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Mr Anotony, May I ask, how on earth do you think that lawmakers in Naija are going to take notice of a petition on the internet over something in the newspapers? What is the saturation of the internet in Naija?

You're having a laugh aren't you?

Hatfield - I used to work there, I worked for T-mobile until May this year.

Ruudie, in my humble opinion, dem moss side bways are waaay better than the two teams united have drawn against thus far. If I was a manc, I would defo be slightly uneasy.

It was a battle, yes it was


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Here's the thing - NOBODY has their full eleven at the moment within the big four. No, I'm not saying Manchester United is facing relegation - far from it. I'm quite sure that Manchester United is going to be among the top four again this season (afterall Sp*rs is propping up the table at the moment). I am however saying, and will keep saying that the title is slipping out of your fingers. Also, any loss of points by Manchester United makes the sun shine a bit brighter for me, so I will always be in a great mood when this happens.

But don't trivialise - your camp is in extreme disarray right now - so much for your strength in depth (oh Tevez, the wonderful Tevez, yet he couldn't stop man You from drawing against portsmouth)

It's also quite nice to see you eating humble pie, and counting the number of losses/draws that you can still sustain.

This Bingo is tripping. Man U is 4 points behind Chelski. Dude, you're in BIG trouble, because you're now going to have to chase the rest of the season.

Hm. This isn't quite true. You get the 3M ONCE, that's it. Why the hell will anyone agree to keep shelling out 3M for RVN? Rooney on the other hand was a young man, so they keyed in to his profitability. He can't be sold to Liverpool for (i think) 5 years or so, and any money made from selling him they take a part of it.

It's normal, nothing genius about it

Where is willy from, I'd like to know. And where does he live?

Jack na wah o, Someone was telling me the other day that DSTV can only show football matches "in part" within Naija. Whatever does "in part" mean? I thought the whole idea was to get two providers instead of just one, so DSTV could do their thing, while HiTV also got to show the matches. What is happening!!?

Hmm, very true. I guess it all depends on the scope of your programming. I sometimes tend to write code that's really busy yet crucial, so I need the ability to use my code to allocateb and reference certain resources in certain way in order to maximise throughput, so C++ works for me.


But mate, when I get bugs, they can indeed be frustrating. It's the trade off,

http://arsenalist.com/2007/08/12/arsenal-vs-fulham-highlights/#more-503


Arsenal vs fulham goals,

Jack,
since when did Ian Wright become a prophet? And for your information, his original prediction was 6th (behind Totts and Newcastle), so he has started to change his prediction. Wrighty also predicted that we weren't going to win in the leage 2003/4. Remember the season? (Unbeaten run). Your choice of prophets don't do you any favours


John Oshea is an average player with average looks. Evra, a bit over average, but not fine. Theo na fine boy.


Glasses or contacts may help,

@Ruudboi
Ol bob, no be fight, you yarn opata. You say dem buy person, the person no get name?

ny guy, yarn correct, and people no go too yab you

Ruudie - sorry what do you mean limited? Can you please expantiate?

Okay, does anyone apart from Ruudie himself have any idea what OPATA the boy is saying?

Seun, out of curiousity, why python? I hate that language. I'll rather use perl, or even normal shell scripting with sql for development over python.


Okay, that was an exageration, but I'm simply not quite a python person. C++, perl and sql perhaps. Java, absolutely.

Deb, who made that DUMB posting about the will of God having to be a christian? That is simply foolish. God made every human being, regardless of religion, educational background or race. What we need is a wise and dedicated leader, NOT a christian leader. I will choose a wise dedicated muslim over a lazy and dodgy christian anyday.

Waait guys - Are you saying supersport no longer shows premiership matches?

Oriki, may I ask, how do ladies dress?

Naah Razor, I think Van Nistelrooy looks like a horse though.


Jack, I bet you also will spread your cheeks for the guy to bonk,

Hey Mookie Muki, how're you doing?

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=24654.msg1386028#msg1386028 date=1187000096]Banderas,

Welcome anyday.

Didn't mean to; but no, I did not - and that's why I quoted the relevant section that I was referring to.

It's not only when you have to use the phrase "a child of darkness" that one would know you did what I pointed out. However, please consider this again in yours:

You may not see those highlighted lines in yours as anything close to "criticizing", but it's there all the same.

It is not a matter of "Jesus can judge" (as opposed to your earlier "Jesus didn't judge" - they are clearly not the same thing, and that is why I quoted precisely to show that He DID!

I didn't claim otherwise - at least you should see the point I made earlier:

I don't gamble the gimmicks of arguing issues with a closed Bible. If I pointed out something in yours and you feel the retrospection that it was "one mistake", then the mistake is YOURS - and your mistakes don't solve anything either. This does not mean at all that I claim infallibility - on the contrary, I've made quite a few bloopers, and have welcomed the corrections and enquiries thereto from others.

I would like to join the discussion (and thanks for the invitation); but if people are making assertions so strongly antithetical to what the Bible teaches about Christ, they're not helping the discussion - and we can't just simply get by on such assertions as if they solved anything in the first place.

This is not about picking out "one mistake" in yours, so I don't think you should take it personal. Apologies if you do all the same. However, if you're inviting a discussion and at the same time refusing to reconsider your own assertions in light of what Christ actually said and did in the WORD, it would only amount to rejecting the same invitation that you supposedly have offered.

Cheers.[/quote]here's the thing. I have a slight issue about the way you actually joined this - mainly because I have the feeling you're in this to support PTH, and not to discuss logically. PTH took a small thing I said, and blew it up into a total lifestyle, how he came to the conclusion I have no idea, and for the rest of our discussion, I kept trying to tell him he had made a wrong conclusion. He doesn't seem to have understood this.

Now analysing what you have said - My discussion I'm afraid is NOT going to be restricted to the bible - if that's what you're expecting it's not going to happen. This by no means implies that I don't believe in the bible - I totally respect and obey the instructions in the bible as much as I can. I also meditate on what I read and try to get the real implication of what the bible is saying, as different from picking up things word for word and applying them to my life. This according to PTH is tantamount to me cherrypicking within the bible, and choosing what I obey. I wonder whether he also believes the world was made in 7 literal days, and discounts the theory of evolution. For me, I do not discount science or other religions, that is not for me to do (I suspect PTH on the other hand is empowered to do just this). I believe science is a tool in the hands of an almighty God.

I am not denying that I made a mistake, I however am insisting that this mistake I made is not exactly the strong point of my argument, and in concentrating on my mistake, you are steering the discussion away from what we were saying earlier. This makes your entry into the discussion a bit of a distraction.

Pilgrim, thanks for your assistance there.

But in my opinion you have read me incorrectly. You accuse me of criticizing - can you please point out where I criticized the gentleman's lifestyle, or where I informed him that he was a child of darkness? I'm talking about a point where I took something he said, and made a conclusion, as different from reacting to his unfair categorization of me.


Regarding judging, Jesus can judge, afterall he is the christ. However, mr PTH is in know position to judge. If you want to join this discussion, please do, and join us based on what we are discussion, don't join by picking out one mistake I made, and quoting a lot of scripture to point it out, this solves nothing, and adds no value whatsoever to the discussion we are having.

PTH, I'm not surprised at your inability to type your own statements, instead constantly trying to make a case out of dissecting mine. Intelligence and folly cannot co-exist. Intelligence creates, folly tries to destroy and criticise.

Brainwashed for Christ? Do you even read this bible you so strongly support? You will know the truth and the truth will set you free, not you will be brainwashed.

And here we go again, oh judge. I see God has made you a judge of people. That must be your ministry, judging people. I wonder how you manage to do it, seeing that Jesus didn't judge. But then again, your real masters did - the pharisees.

Agreement with God - now you know everything, and again you try to limit God. Wonderful. Hello again Pharisee.

Wallowing in sin? You don't know me, you can't judge my lifestyle from my posts, how come you accuse me of wallowing in sin? (Judge, pharisee)

Actually, I am quite comfortable with myself, thank you very much. I have no need to justify myself by accusing other people of cherry-picking and wallowing in sin. You are the one that has the need to do so, I wonder why.

Cherrypick the bible? I wonder what the bible says about judging others. Dear PTH, you still are unable to even see what I have been saying, instead you go on makig (false) accusations about the way I live my life.

Again - deceit. I'm just amazed at your ability to come to such conclusions from what I have said. Mate, follow the bible that you preach, and deal with the log in your eye, stop trying to point out the speck in mine. So what if you have been ridiculed for your beleifs, is that why you think it's okay for you to come online and ridicule mine? Is that what makes you a judge?

Unfortunately, I can't say I have learnt anything from you here. You have come across to me as a millitant christian, not millitant in prayer, but millitant in accusation. You seem, my dear friend to have forgotten the very message of Christ which was love and tolerance, you have gone instead to become a judge, and go around accusing people who don't fit your idea of christianity. Christianity is neither based on your expectations, nor based on Paul's expectations (that I may know him), it is based on the expectations of God. 

You know for a short while, I thought we could have a conversation, maybe discuss a few things and learn a bit from each other. I was civil to you, and I was friendly. You on the other hand have been nothing but judgmental and condemnational in your posts, these are traits that Jesus spoke against very strongly, it's amazing that you have picked them up. You wave the gospel (or your interpretation of it) like a sword of justice, again this is not your role, not yet anyway. You wear your sacrifices like a cloak of righteousness (Hey, I don't smoke and I don't drink) Well let me tell you, there are hundreds of non-christians that don't smoke or drink, so that is far from a relationship with God. And then you accuse me of being darkness? Ahh man! You are indeed an amazing fellow.

Perhaps there is one thing that I can indeed take from this discussion "brother" - I do NOT want to be like you.

OMG, I just read through your posts, and you know what, go ahead, and live your life, and enjoy it. It's hopeless trying to reason with you, you're as brainwashed as a suicide bomber. But you're NOT God. You preach a gospel you have no understanding of. You're no different from a suicide bomber who beleives Allah has instructed him to "sacrifice" his life for some weird cause. You're also a lazy person who doesn't want to think for himself, but is looking for someone else to think for him (consider the parable of the talents, you've buried your talent)

And decode? You have decoded NOTHING about me, you make your impressions about me based on what you've gone through - not wise. You're like the pharisees who found fault with Jesus because he hung out with normal "unclean" people. And you speak about my conscience? Let me tell you now - the reason why you don't drink is because someone somewhere told you not to, not because the bible said you shouldn't (hello control)

And why, why do you think you understand my agreement with God? That is simply hilarious. It is YOU who doesn't have an understanding of God, you rely on what people tell you, you don't take time out to find out what God is saying to you and where he wants you to be. And you also judge others.


My message? You have no clue what my message is. Your message on the other hand is this - I want to earn my way into heaven by living a perfect life. Every now and then I will look around and condemn anyone who doesn't live like me. My righteousness and holiness are the key - anyone who isn't holy can't make it. I will enter heaven with my eyes closed. I may as well retreat into a monastery, I don't want to live in this world again.

You know what PTH - your wrong and totally annoying tendency of describing me in a completely wrong manner (I don't think you're as smart as you think you are), is really getting to me. You judgemental attitude (Even Jesus didn't judge, but the pharisees, who you remind me off did) is far from inviting to me. Also, I want to go to bed - i have to work tomorrow. I wish you luck in your walk, I have made my choice, I have prayed about it.

And your accusations I find really really disgusting and irritating. How dare you accuse me of cherrypicking? Are you God? Since when do you know it all?

I say again - people like you are exactly what Paul preached against, you make it uneccesarily hard for outsiders to enter into the kingdom of God. Since when did you hold the keys to heaven and earth? I find your tone and posts unbelievably self-righteous, I didn't realise people like you still existed.

Wait, victims mentality? You know NOTHING about what you are typing or what I have been through or my backround, why do you think you can judge?

Are you even reading my posts at all? Where in my posts do I say that god has no say in how I can live my life?

Okay, that's it. By your delibrate misinterpretation of my posts, you have brought me to the end of my patience. Live your life, I'll live mine, oh Pharisee (By your fruits, I know you)

Whaaa! Jackal is still barking? United played f**k-all. Arsenal, well there was only one penalty, we scored 2 goals. Chelski was poop, but they won. So was liverpool Manure was, well, manure, and they were held. Too bad mate!

And now, now you preach to me (give it a shot).

Here's how it is for me - I refuse to live by the law of the bible. I refuse totally to be controlled by the ability to stay away from sin. I drink beer because I see nothing in the bible that says I shouldn't, and because I have prayed about it.

Like you I am of the opinion that there is an acceptable code of conduct for a person who believes in God.

PTH, you're losing me completely, that is my concern - you have an opinion of me which simply isn't the truth. My issues are not with christianity, they are more with some messages coming out of the church, and the way some people twist things to suit themselves and also to control other people.

And if you think I haven't made any sacrifices, you have me completely wrong. I have made my own sacrifices, based on conversations and agreements I've had with God.

My message is not that christianity doesn't exist, or isn't relevant, my message is this - don't limit God to christianity. God is divine, not christianity. Christianity is merely a way of worshiping God, who are we to say there isn't any other?

When United lose their next game. we'll see what y'all will be saying then.

Remember - United won last season mainly because they were able to get a string of victories, starting from the beginning of the season.

PTH:
i'm glad we can communicate now. I have a few observations though. You just confirmed my hunches, the innate desire of the soul of man to believe in the existence of a supreme being but a seeming reluctance to accept His control over our lives. We want to live with the believe of a God, reap the benefits we expect to get from Him and yet don't want Him to have anything to do with our lives.
How do you believe the 10 commandments are the pillars of your life when these commandments are the very basis of the spiritual covenant that the Christian God (whom you would rather have nothing to do with) established with the Isrealites more than 4000 years ago?

These 10 commandments are a part of the bible you claim is "limiting", these commandments are at the very core of Christ's teachings, these commandments are the very foundation of the christian faith and yet you just want to live by them and dump the rest?
The 10 commandments are not universal laws of man, they are the laws of a God you claim does not exist. My dear, you can't live life in a bubble.

"a lot of what is now filtering down to us" includes the 10 commandments you are clinging so desperately to. Why do you think those did not change and every other thing changed? I have been a christian all my life and NEVER have i had the feeling that it is merely a tool of control and oppression. Yes it controls me to do that which is right and which when we ultimately view them without the prism of human desires are the best decisions of life.
When people talk of control - they are invariably talking of having to lose the freedoms to sin!

but the 10 commandments were just right for you to take hold on? The bible is as literal as it is figurative. It uses several examples to teach us how we as christians ought to live our lives in our present world. Every instruction from eating habbits, to the controversial issue of homosexuality is discussed there, you just have to prayerfully fiind them and have the holy spirit guide you.
You cannot understand the bible without a being transformed by salvation. Outside that, you will simply see it as a tool of oppression.

Okay - to answer your questions:

I believe the 10 commandments are are pillars. I have observed them, prayed about them, and I can see that they make me a better person, while not interfering with other people's rights and lives. However I refuse to agree that a man wearing long hair, or a woman wearing trousers is a sin. I fail to see how the bible has a say in that.

Man, you make me laugh - what have I dumped? How do you accuse me so "confidently"of dumping the rest? How, from what I have typed have you been able to make this ernomous conclusion? You impress me, really you do. And where did I claim God didn't exist? PTH, have you even been reading my posts at all?

Here is what I will tell you for a fact, take it anyway you wish. There is NO WAY that the bible, a couple of thousand pages can contain the entire will and commandments of God, it is simply impossible. God over and above the bible. Yes, the bible contains some instructions from God, that in no way means that if I do stufff that isn't in the bible, I'm breaking God's rule.

Since when do you speak for God, oh PTH? and how do you know from where my inspirations and beleifs come from? Oh, let me guess, the holy spirit has revealed to you that I am not from God, and only what is in the bible is from God.

Here's what I say - there are mysteries to God that human beings will find out after the last day, if this last day indeed is a "day" in the true sense of the word (which I totally doubt). Something else I'm not sure is a literal prophecy is the scripture.

Now regarding never feeling that the bible is a tool of manipulation - I guess having a Naija background makes that easy. I have a mixed background, and I can tell you for sure, that for the part of my family that was once enslaved, christianity (as well as islam) was used to justify slavery. That is simply one aspect which I feel is rubbish, there are other interpretations and messages I have issues with.


Here's what I say - YOU are the one who is trying to make a "pocket God", to limit God to your faith - and tell everyone else that there is no way but your way. I fear that a lot of christains have become exactly what pharisees were in the time of Jesus - self righteous bigots.

Hey PTH,
Finally we are communicating. I believe in God. I do not call him the "christian God", because in my beliefs, he transcends and exceeds christianity, islam, judaism and any other religion. I am however very careful with the different "sacrifices" demanded from us - I believe there are the pillars of my belief - the 10 commandments. I also believe there are more advisory instructions, as different from commandments. I am also careful about statements like "lifestyle changes" - what lifestyle changes are we talking about?

I am of the opinion that religion has been used as a tool for control and oppression over the ages, and a lot of what is now filtering down to us is considerably different from the christianity that existed at the beginning of the ages (i.e. after the death of christ).

I also believe that a huge amount of scripture in the bible is more figurative and less literal, and so following the bible page to page is far from the way to go.

This is a short summary - I'll say more depending on how long we get to discuss for.

Hey PTH
No, you're wrong - I have no intention of disparaging the christian concept of God. Neither do I intend to disparage the islamic concept. I actually am much closer to the christian concept than any other. I however find the christian book and religion a bit too limiting for an omnipotent and merciful God. The islamic/muslim concept I really don't know about, so I can't speak very much about.


You still haven't told me where you stand - at the moment, your sole interest in our conversation - if I may call it that - has been to tear my theories/beliefs apart.

I ask again, o PTH, what are your own views? What is your own belief about God or the lack thereof as the case may be?

PTH:
You read your own posts again and answer the following questions:
- if we agree with you that indeed your unknown god transcends all religions then who is this god? where is he? how can we get to him? where does he live? is he aware we exist? what are his plans for us? in what way does he influence our lives? what does he say about life after death?

Hahhaha, You make me laugh. Dude, I am not trying to proselytize you, whether you believe or not is your own business. I have come to a knowledge of this God based on MY experiences. I have no desire to share these experiences with you however. I have told you what I believe - There is a God. What do you believe?


Just saw your last post - The God I believe in - if he/she has a name, I don't quite know it, for my purposes, I refer to this God as "GOD" (quite convinient I know, but it serves me)

I'm waiting to hear what you believe though