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An2elect2:
Oh man oh man. Its either you are having serious comprehension defects or you are intentionally misinterpreting the bible to favour your pagan understanding of God.

It says GOD, one being, not a fragment of God, not Father-God or Son-God, but the one God, that Jehova! He was manifested in the flesh as Jesus, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels...etc Who is this person that came in the flesh? He is no other but God himself, the Father of all creation.

Isaiah described the Messiah as both a branch
out of Jesse (the father of David) and as the root of
Jesse (Isaiah 11:1, 10; see also Revelation 22:16).

According to the flesh He was a descendant
(branch) of Jesse and David, but according to His
Spirit He was their Creator and source of life (root).

Jesus used this concept to confound the Pharisees
when He quoted Psalm 110:1 and asked, in
essence, "How could David call the Messiah Lord
when the Messiah was to be the son (descendant)
of David?" (Matthew 22:41-46).

When you see Jesus as to His deity you have seen the Father!

There are no two Gods here, only one and that's clear biblically speaking!

You laughed when you saw what? good reasoning has deserted you, that you had to pick up straws. Something is fundamentally wrong with the faith you profess. Why don't you point out the contradiction you see in my posts and what my profile says.

Trinity my foot!

Why do you choose to insult me? I don't use such words on people even if we disagree on an issue. Know that I was only trying to joke with you, not that I have seen something bad in what you have written in your profile. I was trying to encourage you in your zeal, but you were so fast in judging me wrongly. Anyway God's grace!

An2elect2:
LOL Have you ever read 1 Tim 3:16 before? common!

Yes, and what next?
1Tim 3:16 .....God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles....I have already shown you that the Son is also God. Which God (the Father or the son) manifested in the flesh?
I laughed when I saw 'The zeal of the Lord has consumed me' in your profile. Really it has! (Lol)

An2elect2:
That was keen.

Scripture says SON OF GOD, Trinitarians say GOD THE SON. Lets see who is right!

but i totally dont agree with the JW's view of who Jesus is! nah

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
2 Pet.1:1 ......To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Heb.1:8 But to the Son (Jesus) He (the Father) says: Your throne O GOD is forever and ever.... The Father (God) calls the Son (God).
Titus 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ
Acts 20:28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. Was it the Father or Jesus (the Son) that shed his blood that was referred to God here?
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said to Him (Jesus); My Lord and my God.
Phil.2:11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Gal.4:4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God send forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law.
In the OT and some passages in the NT, the name 'God' was used for the Father. The Son was revealed with the name Jesus, but this does not mean that Jesus is not God (not the Father but also a Creator).

Appleyard:
And you, don't try to change anything pertaining to the Holy Ghost--

--but the comforter which is the Holy Ghost,which the Father will send IN MY NAME--

not by my name-- Thus, the Name of the Holy Ghost is JESUS! Is as simple as that.

- and the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost, who the Father will send IN MY NAME (by my authority, to represent me, in my place). Put 'Jesus' in the place of 'name' and see if there is any meaning to it.
It is like an ambassador (Nigerian) who is sent to another country (Ghana) to represent Nigerians. Wherever the ambassador (representative) comes and speaks in Ghana, it is in the 'name' of (authority of, in the place of, instead of) Nigeria (as if all nigerians are speaking).

Appleyard:
Can a spirit possess another spirit? The answer is an emphatic NO! One Spirit can not live inside another spirit. So how come you have God the father, a spirit, God the Son, a spirit, and God the holy Ghost, a spirit, merging to become one God? What a lack of intelligence reasoning. It takes the Celestial body to live inside the Terestial body, not celestial living in celestial and terestial living in terestial to become one.

They 'merge' to become one God means that they come together under the name God. There cannot be two Gods (Creators). Three people can come together under a name to invent a thing, retaining their individual personalities. This is how the three -the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit came together as 'God' to create things, without losing their individual personalities.

John 14:9-11
9. 'Jesus said to him, Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father'. This shows that the Father and the Son cannot appear at the same time so that people will say that one is the Father and the other the Son. Anyone that appears represents the other but not that they are the same person.
10. 'Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does this works'. Jesus did not say 'I am the Father and the Father is Me' but 'I am IN the Father and the Father is IN Me'.
11. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works itself.- This means that if you do not believe that Jesus is in the Father and the Father in Jesus, then believe because of the works the Father does through Him (Jesus).
John 14:20 'At that day, you will know that I am in My Father and you in Me, and I in you.' Does it mean that Jesus being IN us and us being IN Jesus make us to be Jesus (in person)? Does it mean that Jesus being IN the Father and the Father IN Him make Jesus to be the Father and the Father Jesus?

John 10:36 As for Me, the Father chose Me and sent Me into the world. How, then, can you say that I blaspheme because I said that I am the Son of God?
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him; and WE will come to him and make OUR home with him. Who are the 'WE' here? Are the words 'WE' and 'OUR' singular or plural?

johnw74:
What a lot of babel.



The Word is a person of God
And the Word is God

It's that plain and true,
simple and straight forward

Two Persons:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Two Persons:
Pro 8:22 Jehovah possessed me from the beginning of His way, before His works of old.

Two Persons:
Pro 8:30 even I was a workman at His side; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him;

God is the Father, and the Word is the Son
The Son is not the Father, Duh

Believe the scriptures .... or not.

I understand what you mean by God being the Father as you want to differentiate the two. When we call 'God', we are not only calling on the Father but also the Son. God is a general name under which the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit exist.

Addietunes:
Please are you saying the bible has no errors due to misinterpretations?

Are you talking of the bible as a book or the words in it?
If the word of God has errors, it means that God makes mistakes and is not all-knowing. Any error is from humans who do not interprete it well.

Appleyard:
Thank God, now that you have agreed on God spoken word.. We are moving on the right track.
Now, yes! I agree that the word is like a container like you said, and the word of God do come to people or someone like you said. I never disputed that at the first place.
But the area you still have refused to come to terms with is the ' Word and word' terms. What is the differential meaning between this two? The truth is, there is no DIFFERENCE IN MEAANING between Word and word. Infact, it is not even 'they,' it is ONE WORD, not two!
That is where you are having problem. You are still trying to put a differential meaning between them, when in reality, the term 'Word or word' means
a letter or group of letters that has meaning when spoken or written.
Now, what does this tell you? Simple. The word back there in Genesis and the Word as use in John 1vs1, HAVE THE SAME MEANING, whether capitalized or not, and you know that to be true. For i know that your bone of contention is the 'w' capitalized, plus the fact that 'He and Him' were used to indicate personality; and on this note, you were right, but your undoing is that, you still have not understand nor accept the fact that it is that SPOKEN word (remember the meaning of Word) that has metamorphose into a PERSONALITY. How, and when?
Pls, Lets go back to the bible.

John1vs1--

1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Bear in mind we have already concluded that d term 'Word' or 'word' is of one meaning. Therefore, when John said 'in d begining 'was' the Word- (was is past tense, and ')- he is already aware of who Jesus is because, before he wrote his book/account in the Synoptic Gospels about Christ, Jesus had already left the scene. Otherwise, he couldnt have written anything or everything while Christ was still around, because it could have amounted to work-in-progress, and besides, the Holy Spirit had not come.

So. When he made Use of the capitalized term 'Word,' he was by knowledge personifying Jesus as that 'word' ( non personification) of God, that 'was' with God back then in the begining (creation in Genesis,) which has become FLESH (personification.)

Yes! There is more to the usage of the term 'Word,' because that was the only time God's word became FLESH-LIVING BEING, A Body, a Robe, a Human Vessel etc, He created for the sole purpose of redemption.
Thus, the capitalized 'W,' and the statements like, ''--as of the only begotten of the Father--,'' where to amplify and apply the full concept of the personality of God in Human nature (Jesus.)
Otherwise, you can't tell anyone that 'Word' is in meaning different from 'word.'
The earlier you realize this, the better.

And yes, there was no mistake in writing 'Word' for 'word,' because, it has left a stage of non-human to full human quality. Hence, the personification.

But the notorious fact remain; 'Word' is a 'word.' There is no other meaning ti it.

For in the Greek context,
Every reference to"the word"or"the word of God" or"the Word of the Lord"in the New Testament is either logos or rhema, both of which mean"words spoken by a living voice."

And Jesus is that spoken Word of God!

2. Heb 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God , so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Psalm 33vs6.

The heavens were made by the 'word' of the Lord , and all their host by the 'breath of his mouth.'

The above two verses prove that the word of God or the Word of the Lord is the Lord Jesus Christ, who created all things in heaven and earth, and whose name is " the Word of God.

Rev.19 vs 14
Finally confirm the capitalize W.


Remember the key is THE MEANING OF THE TERM word or Word.

Thank you for your write-up! You explained yourself without insults attached. I like your kind of person.
Nevertheless, it was not a mistake to see 'Word' instead of 'word' in some passages in the bible. If the writers were referring to Jesus, they would have used 'Word' (to show reverence) instead of 'word.' It is like saying that 'god' is the same as 'God' or 'Lord' is the same as 'lord'. Do you see any difference between 'god' and 'God' or 'Lord' and 'lord'? I still say it clearly that 'Word' is an embodiment (carrier) of 'word/s (thing/s spoken with the mouth). Put 'Jesus' anywhere you see 'Word' and 'word' in the bible and the difference will be clear.
Anyone that studies the Scriptures must be careful enough to see changes when some words are used. These changes are to be observed carefully so that its application will not contradict other passages in the bible.

chuna1985:
I read n obey the 10 commandments, that's all.

But is it a sin to disobey any of the 10 commandments given by God?

chuna1985:
And u read d portions of the bible that suits ur argument n throway d other ones that contradicts ur beliefs. Lol, very typical of people who don't understand the bible.

D Bible never stated marrying an unbeliver a sin,.ur doing ur best to enforce it as one.

Learn to remove religions from ur life, it confuses.

Sorry for the interference. But, is it a sin to disobey God's instruction on a believer equally yoking oneself with an unbeliever? This is b/c I know that when God's word says 'do not do something,' God actually meant it.

The first thing one needs to do before one can understand the Scriptures is to be born again (accepting Jesus Christ into one's life as Lord and personal Saviour). John 3:3 'Jesus answered, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.'
1 Peter 5:12 'Whoever has the Son (Jesus) has this life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.'

God gives one His Spirit at the point of becoming born again. The Spirit of God gives one understanding of all that are written in the Scriptures.
1 Corinth. 2:10-14
10. But it was to us that God made known his SECRET by means of His Spirit. The Spirit searches everything even the hidden depths of God's purposes.
11. It is only the spirit within people that knows all about them: In the same way, only God's Spirit knows all about God.
12. We have not received the world's spirit; instead, we have received the Spirit sent by God, so that we may know all the things that God has given us.
13. So then, we do not speak in words taught by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, as we explain spiritual truths to those who have the Spirit.
14. Whoever does not have the Spirit cannot receive the gifts that come from God's Spirit. Such people really do not understand them; they are NONSENSE to them, because their value can be judged only on a spiritual basis.
2 Peter 1:20 Above all else, however, remember that no one can explain by himself or herself a prophecy in the Scriptures
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16. All Sripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching the truth, rebuking error, correcting faults, and giving instructions for right living.
17. so that the person who serves God may be fully qualified and equipped to do every kind of good deed.

Note that reading the bible is differnt from studying the bible. One reads the bible in the same way as one reads novels, newspapers or other books. Studying the bible needs the help of the Holy Spirit, as well as faith.
Hebrews 11:6 'No one can please God without faith, for whoever comes to God must have faith that God exists and rewards them that DILIGENTLY seek him.
Heb. 4:2 'For we have heard the Good News, just as they did. They heard the message, but it did them no good because when they heard it, they did not accept it with FAITH.'

So, accept Jesus as your Lord and personal Saviour. The Holy Spirit will be given to you. Then, study God's word with faith (believe it even if it looks nonsense to you).
1 Corinth. 1:20-21,25
20. So then, where does that leave the wise? Or the scholars? Or the skilful debaters of this world? God has shown that this world's wisdom is FOOLISHNESS.
21. For God in His wisdom made it impossible for people to know Him by means of their own wisdom. Instead, by means of the so-called 'foolish' message we preach.
25. For what seems to be God's foolishness is WISER than human wisdom, and what seems to be God's weakness is STRONGER than human strength.

All passages are taken from the Goodnews Bible.

stagger:
Spiritual compatibility is a big issue in marriage. I know you are not married else you would not have written this piece from a myopic point of view. Those of us who have been in the game for at least 10 years can tell you better.

God bless you for this post! Most people think that 'spiritual' compartibility is the same as the 'physical' one. Some christians do not care to know how their spiritual states will be like after such 'spiritually incompartible' marriages. They only 'fall in love' with the physical aspect which after marriage leads to problems and separation when they do not agree spiritually.

Col.3:10 'As a result, there is no longer any distinction between Gentiles and Jews, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarians, savages, slaves and free, but Christ is all, Christ is in all.'
Christians (people who have accepted Jesus as their Lord and personal Saviour, and living as Christ has instructed them) are in the same family (not denomination) and free to marry one another.
This is different from people who are 'christians' b/c they go to church or have adopted bibilical names.
Marriage is not just about 'falling in love' with someone before marriage, but being able to 'maintain the love' as long as both of you live.'
The situation here is whether one has peace and the inner conviction (witness) of the Holy Spirit that assures one that he/she is taking the right step.
Remember that there are many people in the church who claim they have been born again. This is why christians need the guidance of the Holy Spirit and God's word in order to avoid mistakes. Some christians are 'enduring' their marriages instead of 'enjoying' them. Your marriage partner, to a great extent, determines how fast or how slow you will walk with God.

Appleyard:
So, you believe God dont think or what? That He would just stand up and start doing things randomly?

I know you dont't believe that,
god actually thinks, and when He acts out His thoughts, it is always by words or in writing.

Chek them out:

Isaiah 55:8

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD.

Isaiah 55:9

"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Psalms 92:5

How great are Your works, O LORD! Your thoughts are very deep.

Amos 4:13

For behold, He who forms mountains and creates the wind And declares to man what are His thoughts, He who makes dawn into darkness And treads on the high places of the earth, The LORD God of hosts is His name.

Micah 4:12

"But they do not know the thoughts of the LORD, And they do not understand His purpose; For He has gathered them like sheaves to the threshing floor.

Romans 11:34

For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR?

1 Corinthians 2:16

For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.

Psalms 40:5

Many, O LORD my God, are the wonders which You have done, And Your thoughts toward us; There is none to compare with You If I would declare and speak of them, They would be too numerous to count.

Psalms 139:17

How precious also are Your thoughts to me, O God! How vast is the sum of them!

Psalms 144:3

O LORD, what is man, that You take knowledge of him? Or the son of man, that You think of him?

And the rest of your points i have already talked about in other posts here.. Cant do that now, or even post now.
Work things are calling.

Do bear with a brother..

Bye for now.. Gonna be long this time , though...

Shalom....
** .

You misunderstand me. I do not mean that God does not think. Yes, God has thoughts. In John 1:1, the 'Word' or even 'word' can never be God's thought. 'Thoughts' are 'imaginations' but become 'word' when they are 'spoken'.
Wherever you see the word 'thought' being referred to God's thought in the Scriptures, it is written in small letters. This shows ordinary thinking which will be different if it is written as 'Thought' meaning something deeper than ordinary thinking.
When we see things like 'the words of God', it is totally different from 'the Word of God'.
The 'words' of God mean the things that come out from God's mouth. The 'Word' of God means something different from ordinary 'word' that God speaks.
Note: In John1:1, it was not written as 'in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God' but 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.' It was not a mistake to have written 'word' as 'Word.' There is more to the usage of 'Word' here than 'word'- (something spoken from the mouth).

Appleyard:
Just because a thing is capitaliize at one place, then at another, is not, does it makes it loose it meaning? If so, then English have lost its content.

Check this; the term 'God' and 'god', what is the difference between them? The difference is that the one with the capital letter is held to be SUPERIOR than the one with the small letter. Otherwise, THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME MEANING- an object of worship. A deity.

That is the case with Word capitalized or word not capitalized. The same meaning. The dinstiction is the Importance attached to its Usage, and under what circumstances. Otherwise, a Word is a word! Except you want to write your own dictionary.
So let that stick inside you. No offence meant, pls.

But lets help ourselves:

The definition of a word is a letter or group of letters that has meaning when spoken or written.

That is, not until you speak or write them, they remain bottled up inside you- as what?

Check out the meaning of Thought:

an idea, plan, opinion, picture, etc., that is formed in your mind : something that you think of
: the act or process of thinking
: the act of carefully thinking about the details of something

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thought

Now, when you are thinking of something and you what that thing to be made known, how do you go about It? Either you Speak it or write it out, simple.

We have, above, looked at the meaning of "word" in a dictionary, we find that it is defined as a "unit of spoken or written language," and "language" is "any method of expressing thoughts." A word is, therefore, a means of expressing thought.

That settles it!

Now, you implied that the Word
as use in John1vs1, is not the spoken word or what you said it is not. Then how come the Word was made FLESH and dwelt among men? Why was Jesus called the Word of God? And since we have established that 'Word' capitalized or not, is of the same meaning, then where was the Word in the begining? Genesis. And who was the Word with? God. And what was the Word? God. Because, your word as have been defined above, is not different from who you are. Simple!

That word in John1vs1 was CAPITALIZED to show THE IMPORTANCE AND CIRCUMSTANCE OF IT USAGE. But its the same in meaning. It was that same Word God SPOKE (that is, VOICED OUT OF HIS MIND) that created all things in the begining, which was rightly asserted in John1vs1-3, that all things were made by the Word voiced out by God. That Word only Become God (since His word is not different from Him-God) because this was the only time HIS WORD BECAME FLESH.

Emmanuel-God with us!

Not Three God's with us!

**Let us make man in our own image.....

The problem we have is that, we always want to interprete God's word for Him..even when the Bible said, no scripture is of any private interpretation. Why dont we allow God to interprete His Word by Himself?

God is a creator and a king called 'the Lord of Host', meaning He has dominion over subjects. And this subjects, be they less or more, are Spirits like Himself, because He is a Spirit. And when a King wants to do certain things, He addresses His subject.

That was what He did back then!

And d interpretation followed;

**and God mad man in His (not their) Image.

I am not inferring that the Word was not God's spoken word but that the 'Word' is used here as a personality and not just 'word' or 'thought'. All I am saying is that the 'Word' is used as a body (such as a container) carrying all the things God spoke with His mouth 'words'
I know you must have read 'And the word (not Word) of the Lord came to somebody?' This simply means 'And the Lord spoke (said something, gave instruction) to somebody.'
We cannot see 'And the Lord spoke the Word to somebody' anywhere in the bible. This because the Word is a personality (body) having all the spoken 'words' in Him.
In Him (the Word) there is life due to the life-giving words (everything God has said with his mouth) He carries. Therefore know it now that 'Word' (body/container/house of words) is different from 'word' (something that comes out from the mouth when one speaks).
Also, Have you ever read in the Scrptures where Jesus (the Word) said that he (Jesus) is the Father?

In the olden days, God spoke as the Father. In the NT, Jesus, the Word, who is also God spoke as the Son. Now the Holy Sprit speaks to us as God because He represents God, the Father. The word 'God' simply means the Creator of the Universe. The word 'God' is used to show 'supremacy' or 'highest authority' in the universe. We believe there is one God. I believe that the Father, the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit (Helper) exist. The Father is in heaven, the Son is also in heaven sitting with the Father at His right-hand. The Holy Spirit is on the earth and dwells in us. The Father was in charge in the OT. The Son was in charge during his time. Now, the Holy Spirit is in charge. The three personalities all come under the name 'God.'
Here are two examples:
1. A man and his wife are joined together to become one in marriage. The family name becomes one in that the man or his wife responds when the name is called. This, howeve, does not indicate that they have lost their individual personalities. Each of them works as an individual for the good of the family.
2.Three people can decide to engage in partnership business. They have to come under a particular name for them to be united. Whenever the name of the company is mentioned the three answer or anyone of them answers. This does not mean that they are the same person but different persons, who come together in unity to become one. No one acts on his own authority but only with the consent of others.
In the case of the Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit have their own authority or will power. Because of their unity, the Son and the Holy Spirit submitted to the authority of the Father and obey Him. This makes the Father greatest of the Son and the Spirit and the world.
This does not mean thatt 'They' do not retain their individual personalities with their distinct functions or works.
The confusion here is how these three personalities agree unanimously or speak with one voice in everything they do. It would have been better understood if it were only one personality speaking or working. This is a mystery known only to 'Them' No man has understood it. When we get to heaven, everything will be understood fully.
In conclusion, I believe in the existence of the Godhead- the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit being united as one God, but are different personalities, with distinct works. I rest my case!

[quote author=Appleyard post=33734680][/quote]Gen. 1:2
2. ....And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. This happened before God spoke. Now, was it God that spoke or the Spirit that spoke?
Note that 'the Spirit' is different from 'Spirit.'
John 4:24 'God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth.' The word 'Spirit' here started with initial capital letter as a sign of honour or respect to God to denote His nature. In the bible one can see that initial capital letters are used when referring to God with 'He,, Him, Us, Our and other words.' This is to show reverence. This does not talk about the Holy spirit but the invisible nature of God. It was not written as 'God is the Spirit', showing that He is a personality. but 'God is Spirit' showing invisibility. They that must worship God will do so in spirit (believing He is everywhere because He is invisible) and in truth (sincerity of heart)

Appleyard:
It never said there are three Gods-God the father, God the Son And God the Holy Spirit.. Thus, this is what it meant;

''there are 3 that bears RECORD (not records. And what records? Nothing but the testimonial manifestations of God's power of SALVATION, REDEMPTION AND EVENTUAL JUDGEMENT of all things) 'the Father' is d OWNER of the 'WORD,' and the Holy Ghost is the ACTUAL NATURE OF GOD dat gave the WORD life.

The attributes of ONE BEING!

You confuse yourself. No one has said that we have three Gods. God is one. To prove that Jesus is God and Son: Isa. 9:6 'For unto us a Child (note the initial capital letter) is born, Unto us a Son (note) is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, 'Mighty God', 'Everlasting Father', Prince of Peace.'
God (Father) has these names but the unity seen among them made Jesus (the Son) to be addressed with the same names.
Luke 1:32,35
32. He will be great and will be called the 'Son' of the Highest (the Father)....'
35. .... the Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you, therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the 'Son' of God.
God was in heaven when Jesus was on earth. When Jesus ascended to heaven, he ascended as a person and did not vanish on reaching heaven so that it will be only the Father exixting as the one God. He joined his Father and this makes them 'two personalities' not 'one'.
When you mention the name God, you describe three personalities. There are THREE (not one) that bear RECORD (the same testimony of redemption) in heaven. Who are they (not Who is he)? The Father, the Word (who you say is God's thought) and the Holy Ghost. It is not written as the Father, Son and Holy Ghost which symbolises the same person. The article 'the' before each name shows they are distinct and different. Check other bible translations to know if the word 'the' is used before each name. The problem is that some people can no longer differentiate between plural and singular and also, what it means when the word 'the' is used before a word.

Appleyard:
Wrong! The word was with God is not two persons! This is where most of you confuse yourselves.
When the bible said ''in the begining was the word....,'' where was the Word then? In THE BEGINING (Gen.1vs1-2,) ---now, we must understand something here.. What is a word? A WORD IS A THOUGHT EXPRESSED! Before you alter a word, it is first a thought in you, and it can never become a word unless you have altered it out. Now-- ''and the Word was with God'-- the word that comes out of you is always with you, it was a thought in you and emanates from inside of you to the open, whenever you deem it fit to alter it. It does not come from somewhere else.
** '' and the Word was God,''--- your thought is you, and when it becomes a word, IT IS YOU!
You are not different from your word. Though you are superior to your word (in the sense that it emanated from you,) you are not different from your word.

I hope you studied english well (no insults meant). The word 'Word' started with an initial capital letter, which is different from 'word.' If it were God's thought, it would not have been written with an initial capital letter. The 'Word' is a proper noun and distinct. When initial capital letters are used in the bible, they represent 'distinct' things and not 'common' things. Do you want to make me believe that God's thought was transformed into flesh and became a human being? Then here are few questions:
1. Does it mean that God was in heaven and His thought (Jesus) was on earth? How did you come to this contradictory and hilarious conclusion? Have you ever read from the OT to the NT that God's 'thought' transformed to become a thing or a human being? What I have read is that God 'spoke' (not thought) and things came into existence.
For human beings, He did not speak but 'They' created them. Gen. 1:26 'Then God said, let Us (note the initial capital letter different from 'us') make man in Our (note) image, according to Our (note) likeness....' Who are the Us and Our being referred to- God and His thought who was with Him?
2. When Jesus (thought) ascended into heaven why did he (thought) choose to sit at the right-hand side of the owner (God)? Does this not make Jesus to be visible as a person, making them two people in existence- God and his thought (Jesus) sitting beside him?
According to what you have written, will someone not say that Jesus is with God (sitting beside God'? When you use 'with' it can mean 'having' or 'carrying' something. It can also mean 'being in the company' of people.

johnw74:
Ha ha, no you've got me wrong,
no annoyance in that post.

Ok. Just that your post seemed to me as if you were shouting into someone's ears to admit the truth.

johnw74:
You are jw is why you cannot see it,
you don't know that Jesus Christ is God,
and you don't know that the Holy Spirit is God.

The voice from heaven saying this is my beloved Son,
is clearly God the Father.
And Jesus is clearly the Word, who is God,
John 1:1...and the Word was God.
that just leaves the Holy Spirit who I believe is God,
and not just His power.

How can you not at least see God the Father in Mat 3:17?

And the same with John 14:16, "I" is Jesus Christ, the Word, God.
And again the Father is obviously God.
Another comforter is referring to the Holy Spirit.

Guy easy o! I can feel the fire burning in your heart when you typed this in annoyance. Please forgive them for they know not what they do! Pray that their eyes will be opened to the truth.

johnw74:
Who is the one glorious personage
the Father God, the Word Jesus Christ, or the Holy Spirit?

Help me ask them who do not believe in the Trinity. That there is one God does not not infer that there is only one personality with the name 'God.' This one personality as they assume must be a magician, in that he divided himself in order to live in heaven, with himself seated at his right-hand, and himself dwelling in man. They usually quote the OT and less of the books- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John- that substantially explained about Jesus and his Ministry. They get confused when they read the NT so they hold onto more of the OT and interprete it out of context. Anyone that wants to understand the Scriptures should leave theological ideas out of it and allow the Holy Spirit do the interpretation, so that it will not contradict other passages in the Scriptures.

Appleyard:
There is only one God who manifested in three different dispensations', and with multiple titles. The churches 'traditionally' believe 3 seperate or distinct persons in one God. This was as a result of d scriptural mentioning and deifying of d Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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1. According to the Scriptures, how come that Jesus ascended to heaven and is seated at the right hand of God, pleading with the Father on our behalves? Will Jesus be seating at the right-hand side of himself and pleading with himself?
2. If Jesus is the Father, who did he pray to on the cross 'Father, forgive them for they know not what they do?' Was Jesus talking to himself or to someone?
3. Jesus said 'Father, Father, why have thou forsaken me' Was he not calling someone that made some people think he was calling Elijah? According to the Scripture, he was calling on God not on himself.
4. Jesus said 'I go to my Father for He is greater than I.....' Was it not someone that he was going to meet or was he going to meet himself? I hope you know that 'greater than' is used when comparing two things or persons? 5. Jesus said 'I will send you the Helper, the Holy Spirit, who proceeds from the Father....' Even a lay man can understand this english. The Holy Spirit did not come out from Jesus but from the Father, while Jesus did the sending to us.
6. Jesus said 'I go to my Father and to your Father, to my God and to your God...' For God's sake even a child can interprete this well. How can Jesus be going to himself?
There are three personalities appearing as one- the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Anyone of them that operates represents the three and this is why anyone cannot see the three. This is due to the intense, unbroken and everlasting UNITY binding them.
Please study the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John well for a better understanding.

NumberOne2:
Tithing is NOT at a stipulated time? Not everyone gets income by months end.
Some people pay tithes 3 or 4 times in the same month. Some just 2 times a year.

This means that tithers pay tithe when it is convenient for them. God did not command the Israelites to pay these tithes when it was convenient for them or anytime they wished. Tithing as demanded by the law was at stipulated times. They must wait till the appointed times for the tithes to be paid and according to its rules.
God is all-knowing. He knew that some Israelites would not be able to meet up with the payment if it involved money. He knew that some Israelites would be owed by their employers and some might not make profit before such tithes were paid. That was why he did not involve money but crops and animals, so that no one will give excuse for not paying tithes. He knew that before the tithing periods the Israelites would have got an increase in their livestock and crops. Money existed at that time yet they did not tithe with money. This means that if you are being subjected to pay tithes with money, you are not doing it rightly. It means you are giving your money out unnecessarily being coerced into it unknowingly.
If you want to involve money, it is no more as a law and the blessings in Malachi will not come to you. These blessings pronounced in Malachi come when one tithes as God commanded.
If one wants to involve money, it is no more of the law but of free-will and no one has to subject you that you must pay it within a given period in a month. If you desire to give a tenth of what you have to God as a choice, go ahead. But if you cannot make it up to that, let no man subject you or you forcing or subjecting yourself into giving up to such amount.. Therefore give as you can afford whether a tenth or more than that or less than that. God has already blessed us with the blessings of Abraham in Christ Jesus.

NumberOne2:
DO NOT misquote me, kindly read my POSTS properly, I emphasize that:

1) Tithing is NOT old testament as some claim cos Abraham was NOT a JEW.
2) Tithing or anything in the bible is not by force. It is a choice. Right from Genesis through OLD and NEW testament, God never forced anyone to do anything. The JEWS were NOT forced to tithe as some of you keep emphasizing. We all have FREE WILL.
3) Abraham's tithing was NOT by force. Even the Israelites were NOT FORCED to tithe. Being Born-Again IS NOT BY FORCE. We are FREE SPIRITS.

FINALLY those saying tithe does NOT involve money: Read Deut 14:22-27 (especially verse 25), Mat 23:23.
"Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:" - Deut 14:25

Please do NOT add or remove or deduce falsely from my statements.
If your Pastor forced you to tithe, that is NOT my problem but TITHING is GOOD and so is GIVING TO THE POOR as well as GIVING ALL and so is FIRST FRUIT and so is STAYING UNMARRIED!

Thanks for your comment,but let me clarify this more.
1. I think we misunderstand something here. When we talk of tithe, we view it from two perspectives: tithe as a law and tithe as a free-will offering. Tithe simply means one-tenth. Actually, tithing (giving one-tenth) did not start from the Israelites. People still give one-tenth (tithe) of what they have to God.
Our concern is whether Christians are expected to tithe (give one-tenth) as a law (command) or as a free-will giving. One can decide within oneself to give a tenth (tithe) of one's income to God, if one is led by the Holy Spirit to do so. It is not a command that one must give one-tenth (tithe) of one's possession at a stipulated period of time (every month, week or two weeks). Giving is as one decides in one's heart (whether one-tenth or not). It is not that one must (under a command) give one-tenth of one's income as we see today being preached in churches. So tithing (giving one-tenth) of one's income still exists today but not as a command but a choice.

2. God has given us free-will to obey what he commands us to do or not to obey. He will not force any man to obey his commands. The Israelites were commanded by God (as a law) to tithe according to the laid-down guidelines concerning these tithes. Tithe (as a law) was not just done in one way but in different ways and in different chosen times and places (Deut.14:22-29). All the laws given to Moses were commands from God which the Israelites should keep. It is left for any Israelite to keep them or not, b/c it is not by force, yet a command. Disobedience to such commands attracted punishment from God to the Israelites, including payment of tithes. It was due to their disobedience that God rebuked them in Malachi.

There was no such command (or law) given to Abraham to tithe (give one-tenth) of his possession. As such, no consequence would have come to him if he decided not to give one-tenth of what he had. Abraham could have given less than or more than what he gave. It was of his own choice to give one-tenth and would not be punished even if he did not give at all.

Why do tithers give one-tenth (tithe) of their income at stipulated periods of time? Are they not trying to follow the law as the Israelites did? Free-will offering or giving for Christians is not bound to be one-tenth, but what one decides to give (whether one-tenth or not).
On the otherhand, if one promises God a tenth of one's income at a stipulated time (every month or every two months or every year), such agreement is between the person and God. It is called VOW. it has nothing to do with the one-tenth people are subjected to pay every month in churches today.

RikoduoSennin:
Is "The Lord" a Name, do you know the meaning of a Name?

Figure that out.

Do research! YHWH is the divine name.

Why so much condusion? Some said the Lord's name is Yaweh, others said the name is Jehovah. Keep the confusion to yourselves. I call him by any of the names I know Him for as well as 'my Lord' and He answers me. What I need from Him is answers to my prayers and not whether His true name is Yaweh or Jehovah. Every name God bears has its meaning, including Yaweh or Jehova. None of his names is useless, meaningless or less effective than the others. I rest my case.

5. Are you giving tithe (one-tenth) as a law from God or because you decided willingly to do it?
6. If you do not pay tithe, do you see yourself as a thief (robbing God) and about to be punished by God for not paying it?
7. If one is called a thief as a result of not paying tithe, will one not go to hell?
8. Was Abraham commanded by God to pay tithe, or rather was it compulsory for him to do so?
9. Did Abraham not decide within himself to pay tithes without anybody talking him into doing it?
10. In the law, were the Israelites told to make a choice whether they would pay tithes or not? Was it not compulsory for them?
11. If you do not give up to one-tenth, is there any consequence to it?
12. Was Abraham told that every month, he should pay tithe?
13. Who gave such command that payment of tithes should be every month or every two weeks or anytime you have the tithe?
14. Have you ever read in the OT that the priests manipulated (through words or prayers) the children of Israel to pay tithes when they disobeyed?
15. Did God assign the priests the work of making sure that the Israelites pay tithes as supposed?
16. Did priests not pay tithes to the high priest and not to fellow priests?
17. Who are the priests and who is the high priest now?
18. Was it not once the bible recorded Abraham paying tithe not of his income or profit but of the spoils he got from the war?
And many more questions to ask!

One of my friends told me that witches are not supposed to live. I also understand that whenever people find anyone believed to be a witch, they will quote this passage Exodus 22:18 'Suffer not the witch to live' before praying for the death of the witch or lynching such witch to death. Even some prayer points can be 'Pray for the death of any witch in your family or business' 'Pray that Holy Ghost fire will consume any witch holding your destiny' etc. Please how do people recognise them as witches and is it scriptural in the new testament for Christians to pray for witches to die? Answers please!

bingbagbo:
John 15:26

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: (John 15:26)

SO YOU SEE WHO IS SENDING THE HOLY GHOST?
John 14:13

I [/b]will do anything you ask the Father in my name so that the Father will be given glory because of the Son. 14 If you ask me to do something, I will do it.

John 14:18-19

“I will not leave you all alone. [b]I will come back to you. 19 In a little while the world will no longer see me, but you will see me

JESUS IS THE FATHER (GREATEST MYSTERY)

John 17:9-11
9. I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You (Father) have given Me (Jesus), for they are Yours.
10. And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine and I am glorified in them- how many persons are involved here?
11. Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I (Jesus) come to You, Holy Father. Keep through your name those whom You (Father) have given Me (Jesus), that they may be one as We are one. Does 'We' signify one person or more than one?
Colossians 1:19-20.
19. For it was by God's (Father's) own decision that the Son has in himself the full nature of God.
20. Through the Son, then God (Father) decided to bring the whole universe back to himself. God made peace through his Son's (Jesus') blood on the cross and so brought back to himself all things, both on earth and in heaven.

bingbagbo:
GOD BLESS YOU SISTER FOR THIS TRUTH

TODAY, IT IS UNDENIABLE THAT, THE SO CALLED TRINITARIANS THEMSELVES ARE PRACTICALLY TEACHING ONENESS!!!

GOD IS ONE, JESUS IS GOD

#GODISONEJESUSISGOD

We Christians believe that God is one. My questions are: who was Jesus referring to as the Father during his ministry on earth? Why did he mention the Holy Spirit who he said that the Father would send b/c He (Jesus) goes to the Father? Can you say that Jesus was going to himself and will send himself? It is a mystery! Your doubt about the existence of Trinity does not make it non-existent.

CheKesch:
Please follow along&take note of some words I wrote in capital letters which serves as convincing proof that Christ himself was created by the Only true&All Mighty God...24 When there were no depths, I was BROUGHT FORTH(or created); when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I BROUGHT FORTH:
26 While as yet HE had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27 When HE prepared the heavens, I was there: when HE set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28 When HE established the clouds above: when HE strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29 When HE gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass HIS commandment: when HE appointed the foundations of the earth:
30 Then I was BY him, as one BROUGHT UP with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing.

You got it wrong. Christ Jesus was not created but exists with God. John 1:1-3
1. In the beginning was the Word (Jesus) and the Word was with God (the Father) and the Word was God (as a personality). Note the initial capital letter in 'Word.' this shows a living being. In the beginning means any time that life started or that God existed.
2. He (Jesus) was in the beginning with God (the Father). The scripture did not say that He (Jesus) was created by God before he co-existed with God.
3. All things were made through Him (Jesus), and without Him, nothing was made that was made. This means that Jesus created all things.
Romans 11:36 'For all things were created by Him (Jesus), and all things exist through Him (Jesus) and for Him (Jesus).

RikoduoSennin:
There is a difference between a Title and a name.

God has one Name and Many Titles. His name is Jehovah (Psalm 83:18) or its equivalent in various languages.

P/s can you show me where God says or where it is written that God has one name and others are titles? Have you ever read Psalm 83:18 in different translations in order to have better understanding of the passage?
Psalm 83:18 'That they may know that You, whose name alone is the Lord, Are the Most High over all the earth. (KJV).
'May they know that You alone are the Lord. Supreme ruler over all the earth.' (Goodnews Bible). So this is the only passage you lay your hands on to argue. Go and check other translations and commentaries before you lay claim that God has only one name.
All I am saying is that whichever name you call God and He answers you go on with it.