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Lemos14:
Lucifer wanted to orchestrate a coup and overthrow God..he wanted the authority that God had..you know just like typical human behavior...

@bolded yes..because like I said where there is freewill there is bound to be evil...it was just the devil that deceived them into making a wrong decision because the devil knew he could never get right with God so he dragged mankind out of Gods presence just to spite God

Thanks.

Kobojunkie:
1. I made no assumptions whatsoever. Micheal was referred to in the book of Daniel as a prince of Israel— an advocate for Israel —not an angel. It was only in later mentions in the New Testaments that he was referred to as an archangel, at that point, the myth had taken on a new identity. And if you research the mentions of the name Micheal, you will indeed find that there were many princes named Michae in the land of Israel that the original story could have been of.

2. Gabriel is in fact the angel in Daniel's visions, the one sent to relay God's message to Daniel.

3. What heaven? The sky? I wish you would take time to read through scripture paying very careful attention to context as well so you can see what is in fact written in there for you to glean. Recall that Heaven that in the Kingdom of God aka God's special Nation of Priests from Exodus 19 vs 6, was not available or open to anyone before the arrival of Jesus Christ, and will be open for admission, even to Satan and His angels until after Jesus Christ has returned and then judged the sheep and goats in His Kingdom - Exodus 19 vs 6. Meaning that the war described in Revelations 12, couldn't have taken place in Heaven which is the Kingdom of God.

4. Those angels are the goats in the kingdom of God written of right there in the context.

Now, you think the scriptures have hidden meanings? When I told you that, you called my theory bullsh**.

Again, make your argument without any assumption. Take what was written as it is.

One reference? Of course he was called such. Is he not a warrior angel? The defender of Israel and God's chosen? What would they call him if not that? In the book of revelations, he's described fighting Satan and his demons.

Heaven of course... Does God live in the sky? Would the final battle take place there too?

Lemos14:
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Where there is freedom of choice, evil is bound to happen...so it was there before even adam and eve were created...and he brought his evil along with him when he fell to the earth and that's why he is called the god of this world because he was able to take away authority that God had initially given to mankind

So that's why whenever people ask..." are we fundamentally good or bad" it's always confusing being that we are free moral agents.

Why did Lucifer and the others sin? The Bible makes it seem as though sin became a thing after Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating the forbidden fruit... But if they always had free will, they were likely to commit sin? Maybe later on, assuming the serpent never tempted them.

Kobojunkie:
1. Not necessarily. You have to study the scriptures to understand what I mean. The mentions of Micheal in the Old Testament were all in connection with him being one of the princes of Israel itself. The mention of him in Revelations 12 also connects back to the Old Testament claims made of his person. He is not necessarily an angel but a warrior figure who fought or stood against enemies on behalf of Israel in the past.

You are making assumptions! You weren't there. Don't interpret the Bible. What you read is what it means. Did the writers tell you Micheal was a warrior? He was referred to as an angel.

I also mentioned Gabriel.

2. Have in your mind the image of Thor, God of thunder, falling like lightning from the heavens/sky when you read that verse again, then consider the question you asked. Thor comes down with power ready to conquer, and if you read on in the same passage, Jesus goes on to indicate that He gave more power than Satan has to His followers, so they are not to worry about Satan at all.

There is no scriptural evidence that Satan ever lived in Heaven.

What was he doing in heaven then? Paying a respectful visit to God?


Revelation 12:7-9
Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven

3. What angels are those? According to Jesus Christ, those to be punished in the place of eternal damnation are Satan and His angels who as it turns out are the goats in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 25 vs 40 - 46.

The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me. ' “Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Obviously the angels who rebelled with the devil against God

Lemos14:
We are different from Angel's.As for us humans, we have all the freewill only here on earth ,when we die judgement starts and if you're not found wanting, you'll be in heaven where theres no more temptation or suffering...you'll be made perfect


And tbh I try not to think about it too much because even the freewill we have I ask myself is it really freewill?

That's the thing... This war between God and the devil started in Heaven, did it not? So another could and another... An angel needs to feel too proud for that to happen... So even in heaven, there is temptation or the ability (not sure if this is the right word) to sin...

TheBillyonaire:
Angels are personalities of the Angle of Light in the Star Systems and Yes, they are Extra Terrestrial and multidimensional in nature.

The Answer to your questions are::

Yes, in dipolar world, Angels can do bad things as well as good things just like humans. But note that what you call bad, might not be bad in the scheme of things. For example, in other to create new continents from existing ones, there have to be earthquakes as tectonic plates and entities are assigned functions that could lead to dead of many humans and animals. Humans see that action as bad but in the Divine scheme it is in order.

Heaven is not a perfect place, and God, by virtue Creation and Destruction of Simulations from Existence moved from perfection into imperfect form, so God is not perfect.

God's Authority is by design subject to challenge, it is a law of polarity.

I think God is a sadist... The Bible portrays him as such. I can understand me challenging his authority (I'm a human who was born sinful thanks to Adam) but even angels? It's weird. Why did he create them like that? The devil didn't exist in the beginning but the concept of sin did? Does that mean there's some other greater evil being? Or that if God created man in the likeness of him and the angels, then God too is allowed the right to free will. He can be evil.

If heaven is so imperfect, why do we even bother to attain it? I guess it's better than hell.

Kobojunkie:
1. I am afraid Micheal is also likely a mythical being from stories spread by the people of Israel, this from the stories of him contained in scripture as well.

2. Where in scripture did you cull that from?

Oh, I think I understand you know... The old testament stories are myths, right? The angels are fictional characters... But angel Gabriel features in the new testament.

The verses I posted?

Luke 10:18
And he said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

Does Satan reside in Heaven?

And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—

Hashabiah:
God never forces people or his creations to obey His will. Which is why all things in existence are free moral agents ...even the ones in Heaven .

This makes sense.

Revelation 12:4
His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth.

But does it not terrify you? That even in heaven, there's the risk that you or others could sin against God and be punished so harshly; banished to hell to spend eternity a demon.

Does that mean we are inherently evil? All of us, even the angels who have existed before the devil and hell.

Lemos14:
Please do not listen to that kobojunkie she is a lunatic..everyone has freewill both Angel's and humans...and lucifer was one of the Angel's before but went against God

Kobojunkie:
1. Did you know that all those who are of Jesus Christ that will end up in Heaven eventually will all become like angels — no longer humans? These humans made the decision to forego disobedience(sin), abandoning it all in order to live their lives in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, eventually to be sealed by the Spirit of God in that state of continuous obedience for eternity. Can that which is sealed into a state of obedience by God Himself then sin against God? Impossicant.

I'm talking about the angels God created before humans... The ones with him since the beginning of time, like Michael...

2. There was never a Lucifer as that entire story that you have been fed is born of myth, I am afraid.

Oh! The Bible says an angel went rogue... Who was he then?

Luke 10:18
And he said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

Revelation 12:7-9
Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

Revelation 12:4
His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;

Jude 1:6
And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—

Ezekiel 28:14
You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked.

Isaiah 14:1-32
For the Lord will have compassion on Jacob and will again choose Israel, and will set them in their own land, and sojourners will join them and will attach themselves to the house of Jacob. And the peoples will take them and bring them to their place, and the house of Israel will possess them in the Lord's land as male and female slaves. They will take captive those who were their captors, and rule over those who oppressed them. When the Lord has given you rest from your pain and turmoil and the hard service with which you were made to serve, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: “How the oppressor has ceased, the insolent fury ceased! The Lord has broken the staff of the wicked, the scepter of rulers, ...

Revelation 12:7
Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back

Isaiah 14:12-15
“How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’ But you are brought down to Sheol, to the far reaches of the pit.

Ezekiel 28:1-26
The word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, say to the prince of Tyre, Thus says the Lord God: “Because your heart is proud, and you have said, ‘I am a god, I sit in the seat of the gods, in the heart of the seas,’ yet you are but a man, and no god, though you make your heart like the heart of a god— you are indeed wiser than Daniel; no secret is hidden from you; by your wisdom and your understanding you have made wealth for yourself, and have gathered gold and silver into your treasuries; by your great wisdom in your trade you have increased your wealth, and your heart has become proud in your wealth—

I have a few questions...

Can angels sin against God?

If they can, doesn't that challenge God's authority as the creator and ruler of all that exists?

How could Lucifer sin (pride) when he was still the angel of light and not yet the devil? Who or what tempted him to defy God?

Is heaven an imperfect place?

Thanks!

pocohantas:
It is just too much and I wonder their aim. If you repeat that thing he said now or say all the men you meet want only sex, that same guy would type another epistle telling you to check yourself. But see them suddenly claiming all men want is sex. They don’t mind denigrating themselves when necessary to score points.

Which one be say men no dey snatch wife?
For this Nigeria? Lol!

They are shameless.

Of course they don't snatch wives... They are all saints on Nairaland. The side chicks of married men usually remain side chicks... It's almost as if the men dating married women are ghosts... When he wants to complain about Nigerian women's infidelity, he would suddenly remember the women who were snatched from their husbands by richer, more successful men.

Some people are not even committed in paying just 10% of their income to God as tithe and they want Him to be committed to their financial success

In other words, God is a business man.

Either I'll start my own church or find a man of God to marry...

Jokanem:
"The life of every sort of flesh is in it blood" - Leviticus 17:14

To God blood represent life, so since life is sacred blood is also Sacred.

"Keep abstaining from blood" - Act 15:28,29

Genesis 9:4
Leviticus 17:10

How exactly to you abstain from blood? Why do you abstain from it?

It's something you can't necessarily avoid, don't you cut yourself? Is it that the blood is bad or what? I'm curious...

You take blood from one person and give it to another, how's that bad? You're not taking a life, rather saving one...

Autobot05:
An obvious fact ...

Men are better than women till you need pity...

Then it's, "Men are victims of women"... "Women are evil and manipulative"... "Avoid women for your own good"...

Superior mumu gender. Nonesense.

Obnoxious2001:
I no sure say them know the repercussions of divorce legally. Besides na who get asset to protect go reason this way

The person who has no asset would be offended... More upset if they infact married for money...

Kobojunkie:
You go retire from internet too?

Certainly not!

siofra:
I saw these ones on Pinterest but I've made a few myself for my friends. Mostly bikini bra though.

I crochet too! But I only know 4-5 patterns... Can't make anything reasonable yet, except for really small purses... I'm still learning.

pocohantas:
Men “snatch” wives and It didn’t start today. Way back in the old, warriors dey snatch person wife and add her to his harem. She go born for am and life goes on. Even now, rich man dey snatch poor man wife. Financially stable men dey snatch broke guy babe. Pastor dey snatch member wife. So leave all the talk. When it happens, you guys won’t call it snatching. It would be how women are insatiable and hypergamous. Any small thing, “we only fck her and return her”. We no go hear word on top fck matter again. Them no dey fck married man and send him back to his wife? Abi you think side-chicks want to be saddled with the man for life? No be money them come for? MOST side-chicks want to end up happily married to a man ignorant of their past. So how many of them do you know that want to “snatch” married men clean? There are a few that are open to outright snatching (i.e) polygamy or babymama, but they are not the norm.

If person read una post, it would look like men have stopped going out of their ways to get women FOR ALL THE RIGHT REASONS. It is only on NL that men only want fun from women. Abegi!!!

Honestly, he didn't even comment reasonably... Ignored what I was saying to write something that makes absolutely no sense. Even widows remarry... Every woman has the choice to settle down. She could decide to turn down her suitors for whatever reason, or drop her standards and just choose one for the sake that he's a man and she needs a husband.

It's only on Nairaland that they all want sex... Offline, they would still find a woman to settle down with... Most of them come here complaining that they were dumped by their partners cause they are poor... Now, they all claim they never took relationships seriously.

If every Nairaland male is nothing but a fu** boy, why should we take them seriously? They got what they deserved then. But when they want pity, they'll portray themselves as saints who wanted to marry their imperfect girlfriends and give them good lives but they were rejected...

pansophist:
I think that for a woman to say that she has lots of male options, then it must be that all her male options are comparable in status, but this is not mostly the case.

As an analogy, a Nigerian passport can go to many countries, but all the countries combined are not up to one useful country, for example, Canada. So tell me, does a Nigerian have options?

So the same thing applies to women thinking they have options. No, you don't. What you have is a bunch of simps that a hundred of them are not up to one Davido in net-worth. It's about the quality of suitors, not quantity.

The simple truth (or bitter truth to you since many of you women live in delusion), is that most of you will settle with average men. Not because there is anything wrong with average, but because women overvalue themselves.

We live in a time where being an average man is the new abnormal, and women are prime victims of this reality they've created, where they crave top-tier men, but don't want polygamy. It's mathematically impossible.

And while you're feeling fly because you create, impose and break the rules as you feel fit when dealing with your loyal simps, real men, the one that you truly wants, who have options, and have their masculine energy intact, will not abide by it.

You will have to come to face the fact that if you do not measure up to their expectations, there are truckloads of younger, beautiful, richer, and feminine women waiting to not only snatch him away from you but beat you to stupor if you messed up. There is no sisterhood when a high-value man is in the picture

Ever heard of a man snatching another man's wife? Don't the word "wife snatcher" sound strange? Men don't snatch wives. We fit borrow her from her man and have fun, but men always return her back. But your fellow women will snatch him clean. Even using juju turn you into a mad woman. I repeat, no sisterhood when a high-value man is in the picture simply because men are assets for women, but women are responsibilities to men.

Even worse, such top-tier men can have more than one wife or concubines in non-polygamous societies. Then you come to understand that women may win the battle, but in the main war, a man will always win, if he is a real man. Maybe then you can be humble, cut off your arrogance, and see that you're also disposable to the men you desire.

Lots of you women feel fly not because there is anything special about you, but because a bigger idiot (usually a man, a foolish man who pays for his oppression) is in the background bankrolling you, fueling your narcissism. Making you unrealistic and living in a perpetual state of delusion.

I don't expect this from you... Honestly, did you even read what I wrote? I know the others are irredeemably stupid but not you too.

Am I on a forum with men suffering from lack of common sense. Can't you read? How did you get your degree?

I'm making a point that no woman in her 30s to 40s was never asked out by a serious man... These women rejected them cause they were picky... Do I care why? No. That's not the point.

The person I was arguing with tried to make it seem as though there's a scarcity of men blah blah blah... The truth is that there are millions of men willing to settle down but most are rejected due to their financial status.

If you put a gun to a woman's head and say, "get married before a week's time", she can easily find a man, whether he's what she wants or not, whether he's a simp or not... As long as she drops her standards, there's gonna be someone.

Was I bragging? I don't even want to get married, especially not to a Nigerian man, so I'm not trying to win anyone over or whatever your small brain thought I was doing. You're extremely disappointing.

Nothing you wrote relates to the arguement...

Obnoxious2001:

Honestly I would
( I personally have a problem with court marriage in the case of divorce. I personally feel the law is too weighty on men)

Let me clearly state my losses in case any should happen....

The way you are thinking is sharp. You are making good use of boredom

I'm surprised many men are against it. Maybe it's really a western problem.

Oh. Thanks. I'll soon retire from Nairaland for a while.

budaatum:
Some parents can be ignorant as fuq.

Thankfully for them, we are taught to forgive them for they know not the harm they may cause.

Which is incredibly toxic. A parent should have more sense than their child. This culture of forgiving horrible parents needs to stop!

I get what why you wrote that, I'm just so upset it's a thing!

These are gorgeous!!!? Omg!

Honestly tho, who makes them?

RTID:
Reasons You'll probably never get into a relationship.

1. You don't like phone calls.

2. You watch your phone ring and you don't answer. You'll deceive yourself with "I'll call them later." You and I know that's a big lie.

3. You just want to come on WhatsApp, check people's status, laugh, post yours and leave the app. Sending someone a message is never part of your plan.

4. When you receive a message, you reply it in your head and move on.

5. You visit a message days after you received it, and continue like nothing happened.

6. You always forget that you're dating someone.

7. You care, really but you just don't know how to show it.

8. 99% of the time, you just want to be on your own.

9. You don't even remember your birthday, how you go take remember another person's own?

10. People bore you easily.

Bonus: Your phone is always on silent. Lol, my dear.

You dey find partner and you still dey do any of those things up there? And you know the worst part? You don't even want to change.

Just dey play!

I rarely respond to posts like this, but this is totally me. This is the reason I created a thread recently asking why if I'm normal, but I got bashed.

I'm glad others can relate...

I'm on Facebook sharing posts most of the time, reading messages then ignoring them... I forget I have a boyfriend I completely adore till I realise we haven't spoken/texted for days, maybe weeks...

That's why relationships (friendships) are so hard, people expect so much... And these days, I can't even force myself to be interested in a conversation... I'll rather be on my own, reading or stealing memes from weird groups on Facebook.

But my relationship has survived a year and 5months cause of the time difference, language barrier and my boyfriend is kinda like me... You should see his pictures, he's not a fan of humans too!

okerekingsley90:
Man you are everywhere on NL

He's jobless.

Jayzel:
Bro it depend on the kind of weed u smoke ( fresh not preserved )
Here in Sacramento I have a favorite store I do get my fresh cannabis
And as a therapist I need it for my working activities

Don't just smoke for the fun
Smoke and poke

what sorta therapist?

Rayban25:
I wont argue with you about this...you women have to lie to some extent to aid your manipulation....so with the example you gave me just now if one of your boyfriends asks you

"Banilla am I really the only love of your life?"

Wont you lie and tell him yes?...abeg make i see road...and just incase you feel like arguing more look at the meaning of lie in dictionary

It also means to create a false impression...so you technically dont have to speak to lie.

If I say, "yes" then I'm lying... But then again, he could be the love of my life, maybe I just have sex with the other men... So my "yes" wouldn't be a lie anymore... Doesn't change the fact that I'm deceiving him for my own good- manipulation.

Besides, the definition a lie- a false statement.

Omitting the truth or hiding it doesn't mean I'm lying.

Grgton:
Take your mind off sex

Act like nothing happened

How does that work? You take your mind off the sex you wanna have?

Stop using drugs... Never take anything herbal medicine or mixture or whatever.

Maybe you're not used to it (sex) yet... So you're overly excited. You haven't had sex till now and you don't masturbate. Give it time, you'll adjust.

Then see a doctor.

Sixfeetbelle:
I like how you just exposed your ignorance

I hope he was joking... I don't think people can be so dumb.