heaven you can attend deeper life and go to hell fire. The doctrine from deeper life is from the bible the manual of God to his presence. The problem is that the people of the world cannot accept the priestly calling. As christians we are called to be priest(holy) The only we can make our election sure is to be holy within and without.

There are however deeperlifers that are seemingly holy outwardly but inwardly are a sepulchre of dead men. we are supposed to be priest.

please ask Olabowale

what he meant i only quoted him

We should not bother ourselves with a men of God but the doctrine the bible is the only safe standard

Dont be deceived read your bible !

Ok let it be then.

The standard of holiness and righteousness is not a deeperlife thing the fact is that God is using the obedience of the Holy and righteous men and women in deeperlife to counter the forces of hell.

This people should now know that they that know their God will perform exploit. Men and women that are holy in deeper should know that there are not alone. There are so many remnant and they are ready to be slaughtered in the battle of Holiness.

Pure and holy men in deeper strengthen yourselves the more disconnect yourselves the more from the world it is becoming more deceptive. even the pastors of the devil say we are to claim the world.

It depends on which God you are talking of.

If its the house of ballam then women can preach

@olabowale

keep laughing while you are at it answer this who did God "sire" when Eve was made out Adam

Most High God is the Holy Ghost

I have listened to Jew preachers and I used to have a recorded Jewish OT Bible

@olabowale

not if that lamborghini can move by itself wage war be angry with the soon be grief and even make things 

If you want us to have a good discussion we will leave the bible and deal with the alqur, an. but because of your very little Knowledge of know bible that is why I responded.

You seem to claim that the jews were reffering to Angel gabriel as the Holy Ghost?

go back to the question you asked, you tried to deny that jews dont have anything call the holy Ghost. I just showed they had and you are saying jubril is ruakh qodesh?

she is possesed with the spirit of jezebel just compare her to the woman on TBN.

@olabowale

To clear your doubts the religious worship of judiasm had the holy Ghost and he is called ruakh qodesh

Read below



The first occurrence is in Ps 51:11[13], when David prays in penitence to the Lord, “Do not reject me! Do not take your Holy Spirit away from me!”.2 The two other occurrences are in Isa 63:10 and 11, where the Lord refers to the Israelites as those who had grieved his Holy Spirit by rebelling against him even though he had so graciously delivered them in the days of old:

But they rebelled and offended his [H]oly Spirit,
so he turned into an enemy
and fought against them.
His people remembered the ancient times.
Where is the one who brought them up out of the sea,
along with the shepherd of his flock?
Where is the one who placed his [H]oly Spirit among them…

Isaiah 63:14 then refers back to the “[H]oly Spirit” in vv. 10–11 as “the Spirit of the Lord” who had given them rest in the days of old. The latter expression and its interchangeable counterpart “the Spirit of God” (compare, for example, 1 Sam 10:6 with 10:10) occur a total of about 94 times in the Hebrew Bible;3 that is, if one includes instances where “the (my, your, his) Spirit” clearly refers to “the Spirit of the Lord/God” in the context.

It depends on which Church

SATAN CHURCH OR GODS CHURCH?

@sweeten
you must know that in christ there is no feeling because the God we serve is not bothered about it.
The doctrine of feeling is from Satan we dont defend God We reaffirm his word be it a false prophet its proselyte

From thisday today tuesday


http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=108085


There were feelers yesterday that the Presidency may end up opening a can of worms in the National Assembly in the handling of the 2008 budget.
A meeting between President Umaru Musa Yar’Adua and the leadership of the National Assembly earlier scheduled for Sunday night in Abuja, where the budget gridlock was to be ironed out, could not hold.
The meeting has been rescheduled for today at the instance of the Senate President, Senator David Mark, who is also the Chairman of the National Assembly.


Many of the National Assembly leaders who were supposed to attend the Sunday meeting were not in Abuja because the Legislature was on recess.
Both the Senate and the House of Representatives resume plenary session this morning while the crucial meeting between their leadership and Yar’Adua holds this night at the Presidential Villa, Abuja.
The postponement of the Sunday night meeting had come amid reports of another scandal, this time round, with respect to the contentious 2008 budget.
The scandal is said to stem from the alleged padding of the budget by the Appropriation Committees of the Senate and the House of Representatives under the chairmanship of Senator Iyiola Omisore and Hon. Wale Adegoke respectively.


There were reports linking the Committees to the alleged padding of the 2008 budget, which is one of the reasons why Yar’Adua has refused to sign the money bill into law.
THISDAY gathered from sources in the National Assembly and the Presidency that Yar’Adua is aware of the “padding” which the legislators forced on some Ministries, Departments and Agencies (MDAs) without recourse to the original proposals by the Executive as presented to the National Assembly joint session on November 8, 2007.
Five ministers, whose identities were not disclosed, according to sources, reported to Yar’Adua how the Appropriation Committees coerced them into jacking up original estimates proposed for capital expenditure heads in their ministries’ estimates for 2008.


It was learnt that the money, allegedly running into several billions of naira, was meant to be “tracked down” subsequently by the legislators through “oversight” monitoring of the budget performance.
The ministers, it was learnt, were expected to collaborate with the legislators to ensure that the money added to the budget, upon release by the Executive, find its way out to meet their predetermined purposes.
THISDAY gathered yesterday that Yar’Adua had, upon receipt of the reports by the five ministers, directed the Minister of Finance, Dr. Shamsudeen Usman, to issue a memo to all the cabinet ministers on the increases in the estimates proposed for them by the Finance Ministry and the Budget Office in the 2008 budget.


Many of them, it was learnt, could not defend the wide disparities between the amounts proposed for them in the Executive budget and the increases introduced to their advantage by the National Assembly.
A National Assembly source said yesterday that he was aware that a lot of underhand dealings took place which led to the jacking up of the budgets of the Ministries, Departments and Agencies (MDAs).
The source said that there was “bribe-for-budget” like it had happened before in the National Assembly.
It was learnt that Yar’Adua and officials of the Executive arm that would attend today’s meeting with the National Assembly leaders may lay the facts of the malfeasance on the table.
The chairmen of the Appropriation Committees who are expected to be on the team of the National Assembly to the meeting may be asked to defend some of the issues involved in the alleged increments in the monies proposed for the MDAs.

It would be recalled that under the administration of former President Olusegun Obasanjo, there was a similar incident in the 2005 budget which cost Senator Adolphus Wabara his position as Senate President.
Wabara was reportedly involved in a N55-million-bribe-for-budget scandal which the National Assembly had forced the former Education Minister, Professor Fabian Osuji, to part with for his ministry to get a princely appropriation.


Ahead of the crucial meeting this night, Yar’Adua had reportedly been worried that the National Assembly members did not take into account some of his priorities in the formulation of the original budget proposals.
Reports had quoted sources close to the Presidency as saying Yar’Adua was concerned that “the National Assembly did not take into consideration the President’s priorities in line with overall national plan, macroeconomic stability and sector strategies which made him to place emphasis on completing new projects rather than start new ones which could end up being abandoned”.
For instance, some of the areas where there were distortions, according to the sources include new projects that were introduced into the budget without consultations with the Executive.


According to them, “The issue is whether the legislature can unilaterally initiate projects and provide money for such projects in the budget without consultations with the executive given that the design, costing, due process certification, execution and supervision of such projects is vested in the executive.”
The concern of Yar’Adua, as reported, was that “The National Assembly distorted the budget by encouraging Ministries, Department and Agencies to submit to them sundry projects for which they allocated money thus usurping the functions of the executive whose duty it is to initiate budget.”
The Budget Office under the purview of the Executive was said to have queried how the National Assembly was able to determine the costs of the projects inserted, figures which the budget office contended were just guesstimates which have made “nonsense of the budgeting process.”
Another issue which Yar’ Adua reportedly kicked against was the raising of the crude oil price benchmark from $53.86 to $59 per barrel.


Quoting the Budget Office, the reports said: “The raising of the benchmark oil price from $53.83 per barrel to $59 per barrel was agreed with officials of the Ministry of Finance based on the understanding that the extra revenue would be used to reduce the fiscal deficit in the original Executive proposal.
“As it turned out, the National Assembly has devoted much of the extra revenue to increase total expenditure, resulting in an increase in the deficit from N468 billion under the Executive budget proposal to N554 billion.”
The sources, as further reported, said: “The choice of $53.83 per barrel benchmark was based on a macro-economic framework designed to ensure stability in the system, bearing in mind the necessity to keep liquidity at a manageable level, thereby keeping inflation in check and provide an environment for interest rates to start to move downward which the present increases would jeopardise.”
Significantly, Yar’Adua, had also kicked against increase in capital allocations and these, according to sources, included the unilateral increase of the capital votes for several ministries including: Ministry of Transportation (N61 billion, of which N36 billion is for new projects); Agriculture and Water Resources (N20.4 billion); Defence (N17 billion); Interior (N15 billion); FCT (N12.9 billion); Science & Technology (N6.3 billion), etc.
It was learnt that the Budget Office’s contention was that “while some of these projects could probably benefit from increased allocations, the lawmakers didn’t factor in the implementation capacity of the various ministries since they were not consulted which means if the money come into the system, they are likely going to be wasted.”


[b]The National Assembly was also said to have introduced new vote heads in the budget which were not originally in the proposed budget.
Reports had quoted sources close to government to have claimed that the lawmakers on their own inserted new vote heads into the budget such as, Federal Polytechnics (Bali, Ekowe, and Ugbokolo).
They said: “Both Bali and Ekowe were established in 2005 as Federal institutions, but were not provisioned for at that time because they had not taken off. For this reason they were also not budgeted for in the 2008 Executive Budget. Provision was also made for Ugbokolo, a state government owned institution in the federal budget.”
They also added that “several professional Council Registration Boards that never used to be in the Budget (Architecture, Quantity Surveyors, Societies of Engineers, Estate Surveyors, Builders and Town Planners as well as Advertising Practitioners of Nigeria etc) were allocated money,” pointing out that “the total amount budgeted under these new vote heads is N2.1 billion.”
The President was also said to have frowned on the increase in the personnel costs granted to a number of ministries and agencies without making provision for the social costs such as pension and NHIS, which “would have been calculated automatically if it had been based on the Budget Office’s template had there been consultations with the executive.” [/b]

just imagine they would soon include Amala seller association

According to the report, “A few of the cases of personnel cost increases include the Ministries of Agriculture (227.3 million); Interior (520 million); Transportation (N635.8 million); Energy (N526 million); Commerce and Industry (382 million); Culture and Tourism (N116 million) etc.
“The increases were not based on any known shortfall reported by these ministries, and officials of the ministries confirmed that they had no shortfalls. So where will these monies go? Assuming there would be increases, should there not be consultation with the executive on how it would be spent?”
In addition to these was the issue of increase in allocations to overhead costs to ministries that did not solicit for such an increase.


According to the report, “There are some unsolicited increases in the Overhead allocation to some Ministries including Education (by N1.65 billion); SGF (by N2.1 billion); Youth Development (by N377 million); Presidency (by N900 million), etc.”
Yar’ Adua, the reports said, also kicked against some of the contentious mandatory clauses in the budget such as the Clause 7(1) which wants the Accountant-General of the Federation and CBN Governor to furnish National Assembly monthly reports.
According to sources, “This is seen as undue interference with executive functions.”
Other clauses which are seen as undue interferences with executive functions are clause 7(2) which wants the Accounting Officers to present quarterly reports to National Assembly and Clause 7 (3) which wants Accountant-General of the Federation to disclose details of funds releases to National Assembly.
But Chairman of the Senate Committee on Media and Information, Senator Ayogu Eze, said yesterday that Yar’Adua should be concerned with the function of the Executive which, according to him, was to propose the budget and leave the National Assembly to appropriate expenditure in line with constitutional powers vested in it to so do.
He said that the National Assembly had not overstepped its bounds in the handling the 2008 budget, adding that it should not reside in the contemplation of the Executive that the National Assembly is a rubber stamp institution.
Eze, who is also a member of the Appropriation Committee that allegedly padded the budget, spoke yesterday against the backdrop of a document circulated Sunday in Abuja which justified why Yar’ Adua has not signed the 2008 budget.
He stated that it was incorrect to say that the lawmakers injected fictitious projects into the budget.
According to him, “It is the responsibility of the executive to propose the budget and it is the duty of the National Assembly to appropriate funds for the projects.
“Don’t forget that majority of the National Assembly members are members of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) and they have manifesto.
“They know the needs of their people. We are not rubber stamps. We are responsible for the needs of our people and we do critical analysis of the need of the people.”

Tell that to the Marines

Eze said further that “There will be a meeting between the leaders of the National assembly and the President on Tuesday (today) and we hope that the meeting will resolve all issues surrounding the budget.”

Yaradua Never Back down on this Parasitic Elite

The trinity are 3 distinct persons

@OLAADEGBU

First of all the thing you are doing here is good and it should be with men that has been converted or those with a docile heart.

As for me I believe in the TRINITY infact without it I dont know if we would ever as Christian be saved.

Jesus = God the Father= holy Ghost

Mathematical correct

1=1=1 they are Equal

yet

Jesus x God the Father x Holy Ghost = the trinity

1x1x1 = 1 The are one family called the Godhead

They are Love Embodiment.

They are Holy righteous and Humble

They are not bothered by space and time because they made space and time.

@Donnie

Your write up is an offshoot from the problem Mr Chris has with the Day of the Holy Spirit. Pentecost was the day the promise Jesus made to the Disciples came to pass.

Your pastor Chris has a problem with the Symbol. The day is as the Symbol are Spiritual Markings so that we can remember there was a day Jesus said he will send the comforter.

Now the real penticostals were people that believed that they could not do anything without the Holy Ghost. Now? the Churches are a business centre including the one Pastor Chris Pastors.

You are supposed to give your opinion according to scripture. When David slept with Beersheba. The prophet delivered the message to David that he deemed fit yet it was in the Lord.

@fyneguy

As Christian Watchmen we must say what is right in Accordance with God's Word. If You cant not substantiate a claim both contextually and pretextually then we have a problem of false doctrine.

The doctrine of devils is for men to be deceived and go to hell. This doctrine is sometimes looks very harmless that is why God makes his word the standard and not man.

If you read Ezekiel you will understand that he that knows and keeps silent is condenmed. They only thing is that you should not take it personal and be overbearing like Moses did.

If Pastor Kumuyi or any other preacher (Like my man in south Africa) goes to TBN and they are applauded then they are as doomed and backsliden as TBN .

TBN is a demon filled TV station. Any babe that has discernment will know.

Tell me I judge dont you know we are of our father the Highest and Good Judge?

Dont you know we shall Judge the Angels?

We must try the spirits not with sentiments but with scripture.

@PREDI

predi link=topic=66968.msg2099642#msg:
first up- everyone has a right to post- but please post the right things at the right places
2- mr poster, remember why aaron and the other were punished for talking against moses. moses married from the wrong tribe, he was not supposed to marry from- he married an ethopian woman-when God had expressely told em not to marry fromm another tribe. but yet, just because, aaron and mariam talked wrongly and confronted moses, God in his MIGHTY and GR8 wisdom punished em.

the lesson hia being that- run not your mouth of GOD's anointed, if not, u re headin for destruction. only God has their canes and only he can cane em well enough, not u a sheep.
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we post suppo-sed-ly stupid threads to lern wisdom-let the posts postinue

There is always the risk of false interpretion of what the bible says. Sometimes the congregation of false prophets preach and they do not allow you read your bible when they teach(no time)

1) Where before the Nation of Isreal was called out of Egypt did he say you cant marry anyone out of your the tribe of Isreal?

Exodus 4:20
And Moses took his wife and his sons, and set them upon an ass, and he returned to the land of Egypt: and Moses took the rod of God in his hand.

2) Even if you want to use the law. Moses was right to take back his lawful weded wife. The people that kicked against moses were kicking the first institution God created (LET NO MAN PUT ASSUNDER). It did not have anything to do with the Man of God Moses Character or personal walk with God.

Jethro and his household were born again and were ready to be with moses and the nation of isreal because they believed that God was with Isreal. Jethro had good inputs in the Life of Moses.

read below

Exodus 18
1When Jethro, the priest of Midian, Moses' father in law, heard of all that God had done for Moses, and for Israel his people, and that the LORD had brought Israel out of Egypt;

2Then Jethro, Moses' father in law, took Zipporah, Moses' wife, after he had sent her back,

3And her two sons; of which the name of the one was Gershom; for he said, I have been an alien in a strange land:

4And the name of the other was Eliezer; for the God of my father, said he, was mine help, and delivered me from the sword of Pharaoh:

5And Jethro, Moses' father in law, came with his sons and his wife unto Moses into the wilderness, where he encamped at the mount of God:

6And he said unto Moses, I thy father in law Jethro am come unto thee, and thy wife, and her two sons with her.

7And Moses went out to meet his father in law, and did obeisance, and kissed him; and they asked each other of their welfare; and they came into the tent.

8And Moses told his father in law all that the LORD had done unto Pharaoh and to the Egyptians for Israel's sake, and all the travail that had come upon them by the way, and how the LORD delivered them.

9And Jethro rejoiced for all the goodness which the LORD had done to Israel, whom he had delivered out of the hand of the Egyptians.

10And Jethro said, Blessed be the LORD, who hath delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians, and out of the hand of Pharaoh, who hath delivered the people from under the hand of the Egyptians.


Now there was no law against the marriage as you erroneously said above. now read

Numbers 12
1And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

2And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it.

3(Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)

The real sin was that she attacked the family, person and authority of Moses. now read again
2And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it.




Another place perhaps you may try to quote is the Account below

Numbers 16
1Now Korah, the son of Izhar, the son of Kohath, the son of Levi, and Dathan and Abiram, the sons of Eliab, and On, the son of Peleth, sons of Reuben, took men:

2And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:

3And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the LORD is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the LORD?

TBN Is THE NET WORK OF THE FALSE PROPHET. ANYONE THAT GOES THERE IS PERFECTLY DECIEVED OR IS THE DECEIVER

Omniscient is 2 words combined.

Science has to do with facts

Omni has to do with Universal knowledge.

God is All knowing based on facts about us that he sees though they can change at the last minute.

The bible says he searcheth the heart of man.

@Mcren

Right on spot but the view that we are a misguided people should not be re-echoed. We have guides and we will make it. lets us keep talking we will get there.

We are only condemned to be optimistic as we have tried pessimism for years and it almost killed us.

Soludo does not need to seek for power like Yar adua he will it is the will of the father.

1) soludo is a radical thinker he said the banks had to recapitalize it was not easy as anyone one close to him knew then. Some international economist thought he was joking or simply a Joke. Nobody Gave Nigeria a Chance

2) He has experience of taking hard decision that lead to a good end.
3) He is a good example
4) he believes in the Nigerian youths that is why he keeps saying we have to save money not spend money.
5) he has been in the corridoors of power and knows alot of the problems and mistake and besides he is also a governor

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7304028.stm

I have read the above there is nothing there please.

I think this man is just right for the Job after Yar adua

Atleast we know we have 58.3 billion $

Singapore has 120 billion

with the little accounting I know OBJ would have been caught if he stole money please We are not that unintelligent

There is nothing with having a dream.

There is something wrong when it is a nightmare

We must have dreams even in our darkness it gives us hope

Please tell me which government has spent money on transmission and power and give me the statistics.

The cost of Wiring and maintaing the transmission line in Nigeria will be passed unto the consumer. We have parasitic elites that wnat to invest money and get immediate profit like money doublers and consumer will pay so much for electricity.

Government must show that the system works if not the private sector will impose any amount on the consumer.

If government does not have a stake the Wolves will eat the lamb without mercy

Government should focus on transmission line


ELECTRICITY PATHETIC PAST

• 1986-1999: No major overhaul carried out on existing plants
• 1990-1999: No new power stations built
• 1999: Only 19 out of 79 generating units in operation, with actual daily generation averaging 1800MW
• The last transmission line built in 1987

ELECTRICITY SINCE 1999
Major Infrastructural Expansion

• Geregu Plant, Kogi State: completed and commissioned February 2007
• Omotosho Plant, Ondo State: completed and commissioned May 2007
• Papalanto Plant, Ogun State: On going
• Alaoji Plant, Abia State: On going
• Egbema Plant, Imo State: On going
• Omoku Plant, Rivers State: State complted, Federal On going
• Calabar Plant, Cross River State: On going
• Gbarain Plant, Bayelsa State: On going
• Ihovbor Plant, Edo State: On going

MAMBILLA HYDRO PLANT: 2000MW: Contract signed and civil works have begun.


WHAT has CHANGED?
• Energy generation increased from 1,800MW in 1998 to about 2700MW in 2004 (I say this is in adequate)

• Funding increased from about $50m in 1999 to about $380m in 2005

• 19 new power stations under construction to generate 4,500MW of power

• 7,000km of transmission lines nationwide and 22,000 transformers to be installed

• Over 600 project sites nationwide to bring electricity to about 1000 rural communities. The entire project will involve about 20,000 shipments comprising:
• - 200km of gas pipeline
• - 10,000 tons of material for power station equipment
• - 67,500 tons of transmission tower materials
• - 15,000km of distribution conductors
• - 25,000 distribution transformers