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@ The Question

They have the mission to completely wipeout the other religions so they marry your women and make them wives so that they make them Muslims.

In so many countries it is not working because of so many reasons. Even some muslims are marrying single wife because they find it easier to keep the family. The muslim Theology is to Islamize the whole world they have a saying the denotes that Allah is the owner of the Whole world and that the whole world must become muslim for allah. This is using the systems Satan Used in the Garden of eden to deceive adam into committing.

By using the weak part of man he won in the garden of eden and he is using women now. But God is looking for a man after his heart. God is looking for a Woman after his heart to defeat the plan of Lucifer.

We know why this is so because the Antichrisit needs a unified world religion so that he can declare himself the solution to the world.

Imagine if a Jew was a Muslim Mujahedeen and he ruled a Jewish nation?

Brethren the Stage is set for the final battle.

The Unfinished business of the battle in the garden of Eden.

Yisrealite


We dont Worship the Day We Worship The God of the Saboath. We as Christians Worship The Resurrection of Jesus because we are his Blood bought.

We can determine the Nation of Israel because The Levitical tribe is no more and The Judah Tribe is no more. The Only person that has the 2 office is Jesus the God of the Christians. He will rule of Israel when he returns to the earth in Megido.

Jesus is the LORD OF THE SABBATH He rose on the first day and we worship him on that day. This is how we came to the commonwealth of Israel. You cant have a Judaic Religion completely because of so many things missing and the Jews Know this and that is why the still seek the Messiah A man that Kingship and Priesthood.

@gosky

It makes it interesting. Lack is relevant to the individual. but need and want are very different. When you dont have means to cater for your need immediately then you are poor.

When you are so much bogged down about your need then you become Want monger and there is the DANGER!
We need to be wise but not to fall prey to the roaming lion.

A rich man money is his life, religion and thoughts. A man that is godly seeks the Good of people with his money when he is blessed.

There are many people that are rich in Nigeria but there are multitudes in stark poverty but the rich are not concerned about the poor they say "I worked to get the money" "you are poor because you are lazy" or "You dont know the principle of how to make money"

But look at some of them never deserved the money they have now but for the mercy of God. Some became rich through wicked and yet still God showed mercy. Some stole to become rich and they boast. Some inherited the riches from their parents with carrying a stone they became rich yet they have no mercy in their eyes. There is wickedness in the heart of the pastors and preachers The "Gospel of prosperity" is a Wicked one. The people of God are now out giving each other so that they get more from "god" They pour the oil and the put the eggs of the idol worshipers on God and leave out the poor so that they will get more power and money. Is this not the Moloch god they worship?

''They shall Gather not by Me'' saith the Lord Of War.

The scripture is clear of what being rich is all about

Jesus was very clear on what being rich is and was all about.
He knew what poverty is because he lived a poor man life.

Jesus was in need but He is God in man form and had to follow the laid down principles of getting his NEEDS Met.
people tend to think that we as christians should be all about getting and getting.
Matthew 19:23
23Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:24
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

WHAT IS BEING EVIL RICH(RICH) AND HOLY RICH(POOR)


A man that has a business and makes a living of the business is blessed but withholds the money from doing Good and stores it up and his heart is in this Store. Everyday he sees the NEEDS of people and Shuts his eyes. He says in his heart they have hands they should work hard. He goes to church pays his offering and tithes, he pays church dues and church building pledges, in his heart he does this so that he can get more and store more. he has houses that he can't live in he charges the people that live in it higher his heart is money money money. He sees only profit in all things he does. His god is gain. This is the story of a rich fool.

Jeremiah 17:11
As the partridge sitteth on eggs, and hatcheth them not; so he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave them in the midst of his days, and at his end shall be a fool.

Whilst there is a man that has a business and makes a living of it. His business is blessed and he stores little money and pays his workers Well. He sees people with lack and spend his money and time. He looks for the needy and blesses them. He goes to church and pay his due. His money is the publics money. He raises men that do good. (ABRAHAMIC BLESSING)people are happy he is blessed because he is the source of blessing. Through him the people of the earth know what Grace is (UNDESERVED FAVOR). He loses his wealth to undeserving people because his God gave his precious son for him he must give his best to God and to people that wont say thank you. This is an wise man.

I know a man John Wesley He sent missionaries to the world with his money he built churches and schools to people that will not say thank to unworthy sinners. We were in the dark God used Wesley with his money he made. He lived a simple live people of the world will say he died poor. But I say he died a soldier full of grace divine. Wesley died with six pounds in his pocket a cloak he wore about and a silver spoon. He left churches all over the world with schools also hospitals.



Look at you pastor they are in the Gain business "Give to gain" is what they say

2 Cor. 8:9: For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich." This is spiritual riches in Christ not a promise of earthly gain. Why is it spiritual riches? Because Christ actually said the poor in spirit are blessed not cursed. Not because He made them wealthy but because they inherited the kingdom of God. Jesus did not change ones status in life but He certainly changed their hearts attitude. Just take a look at the disciples life after they meet Jesus.


Rom. 2:4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering.” Rom. 9:23 “ that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory.” Eph. 1:7 “In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.” Eph. 3:8 “To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ”

Matt 19:23-25: Then Jesus said to His disciples, "Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven." And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?"

They were not astonished because they were rich and wondered about themselves, Jesus is talking about someone other than them. However in Luke 18:28-30 Peter being convicted of this states, "See, we have left all and followed You." Peter's perception was that they had no riches in money or property since he says they left it all behind. So why do some say they were wealthy?


Paul makes it clear 2 Cor. 6:9-10: "as unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and behold we live; as chastened, and yet not killed; as sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things."

How were they made rich? Col. 1:27 “To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.”
The apostle Paul wrote in 1 Cor. 4:11-12: "To the present hour we both hunger and thirst, and we are poorly clothed, and beaten, and homeless. And we labor, working with our own hands. "

Acts 3:6: Then Peter said, "Silver and gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk." This does not mean they had none on them at the time; they had NO money. These are words out of their own mouths recorded by the Holy Spirit through their hands as Scripture.

Acts 20:33-35: "I have coveted no one's silver or gold or apparel. "Yes, you yourselves know that these hands have provided for my necessities, and for those who were with me. "I have shown you in every way, by laboring like this, that you must support the weak.(This is what jesus wanted the rich man to do) And remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.'" Paul says it was good to work with his hands, he showed by example to help those less fortunate by hard work. There is nothing wrong when a man is rich and decides to follow God fully he sells his belongings and decides to enter the work of God.

I always say this that The work of God is Full time there is nothing like part time. If you have wealth( what turns out money) and you keep storing it up for yourself that is what Jesus was talking against. Dont let your trust be solely of your wealth.


1 Tim 6:3-12: " If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness[b] is a means of gain[/b]. From such withdraw yourself. Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content. But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness. Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses."

Those who want to become rich now suffer a loss in faith, as Jesus said you can’t serve two masters. There’s nothing wrong with having money[b] but there is a lot wrong with money having you[/b]. Good wants people who can have wealth only for him and him alone. How can you tell the difference?

Just listen to the message and find out where they fit it in.look at what they teach, Godliness means more blessing = money.
Kenneth Copeland writes,

"Do you want a hundredfold return on your money? Give and let God multiply it back to you. He urges his supporters, "Invest heavily in God; the returns are staggering, , "Every man who invests in the Gospel has a right to expect the staggering return of one hundredfold." (Laws of Prosperity , pg.67) This may be true but it may not be in your bank account.

This is why Creflo Dollar and Kenneth Copeland can lead the congregation in a affirmation "Money come unto me NOW" three times. (Dec.4, 1999 Voice of victory telecast).Creflo Dollar says “Yo’all better obey the prophet and reap the prophets reward, my prophet is rich and I’m gonna be rich too” “I call in the money, I found me a preacher, this is my first million and to it, do you all hear what I’m saying,…I’m going to have what I say, what I say, what I say, what I say, what I say”(and the people cheered madly).

Peter writes ”They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children”(2 Peter 2:14)
"Poverty is from the devil and that God wants all Christians prosperous." (Benny Hinn, TBN, 11/6/90).
Nowhere does the Bible say this. James was the head of the Jerusalem Church that was the poorest of all churches. As Jews converted they lost their family friend's and job. the people in the church gave the best seats to those who were rich hoping for some response in help. This is why he writes in James 5:1-5:

"Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries that are coming upon you! Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up treasure in the last days. Indeed the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out; and the cries of the reapers have reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth. You have lived on the earth in pleasure and luxury; you have fattened your hearts as in a day of slaughter. "

This is a sobering rebuke for those who will be accountable for using their money to promote themselves and neglect the needs of the people.Yes, there will be rich church people in the last days that will be judged for their covetedness.

Phil. 3:7-1:1" But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead." Paul a Pharisee was quite rich yet he gave it up for a life to follow Christ.

James 2:5 "Listen, my beloved brethren: Has God not chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?" The very opposite is being said, "has not God chosen the rich because they have faith for their wants!"
One of the qualifications for a bishop an Elder is in 1 Tim.3
1 Tim 3:2-3: "A bishop then must be blameless, …temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous."

We see that the Church is now the place where people say they go to "feel good" and even some churches say please if your 'SITUATION' does not get better then you can leave this Church go to another!!!!! The Church is not for Hope or Knowledge. THE CHURCH IS THE ARMY OF THE CALLED OUT RIGHTEOUS MEN THAT ARE READY TO DIE FOR HIM WHETHER THEY GET REWARD OR NOT.

Well @ Glitta


I have no mindset of a High Judge. But because we are Christians does not mean we have lost our sense of Judgment or discernment. We must Try all Spirits that is our reasonable service.

Because you call yourself a Pastor gives you no right to mislead people.

Give me that old time religion 2ce
Give me that old time religion is good enough for me
it was good for paul and silas 2ce
it was good for paul and silas is good enough for me

Better than your diluted watered down Afrojazzed highlifed rapped and discotheque Gospel that has no semblance of what Jesus preached.

@ KDK

18What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

Christ is not preached by this man called Benny Hinn. Listen to his message.

@post

Christ is the Only Holy Man that was ever to walk the face of the earth because of this if /when we believe in him as our GOD then we by his living earth we have his blood in us will not sin.

So if you see a "Christian" INSULTING YOU KNOW THE BLOOD OF JESUS IS NOT IN HIM, EVEN THOUGH IF HE CARRIES A BIG CROSS ON HIS NECK.

@poster

Yes
Well he does answer when the Muslim is Praying to the Christian Triune God for repentance. With Jesus as the God Saviour and mediator, The Holy Ghost convicting the Sinner that He has lost his way with the Father.

@ post

Any Paix or Brephos can know this that Benny Hinn is a False Prophet.

@Olowotee

I am not the least moved or infuriated at all. I am humbled by your care to retract. I would rather say I am sorry if i over stretched the issue. The matter is WAS JESUS RICH?

I am not in anyway bothered when I am attacked on this thread. You can read my post. If I have attacked anyone on this site personally please forgive me.

@Pilgrim1

Thank You Madam I will shut My Gutter mouth.

THE END.

@Cgift

Please if you find that I offend your believe and you dont want to continue Just type END.

Yes God is No Racist, because you have a problem with racism It does not mean you position your God with your level. Angels don't have a problem with these.

The Tribe of Judah( because Israel was named in Judah) or Israel which of them was a women.

Nope I don't mean women are evil but you must be named after a man not a Woman. Even your Mother's Surname is a man's name. Imagine a man named after a woman with no Surname. You know the evil that has happened before that can occur.

I say whether You "Judge" or not You shall be Judged.

In 2 Cor.8:9 Paul states of Jesus " being rich , yet for your sakes he became poor, so that through his poverty you might become rich" (this is spiritual riches). In the only place where it might give a hint of wealth it says he became poor. Did Jesus become poor during his lifetime so we can become rich financially later? This is not a trick question and should be obvious to all familiar with the scriptures. This "being rich" is speaking of his preexistence in his position of glory?

He became poor in becoming a servant in position and also in his social life. Zech. 9:9 " Behold, your King is coming to you; he is just and having salvation, lowly and riding on a donkey, a colt, the foal of a donkey." Even his fulfilling prophecy as a king was in humility of his position. He came as a servant, not a king, but today we have those who want to have crowns recognized for their positions now. Quite the opposite in the Scripture, he who is exalted will be humbled. We are to follow Jesus' pattern, yet some actually think if Jesus came today he’d have the best clothes, drive a Roll’s royce and eat steak every night. We better look carefully at the Bible before we choke on what is being dished out.

He was buried in another mans tomb, a rich mans. If he was rich or his family, they would have buried him in his own family tomb. But this again proves that He had no money for this. Neither did his family nor the apostles have the money to by such a burial, it was borrowed, actually donated to be exact.

After all it would not be permanent. Jesus in his ministry had borrowed many things. A manger, He borrowed boats, He borrowed a[b] colt[/b]; He borrowed a house for Passover and He was buried in a borrowed tomb. Christ came in complete humility as stated in 2 Cor. 8:9 “Christ, that though He was rich, (owning everything) yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich.” (Meaning spiritually rich.)

However it does not mean that we should glorify Lack. But the point is that people use the example that Jesus was rich so we would seek wealth to the detriment of a contrite heart. Some people dont know that people in deeper life and some other church have wealth (what generates income) but are silent. If God told them to sell it they will sell it at the instance. This are holy men.

@Tayo D

The parents of Jesus were poor but devote followers of the Lord.

I never said He wont work.

yes Jesus was 40 days old when the sacrifice was done not 42. if it were a girl it would be 80 days. Are you trying to say that the gift made them rich.

I did not say I did not know. Soldiers go to war and they take spoils they dont gamble with cloth for will take it. The cloth of Jesus was very Irrelevant to the commander of the guards.

@olowotee

Pls I beg I will call myself whatever I like. And my spiritual state is not what matters. Deeper life is not heaven. I respect deeper lifers very much. yes i know very Holy brethren in deeperlife. I know brothers that will never show their wealth. they spend their money for God without asking God back for anything.

I know that there demon possessed people in Deeper life. If i was in Nigeria I would probably attend Deeper life.

@Cgift

Every word spoken has it root meaning. The name Kumuyi may mean something to other people while it may mean something else to others.

I may call myself Ogundurotimi mean The god of Iron has stayed with me. The true God of iron is who? the most High God.

But because you want disconnect your name from fetish and occult covenants you may change the name.

@ olowotee

Thanks for answering for me.

Oh well I have heard that before, "Who you to right to Judge?"

You dont know that we are little Judges? and that we are advocates Solicitors to Most High God?

I am not moved by this statement I have heard before. all men shall give account on the last day.

@Pilgrim1

Sorry about your Exams

Well please Just tell me of all the tribe of Judah why was it that the Lord name it after men.

Or of the disciple of Jesus who was a woman?

The word "disciple" refers to a "learner" or "follower." The word "apostle" refers to "one who is sent out." While Jesus was on earth, the twelve were called disciples. The 12 disciples followed Jesus Christ, learned from Him, and were trained by Him. After Jesus' resurrection and ascension, Jesus sent the disciples out (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8 ) to be His witnesses. They were then referred to as the twelve apostles. However, even when Jesus was still on earth, the terms disciples and apostles were used somewhat interchangeably, as Jesus trained them and sent them out.

There was no woman at all!!!!!!!

Do you see the similarity 12 disciples and 12 tribes named by Men no woman.

The day a child is named after a woman that day is the evil day

Thank you Mr Tayo-D

I dont honestly know how to help you. You have very little knowledge of scripture and it will take time for me to show you. I will do what I can here.

Tayo-D:
@Backslider,
So rich people don't work? I can't believe this is coming out of your mouth! Rich or not, hard work is a virtue that the scripture advocates. Laziness and idleness is frowned upon by scripture.
While there may be no indication as to how much He was making, there is absolutely no proof that He lacked anything He wanted. And by the way, He lived in the OT and could not receive tithes. He was not born a Levite and wasn't a Priest of the O.T.

That is not what I said read the post. Yes hard work is a Virtue. Let him that does not work not eat. How muchwas he making preaching? You have no idea that Jesus was the High Priest? Well dont you know that he was of the tribe of Judah and that The scepter and the staff of priesthood was given to Jesus?
The Levitical commission is given unto Judah but notice it says the Scepter shall not depart from Judah.

Jesus was and is a Priest. "For we have an high priest, "

Tayo-D:
This sacrifice was made when Jesus was just 42 days old. The Magi had not visited Jerusalem by then. The magi's visit happened when Jesus was about 2 years old. Your Ministers of poverty never told you that did they?

Just read your bible and you shall be saved from error even when I quote scripture you cant read it?

Luke 2:22-24 (King James Version)
22And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;

23(As it is written in the law of the LORD, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord

24And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.

Tayo-D:
It was all a matter of choice. John dressed in animal skin while Jesus was dressed in fine linen woven from top to bottom. John was a huge contrast to Jesus in almost everything, you can chexk out one of the contrast Jesus made in Matthew 16:18-19. And by the way, are you the one responsible for your cousin's upkeep?

may be you don't know what you are saying go and get a bible dictionary it will help you.

Tayo-D:
In your zeal to glorify poverty, you are unable to reason logically. How can jesus have invited those 2 desciples to stay in the house of Peter's mother when He had not even met Peter in John 1? One of the 2 who went to stay in His house was Andrew, Peter's brother who later introduced Peter to Jesus. Jesus teaching that He had no place to lay His head isn't to be interpreted as if He had to sleep in a homeless shelter every night. Rather, Jesus was teaching them that He is not attached to anything. Jesus never begged anybody for anything throughout His earthly life. His needs, including shelter were readily met - now that's rich.

Thank you I cant reason Logically because the bible is clear on this one. This shows you are lazy to read your bible to study yourself.

Tayo-D:
Abraham never forsook his riches, Job, Isaac, Joseph, Jacob etc never forsook their riches. So why are you teaching for principle that which is not? Moses never got it wrong? He followed His vision and was in obedience to God. Jesus' clothings were so valuable that the Soldiers wanted it. Do you think they would have wanted the worn-out abiliments of a poverty stricken man? I think not.

The soldiers wanted his blood stained cloth? Hmmmmm you mean Abraham never forsook his God

Tayo-D:
You alwasy mis-read scripture. Jesus' only revealed what was in the rich man's heart - greed and covetousness. Do yuo know what would have happened if the guy had gotten over that covetousness and gave up all his possessions? He would have received a hundredfold in this lifetime and still inherit eternal life - mark 10;30, Matthew 19:29. So you see, riches is not synonymous with sin.

Hmmm the doctrine of the sow and reap.
ever heard of the doctrine of the FAILED HARVEST?
A man sows and he does not get nothing at all?


@Cgift

The doctrine of piety is not a deeperlife doctrine. I know a man that made wealth but died poor. he moved the power of God all over the world. You would have heard his name but you will not know it was him.

Olabowale

I am prepared to Go to hell fire with Jesus as my God than follow any mere man that does not know where he is heading. Muhamed will stand before Jesus his God.

My bible tells me that Jesus is God completely and he is the source the source is eternal Sweet eternity. If you are in Jesus there is no fear for anything his love is so powerful. There is no competition in this love it cometh from above.

Mo' will plead for his sins and the pangs of hell will be so great. It will be too great for him to carry Christ will say I told you that I am the way the truth and the light No man cometh to the father Except by me. The quran will not be able to save him Aisha will wail the cry of billions of Muslims in hell will be deafening in his ears. He will tell jesus that he is sorry but it will be too late.

I am giving you the Chance to say what you think now and repent saith the Lord of Host but that day will come where you will seek to flee from the presence of Christ.

The books that he wrote will be a testimony against him he will weep for all eternity and the blood of them that went to hell will be on his head.

I appreciate that Islam is the way of the multitude bible says Broad is the way that Leadeth to destruction but narrow is , please abandon the broad gate and flee it come to the Narrow gate.

Jesus gave up all the riches that are his in heaven to become a man and was born to a poor family (not homeless and destitute), his stepfather was carpenter, if they had money from the gold given at his birth (as some claim) he would not of had to work. The Bible does not mention his riches but many teach this from silence.

As Jesus grew up he worked in the trade of a carpenter, not a trade known for its wealth. How did Jesus become rich with a step-dad who was only a carpenter? There is absolutely no indication anywhere that he was wealthy from his family or from traveling with His disciples. By the way, He took no tithes.


In Luke 2:22-24, Jesus is taken to the Temple by his mother a poor families sacrifice is made -two pigeons (according to Leviticus 12:8.) If they had been rich as the prosperity teachers claim they would have had to make a larger sacrifice. If they did not and were rich they broke the law.


Matt. 11:7-8; Lk. 7:25 "As they departed, Jesus began to say to the multitudes concerning John: "What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken by the wind?" But what did you go out to see? A man clothed in soft garments?

Indeed those who are gorgeously appareled and live in luxury are in kings' courts." Neither John or Jesus dressed as those who show God's blessings today with thousand dollar suits and shoes. Why does Jesus' cousin John wear such bad clothing while Jesus is walking around in expensive clothing (a seamless garment), didn’t He share?

Like Avanzini will say "Jesus had a nice house, a big house big enough to have company stay the night with Him at the house. Let me show YOU His house. G0 over to John the first chapter and I’ll show you His house. Now, child of God, that’s a house big enough to have company stay the night in. There's His house." (Believers voice of Victory program, TBN Jan.20,1991)


I couldn't find it! How about you? Avanzini says "Jesus had a big house" but it was Peters mothers house in Capernaum that was often used as a base, it was not His.
Matt. 8:19-20: "Then a certain scribe came and said to Him, "Teacher, I will follow You wherever You go." And Jesus said to him, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head." Jesus himself he had no place to lay his head, no permanent home, he constantly traveled.

He dressed like everyone else (simple), he even said to forsake this world to inherit his kingdom. His kingdom is not of this world and he made it perfectly clear in His teachings. Some seem to think that Moses may have gotten it all wrong to have forsaken the riches and pleasures of Egypt and suffer affliction with his brethren looking by faith to him who is invisible." (Heb.11:24-27).

He didn't have to, he could have had the best of both worlds. The rich young ruler came to Jesus and he responded by telling to him to give all his riches to the poor and follow him. Was Jesus telling him to rid himself of riches while he actually possessed them Himself? Would he ask someone to do something he himself would not?

The queen of heaven is a demon. This is the one that shall prepare the way of the completely fallen Man and Complete devil, The Antichrist.

be not deceived Satan is planning his return also and all they that worship the evil women is doomed.

@Tayo

To be free from want ?

400 million dollars! yeipa!

How many tons of Gold is that ?


He became poor so that we could be rich is simple he was of low esteem. He was God and man together yet he never showed boastfulness or pride. He did miracles and said people should keep quiet not like the MOG we have today that we see then advertising Miracles.

He had a contrite spirit he was broken He was sorrowful. I have seen few men that have this spirit but one that come to mind was Mr Wesley. A man that sat with kings but he lived a simple life.

@ AKO

There is no scriptural basis that justifies the claim of the poster. NONE. The only place where the bible gives room for the dominion of the male gender in human affairs is in the home.

Really ? not true!

When Esther was going to save her people, if the men had prevented her just because she is a woman, they would have perished. Period.
God DOES NOT CARE about your gender or your outward appearance. He cares most about your spiritual progress.


Please read your bible very well how did Esther Lead her people. Some people don't have bible study. As for those "Ministers" you mentioned just look deeply you see that they are leading people astray.

If he did not care about gender the promises of God should have gone to the other children of Isreal that were women. Please read your bible and study it very well. You can buy a commentary like Mathew Henry.

Thank you all on this topic. We see that the false doctrine is gaining power in the Church.

@Cgift
When looking at scripture you must never imagine something and then seek to corroborate it with scripture if you look at the bible very well you see that satan is a master in this act.

We must search the bible to know what mind of God is in prayer. Jesus was poor in his days. The donkey he rode on how much did he pay for it?

Then There is nothing like Divorce Right?

In the style of Jesus

So if you found the other person to be with the same problem what would do?

There are many today who are teaching that Jesus was rich. Jesus and the disciples were rich, only rich people could take off for 3.5 years. (Fred Price, Ever Increasing Faith, recorded 11/23/90)

Frederick K.C. Price states: "The Bible says that He [Jesus] had a treasurer-a treasury (they called it "the bag"; that they had one man who was the treasurer, named Judas Iscariot; and the rascal was stealing out of the bag for three-and-a-half years and nobody knew that he was stealing. You know why? Because there was so much in it, He couldn't tell. Nobody could tell that anything was missing, , if Jesus didn't have anything, what do you need a treasury for? A treasury is for surplus. It's not for that which you're spending. It's only for surplus-to hold it until you need to spend it. Therefore, He must have had a whole lot that needed to be held in advance that He wasn't spending. So He must have had more than He was living on." ("Ever Increasing Faith" program on TBN [23 November 1990.)

Among those who teach Jesus and the apostles are rich are Oral Roberts, and Creflo Dollar, Kenneth Hagin. John Avanzini attacks and mocks theologians for teaching that Jesus was poor.

"I don't know where these goofy traditions creep in at, but one of the goofiest ones is that Jesus and His disciples were poor. Now there's no Bible to substantiate that." ( From the "Was Jesus poor? Video)

Was Jesus Rich? Lets look at the clear biblical evidence. Jesus was born in a stable

(his parents knew the approximate time of his birth so they could have reserved a place, God could have made sure he had a room)

but it was to be in a stable, a cave.

Lk.2:22-24[b] Mary sacrifices two turtle doves which is a poor households sacrifice[/b] (Lev.12:2-.Why did Mary in her praise say “He has filled the hungry with good things and the rich he has sent away empty.”

Jesus gave up all the riches that are his in heaven to become a man and was born to a poor family (not homeless and destitute), his stepfather was carpenter, if they had money from the gold given at his birth (as some claim) he would not of had to work. The Bible does not mention his riches but many teach this from silence.

100% Yes

Go and read the 3 epistle of John.

@Ndipe

Tell me where in the bible that this happened.